Time Nick Message 06:02 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha 06:22 oha o/ 06:41 * magnuse waves 06:43 reiveune hello 06:43 wahanui bidet, reiveune 06:52 alex_a hello 06:52 wahanui niihau, alex_a 06:56 LibraryClaire morning #koha 07:12 * mveron waves 07:17 alexbuckley_ Hi mveron. Bug 18462 should apply properly now 07:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Implemented bootstrap styling on the web installer and onboarding tool 07:20 mveron Good morning / daytime alexbuckley. I will try to find time for it in the afternoon. 07:20 alexbuckley_ thanks 07:22 magnuse alexbuckley++ mveron++ 07:22 magnuse the national library keeps a database of all libraries in norway 07:23 magnuse including a username/password that they can use to log into every ill-enabled opac 07:23 magnuse and the urls for nncipp endpoints 07:23 magnuse i did a script for importing the data 07:23 magnuse https://github.com/digibib/bb2koha 07:23 magnuse we'll get to that in a bit 07:24 * magnuse adds it to the NNCIPP wiki page 07:34 gaetan_B hello 07:34 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B 07:37 oha magnuse++ 07:39 oha is there a way in TT to do something like: [% USE dumper; Dumper.dump(THE_WHOLE_STASH) %] 07:51 fridolin hie there 08:00 ashimema . 08:25 magnuse oha: [% USE Dumper %] <pre>[% Dumper.dump_html( somevar ) %]</pre> 08:26 magnuse or [% USE Dumper %] [% Dumper.dump(somevar) %] 08:41 oha magnuse: yeah, the question is how to dump the WHOLE stash 08:42 oha or you will have to guess what's in there 08:42 magnuse ah 08:43 magnuse so it's more a question of how to access the whole stash? 08:43 oha yep 08:47 magnuse oha: seen http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=641731 and http://mail.template-toolkit.org/pipermail/templates/2001-February/000617.html ? 08:47 wahanui I haven't seen 'http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=641731', magnuse 08:51 oha magnuse: the empty key trick doesn't seem to work 08:52 oha and switching to Template::Alloy might be a good idea on the long run, but a bit too much :) 08:54 oha i will live without it 09:06 alexbuckley_ If someone has time could they please test bug 18438, and let me know if they believe I have solved the issue Jonathan identified in comment 9? I'd be keen to hear a second opinion 09:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18438 major, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Failed QA , Check in: Modal about holds hides important check in messages 09:45 cait Joubu++ # what's on ... 10:25 nlegrand Hey. 10:27 magnuse hiya nlegrand 10:35 nlegrand o/ magnuse 11:24 tcohen morning 11:35 magnuse hiya tcohen and petter 11:38 petter hei! 11:40 tcohen hola magnuse petter 11:41 magnuse it's fun to stay at the O-P-L! 11:41 oleonard Hi all 11:42 eythian hi oleonard 11:42 wahanui hi oleopard 11:50 oleonard Dev meeting in 1hr 10 minutes? 11:51 tcohen 1 hr and 10 min? 11:54 LibraryClaire erk, forgot about the clock change 11:54 oleonard https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+Developers+IRC+Meeting&iso=20170426T13 11:54 oleonard Hi LibraryClaire 11:55 tcohen mi clock says 8:55 and the timeanddate site says it is at 10 11:55 LibraryClaire hi oleonard 11:55 wahanui hi oleopard 11:57 oleonard My clock says 7:56 and the timeaddate site says it is at 9 11:57 oleonard :P 11:57 kidclamp oh, i thought meeting was at now, but it is now+1hr 11:57 LibraryClaire I thought the same kidclamp 11:57 * LibraryClaire goes back to sleep 11:57 * kidclamp powers down 11:58 * oleonard disengages phasers 11:58 tcohen hi kidclamp 11:59 kidclamp oleonard is apparently prepared for making controversial changes at the meeting 11:59 * magnuse shakes his fist at timt 11:59 kidclamp hi tco 11:59 kidclamp heh, have to hit tab, not just think it 11:59 tcohen hahah 12:00 tcohen Joubu: I think we should use a granade on Auth.pm instead 12:00 tcohen *grenade* 12:00 oleonard tab-completion should work on any word you're thinking. 12:01 tcohen oleonard: you need to first enable QueryOrNotAutoTruncation 12:39 oha tcohen: Auth.pm? :) 12:39 cait1 Auth.pm? 12:39 wahanui well, Auth.pm is second to search.pm in terribleness :) 12:40 oha wahanui: you see... there is worse! 12:40 wahanui OK, oha. 12:40 tcohen oha: hi 12:40 oleonard you see... there? 12:40 wahanui you see... there is worse! 12:41 oha i shouldn't have done that, i see it now 12:41 * oleonard uses grenadine on Auth.pm 12:41 oha tcohen: btw... speaking about Auth.pm, do you know i started refactoring it, right? 12:41 tcohen yes 12:42 oha so go ahead, nuke it :) i need some pressure 12:42 oleonard wahanui: forget you see... there 12:42 wahanui oleonard: I forgot you see... there 12:43 tcohen oha: when are you finishing the refactoring? :_Dç 12:43 oha it is working for us, but i need help on CAS/shib et all for testing 12:44 oha in the meanwhile i change focus, working on ILL 12:44 oha changed* 12:45 tcohen oha++ 12:45 magnuse s/timt/time/ 12:46 magnuse oha++ 12:58 Joubu oha: maybe the 2 prefs DumpTemplateVars* 13:00 cait1 meeting time? 13:00 wahanui mmm meat 13:00 kidclamp eating time? 13:01 Joubu morning time 13:01 atheia Wheeeeee! I'm on time for the meeting! 13:01 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017 13:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Apr 26 13:01:41 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:01 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_april_2017' 13:01 kidclamp #topic Introductions 13:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 13:02 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions, USA 13:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 13:02 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 13:02 atheia #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe, Belgium 13:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 13:02 caboose #info, Michael Cabus, ByWater Solutions, USA (Princeton NJ) 13:03 oha should i do the same? :) 13:04 Joubu yes 13:04 kidclamp yes please oha 13:04 Joubu jajm: around? 13:04 LibraryClaire #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany 13:04 oha #info Francesco Rivetti 13:04 jajm Joubu, yep 13:04 jajm #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre 13:05 mveron #info Marc Véron, Koha Support Schweiz, www.koha-support.ch 13:05 Joubu alex_a, blou, fridolin1, francharb, LibraryClaire, nlegrand? 13:05 petter #info Petter G. Åsen, Oslo public library 13:05 Joubu fredericd:? 13:05 LibraryClaire ^ 13:05 Joubu I am going to create a list of people to ping 5min before the min... 13:05 Joubu LibraryClaire: Hi! :) 13:05 LibraryClaire hi ;) 13:06 alex_a #info Alex Arnaud, Biblibre 13:06 kidclamp Joubu: we (bywater) all have alerts set for groups, heydevs, heysales, etc - maybe we could have people opt in for shouts in here? 13:06 NateC you rang? 13:06 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 13:07 jajm Joubu, an automatic ping before the meetings would be great :) I add an alert to google calendar, but that's not enough 13:07 Joubu kidclamp: may work yes 13:07 kidclamp #topic Announcements 13:07 cait1 maybe a claendar one could subscribe to? 13:08 cait1 not sure where we could put it, but it might help 13:09 kidclamp can huginn or wahanui be set to ping us on a schedule? 13:09 tcohen #info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 13:09 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Municipal library Usti nad Orlici 13:09 kidclamp full house 13:09 kidclamp any announcements from anyone? 13:10 tcohen Elasticsearch in Kohadevbox 13:10 Joubu I may submit a RM proposal in the next few days 13:10 tcohen #info Elasticsearch 1.x support in kohadevbox has been removed, and the default it is now to install ES 5.x 13:11 oleonard Joubu++ 13:11 kidclamp bug 18434 13:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18434 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Elasticsearch indexing broken with newer catmandu version 13:11 magnuse tcohen++ 13:11 kidclamp #info Jonathan is working on a RM proposal 13:12 cait1 Joubu++ 13:12 atheia Joubu++ 13:12 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville KY 13:12 oha RM? 13:12 wahanui RM is jcamins 13:12 atheia oha: Release Manager 13:12 wahanui Release Manager is probably at KohaCon 13:12 kidclamp RM= Release Manager 13:12 oha of course 13:13 kidclamp moving on 13:13 kidclamp #topic Update from the Release manager (17.05) 13:13 oleonard wahanui: forget RM 13:13 wahanui oleonard: I forgot rm 13:14 kidclamp khall is not here - he plans to push all pqa enhancements before the slush so get those in now 13:14 kidclamp he sent out dates in his email and Joubu repeated 13:14 kidclamp May 5 - Feature Slush 13:14 kidclamp May 12 - Feature Freeze, String Freeze, 1st Draft of Release Notes 13:14 kidclamp May 19 - Release Beta, 2nd Draft of Release Notes 13:14 kidclamp May 26 - Final Release 13:14 kidclamp May 27 - Champagne! 13:15 kidclamp any comments? 13:15 ashimema Champagne on my Birthday... bonus ;) 13:15 Joubu I will certainly s/Champagne/Beers/ 13:16 oleonard Maybe if you were old enough ashimema 13:16 cait1 forget RM 13:16 atheia So… we would really love to get stockrotation in this release, but that obviously depends on QA being good on it. 13:16 ashimema haha 13:16 atheia If we get it Signed Off before Feature Slush might that still work? what does community think? Not sure about the deadlines and what they mean? 13:17 Joubu nothing matching "stock" in the NQA queue 13:17 Joubu bug#? 13:17 francharb #info francharb, inlibro 13:17 francharb thanks Joubu for the reminder 13:17 atheia 11897 Joubu 13:17 Joubu atheia: I explained what means the deadling in my email from yesterday 13:17 Joubu bug 11897 13:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Failed QA , Stock Rotation for Koha 13:18 atheia Sorry — I must have missed that email somehow! (I blame my terrible cold!) 13:18 kidclamp moving on 13:18 kidclamp #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 13:19 kidclamp cait, jajm, mtj 13:19 cait1 ah sorry 13:19 cait1 ok, release 16.11.07 is done 13:19 jajm the next 3.22.x (3.22.21) release will probably be the last 13:19 cait1 makes sense 13:20 cait1 16.11.08 is planned for 22nd again, with string freeze a week before 13:20 oleonard jajm++ 13:20 oleonard cait1++ 13:20 cait1 i plan to push Hea2 patches soon 13:20 Joubu jajm: would be great to have hea v2 in it then 13:20 cait1 some tests on Jenkins are failing - still need some help with that 13:21 kidclamp #info 3.22.21 will be final 3.22 release 13:21 kidclamp #info 16.11.08 is planned for release on the 22nd 13:21 kidclamp #info hea2 is being considered for both 13:21 tcohen1 Joubu++ 13:21 jajm Joubu, ok 13:22 cait1 https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_16.11.x_D8/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ 13:22 cait1 #link https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_16.11.x_D8/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ failing tests on Jenkins for 16.11.x 13:22 kidclamp anything else? 13:22 wahanui anything else is, like, just being crap 13:23 oleonard wahanui you are full of sass 13:23 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot...|rumoured to be a sentient bot with sass|<reply> an extremely creepy stalker bot.... you have been warned|a parrot|<reply> wrong|<reply> on fire|<reply> gaining knowledge faster than sustainable|canadian|google|<reply> wahanui couldn't be bothered to show up|laser kiwi of the bo 13:23 kidclamp moving on :-) 13:23 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team 13:23 kidclamp Joubu sent a good summary of things yesterday, please read his email 13:24 cait1 Joubu++ 13:24 kidclamp #info read 'what's on in koha-devel 12' for a good update 13:24 barton Joubu++ 13:25 kidclamp I still owe an email or wiki page on elastic and am working on that 13:26 atheia joubu++ 13:26 cait1 kidclamp++ 13:26 kidclamp but as tcohen mentioned it 5.x is built into kohadevbox and please ask if you have any troubles getting it going 13:26 ashimema Joubu++ 13:26 kidclamp #action kidclamp is working on a summary/update of ES work 13:27 kidclamp #info atheia asks for SO/QA to look at bug 11897 13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Failed QA , Stock Rotation for Koha 13:28 kidclamp we have 1 critical and 5 majors in the NQA queue 13:28 kidclamp anyone interested in joinin QA for the next release shoudl submit their names - there is plenty of low hanging fruit to train on 13:28 kidclamp so don't be afraid 13:29 kidclamp #info interested members please submit their names for QA for next release 13:29 kidclamp anything to add joubu, jajm, ashimema marcelr, tcohen , fridolin1 13:30 ashimema think you've nicely covered it there.. we need as much help as we can get 13:30 tcohen I'd like to add 13:30 tcohen that there are lots of REST api implementing bugs 13:31 ashimema also, don't feel afraid about not having enough time.. anything you can fit in helps 13:31 tcohen that lack QA for a lot of time 13:31 Joubu 5 people is not enough :) 13:31 tcohen I volunteer to help, but please bug owners, answer the questions! 13:32 kidclamp and signing off on QA teams patches (or offering cookies) is a good way to get your patches looked at :-) 13:32 ashimema many hands and all that 13:32 caboose I really want to do more QA so I can help 13:32 caboose *newbie, but wanting to be more skilled 13:33 kidclamp SO is also a really good place to start 13:33 wahanui okay, kidclamp. 13:33 kidclamp bah 13:33 * ashimema is always happy to try and help upskill people so that's another 13:33 Joubu kidclamp: it is the definition of corruption, right? :) 13:34 * barton may take ashimema up on that :-) 13:34 ashimema so yeah.. don't fell put off.. instead if your not confident about something just ask someone.. 13:34 kidclamp #info the QA team wants to help you learn - so ask us questions and get involved 13:35 * ashimema knows he's been crap of late.. but I will always try to get back to people eventually ;) 13:35 ashimema :) 13:35 kidclamp ashimema++ 13:35 barton I was thinking that maybe we could have a signoff-fest or something... 13:35 kidclamp wahanui: so 13:35 wahanui i think so is a really good place to start 13:35 barton a bit like a GBSD, but for sign offs. 13:35 kidclamp wahanui forget so 13:35 wahanui kidclamp: I forgot so 13:35 kidclamp GBSD is for sign offs :-) 13:36 fridolin1 sorry im underwarter 13:36 barton oh. 13:36 barton well. 13:36 kidclamp fridolin1 (blub blub) 13:36 barton shows you what I know ;-) 13:36 Joubu I think GBSD for bugfixes only, before the release would be great 13:36 ashimema +1 on that 13:37 barton I'm game :-) 13:37 kidclamp may 10th? same as next dev meeting? 13:37 caboose I'm game too! 13:37 kidclamp since we should all be around then? 13:37 atheia Yeah, cool idea! 13:37 ashimema works for me 13:37 cait1 is it not too late? 13:37 kidclamp if we just do bugs and not enhancments 13:38 cait1 ah ok 13:38 kidclamp and is early for next release 13:38 ashimema indeed.. make is 'bug only' then it should be solid 13:39 kidclamp #action GBSD - bugs only edition - May 10th to clean up for 17.05 release 13:39 Joubu There are not much bugs with patches attached, should be easy to make all them moved forward 13:39 cait1 kidclamp++ :) 13:40 kidclamp if there aren't enough maybe devs can patch some more :-) 13:40 Joubu count on me for that :p 13:40 cait1 would people be interested to have a doc writing event after the release? 13:40 Joubu I am going to focus on bugfixes for the next 2 weeks 13:41 kidclamp okay, I think we bled into next topic too 13:41 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 13:41 kidclamp #info Joubu is working on bug fixes for next two weeks, help is appreciated 13:41 francharb cait1, good idea! 13:41 atheia cait1: I think that's a good idea too. 13:41 kidclamp cait++ 13:41 ashimema cait1++ 13:42 * cait1 wrote herself a reminder about that 13:42 ashimema I was thinking similar.. 13:42 * ashimema still has some shibboleth docs to write :( 13:42 * magnuse has to leave 13:42 kidclamp #action cait wants to schedule a doc writing fest after GBSD 13:43 kidclamp #action cait wants to schedule a doc writing fest after the release that is 13:43 tcohen Joubu++ 13:43 kidclamp any more topics? dont want to keep us all too long - there is a release on the way! 13:43 cait1 heh 13:44 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines 13:44 oha we have needs to have a system to execute background jobs 13:44 oha and i know Joubu will need something as well like that 13:44 oha not sure if this is the right moment/place to talk about it tho 13:44 Joubu oha: I sent an email to dcook yesterday, he announced something about that 2 months ago 13:44 Joubu I'd like to know if he has something on the grill to submit 13:45 Joubu or if we should start our own from scratch 13:45 oha ok, count me in if in case 13:45 * ashimema uses Minion for background tasks.. fits lovely with Mojo 13:46 kidclamp #info joubu and oha looking at background jobs, trying to coordinate with dcook in case he has begun work 13:46 Joubu ashimema: any pointers are welcome 13:46 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL17:_Unit_tests_are_required guideline_proposal1 13:46 * ashimema willl go dig out the email and reply there 13:47 Joubu oha: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2017-April/043671.html 13:47 oha Joubu: thanks. ashimema great! 13:47 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL26:_Koha::Exceptions guideline_proposal2 13:48 kidclamp marcelr is not around, but does anyone have comments or questions on these? 13:48 * ashimema is quickly reading those two 13:48 Joubu yes, something 13:48 wahanui something is fishy 13:49 ashimema I'm deffo happy with the first one 13:49 Joubu I am rewriting stuffs, and moving them to Koha, right? 13:49 Joubu I think that everybody is aware of that 13:49 kidclamp if you say so :-) 13:49 Joubu I submit tests when I move stuffs 13:49 Joubu so I do not think it is necessary to have people working on writing tests for C4 13:49 Joubu just signoff my patches... 13:50 kidclamp hmm..but if they add to C4 does it not help you to have existing tests when moving? 13:50 cait1 hm even when something i changed in C4? 13:50 kidclamp I mean, I am happy to write less tests :-) 13:50 ashimema also happy with the move to Exceptions 13:50 josef_moravec Joubu++ that does make sense 13:50 * oha must go :( 13:50 cait1 ideally we shouldn't do that, but there might be bug fixes etc. with regression tests 13:50 Joubu maybe I did not understand what the guidelines says 13:51 kidclamp I think it's a good guideline with room for judgement calls on testing old code? 13:51 cait1 always feel better when there are tests when i push holds stuff for example :) 13:51 Joubu someone to resume? 13:51 ashimema I think it's mostly covered by `as well as for changes to existing routines (perhaps excluding very trivial edits)` 13:51 kidclamp i.e. if someone doesn't add tests to C4 QA can judge whether to pass or fail 13:51 cait1 Unit tests must be provided for *ALL* new routines in modules, as well as for changes to existing routines ... 13:51 Joubu yes but... that is already the case for years now :) 13:52 Joubu ok, so nothing new. We are just writing down something that was missing 13:52 ashimema it's just good to have it in writing :) 13:52 cait1 yep 13:52 ashimema yup 13:52 ashimema pretty much 13:52 kidclamp yup 13:52 Joubu ok sorry then :) 13:52 cait1 good for new people and also to back up qa etc 13:53 * ashimema would also be tempted to somehow try and encourage documentation submissions along with the code submissions. 13:53 kidclamp #startvote Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL17? Yes,No 13:53 huginn` Begin voting on: Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL17? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 13:53 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 13:53 kidclamp #vote Yes 13:53 tcohen #vote Yes 13:53 ashimema sometimes I spend half the time QA'ing somthing trying to get my head around what it's actually meant to do.. it would really help everyone if new features had full documentation submitted as part of the bug 13:53 cait1 #vote Yes 13:53 Joubu #vote yes 13:53 barton #vote Yes 13:53 ashimema #vote Yes 13:54 atheia #vote Yes 13:54 mveron #vote Yes 13:54 josef_moravec #vote Yes 13:54 cait1 ashimema: ideally the test plans should help - but having help pages/manual patches would be great too 13:54 kidclamp glast call 13:54 atheia ashimema: if so, where would we stick the documentation? Because there is a separate process for koha docs submission no? 13:54 barton documentation++ 13:54 kidclamp #endvote 13:54 huginn` Voted on "Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL17?" Results are 13:54 huginn` Yes (9): Joubu, cait1, josef_moravec, ashimema, atheia, barton, kidclamp, tcohen, mveron 13:55 kidclamp discussion on PERL26? 13:55 ashimema yeah.. test plans certainly help.. but sometimes it's more involved understanding the background of how to setup the test than it is to just run through the actual bit of the plan.. 13:55 ashimema PERL26++ from me 13:55 cait we got a bit of a backlog with documenation right now - will have to catch up 13:55 ashimema indeed.. that's kinda my point cait ;) 13:55 cait I know :) 13:56 cait maybe soething for a meeting with rangi around 13:56 cait to see how we could make it work workflow-wise 13:56 atheia cait++ 13:56 kidclamp #startvote Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL26? Yes,No 13:56 * ashimema is generally trying to encourage documentation submissions with new work at ptfs-e these days 13:56 huginn` Begin voting on: Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL26? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 13:56 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 13:56 Joubu we need an example module for exception. We do not have much things using it pushed 13:56 atheia #vote Yes 13:56 Joubu #vote yes 13:56 ashimema #vote Yes 13:56 kidclamp #vote Yes 13:56 josef_moravec #vote yes 13:56 atheia The guideline suggests an example no? 13:56 barton #vote Yes 13:56 tcohen #vote Yes 13:56 cait #vote yes 13:56 atheia (I didn't look at the example yet though) 13:57 kidclamp last call 13:57 kidclamp #endvote 13:57 huginn` Voted on "Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL26?" Results are 13:57 huginn` Yes (8): Joubu, cait, josef_moravec, ashimema, atheia, barton, kidclamp, tcohen 13:57 kidclamp #info as people work on exceptions please add best examples to PERL26 13:57 Joubu there is no guideline for logging 13:58 Joubu atheia: yes indeed but the example is not the perfect example :) 13:58 Joubu and would be good to have a small piece of code on the wiki, instead of refering to the codebase 13:58 atheia Yeah, fair enough, that sounds sensible. 13:59 kidclamp #action marcelr please provide a code snippet for PERL26 if you have one :-) 13:59 kidclamp #topic Set time of next meeting 13:59 * ashimema is slightly upset that there's no POD in Koha::Exceptions :( 14:00 ashimema even if it just told you to go read the POD on Exception::Class 14:00 atheia Hey… should we be talking about the gender neutral language guideline proposal? 14:00 cait hm 14:00 cait https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ 14:00 cait are we missing the newer versions there? 14:00 atheia Or is that somehow out of scope? 14:00 kidclamp May 10th, 21 UTC? NZ folks have had a hard time making meeting and that would help 14:00 cait sounds good to me 14:01 * ashimema doesn't see a gender neutral language proposal 14:01 Joubu not in the agenda 14:01 atheia ashimema: there was something on the mailing list. 14:01 cait hm yeah, but it was written 14:01 kidclamp bug 18432 14:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18432 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ephetteplace, Pushed to Master , Most code comments assume male gender 14:01 Joubu and the author does not seem around :) 14:01 cait i tihnk maybe not aware on how to add 14:02 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Draft:Gender_Neutral_Pronouns 14:02 kidclamp so is a coding guideline proposal? 14:02 cait i'd say so - maybe we could find a better example later 14:02 atheia Yeah, I think that was the if I recall correctly. 14:02 kidclamp I think add to next meeting 14:02 cait ok 14:03 ashimema agreed.. 14:03 atheia Sure. 14:03 ashimema there's also a proposal dating back to 2014 about formalising in a guidline that we use american english 14:03 kidclamp #action phette23 should add gender neutral pronouns proposal to coding guidleines for next meeting 14:03 * Joubu is happy that someone reads his test's descriptions 14:03 ashimema in the 'discussion' tab on the wiki 14:03 atheia ^^ 14:04 kidclamp #info Next Meeting: May 10th 2017, 21 UTC 14:04 cait heh and i commented 14:04 kidclamp last call 14:04 cait +1 14:04 * Joubu would have spent more than 3sec to write it, if he had known... 14:05 kidclamp #endmeeting 14:05 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Apr 26 14:05:23 2017 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 14:05 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_26_april_2017.2017-04-26-13.01.html 14:05 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_26_april_2017.2017-04-26-13.01.txt 14:05 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_26_april_2017.2017-04-26-13.01.log.html 14:05 kidclamp thank you everyone! that was a good meeting 14:05 cait kidclamp++ 14:05 mveron kidclamp++ 14:06 oleonard kidclamp++ 14:06 atheia kidclamp++ 14:06 LibraryClaire kidclamp++ 14:07 josef_moravec kidclamp++ 14:07 ashimema kidclamp++ 14:07 josef_moravec later #koha 14:09 Joubu oleonard: around? 14:09 oleonard Yes 14:10 Joubu bug 18462 and bug 17942 14:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Implemented bootstrap styling on the web installer and onboarding tool 14:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17942 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, BLOCKED , Update style of the web installer with Bootstrap 3 14:10 Joubu there is something not clear at all, at least for me 14:11 Joubu Be care not to duplicate work, or work on an outdated code 14:11 Joubu the base should be bug 17855 14:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17855 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , New onboarding tool feature to guide users through setting up Koha, and minor web installer UI improvements 14:11 Joubu just notice it, just in case... 14:12 oleonard Alex created Bug 18462 and copied the work from 17942. I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm doing some cleanup to make sure it's up to date. 14:13 oleonard I'll have a follow-up patch for it today 14:13 cait oleonard++ 14:13 Joubu oleonard: It would be awesome to have it for 17.05 :) 14:14 oleonard I think so too! 15:27 reiveune bye 16:31 oleonard I added my follow-up to Bug 18462. It's all template stuff, so I hope it can be tested easily. 16:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Implemented bootstrap styling on the web installer and onboarding tool 16:53 oleonard Bug 11897 doesn't apply anymore :( 16:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Patch doesn't apply , Stock Rotation for Koha 18:04 magnuse i have some old code that does $data = &GetBiblioData($biblionumber); and then $data->{'marcxml'}; to get the marcxml. what's the new best practice for doing that after marcxml was moved? 18:05 magnuse ah GetXmlBiblio 18:22 Joubu indeed 18:28 Joubu rangi: I've just sent you a PR for koha-dashboard 19:00 oleonard bye all 19:38 liv_ong I'm in need of speeding up koha 19:39 liv_ong I have nearly three hundred thousands records, and the search engine begins to lag 19:39 liv_ong how could I optimize search times? 19:43 cait hi liv_ong 19:43 cait not sure how many people are around - bit late for europe too early for nz 19:43 cait maybe try to ask your question on the mailing list or try the chat at another time 19:48 Joubu liv_ong: Koha version? Are you using plack & memcached correctly configured? 19:48 Joubu search engine lags? What do you mean? 19:51 rangi 300,000 shouldn't be a problem we have libraries much larger than that 19:51 rangi Joubu: looking now 19:58 cait hm koha facets can be slow 19:59 cait well zebra facets actually 19:59 cait deactivating that sped up search in some cases for us 20:06 rangi khall_away: commit 8c3fc47338fed6c35ea21a6524d6c1a109861ebf can you take a look at that, can we fix the author lines on commits like that please? 20:08 rangi im 99% sure that was alex from biblibre, but we (all of us) should have failed qa on that having a dodgy author in patch 20:08 Joubu oops, now 19 majors! 20:08 rangi Author: = <=> 20:10 rangi Joubu++ #rm proposal 20:10 cait ? 20:11 rangi cait: look at that commit id i just posted to kyle 20:12 cait ah 20:12 rangi something for QA, RM, etc to keep in mind, we should not let commits go in like that, when we can git commit --amend --author= 20:12 rangi etc 20:12 cait subject line is wrong too 20:12 rangi *nod* 20:12 cait not sure if that works with the release script 20:12 cait it might 20:13 rangi I think we need to make fixing the wiki for 17.11 too 20:13 cait probably catches lots of variations by now 20:13 cait oh yes please 20:15 Joubu rangi: I do not think it's possible to edit in the git repo, that will rewrite the commit (commitid will change) 20:15 rangi Get rid of CGI emulation and move to a Plack app <-- big goal, but a great one, will remove so many 20:16 Joubu we will need to force pushed, what we do not want :) 20:16 rangi Joubu: yes not possible now, but i was meaning we should always check and fix before pushing 20:16 rangi because now its there forever 20:16 Joubu note that none of the items are in my goals, there are just examples 20:16 rangi yep 20:16 Joubu they* 20:17 rangi i think the cgi emulation will have to be done over multiple releases 20:17 rangi and probably path by path 20:17 rangi ie /admin/ -> straight plack 20:18 cait what kind of changes are needed for htat? 20:18 rangi /tools/ -> still cgi emulation 20:18 rangi cait: the scripts themselves need to be converted from cgi ones, to plack ones 20:19 cait can you explain a bit more? 20:19 rangi http://advent.plackperl.org/2009/12/day-6-convert-cgi-apps-to-psgi.html 20:19 rangi is one way to do it 20:19 rangi there are others 20:21 cait thx! 20:35 Joubu bye #koha 20:35 liv_ong Joubu: cait: thanks for answering, I'm not sure about plack and memcache, how do I enable it? 20:39 cait how did you install koha? 20:48 liv_ong cait: but this system was managed until yesterday 20:49 liv_ong cait: so I don't know 20:49 liv_ong cait: by another person* 20:50 cait which version? 20:50 wahanui which version is probably recommended? 20:51 wizzyrea hi 20:51 wahanui hello, wizzyrea 20:52 cait liv_ong: check the about page 20:52 cait it has lots of important information 20:52 cait gives you your installed version 20:52 cait information about packages that might be missing 20:52 cait and systemm information can show helpful information about missing/wrong configuration server side 20:53 liv_ong cait: will do and report back 20:59 liv_ong another question cait , how could optimize search engine for koha(SEO)? 21:00 cait do yo umean in order to have your koha indexed by search engines like google? 21:02 cait hm no tcohen 21:02 liv_ong cait: exactly