Time  Nick          Message
23:05 CrispyBran    have a good night all
23:05 CrispyBran    rangi thanks.  I'll have to pick alex's brain on this.  Some of the commands are not recognized.
22:50 rangi         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Resizing_your_devbox
22:49 rangi         2 secs
22:49 rangi         but alexbuckley wrote it all up
22:48 rangi         yeah, its not easy
22:46 CrispyBran    Anyone know how to get more space on the kohadevbox?
22:14 rangi         theres your real problem ;-)
22:14 rangi         ah ha
22:14 CrispyBran    dir
22:14 CrispyBran    Hmmmm.... No space left on device
22:10 CrispyBran    No.  I don't know that one.
22:09 rangi         have you tried a git gc
22:08 CrispyBran    Yes I did.  Trying to figure out how to fix it.
22:06 rangi         did you google the error? sounds like your local repo is a little messed up
22:04 CrispyBran    :/ Okay then.  Back to the drawing board.
22:03 rangi         nope
22:01 CrispyBran    anyone having trouble doing a git pull today?
20:57 kellym        back
18:19 oleonard      I like it
18:19 Joubu         It will be used in conjunction with the didactic tutorial I am writing
18:17 * oleonard    shakes his fist at trailing spaces
18:16 huginn_       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18584 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Our legacy code contains trailing-spaces
18:16 oleonard      Bug 18584 is a good idea Joubu
18:12 CrispyBran    Cannot obtain needed tree blah while processing commit blah.  Seems to think I am processing a commit
18:07 oleonard      Sorry CrispyBran I don't know
18:04 CrispyBran    error: Unable to find 375ee2663ab254ad4bfc5ce4166b02cc6d4b20d9 under http://git.koha-community.org/koha.git
18:03 oleonard      CrispyBran: Did it fail with an error message?
17:57 CrispyBran    what does it mean when I do a git pull and the fetch failed?
17:55 oleonard      Ah never mind oleonard from 2011, you're off the hook. "patronreason" will only display authorized values.
17:53 edveal        LOL So you wern't really interested in the reson why they made the suggestion where you?
17:52 oleonard      I hate that guy, he was the worst.
17:51 oleonard      Luckily git is around to blame ME FROM 2011 :(
17:50 edveal_lunch  oleonard, sounds like backend dev before front end dev. Or just, "oh well,we don't really need their reson"... LOL
17:46 oleonard      Why does the staff client have a means of displaying a suggestion's "patronreason" but the OPAC doesn't have a way for the patron to give it?
16:17 huginn_       CrispyBran: bag was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 29 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <bag> if there is baseball I’m there :P
16:17 CrispyBran    @seen bag
16:02 ashimema      :)
15:51 * Joubu       is going to write a script to automatically fail QA when changes are not covered by tests...
15:47 huginn_       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:47 Joubu         @later tell drojf ping!
15:40 reiveune      bye
14:58 oleonard      When LibraryClaire gets back from reading The Leopard I'll have to ask her how she liked it.
14:49 oleonard      "The Leopard...is considered one of the most important novels in modern Italian literature." Never heard of it. Curse my American public education.
14:48 eythian       It's a horse made of gateau
14:47 * oleonard    would definitely check out the Leopold Museum
14:47 LibraryClaire gattopardo :D
14:46 eythian       ah, good find
14:46 oleonard      #koha comes through
14:45 kidclamp      http://www.retemusealebelicina.it/en/museo-del-gattopardo/
14:45 eythian       oleopold, that is
14:45 eythian       http://www.leopoldmuseum.org/en <-- best I can do, sorry oleopard
14:43 eythian       (with a bit of a Duchlish exhibition name at the moment, of course.)
14:43 oleonard      Where is a museum of all the leopards.
14:41 eythian       http://tassenmuseum.nl/en/ <-- bag, there's a museum for you here.
14:41 huginn_       oleonard: bag was last seen in #koha 16 hours, 53 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <bag> if there is baseball I’m there :P
14:41 oleonard      @seen bag
14:38 CrispyBran    ?
14:38 CrispyBran    bag: are you there/
14:25 oleonard      Yeah I don't know what was going on there.
14:24 Joubu         I do not recreate that
14:21 oleonard      the user and password in <serverinfo id="biblioserver">
14:21 Joubu         I did not read everything carefully, just a quick backlog
14:20 Joubu         oleonard: the zebra db??
14:19 eythian       heh
14:19 wahanui       snacks++
14:19 snacks        hi eythian
14:19 oleonard      snacks++
14:19 eythian       fair enough :)
14:18 mtj           hiya eythian, yeah, is late here.. i just happened to be up, having a little snack :)
14:14 eythian       hi oleopard
14:14 wahanui       oleonard++
14:14 oleonard      hi eythian
14:13 eythian       hi mtj, aren't you up late?
14:12 oleonard      Interesting. But why could they log in as the zebra db user?
14:11 Joubu         oleonard: it sounds like it is the bug sonOfRa described earlier
14:11 huginn_       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18442 critical, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Pushed to Master , Permission error when logging into staff interface as db user
14:11 Joubu         cait, jajm, mtj: bug 18442 should be backported for the next release
14:09 oleonard      sonOfRa still around?
13:57 Joubu         thx
13:56 mtj           hiya Joubu, yep, i do plan to  :0)
13:55 huginn_       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
13:55 Joubu         @later tell mtj: could you take a look at bug 18066? It would be great to have it backported to all stable versions for the next releases
13:48 huginn_       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18066 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Hea - Version 2
13:48 Joubu         mtj: could you take a look at bug 18066? It would be great to have it backported to all stable versions for the next releases
13:26 wahanui       eythian: what?
13:26 eythian       wahanui: you heard me
13:26 wahanui       eythian: excuse me?
13:26 eythian       wahanui feels that people need more positive reinforcement.
13:21 tcohen        hahaha
13:21 wahanui       tcohen++
13:21 tcohen        hi eythian
13:21 eythian       I hope you got the Rijskmuseum cleaned up.
13:19 marcelr       hallo eythian
13:19 eythian       hi tcohen, marcelr
13:06 sonOfRa       Some of the entries may not even be classified with anything, because they might be internal papers, unpublished dissertations, all kinds of things
13:05 marcelr       joking++
13:05 sonOfRa       Hm. Don't see a fast add framework in this instance. Is there a way I can limit this to essentially "Enter a Title, an Author, and an ISBN(if present)", and that's it? I'm afraid the person who will end up adding all these fields will be quite overwhelmed with the many fields
13:05 tcohen        joking
13:05 tcohen        UNIMARC--
13:04 marcelr       assumptions--
13:04 tcohen        marcelr: oops :-D
12:59 sonOfRa       Connection to the library of congress servers fails. Are those only available to american IP addresses, by chance?
12:55 sonOfRa       Fast Add framework also sounds good. I'll look into these things
12:54 sonOfRa       oleonard-away: thanks, that looks helpful
12:53 magnuse       can i do another ncip call in 38 minutes ?
12:52 magnuse       or use the Fast Add framework if you can't import records
12:51 pastebot      "oleonard" at pasted "sonOfRa: Sample Z39.50 server data" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/405
12:50 oleonard      http://zivotdesign.com/p/uploads/big/c3b1125cd27dbdfe818f2cb92cfeab74.png
12:48 sonOfRa       Must've missed that or skipped it
12:48 oleonard      sonOfRa: The installation process should have given you the option of including some sample data
12:47 sonOfRa       The search told me I didn't have any targets to search, I suppose that's because I didn't import any search servers
12:47 sonOfRa       Ah, I haven't seen any sample data. I suppose I can try finding those.
12:47 oleonard      I don't know if you imported all the sample data? Some Z39.50 servers should have been included in that I think
12:46 oleonard      sonOfRa: One good method is to use the Z39.50 search to import existing records which match the titles you have
12:45 oleonard      It's okay most librarians don't either ;)
12:45 sonOfRa       I don't even know what half these fields *mean*
12:45 sonOfRa       I'm completely ignorant of how *professional* libraries are managed, but is there a simpler UI to add new books (or other records) than the rather complicated-looking UI under the Cataloguing menu?
12:39 tcohen        hola #koha
12:34 sonOfRa       Yeah. Might have to set that up properly, because currently we only have starttls set up, I believe (which connects to the ldap:// port, but then upgrades to TLS)
12:34 sonOfRa       Great
12:34 ashimema      ldaps:// I beleive from memory
12:34 ashimema      host can include protocol
12:33 sonOfRa       It seems to take just an LDAP host, but no protocol specifier
12:33 sonOfRa       https://perldoc.koha-community.org/C4/Auth_with_ldap.html hmmm, do you happen to know if this supports TLS to connect to LDAP?
12:30 sonOfRa       Yeah, I just gave myself superlibrarian status, going to play around with adding books and people now.
12:29 oleonard      Of course you don't need to be a "superlibrarian" to do day to day operations.
12:29 oleonard      And by "work with" I mean "test"
12:29 oleonard      As long as you at least have an account with "superlibrarian" permissions you have the minimum required to work with the staff client.
12:28 oleonard      You'd only need more than one account if you wanted to test how the different permissions work
12:27 oleonard      You can borrow books as a staff member
12:27 sonOfRa       Is it generally recommended to have 2 accounts for a user who is both a staff member *and* a patron who can borrow books? Or can I safely borrow books as a staff member?
12:24 sonOfRa       Now it's telling me to create a user, library, patron types etc. Excellent
12:23 sonOfRa       Yep
12:22 oleonard      But you're in?
12:22 oleonard      I wouldn't have expected the <serverinfo> credentials to work.
12:20 sonOfRa       I suppose the one in <config> is the password for the mysql-user to access the database.
12:20 sonOfRa       Aha, it works with the *other* password, listed under <serverinfo> rather than <config>
12:19 sonOfRa       Verified the credentials in the koha.xml file: https://slevermann.de/public/koha-creds.png (don't worry, the instance isn't publicly reachable, the passwords visible in the screenshot won't help anyone)
12:18 oleonard      Okay, so at this point you will only have the database user available to log in. So my suggestion above should work.
12:17 sonOfRa       koha-common/stable,now 16.11.06.
12:15 oleonard      sonOfRa: What version did you install?
12:14 oleonard      In the <config> section look for <user> and <pass>
12:13 oleonard      sonOfRa: You should be able to confirm the correct credentials by looking at koha-conf.xml
12:10 sonOfRa       https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian#Create_a_Koha_instance I followed this guide
12:10 sonOfRa       So, I got a test instance up and running, and clicked my way through the web setup wizard. After it was done, it proceeded to log me out. Now I can't log back in, the data I used for logging in when starting the wizard is rejected
11:49 oleonard      Hi all
11:44 eythian       np
11:44 sonOfRa       Well, I'll get to installing a test instance and see if any questions arise in the process. Thanks!
11:43 wahanui       sonofra: wish i knew
11:43 sonOfRa       wahanui: do you pass the turing test?
11:43 wahanui       That'll be NOK 10 for the awesome jar, sonOfRa
11:43 sonOfRa       Awesome.
11:41 eythian       It'll do a whole lot more too, but whether you use that is up to you.
11:41 eythian       sonOfRa: because everyone else seems to be at lunch or something, the short answer is "yes"
11:33 sonOfRa       Things that would be nice: LDAP user management (as far as I can tell, koha is capable of this), and LaTeX exports of citations
11:33 sonOfRa       Would koha be suitable for this? I don't have any strict requirements like deadlines etc, the only reason for the installation would be a "who has which book" registry
11:32 sonOfRa       Hello Folks. I'm currently looking for a solution to manage our institute's library (around 4000 books). Currently there is no real management system. There's a "wikindx" instance, which just lists what books should be *theoretically* available, but it has no facilities to manage books that are currently in the hands of a certain user.
10:10 jajm          hi :)
10:09 cait          jajm++
09:58 * cait        waves+
09:58 fridolin      hie tehre
08:55 eythian       hi LibraryClaire, hi cait
08:54 cait          hello eythian
08:49 LibraryClaire ^^
08:49 wahanui       LibraryClaire++
08:49 LibraryClaire hi eythian
08:48 eythian       hi
08:41 cait          seems germany is in the lead with Koha jobs :)
08:38 ashimema      koha-jobs is a new one on me
08:08 * magnuse     moved the old jobs to old jobs
08:06 cait          https://magnusenger.github.io/koha-jobs/ for the logs .)
08:05 cait          i think the other jobs can be moved to archive
08:05 cait          magnuse++
08:01 magnuse       if i can remember how to edit it...
08:01 cait          hi josef_moravec and marcelr
08:00 marcelr       hi cait magnuse
08:00 cait          [off] is the koha jobs site still alive? this woudl fit: https://www.uni-jena.de/Universit%C3%A4t/Stellenmarkt/Verwaltung+und+Technisches+Personal/115_2017+_+Systembibliothekar_in+an+der+Th%C3%BCringer+Universit%C3%A4ts_+und+Landesbibliothek.html
08:00 magnuse       yup
08:00 josef_moravec hello cait
08:00 cait          magnuse: around?
08:00 cait          morning #koha
07:53 marcelr       o/
07:53 josef_moravec hi marcelr
07:46 marcelr       hi #koha
06:26 wahanui       bidet, reiveune
06:26 reiveune      hello
06:13 * dcook       breaks everything
06:13 huginn_       dcook: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Add a Linked Data/RDF browser to the OPAC
06:13 huginn_       dcook: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Add "Save as RDF" option to the OPAC
06:13 huginn_       dcook: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10787 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Linked Data/RDF Omnibus
06:13 dcook         @query rdf
06:13 dcook         Right
06:13 huginn_       dcook: There were no matching configuration variables.
06:13 dcook         @search rdf
06:13 dcook         Hmm
06:07 dcook         Or heya like I do when I'm feeling extra casual
06:07 dcook         I think we just say "hey"
06:07 * dcook       ponders
06:07 dcook         As for Canadians..
06:07 dcook         Mmm g'day is traditional for Australians I think
06:06 magnuse       or a canadian-australian one?
06:06 magnuse       is there a typical australian greeting?
06:06 magnuse       howdy dcook
06:05 dcook         heya magnuse
06:04 * magnuse     waves
05:43 huginn_       dcook: The operation succeeded.
05:43 dcook         @later tell fredericd I recall you having an interest in RDF? Let me know if you're still interested. I'm doing some work with magnuse on this topic.
05:28 dcook         Same maintainer does libmarc-record-perl apparently...
05:26 dcook         But I don't think anyone ever answered or updated the package..
05:26 dcook         I know eythian raised an issue on Zebra 2.0.59 with https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777515
05:25 dcook         Hmm trying to remember how to get Debian to update their packages..
05:25 * dcook       waves to folk
05:17 josef_moravec morning #koha
04:44 dcook         Ahh I forgot that fredericd was interested in RDF...
04:31 dcook         Whatever. I'll chat to drojf about it.
04:30 dcook         Hmm ancient version though maybe
04:30 dcook         It is in Debian though..
04:30 dcook         Attean might be an alternative to RDF::Trine but it has a lot of dependencies...
03:51 dcook         Although my latest patch makes it work :D
03:51 dcook         Oh man... bulk ops must never have worked with RDF::Trine::Store::SPARQL..
03:43 dcook         If we do use RDF::Trine, that means we'll have to roll a newer version ourselves... I think this has come up before..
03:34 jmsasse       Koha, I bid you adieu. A bientot.
03:22 dcook         Hmm maybe drojf will be on tonight..
03:20 jmsasse       They do it for dental work, maybe they'll start for long flights:)
03:20 jmsasse       Complete sedation from start to finish would be for me.
03:19 jmsasse       Tall as well, so scrunched too.
03:18 jmsasse       I'm not able to sleep in public and am a bit claustrophobic.
03:17 wizzyrea      you feel excited because there are only 4 more hours, watch a few movies
03:17 dcook         Mind you, they slept 7.5/15 hours, so that wasn't so bad
03:17 wizzyrea      wake up, they feed you
03:17 wizzyrea      you eat it, go to sleep
03:17 dcook         I had a 10 month old baby on the last one
03:17 wizzyrea      you get on, they give you food
03:17 dcook         I don't even mind the long ones so much
03:17 wizzyrea      long ones anyway
03:17 wizzyrea      plane rides aren't so bad, basically think of it like a really uncomfortable sleepover.
03:16 dcook         Hmm looks like the RDF::Trine in Jessie is buggy...
03:15 BobB          will do, thx
03:15 BobB          two weeks! crikey
03:15 jmsasse       Thanks, Bob. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you in August.
03:14 jmsasse       I go for the aisle too.
03:14 BobB          anyhoo, customers waiting, will keep you updated jsasse
03:13 dcook         BobB: That's old news. I think he got released today after two weeks in prison :).
03:13 jmsasse       Aussie, I believe. Claims back injury, etc.
03:13 BobB          i always try to get an aisle seat, so at least can escape for a while
03:13 jmsasse       I saw that a person is suing an airline for being stuck between two obese people on a flight from Austrailia to US
03:12 BobB          Immigration people are never friendly, now it seems they have license to be even more overbearing
03:11 jmsasse       That's a good question..
03:11 BobB          today we heard of an aussie guy got detained for overstaying his visa 90 minutes
03:11 BobB          yeah is it still safe to come to US?
03:10 jmsasse       With all the incidents on US airlines lately, that may not be the best idea
03:10 BobB          though I avoid it, dehydrating
03:09 BobB          alcohol works :)
03:09 BobB          well its never fun, its just to be endured, for a purpose
03:09 jmsasse       I would need to be be sedated.
03:09 jmsasse       BobB: I envy your ability to be on a plane that long.
03:09 BobB          joel I'll let you know when we decide ok?
03:08 dcook         Then librdf-trine-perl_1.011-2.debian.tar.xz will contain any patches that maintainers have made?
03:08 dcook         So librdf-trine-perl_1.011.orig.tar.gz contains the original original source...
03:07 BobB          QF put LA on sale yesterday, but yeah, still spendy
03:07 wizzyrea      yeah
03:07 BobB          are they in Kansas?
03:06 wizzyrea      which is spendy :/
03:06 wizzyrea      but they require me to bring the cuddle to them
03:06 jmsasse       :)
03:06 BobB          aw wizz
03:06 wizzyrea      i wish my parents would have the "overdue for a cuddle" feeling
03:06 dcook         Actually, maybe I'll just poke around
03:06 dcook         rangi: Are you still around? I'm sure you'd know the answer..
03:05 BobB          and #2 is due in Oct
03:05 dcook         Hmm where's eythian when you need him
03:05 BobB          #1 is 18mths old now and we are overdue for a cuddle
03:05 jmsasse       Congrats on your grandchild :)
03:05 BobB          so fingers crossed, but will have to see
03:05 BobB          irma has family in Seattle area too
03:04 BobB          we'd love to come
03:04 BobB          cool
03:04 jmsasse       Yes, I will.
03:04 jmsasse       It would be a treat to see you and Irma again.
03:04 BobB          will you be in Idaho jsaasse?
03:03 BobB          we will be going to LA in October to meet a new grandchild, all being well :)
03:03 BobB          still hoping to, but its not looking completely positive
03:03 BobB          hmmm
03:02 jmsasse       Coming to the States this August?
03:02 BobB          hey
03:01 jmsasse       BobB: yes I am.
03:01 BobB          hi jmsasse still about?
03:00 wizzyrea      Sid, that sounds right
02:59 jmsasse       Not sure if they have a codename for it yet.
02:59 jmsasse       I switched from Jessie to Deb 9 testing, SId I think.
02:58 wizzyrea      and whatever the next one is
02:58 wizzyrea      not squeeze, wheezy is getting close to going out
02:58 dcook         Probably Jessie and Wheezy
02:58 dcook         Jessie and Wheezy or just Jessie?
02:58 dcook         What versions of Debian are we supporting again?
02:54 jmsasse       Nah, I remember.
02:52 dcook         Or good Googling :p
02:52 dcook         Yep. Good memory.
02:50 jmsasse       I think Canadians are safe. Yoour from Regina,right dcook?
02:50 dcook         Right timezone so I could follow along I'm sure from the library or something
02:50 dcook         hehe
02:49 wizzyrea      but don't try to take your laptop :P
02:48 wizzyrea      you could go to vancouver and wave to kohacon
02:48 dcook         Oregon, eh? That's Pacific Northwest enough to basically be its own country. Maybe I could come to that.
02:32 jmsasse       It really startled me. Installing Win10 virtual machine and bam!, there she was
02:31 wizzyrea      super creepy when that happens
02:31 jmsasse       OMG, Windows Cortana is talking to me!
02:29 jmsasse       Koha-US will be in Idaho this year. Everyone seems to favor the west.
02:27 wizzyrea      :(
02:25 jmsasse       If there's anything left of America then...:(
02:24 jmsasse       Coming up on 4 years this Oct.
02:24 wizzyrea      has it really been 3 years since there was one in the US?
02:24 jmsasse       :)
02:20 jmsasse       It'll be nice to catch up with all of you overseas folks again.
02:18 rangi         cool
02:17 jmsasse       I heard today a system in Oregon is putting a bid to host KohaCon next year.
02:15 rangi         hey again :)
02:07 jmsasse       rangi: Howdy again
02:04 wizzyrea      doin good :)
02:04 jmsasse       How are you and the hubby?
02:01 jmsasse       Yeah, I'm looking to improve my lot in life.
02:00 wizzyrea      oh that's fun, the certs, not the ticking.
02:00 jmsasse       Well...
02:00 jmsasse       Studying for Linux+ and LPIC-1 certs
01:59 wizzyrea      hopefully not ticking you off ;)
01:59 jmsasse       Yes, ticking is a good way to describe things
01:58 * wizzyrea    guesses that means that the library is doing well and things are ticking along
01:58 jmsasse       Yes, I've heard of a few in the news.
01:58 wizzyrea      (because we have earthquakes ya? :))
01:58 jmsasse       Same old, same old.
01:57 wizzyrea      how about you?
01:57 jmsasse       Good to hear.
01:57 wizzyrea      thankfully not wellington :)
01:57 jmsasse       What's shaking?
01:56 jmsasse       hi wizzyrea.
01:56 wizzyrea      hi jmsasse
01:56 jmsasse       BobB: Hello. How goes it in Sydney?
01:42 jmsasse       Almost too quiet...
01:42 jmsasse       Pretty quiet around these parts today.