Time Nick Message 21:39 mveron Good night / daytime #koha 20:57 * CrispyBran waves 20:51 alexbuckley thanks its fairly close to finished will continue to work on it after the majors including 18442 20:50 Joubu ok, good luck :) 20:50 alexbuckley So 17942 was for 17855 before your changes and before I split off the web installer improvements. To make 18462 I applied 17855 and 17942 then merged them. Our most up to date onboarding tool still did not implement bootstrap styling so I had to manually add that to the onboardingstep*.tt files. So put simply 18462 applies bootstrap styling to the newly changed onboarder and current master web installer 20:46 Joubu alexbuckley: I am not sure to undestand the difference between 17942 and 18462 20:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18039 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the mandatory and optional files for non-english languages into 'default' directory so bug 17855 permits use of other languages 20:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18346 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, ASSIGNED , Improved web installer containing basic and advanced setup modes 20:45 alexbuckley Joubu: I also got the web installer improvements bug 18346 (implementation of basic and advanced) that I split off from 17855 working successfully and ready to sign off with bug 18039 applied 20:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18372 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , transits are not created at check in despite user responsing Yes to the prompt 20:43 Guest315 kyle: Bug 18372 - transits are not created at check in despite user responsing 20:43 Guest315 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #156: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/156/ 20:42 alexbuckley Ok. Last night I went through and got the styling pretty close to fully implemented for the onboarding tool are you happy for me to attach the resulting merged patch to 18462 in a little while? 20:39 Joubu alexbuckley: if the patch does not apply, use apply --reject 20:37 alexbuckley Its simply to get the styling that Owen did in 17942 to work on the updated onboarding tool. I tried merging 17855 and 17942 however it required quite a bit of manual updating to implement the styling into the onboarding tool 20:35 Joubu well, will need to be rebased I guess 20:35 Joubu alexbuckley: I do not understand 18462, 17942 takes care of the onboarding tool already 20:34 Joubu yes 20:32 rangi so i would set it to master in that case? 20:31 rangi it effects 16.11, 17.05 and master 20:31 rangi master then :) 20:31 rangi ahhh right 20:25 Joubu it's how I understand it 20:25 Joubu version == 16.11 if it only affects <= 16.11 20:24 Joubu version == master if it affects master 20:24 Joubu rangi: seems like we do not use the version the same way 20:23 rangi thank you 20:23 Joubu yep ok 20:22 rangi its a nice one for him to learn git-bisect on 20:22 rangi Joubu: do you want to wait until your morning? if alex cant fix it, you take it then? 20:22 rangi updated the bug 20:21 rangi only with the db user tho, so most people wont bump into it 20:21 rangi ive had it happen on 16.11 20:21 rangi i think it does actually 20:21 Joubu ha no, version is set to 17.05 20:20 Joubu does it affect stables? 20:20 Joubu I can take this one 20:20 rangi but I think alex is going to use git bisect to both learn that tool, and find the commit that broke it 20:19 rangi if you open another tab, you see you are .. so something weird 20:19 rangi but says you arent 20:19 rangi it actually logs you in 20:19 rangi its not very nice 20:19 huginn` 04Bug 18442: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Permission error when logging into staff interface as db user 20:19 rangi https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18442 <-- might move up to critical 20:19 rangi however 20:18 rangi alex is busy working on the majors, to try and get patches/sign offs for all of those, no blockers or criticals left 20:17 rangi thats why an authorised one makes sense I think, let peple define what works for their communities 20:16 Joubu the list can be long 20:16 Joubu http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/02/heres-a-list-of-58-gender-options-for-facebook-users/ 20:16 rangi on to more positive news 20:12 rangi wtf are we still worrying about it for :)( 20:12 rangi if so 20:12 rangi Can you understand that? 20:12 rangi They have a cat 20:11 rangi the question is, can you understand the comment, without it offending 50% of the worlds population 20:11 cait in German it's difficult - wish it was easier 20:10 rangi so he/she makes no snese 20:10 rangi gendered ones 20:10 rangi in fact it has zero 20:10 rangi and it has gender neutral pronouns too 20:10 * Joubu -- his/her/other English grammar :p 20:10 rangi i think philippe doesnt know MÄori was my first language 20:10 * Joubu -- his English grammar 20:09 rangi yeah 20:09 Joubu but we could have a default list, that would be translatable 20:09 cait the itemtypes were a hit at our user meeting 20:09 Joubu because there are not translatable (yet) 20:09 cait woudl be really nice to have that 20:08 Joubu that's why it's not an AV :) 20:08 cait with the authorised values 20:08 cait the translatable bit is a problem currently 20:07 rangi thats why having it be an authorised value (and making it translatable too) 20:07 cait it's more complicated than that 20:07 rangi not in the slightest 20:06 cait i think she/he is not all inclusive 20:06 rangi that was the least helpful message 20:05 rangi adminkuhn-- 20:05 Joubu 248 [% IF ( sex == 'F' ) %]Female[% ELSIF ( sex == 'M' ) %]Male[% ELSE %][% sex %][% END %] 20:04 rangi http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Thiruvananthapuram-library-opens-a-new-page/articleshow/55395836.cms 20:04 rangi but that was an issue they bumped into 20:04 rangi i posted a link yesterday to an india library, which is paving the way 20:03 Joubu guess it's not 20:03 rangi is sex still hardcoded? not an authorised value yet? 20:03 Joubu and not have to write/SO/QA/Push other fixes like that 20:02 rangi but seriously we do have some gender problems in koha 20:02 Joubu The only think I'd like to get is QA tests to avoid future occurrences 20:02 Joubu heh yes, just perturb non English native people 20:01 rangi just like proprietary software 20:01 rangi plural only is a modern abberation 20:01 rangi there has always been singular they 20:01 rangi has been for centuries 20:01 rangi its perfectly grammatically correct english 20:00 Joubu (s)he and "he or she" neither 20:00 Joubu I really do not care, but I agree that "them/their" is not perfect 19:59 rangi wherever i spot it 19:59 rangi ah well, im just gonna send patches making it gender neutral anyway 19:59 Joubu we may have found a topic to get people attending meetings :p 19:56 rangi theres always gotta be one 19:54 cait it was too good to be true, right? 19:54 cait *sigh* 19:26 * Joubu thinks that wizzyrea ++ koha a bit too quickly yesterday... 19:08 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18372 - transits are not created at check in despite user responsing Yes to the... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07156cf8fd0f11eb43a11ffa7f75d4c95f3766df> 18:28 * tcohen is always forced to google for slang by eythian 18:16 eythian Slackers. 18:15 eythian Everyone said they would test it, then just never posted anything again. 18:15 eythian It got stuck in needs signoff 18:15 eythian I submitted a patch for that. 18:00 cait don't forget teleporters? 17:56 tcohen hehe 17:56 oleonard Can we do the time travel one first? Then we'll have plenty of time for the mind reading one. 17:49 tcohen lol 17:46 * mveron searches for sysprefs 'EnableMindReading' and 'AllowMindReading'. Hmm not there. Will file a bug... 17:45 mveron Linked, and I added my nice screenshot there as well... 17:42 Joubu mveron: I let you link it with 18453? 17:40 mveron Is indeed :-) 17:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18257 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Column visibility button does not increase colspan properly with pre-hidden columns 17:40 Joubu mveron: bug 18257 17:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8257 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, CLOSED FIXED, Translation scripts show lots of warnings 17:40 Joubu mveron: bug 8257 17:40 Joubu yep, very useful 17:40 mveron Ok, waiting... Was almost finished... 17:39 tcohen Joubu: new mind reading capabilities? 17:39 Joubu I think it already exists, 2sec 17:39 Joubu do not open the new bug report you are going to open 17:39 Joubu mveron: around? 17:29 oleonard I guess my suggestion is to either make the global default a wider date range or modify members.js for this particular case. 17:26 kidclamp who knows if librarians are registering time travellers and need future dates 17:26 kidclamp I mostly kept the c and +10 because it is there now - just setting it to -100 seems fine to me, but is a bigger change in how it works 17:24 oleonard Oh you're right I misread the changes 17:21 Joubu The patch uses "c-100:c+10" for dob, it does not affect default ones 17:21 Joubu ok, my question was about dob 17:20 oleonard $("#dateofbirth").datepicker({ maxDate: "-1D", yearRange: "c-120:" }); 17:20 oleonard ...which that one has already 17:19 oleonard No, but individual datepickers can have their own setting which overrides the default 17:18 Joubu oleonard: Hi! You do think that future dates make sense for date of birth datepickers? 16:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18339 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Koha::Patron::Attribute ->opac_editable and ->opac_display should be removed 16:31 mveron tcohen: I re-tested Bug 18339 on a brand new install. Problem seems to be related to repeatable patron attributes. Can reproduce with patch, not without patch. 16:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move C4::Koha::GetItemTypes to Koha::ItemTypes 16:10 Guest315 jonathan.druart: Bug 17835: (followup) Make TestBuilder skip views 16:10 Guest315 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #155: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/155/ 15:50 tcohen thanks 15:50 tcohen :-D 15:50 tcohen nm 15:50 tcohen something is wrong on my code :-D 15:50 tcohen oh 15:49 oleonard I'm pretty sure I did restart_all, but I can test again. 15:49 tcohen and what Marc posted seems to point to different code than what I provided with the patch 15:49 tcohen it looks to me like restart_all is needed 15:48 tcohen with the patch 15:48 tcohen I cannot reproduce the problem 15:48 oleonard Yes 15:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18339 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Koha::Patron::Attribute ->opac_editable and ->opac_display should be removed 15:47 tcohen bug 18339 15:47 oleonard Yes 15:47 tcohen oleonard: around? 15:38 Joubu hoooo *!!ùm!! 15:38 tcohen Joubu: good question 15:34 Joubu nlegrand: around? 15:32 oleonard Joubu: That's my experience with things I build for the staff at my library too. :( 15:31 reiveune bye 15:26 Joubu Why people test when it's in production already and not when I ask to test a big change? 15:11 * oleonard-away trudges back from his meeting 14:36 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17835: (followup) Make TestBuilder skip views <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e5c9bab4e791fdb6ac8cfc66078f206a169e2f7> 14:31 marcelr will have a look 14:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-create should create the template cache dir and configure it in koha-conf.xml 14:31 marcelr bug 17951 14:31 tcohen :-D 14:31 tcohen marcelr: would you sign 17951? 14:30 marcelr hey tcohen: are you going for the last one too (18361) ? 14:28 druthb tcohen! :D 14:27 tcohen hi druthb 14:07 * druthb waves. 13:55 marcelr tcohen++ # serialitems 13:52 magnuse oh well, dinnertime 13:50 magnuse and btw, it's snowing in bodø 13:50 magnuse of course the solution is a per-user setting in koha for "don't disturb me between x and y", with the possibility of exceptions for weekends and holidays 13:41 magnuse yeah, and specifically it is 6:30, 6:35 and 6:40 13:39 ashimema 6am.. that's a lie in ;) 13:39 magnuse looks like tje majority of texts are sent out at 6am something 13:26 marcelr cron jobs like to work after midnight 13:25 magnuse hehe 13:25 jeff after our first case of calling patrons in the middle of the night, we added some additional hard limits, including a check for ntp sync. didn't think to add timezone checks, though... that hasn't bitten us yet, but now i'm going to want to add that before it does. :-) 13:23 tcohen magnuse: check your server timezone =D 13:22 jeff ouch. 13:20 magnuse gah, patrons waking up in the middle of the night because koha sent them a text message... 12:58 * oleonard trudges off to a meeting 12:57 tcohen he 12:57 marcelr developers have something with waiting :) 12:57 tcohen with that branch ready for signing 12:57 tcohen yes, I'm waiting for the devbox to start up 12:56 marcelr tcohen: i need your signoff on those patches related to build_object 12:55 marcelr hi tcohen 12:47 oleonard Hi tcohen and kidclamp 12:47 kidclamp morning 12:46 tcohen morning 12:40 mveron oleonard: Thanks for testing, just saw the SO 11:51 eythian (how'd I miss de and het from that list?) 11:50 marcelr ;) 11:50 eythian marcelr: while you're at it, I have this other list of things for you to fix: onregelmatig en sterk werkwoorden, dropping letters depending on what comes later in the word, separable verbs, losing the 'n' sound, g, and I'll probably think of more soon. Where's the bugzilla? ;) 11:45 eythian yeah, that is so annoying, can you fix that please :) 11:45 marcelr eythian: en wij gebruiken she als meervoud :) 11:43 eythian marcelr: yeah, it's perfectly normal sounding, you wouldn't even notice it typically. Very formal writing perhaps being an exception where it might feel a bit out of place. 11:37 * cait files it under bad idea 11:37 jcamins (smoothly) 11:37 jcamins cait: I imagine a lot of people of people would be thrilled if you got it working. 11:36 cait jcamins: so centos? :) 11:35 cait someone used it when talking about the baby and I was thinking 'twins???' all the time :) 11:34 cait marcelr: i got confused a lot by it in the beginning, you get somewhat used to it 11:33 marcelr ok, native speakers will know 11:33 jcamins marcelr: it does sound a bit strange in some contexts, but it has historical precedent and is the accepted gender neutral pronoun for both singular and plural. 11:30 marcelr sounds kind of strange 11:30 marcelr just wondering if you should say "they" when talking about one person 11:29 marcelr :) 11:29 cait hi marcelr 11:29 cait i was asked 11:29 cait trying to install it there 11:29 marcelr hi #koha 11:26 jcamins cait: making it work, or expecting it to work? 11:23 cait koha + centos - good idea or bad idea? 09:20 liw koha++ (that short thread on gender-neutral pronouns could've gone so badly in any number of other projects) 08:56 magnuse hm, should koha really be putting email messages in the message_queue for patrons that do not have an email address? 08:04 wahanui hmmm... which conference is that? 08:04 magnuse which conference? 08:04 magnuse thanks dcook 07:59 dcook Good luck with your 5th time issue, magnuse 07:58 dcook Anyway, I should get home 07:58 dcook And the conference isn't until next year 07:58 dcook Paper isn't due until August though, so that gives us heaps of time 07:58 dcook Because I don't have enough things to do already :p 07:58 dcook And I guess the state of RDF in libraries ing eneral 07:58 dcook Little abstract about what we're doing with rdf in Koha 07:57 dcook I got done that paper proposal in less than 50 minutes though. I thought that was pretty good. 07:57 * dcook finds handling a million things at once hard :D 07:56 dcook :/ 07:55 * magnuse finds returning to an issue for the 5th time hard 07:55 magnuse :-/ 07:54 dcook life --hard 07:54 magnuse reset --hard 07:54 magnuse yeah, something like that 07:54 dcook magnuse: need a hard reset? 07:47 * magnuse tries to kick himself into support mode 07:16 wahanui privet, gaetan_B 07:16 gaetan_B hello 06:42 fridolin1 hie tehre 06:42 * dcook waves 06:42 huginn` dcook: Error: No such location could be found. 06:42 dcook @wunder syd 06:35 cait bbiab 06:34 wahanui niihau, reiveune 06:34 reiveune hello 06:33 cait hi alex_a 06:31 alex_a hello 06:31 cait i miss the weather thingy 06:31 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 06:31 magnuse @wunder enbo 06:31 magnuse cait: snowing here too 06:22 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found. 06:22 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:22 cait it just started snowing 06:22 cait hm the weather is broken 06:12 alexbuckley I have to head home now, see you all later 06:07 alexbuckley Thanks :) 06:07 cait bookmarking it 06:07 cait can't do it before tonight, but saving it 06:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18002 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Needs Signoff , Make onboarding tool include framework to be embedded in Acquisitions to help the users set up Acquisitions for the first time 06:03 alexbuckley Well I still have to fix a few things in 18346, so that needs to be done before languages. I should have that done by tommorow. As for now perhaps you could test bug 18002 which is a mini onboarder for the acquisitions area? 05:59 cait so if i want to help out there, where would i start now with testing? 05:58 alexbuckley Nope that was just to make the installer easier to use onboarding didnt use the basic or advanced 05:57 cait i guess i really lost track 05:57 cait i htought the basic one was onboarding 05:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18346 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, ASSIGNED , Improved web installer containing basic and advanced setup modes 05:57 alexbuckley Nope bug 18039 is just for web installer improvements (bug 18346) to work properly 05:56 cait *confused* 05:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17855 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , New onboarding tool feature to guide users through setting up Koha, and minor web installer UI improvements 05:56 cait bug 17855 05:55 cait so the currently pqa stuff will work with other languages too? 05:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18039 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the mandatory and optional files for non-english languages into 'default' directory so bug 17855 permits use of other languages 05:55 cait bug 18039 05:55 alexbuckley The languages patches in 18039 ideally need to be split into multiple seperate bug reports to get them signed off faster. I am not sure how to split the patches for a bug off when there are so many 05:54 alexbuckley It wasnt the onboarding tool itself that needed languages SQL files moved it was the web installer improvement which were subsequently moved off into a different bug report so the web installer improvements which was the bit that required the languages was split off into a separate bug report. 05:53 wahanui i guess alexbuckley is just writing nice commit messages for the patches, and then it will be testable :) 05:53 cait alexbuckley? 05:52 mveron Oh, that I do not know. 05:52 cait there was discussion about the onboarding tool only working with english -t hat's why i am asking if there is any work left to do there still 05:52 cait and thx for doing the translations - you beat me to it :) 05:51 cait talking about the german onboarding version :) 05:51 cait hi mveron 05:51 mveron cait: Hi :-) - Do you mean the German translations? If yes - yes. 05:49 cait what happened to the languages? all done? 05:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17956 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Signed Off , Provide additional functionality in the onboarding tool through configuring z-targets, and providing information on setting up SIP and LDAP services 05:49 alexbuckley mveron has signed off bug 17956 which is the SIP, LDAP information pages at the end of the onboarder I am not sure if you are able to do a QA test on that? 05:40 cait i lost track of the dependencies a bit 05:40 cait is there something that still needs testing? 05:40 cait didn't do muc, but glad it made it in 05:38 * mveron waves 05:38 alexbuckley thanks I'm very grateful to you, mveron, joubu and everyone whose helped 05:37 cait congratulations on pqa! 05:37 cait hi alexbuckley 05:09 alexbuckley hi cait 05:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18438 major, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Needs Signoff , Check in: Modal about holds hides important check in messages 05:03 alexbuckley I have submitted a patch for your bug 18438, not sure if it is exactly what you were requiring, but it is how I interpreted it 05:00 mveron hi alexbuckley 05:00 alexbuckley hi mveron 04:41 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha