Time  Nick             Message
23:25 rangi            yep
23:22 tcohen           until it is asynchronously loaded
23:22 tcohen           we need to disable the button
23:20 rangi            ahh that would break stuff
23:20 tcohen           the problem with auth merge, is that it allows you to click the merge button while the merge result is not yet loaded
23:18 cait             i should sleep :) night #koha
23:18 cait             hm the module is a bit outdated - not latest cas standard too
23:16 rangi            people have reported it for other modules too
23:16 rangi            its something up with permissions when running under cron
23:15 tcohen           thanks for the pointer, rangi
23:14 rangi            i have a workaround, but it will hit in debian 9 (its already hit in ubuntu 16.04)
23:14 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17717 critical, P4, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , process_message_queue.pl: Can't locate Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm
23:14 rangi            you should also take a look at bug 17717
23:09 tcohen           I managed to break an authority record by merging it in 16.11
22:52 tcohen           it'd be great someone has tested this simple one, so he does QA on this one too
22:52 tcohen           jonathan is testing/QAing 13757 which depends on several patches that are dependencies for this
22:51 tcohen           he, thanks rangi
22:50 rangi            ill take a look tcohen
22:50 tcohen           UTC+12 are very busy people
22:43 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17828 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Koha::Patron::Attribute->store should raise an exception if unique_id is being broken
22:43 tcohen           anyone willing to sign bug 17828?
22:41 tcohen           drojf++
22:41 tcohen           hi
21:33 espen_           have you good day ahead for those who've already started out! From this end it's g'night!
21:31 wizzyrea         no worries
21:31 espen_           you've been very helpful; thanks!
21:31 espen_           but I'll poke around a bit more and let you know if I get stuck with something more specific
21:30 espen_           well...it may be something indirect, my URLs aren't rending correctly and I suspect a more generic variable isn't what it should be somewhere
21:29 wizzyrea         pass, I know exactly 0 about shib
21:28 espen_           so....I'm left with a question about Shibboleth but will save it for another session!
21:27 espen_           good timing
21:27 wizzyrea         ^.^
21:27 wizzyrea         at work. before locking our computers and walking out the door.
21:26 wizzyrea         it was literally the last thing we did yesterday lol
21:26 wizzyrea         */15 * * * * root cd /tmp && koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl
21:26 wizzyrea         it'd end up looking like this
21:26 espen_           (doesn't seem to be in the bug report)
21:25 espen_           ok....not just me then; I'll keep an eye on it an reintroduce the koha-foreach when a permanent solution is in place. Thanks for the tip rangi
21:22 rangi            its not actually a koha problem, there are a few perl modules that have the problem
21:21 rangi            its a permissions issue, something in perl 5.22 has changed
21:21 huginn`          04Bug 17717: critical, P4, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , process_message_queue.pl: Can't locate Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm
21:21 wizzyrea         https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17717 here's the bug
21:21 rangi            before the koha-foreach
21:21 rangi            just add cd /tmp &&
21:21 espen_           didn't get to a solution
21:21 espen_           yeah...I started down that rabbit-hole
21:20 wizzyrea         something like Can't locate Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm:   ./Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm:
21:20 espen_           so I'm not going nuts? :-)
21:20 espen_           if I take it out (I only have one library) everything's fine
21:20 wizzyrea         rangi and i were looking at that one yesterday
21:19 wizzyrea         :)
21:19 espen_           but never from cron
21:19 espen_           basically it runs of CLI
21:19 espen_           :)
21:19 wahanui          Ubuntu 16.04 is the new LTS release.
21:19 espen_           Ubuntu 16.04
21:19 wizzyrea         what's the OS?
21:19 espen_           so, one more question; non-critical but puzzling: I can't get /usr/sbin/koha-foreach to work
21:17 andreashm        It's seems I've writen to devel before, but not the general list. Interesting. (at least to me)
21:16 * andreashm      sent a mail to the mailing list. I wonder if that's a first, or if I've written before but forgotten?
21:13 espen_           that's another thing off my snagging list
21:13 espen_           thanks
21:11 wizzyrea         \o/
21:11 espen_           but not the framework
21:11 espen_           I've set it somewhere as a preference
21:11 espen_           you're right
21:11 espen_           hang on
21:10 wizzyrea         This surprises me.
21:09 espen_           uhu
21:09 wizzyrea         you set it in the default framework?
21:09 espen_           or the stuff I bulk-loaded
21:09 espen_           the default works for new items catalogued in koha, but not Z39.50 lookup
21:08 wizzyrea         (unless you isntall the sample data, but we don't assume that.)
21:08 wizzyrea         we can't make a default for it because a new Koha comes without itemtypes ;)
21:08 espen_           I have that set
21:07 wizzyrea         you can default that
21:07 espen_           didn't affect our roll out, our cataloguer just got a bit annoyed that edits always required a visit to tab 9 to set the itemtype before saving
21:06 espen_           oh well, got sorted in the end, but that's useful to know
21:06 wizzyrea         (it's been a while since I've had to do that, and I might be thinking of a tool in the migration toolkit anyway)
21:05 wizzyrea         yeah you'd want to start with them set in the biblioitems table, and then do touch_all_biblios.pl which should rewrite the xml from the data in biblio and biblioitems.
21:05 espen_           (all my BKs became NULLs!)
21:05 espen_           the CLI tools did the inverse of what I wanted :-)
21:05 espen_           there is one that would have done it automatically?
21:05 wizzyrea         that wasn't the tool I was thinking of but yep that's another way to do it.
21:05 wizzyrea         and 10  items with different item types
21:05 wizzyrea         you could have one bibliographic record for hamlet
21:05 wizzyrea         item type on the items is how you control circulation
21:05 espen_           Tools->Batch modify MARC
21:05 wizzyrea         you can have lots of item types, Adult fiction book, youth fiction books
21:05 espen_           That's what I did in the end
21:01 wizzyrea         for example
21:01 wizzyrea         there are tools in koha to fix up the marcxml if they get out of sync
21:01 espen_           ok, I probably didn't pick that up because we currently only have BK
21:00 wizzyrea         marcxml and biblioitems should always be the same
21:00 wizzyrea         items is independent of the biblio level item type
21:00 wizzyrea         it can
21:00 espen_           but if I 'touch' either the 942c will override them?
20:59 wizzyrea         items holds the item level item type
20:59 wizzyrea         not sure what you mean by canonical reference. Biblioitems holds the biblio level item type
20:59 espen_           so...the canonical reference is the latter?
20:58 wizzyrea         yep
20:58 espen_           biblioitems,items and.....this took me a while marc_xml 942c
20:57 espen_           so, on the subject of massaging the data directly in the tables, the only 'catch' I encountered with my items was that koha's itemtype seems to be stored in 3 different places?
20:54 espen_           because mysql doesn't have any other way of querying external databases..... which surprised me
20:53 espen_           currently the card data is FEDERATED database/table so the logic that gets the data on to the koha server is separate from the script I need to write to actually do the update
20:52 espen_           yeah....it should be 'safe' in that sense. one advantage I can see for the REST is that I could make it push from the card database in a single script
20:50 wizzyrea         internally it uses a db assigned number.
20:50 wizzyrea         none really, koha only uses the userid/cardnumber for identifying the public face of the borrower
20:50 espen_           so, between this and my alternative plan of updating the borrows table directly in mysql (update/insert from my card database) what are the potential pitt-falls?
20:48 espen_           skipped over it earlier because it looked like work in progress
20:47 espen_           looking at this now
20:47 cait             there is more information about the rest api on the wiki
20:46 espen_           hmmm....
20:45 cait             brb
20:45 cait             yes, but some parts are in 16.11.x
20:44 cait             http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=api/v1/swagger/definitions;h=fe3907496f2f6005ee82eecf4fb0f81c7f2f7307;hb=d3ef053c415fdab3ab59310cb4d058f6a0c50e77
20:44 espen_           work still in progress?
20:43 espen_           I've not seen the REST API; time to investigate
20:42 espen_           aye
20:42 cait             tools - patron import
20:42 wahanui          borrowers is InnoDB in oleonard's test system, FWIW
20:42 espen_           borrowers
20:42 cait             tcohen: is the patron rest api usable do you know?
20:42 espen_           ok, so the borrow tool is the one in cgi-bin?
20:42 wizzyrea         oh true
20:42 cait             depending on the version you use, there might be something in the rest api
20:41 espen_           of
20:41 espen_           my design goal is to stay up to date off the repo!
20:41 espen_           ok, I'm definitely not into overly customizing
20:40 wizzyrea         word of warning, if you modify Koha too much without submitting your changes, you'll have a hard time in upgrades.
20:40 wizzyrea         it'll lead you to the scripts too
20:40 wizzyrea         the patron import tool is in More -> tools, if you want to look at what the UI does
20:39 wizzyrea         seems likely :)
20:39 wizzyrea         i mean maybe they have but it's not in core Koha.
20:39 barton           I think there may be a bug open for a command line import tool, but it got stuck in discussion.
20:39 wizzyrea         to update the borrowers. I don't think anyone has done that yet.
20:38 wizzyrea         so probably making it cli would be nice
20:38 espen_           I'm just pondering the best path
20:38 wizzyrea         but lucky for you there's already a batch importer
20:38 espen_           I'm ok with that
20:38 wizzyrea         you'll need to write code
20:38 wizzyrea         if you wanted it fully auto, as in "someone puts a file somewhere on the server automatically and ^" that
20:38 espen_           I'm hoping to do this on the CLI so I can do it through cron
20:38 wizzyrea         but you'd still have to put hands on it
20:37 barton           yeah, that was the direction I was going.
20:37 wizzyrea         through the UI
20:37 wizzyrea         actually you might just be able to use the batch patron import completely.
20:36 wizzyrea         the batch import tool might help you though
20:36 wizzyrea         oh you'll have to write code to do this
20:36 espen_           I get a daily feed of card numbers keyed to what we use for the userid
20:35 espen_           my aim is automation
20:35 barton           also, who's going to be changing them? Is this someting that would be handled at the circ desk on a patron by patron basis, or are you likely to have a list (if there are a zillion of them)
20:35 espen_           I'm just wondering if I'm missing something on the 'tools' level which would be more 'polite' for updating user records
20:34 wizzyrea         hey eythian - what should the pacific list be? or should it just be removed
20:34 espen_           I'm aiming to automate this, and my first instinct (given the above) is to do this the database level (I can create table with the cardnumbers matched to the userid)
20:33 wizzyrea         i mean, it's quite standard to change card numbers when you get a new library card.
20:33 wizzyrea         how often do the cards get replaced?
20:33 wizzyrea         well in the simplest case, you just change the number in Koha and you're done.
20:32 espen_           I need to decide how to best synchronise this
20:32 wizzyrea         oh ew
20:31 espen_           which is, all my patrons have cardnumbers that are dynamic (ie. its the UID on a mifare card which changes each time the card gets replaced)
20:30 espen_           but I've now spent so much time in the database I'm not sure if my next challenge is best approached there or somewhere else:
20:29 espen_           no too bad; about 1000 items left from 15000 total to 'figure' out
20:29 espen_           (basically I had lots of errr....ok'ish biblios that need matching to holdings data from a separate system)
20:28 espen_           basically it means I've spend a lot of time getting dirty in the items table
20:28 barton           oo, that sounds like ... um. fun?
20:27 wizzyrea         nah we wouldn't judge.
20:27 espen_           back-story is that had to crow-bar data from a Voyager system with holdings data from a separate circulation system (don't ask!)
20:27 wizzyrea         sup :)
20:27 barton           hi wizzyrea!
20:27 barton           what kinds of issues are you having?
20:27 wizzyrea         hi
20:26 espen_           that's what I figured from occasional lurking!
20:26 barton           well, you're in the right place :-)
20:25 espen_           as you may imagine I have a some residual issues to consider after the roll out, so was hoping to pick your brains
20:25 espen_           well, that could be either East or West from here!
20:24 barton           here's a list of the regulars: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars ... some of the entries are woefully out of date.
20:23 barton           espen_: we're from all over... rangi is in New Zealand.
20:22 espen_           thanks
20:21 barton           welcome espen_!
20:18 espen_           I take it from the 'morning' some of you guys are well West of here!
20:17 espen_           I'm Norwegian but transplanted to the UK :)
20:16 cait             where are you from?
20:16 cait             welcome :)
20:09 espen_           recent koha convert joining in after a successful rollout (two weeks in)
20:08 espen_           hi guys
20:06 wahanui          hola, andreashm
20:06 andreashm        bonjour
19:59 cait             morning rangi
19:56 rangi            morning
18:22 edveal           Hello
16:45 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use Elasticsearch to search for patrons
16:45 kidclamp         bug 17500
16:44 kidclamp         Joubu - i tried to rebase patron search and fix for ES5 - take a look if you have a chance
16:32 reiveune         bye
16:29 cait             oleonard++
16:20 cait             maybe something for the mailing list
16:20 wahanui          categories are only coming up with special types
16:20 cait             categories
16:20 cait             I am actually not sure how to do it for checouts - if all branches use the same itemtypes/patron cateogiry
16:20 archer121        cait: We don't allow holds at all.
16:19 cait             archer121: you can limit holds - so they can*t place holds on items from other branches
16:18 fridolin1        kidclamp: thanks a looooooooot : 5.x indeed
16:18 cait             thinking about checkouts
16:18 cait             it works for holds
16:18 archer121        cait: Circulation and Fine rules?
16:17 cait             hm
16:17 cait             archer121: check your circulation conditions
16:14 eythian          though, I'd suggest you check anyway. It's been a while since I've looked into it and things may have changed.
16:13 eythian          yeah, but it's not terrible as it's all online, so it can run and the new/updated data will appear as the process runs.
16:13 Joubu            would be much more quicker to update only 1 field
16:13 Joubu            eythian: it is if you have to process and reindex all the records :)
16:08 archer121        I don't see any relavent system preferences
16:07 archer121        hi, currently, patrons in one branch can check out books belonging to another branch. How do I restrict this?
16:02 eythian          but that's not a big deal in general.
16:02 eythian          Joubu: iirc you have to update the whole record.
16:00 Joubu            or do we have to*
16:00 Joubu            Is it possible to update only 1 field of a record? Or do we reindex the full record?
16:00 kidclamp         yeah, we should be using aliases for reindex
15:59 eythian          (or, load into another index and do a drop-rename dance. That might be possible.)
15:59 eythian          a regular reindex with ES can be totally online, but yeah, code changing will require a drop and reload. A future solution might be to have a feature to schedule downtime automatically while it happens, so they can set it up and tell it to start running at midnight :)
15:58 kidclamp         can't break your ES instance before you present it :-)
15:57 kidclamp         I have, just keep getting distracted - done talking so should be more able to test tomorrow
15:57 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18235 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Elastic search - Configurable facets
15:57 wahanui          I haven't seen 'bug', Joubu
15:57 Joubu            kidclamp: seen bug 18235?
15:56 Joubu            to configure/check/confirm the mappings
15:55 kidclamp         then why give them a mapping tool? :-)
15:55 Joubu            full reindex on an already busy server can mess everything up :)
15:55 Joubu            kidclamp: I do not think we want that :)
15:54 wahanui          really is more trouble than she's worth.
15:54 Joubu            really?
15:54 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17866 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Change sender for serial claim notifications
15:54 Joubu            marcelr: I do not understand why there are so much of your prose on bug 17866.
15:54 kidclamp         changing mappings will require bib reindex too
15:53 kidclamp         which I would like to see anyways
15:53 kidclamp         I prefer the second - but then we need a way for staff to initiate a reindex
15:52 Joubu            we need to take a decision, either sort on codes or sort on descriptions but require a reindex when code are changed
15:52 Joubu            kidclamp: I do not think there are any perfect solutions
15:51 kidclamp         ok, I will think more, just wanted to see if you had any solution
15:50 Joubu            for libraries and patron categories at least
15:50 Joubu            nope we need ES sort
15:49 kidclamp         for borrower search do we need to sort in elastic, can't we just datatables sort?
15:48 Joubu            no need to ask ES to sort them out
15:48 Joubu            for AV you can fetch them from the DB
15:48 * Joubu          is bad typing everyday
15:48 Joubu            I raised it for AV
15:48 * kidclamp       is bad typing today
15:48 kidclamp         ;-)
15:48 kidclamp         :-0
15:47 kidclamp         I don't want store any, but it was an issue you raised, just trying to think on it
15:46 Joubu            which description of what do you want to store in the index?
15:46 kidclamp         oh and some wooulds ort right
15:46 Joubu            and not all occurrences have been updated in the ES index
15:46 kidclamp         you would show "zzz" but it owuld sort like "aaa"
15:45 Joubu            what would happen if a description changes from "aaa" to "zzz"?
15:44 kidclamp         hehe
15:44 Joubu            and... ok for sorting you will need something
15:44 kidclamp         but for sorting?
15:44 Joubu            and fetch the description for display
15:44 Joubu            kidclamp: just index the code
15:42 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use Elasticsearch to search for patrons
15:42 kidclamp         Joubu: for concern about indexing code vs. descriptions (re bug 17500)  do you have any suggestions? My only thought is index code and description - use the description for sorting and the code for diplaying - so things at least look right if description changes and will be fixed on next index
15:39 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18316 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add weighting/relevancy options to ElasticSearch
15:39 kidclamp         ashimema bug 18316
15:36 marcelr          JesseM: sometimes adding a comment that you are working on a patch may help (if they read it)
15:36 JesseM           okay I will finish and submit
15:36 marcelr          JesseM: would not be bad to have your signoff too on the report then
15:35 andreashm        talljoy: =)
15:35 JesseM           too slow
15:35 JesseM           :)
15:35 JesseM           okay I was just finishing the tests
15:34 marcelr          JesseM: eric gosselin signed off on one patch
15:31 marcelr          great drojf++
15:30 drojf            *thanks
15:30 drojf            marcelr: thansk for helping with the test, i signed off on both upload bugs now
15:30 talljoy          in our minds perhaps, not so much in code.  hehe
15:29 andreashm        talljoy: sounds like you guys have come a long way then with your work?
15:28 talljoy          :D
15:27 andreashm        talljoy: oh, nice!
15:27 andreashm        bag: I've been saying that for two years in a row now! =)
15:27 andreashm        but magnuse said he hoped to have something to show later this week. perhaps it can also be shown at the hackfest?
15:27 bag              :)  always next year :D
15:26 andreashm        bag: sounds good. to bad none from our team could be there.
15:26 eythian          ideally, all the koha-* commands should do the right thing and not give you broken stuff, and if they do, that's a bug for drojf to fix :)
15:25 cbutosi          Joubu: Ok, thanks! I keep forgetting about checking the script for these things. *headsmack*
15:24 oleonard         :|
15:23 talljoy          kidclamp actually showed his manifestation
15:23 Joubu            cbutosi: the sudo commands I pasted comes from the koha-rebuild-zebra script
15:23 bag              kidclamp: showed his work
15:22 bag              quick demo on some ideas and then talljoy talked high level of what linked data is
15:22 bag              andreashm: it was good
15:17 eythian          np
15:17 cbutosi          eythian, Joubu: Thanks friends! Much appreciated, as always
15:16 andreashm        how was the RDF talk at the hackfest today?
15:16 cbutosi          Joubu: >>sudo -u "$instancename-koha" - Yes, this is what I was thinking, which looks the same as koha-shell {instancename}
15:16 eythian          it should take care of permissions for you
15:16 eythian          yeah, that's the best way
15:15 cbutosi          eythian: Ah, I see. I was planning on running the Debian command, rather than running it as /path/to/script/rebuild_zebra.pl
15:15 * andreashm      waves
15:14 Joubu            sudo -u "$instancename-koha"
15:14 eythian          (I'm fairly sure)
15:14 eythian          yeah, it does
15:14 marcelr          or su -c or so
15:14 marcelr          doesnt it include a sudo call?
15:14 eythian          that you get problems
15:13 eythian          it's when you use rebuild_zebra.pl manually
15:13 eythian          actually, for using koha-rebuild-zebra it should be fine
15:13 eythian          well
15:13 Joubu            cbutosi: yes
15:13 eythian          cbutosi: yep
15:12 Joubu            marcelr: yes that would certainly be better
15:12 cbutosi          Hi all, I'm about manually reindex zebra (koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v {instancename}) on 16.05 package install, but haven't done it in a while. Running this script in koha-shell is probably the recommended way of doing this, right? I remember something about permissions breaking if running in root.
15:07 marcelr          probably adding the name of the caller or so
15:06 marcelr          Joubu: we could throw an exception in output_pref if you like that ;)
15:02 drojf            marcelr: yep. thanks
15:01 drojf            marcelr: will try
15:01 marcelr          JesseM++ # hope to see you test it
15:00 marcelr          drojf: maybe manually set your PERL5LIB and run the test again?
14:57 marcelr          life of these RMs got much harder after dashboards were introduced :)
14:56 bag              I pushed one this morning :)
14:56 marcelr          bag: might be a problem too of the dashboard itself
14:55 marcelr          bag++
14:55 bag              so we’ll see those pushed numbers jumped up a bit :)
14:55 bag              yeah marcelr I will be catching up on pushing the next two days
14:55 JesseM           I can test
14:54 bag              JesseM ^^^
14:53 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18228 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Make list permissions easier to use/understand
14:53 marcelr          hi hackfesters: anyone willing to take a look at bug 18228; should not be that hard to test
14:50 Joubu            I did not try it since I arrived actually. So it will depend on how my palate remembers it
14:48 cait             Joubu: with coca?
14:44 bag              haha! excellent
14:44 Joubu            I am gonna drink Fernet tonight in your names then
14:43 Joubu            bag: haha, thanks for that :)
14:43 oha              at first, i made it work with the sub foo { _foo() } wrappers, but since it fights with Exporter, i might do the "right" thing
14:43 bag              missed you here - last night we did a jagermeister shot in your name  - cheers dood
14:43 oha              I think i should remove the ugly redefs and instead modify C4::Auth to allow hijacking
14:43 bag              hey Joubu
14:41 Joubu            we should move them and remove the lagecy file
14:41 oha              i always used the first one for my tests
14:41 Joubu            the thing is that the first one has interesting options for debugging
14:39 Joubu            quite the same...
14:37 oha              (they are very not, mh...)
14:33 oha              (are they the same, or...?)
14:33 oha              will patch the other one too
14:33 oha              ok, i was manually running the first to make development faster
14:32 Joubu            one is for package install (debian/) the other one is for dev install (legacy)
14:30 oha              what is the second one for?
14:29 Joubu            oha: we have 2 psgi files: debian/templates/plack.psgi and misc/plack/koha.psgi
14:28 cait             if no string changes or bad enough i can push them before the next release on monday
14:28 cait             would be good to get some bugfixes in until friday
14:27 Joubu            yeah, nothing pushed recently
14:27 marcelr          or should we just push kyle a little bit :)
14:26 marcelr          and these patches pushed counts do not increase anymore?
14:26 marcelr          yeah
14:26 Joubu            rangi accepts pull requests ;)
14:26 marcelr          bag: maybe you can find it on another site?
14:23 bag              but you would have to know what month it is :P
14:21 marcelr          if dashboard would say Current month, you would not need that update anymore
14:16 ashimema         hmm.. code no longer open on github
14:15 huginn`          drojf: The operation succeeded.
14:15 drojf            @later tell tcohen https://packages.qa.debian.org/libm/libmojo-jwt-perl/news/20170321T110010Z.html
14:15 Joubu            numbers are ok, the titles are not
14:14 ashimema         Oh.. I see
14:13 Joubu            by rangi
14:13 Joubu            titles are updated manually
14:10 ashimema         seems stuck at January?
14:10 ashimema         hwo does the http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ get it's monthly stats?
14:07 ashimema         then 17600
14:06 ashimema         right.. I'm gonna go dive back into 17737.. looks good to me.. :)
14:06 drojf            cool, thanks everybody
14:05 ashimema         :)
14:05 drojf            my work here is done :D
14:05 wahanui          rumour has it perfect is the enemy of good
14:05 drojf            oh. perfect!
14:05 drojf            patch
14:05 ashimema         nah, marcel is happy to qa as is :)
14:05 drojf            ok so signoff is needed only for the last oatch?
14:05 ashimema         https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=12026&attachment=61449
14:04 ashimema         I found a tiny bug in your rebase.. I say bug.. it wouldn't actually have mattered to be fair
14:04 drojf            ha all different since i looked before the presentation. :D
14:04 marcelr          drojf: just delete them ;)
14:04 ashimema         haha
14:03 ashimema         brill.. thanks marcelr
14:03 drojf            ashimema: i just found like 30 emails about changes on that bug ;)
14:03 marcelr          ashimema: ^^
14:03 ashimema         drojf when you're ready those shib patches are now back up to date
14:03 marcelr          ashimema: i have no objection to SO if you did not turn it upside down
13:53 oha              just pushed the changes out
13:53 oha              also, removed Plack::App::CGIBin and instead using a completely cgi-free environment now
13:53 oha              Joubu: fixed the warning about undef sessionID
13:48 Joubu            but it definitely worth the try
13:48 Joubu            probably
13:48 marcelr          we will probably generate some bugs
13:47 marcelr          yes I saw it Joubu
13:47 Joubu            I faced it again
13:47 Joubu            resurect*
13:47 marcelr          ashimema: that why we have statuses
13:47 * ashimema       really wants his server back now
13:47 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Standardize the EXPORT
13:47 Joubu            that's why I revive bug 17600 yesterday
13:47 ashimema         before anyone goes ahead and continue to work on it ;)
13:47 Joubu            and bad import/export
13:47 ashimema         there's another minor followup I need to add to that bug beyond just that btw
13:47 Joubu            I would answer "circular dependencies"
13:47 marcelr          no se nada
13:46 Joubu            you should know, don't you?
13:46 ashimema         haha.. yeah, i was very confused
13:46 Joubu            you wrote the patch I mention :p
13:46 Joubu            marcelr: I have no ******* idea
13:45 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12026 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , Shibboleth auto-provisioning
13:45 marcelr          Joubu: bug 12026 Just want to ask you why? :) If we understood, it would certainlyu help us..
13:34 Brooke           hi :)
13:34 francharb        Hi #koha
13:19 ashimema         enjoy the talkf
13:19 ashimema         no worries
13:19 drojf            ashimema: we got an rdf talk now, i will look at it when we are done. don't remember tests failing for me
13:18 ashimema         I'll be working on that shib autoprovisioning again later.. the test failure is so far completely baffling me though :9
13:17 ashimema         hi drojf
13:17 * drojf          waves at ashimema
13:11 wahanui          hello, Brooke
13:11 Brooke           Bonjour
13:11 drojf            bonjour!
13:06 ashimema         Hi Joubu
13:04 Brooke           hi!
13:04 Joubu            hi #koha
12:34 ashimema         yup.. that corresponds.. thanks
12:33 ashimema         cheers
12:33 marcelr          ashimema: added a comment
12:23 ashimema         cd
12:23 ashimema         I have no idea why ldap is getting initialised at all after the patches.. it shouldn't be :(
12:22 ashimema         just want to make sure we're seeing the same thing
12:22 ashimema         jsut to check.. the failure you're getting on those tests is ldap related..
12:21 ashimema         haha.. yup
12:21 marcelr          lending a server lol
12:21 ashimema         now I'm dead in the water for a few hours whilst they use it unless I can get this other server working again :9
12:21 ashimema         yeah.. i'll be pulling them down again as soon as I've fixed my gitbz install on this test server.. i made the mistake of 'lending' my main dev server to one of the team here to test somthing.
12:21 marcelr          git bz can have it
12:20 oleonard         git bz burned my toast this morning.
12:20 marcelr          you should blame something
12:20 * ashimema       blames git bz when it was likely actually user error
12:20 marcelr          applying them from gitbz may be better than applying local ones (outdated?)
12:19 ashimema         bloody git bz
12:19 marcelr          i changed BUG to Bug etc
12:19 ashimema         sorry for the cockup on that bug btw.. i've restored your patches
12:19 marcelr          did you see mu comment
12:19 ashimema         just trying to get my head around this failing shibboleth test at the minute..
12:19 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17196 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move marcxml out of the biblioitems table
12:19 huginn`          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18284 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Biblio metadata are not moved to the deleted table when a biblio is deleted
12:19 jenkins          * brendan: Bug 18284: [QA Follow-up] Add test descriptions
12:19 jenkins          * brendan: Bug 18284: (bug 17196 follow-up) Move biblio metadata when a biblio is
12:19 jenkins          Project Koha_Master_D8 build #129: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/129/
12:19 ashimema         'tis next on the list
12:18 marcelr          ashimema: thx for your qa; dare to add the followup of Jonathan too (17737) ?
12:18 * LibraryClaire  posts stinkiest cheese to oleonard
12:18 oleonard         Send surplus cheese my way please.
12:15 eythian          exactly
12:15 wahanui          eythian: i haven't a clue
12:15 eythian          wahanui: pianohacker can't even spell arse right, what would he know
12:15 wahanui          eythian is a kiwi smartass, or so pianohacker says.
12:15 LibraryClaire    hullo
12:15 marcelr          hey eythian
12:14 eythian          hoi marcelr
12:14 eythian          hi LibraryClaire
12:14 marcelr          hi #koha
12:13 LibraryClaire_   ooh an underscore, how exotic
12:13 * LibraryClaire_ is struggling to look at any more cheese
12:00 * ashimema       decides to have cheese for lunch today
11:59 eythian          so much cheese
11:59 eythian          yeah, I think wednesday is cheese day at lunch here
11:58 oleonard         :|
11:58 bag              time for more cheese ;)
11:58 oleonard         I think it's mostly been wishes lately wahanui
11:56 wahanui          oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
11:56 bag              heya oleonard
11:48 oleonard         Hi all
11:06 Infra_3600       thanks
11:05 cait             Infra_3600: not sure that has been tested yet - most are on stable
10:57 Infra_3600       hello ! Does koha work on Debian Stretch?
10:45 Guest922         I am resending the email. :)
10:45 Guest922         ah, it was a mistake from my side. I had subscribed to "koha" and send the email to "koha-devel"
10:44 gaetan_B         xenial xerus
10:44 gaetan_B         anyone running 3.22 on ubuntu ?
10:40 cait             it might be stuck in moderaton
10:40 cait             Guest922: did you subscribe and confirm?
10:39 eythian          http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/ I can't see it in these archives, fwiw
10:38 Guest922         Can someone confirm if a mail subjected "Proposal to give summer internship to students for working on Koha" did reach the list otherwise I'll resend the email.
10:37 eythian          ah, in that case, nagging some people in IRC is a good thing :)
10:37 Guest922         eythian: Actually i sent it over to koha-devel list first. I did not get any responses. Maybe it did not properly get posted in the list.
10:36 eythian          Guest922: on the surface, it seems like a good thing. If I were you I'd take it to the mailing list, that's probably the best place for this sort of feedback.
10:33 Guest922         Hi, we are a university in India. We would like to give an internship to a student during the summer break, in which he will work on koha. A proposal is given here: https://paste.debian.net/923231/ Can a deleloper go though this, and share his/her openion it feasibility of this idea?
10:32 * magnuse        stops
10:32 eythian          geez magnuse
10:32 huginn`          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18284: [QA Follow-up] Add test descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95f4c197692523d6abec712bbb003e4b710344e3> / Bug 18284: (bug 17196 follow-up) Move biblio metadata when a biblio is deleted <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=36ee625f0890c80190e53f59bbb2282c3b2bfcb5>
10:32 eythian          ooh, I can't share that.
10:32 eythian          cait: done.
10:28 cait             can someone please hack magnuse webcam? :)
10:28 cait             photo?
10:28 * magnuse        tries that
10:24 bag              stand on one foot and sing - then it will work
10:21 magnuse          so probably a data problem
10:21 magnuse          bleurgh, it works on another 16.11.05
10:19 magnuse          it happens both with english and swedish
10:19 magnuse          yeah, no memcached on this server actually
10:19 bag              as kidclamp says - when in doubt - always restart memcached :)
10:18 cait             (with 3.22 - will when update probably)
10:18 cait             heh yeah, we don#t run memcached yet, so that's not on my list so far
10:18 bag              always memcached ;)
10:18 cait             might be ar real error, but don't have a 16.11.05 available to test right now :( just trying to rule out the usual traps
10:18 wahanui          memcached is running, but I dunno it Koha uses it.
10:18 bag              memcached
10:17 wahanui          translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/
10:17 cait             hm translations?
10:17 magnuse          plack restart did not help
10:16 cait             until you delete your browser cache, but shift reload shoudl do the same i guess
10:16 cait             the datatables things sometimes have proven to look broken after updates
10:16 magnuse          cait: whaddaya mean by browsercache?
10:16 cait             hm plack restart?
10:15 magnuse          only shift+reload
10:14 cait             have you tried browsercache?
10:14 magnuse          anyone else get an error when they click on the "show checkouts" button in 16.11.05? the data is loaded from the server, but the "Loading..." message never goes away and the JS console says "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot use 'in' operator to search for 'length' in lost"
09:36 cait             miss you all too - hope to see you again soon :)
09:35 talljoy          miss you cait!
09:32 ashimema         and the way they fail is confusing the heck out of me :(
09:32 ashimema         however.. the tests still fail with it..
09:31 ashimema         it's just aobut the most obtuse way of writing it I've ever come accross though :(
09:31 ashimema         aha.. I think i've nailed that line.. it does do what we want it to do..
09:30 cait             i had told some people to put stuff ont he agenda - but then noticed no wiki page :)
09:29 cait             we could cancel it, but should set a new date then probably
09:29 cait             noticed
09:29 cait             i just notices
09:28 kidclamp         there is nothing on the agenda
09:27 kidclamp         up to you cait, I'd rather not chair today but can try to attend
09:26 kidclamp         I will try to do some testing on those when I get back if drojf doesn't beat me to it, need to get my ssh dev site running
09:26 ashimema         I'm sure drojf told me he had the autocreate stuff working too.. will be interested to see what he says when he gets in
09:25 ashimema         ok.. thanks bag and kidclamp
09:25 ashimema         I'll be rebaseing all the other shib patches on top of it today.. with the hope the plack fix gets in soon
09:25 ashimema         kidclamp.. see my plack patch for shib
09:24 bag              for autocreate
09:24 bag              so we aren’t sure if it is working
09:24 kidclamp         other than that plack broke shib
09:24 bag              s/here/hear
09:24 bag              so we think we found the site that has it in production - but we never here from them about it
09:22 ashimema         `$borrower{$key} = ( $entry->{'is'} && $ENV{ $entry->{'is'} } ) || $entry->{'content'} || '';`
09:22 ashimema         it's this line that makes not sense to me:
09:22 eythian          hi
09:22 ashimema         perhaps the logic of it has got completely lost over the mass of rebases since it was first written
09:22 * ashimema       is sure he tested it at the time
09:21 bag              pianohacker does have that magic black boxiness from time to time ;)
09:21 bag              yeah we aren’t sure either ashimema
09:21 kidclamp         lemme check ashimema
09:21 ashimema         I can't see how it has ever worked.. so am trying to dig out the history
09:20 ashimema         it's a patch I shamelessly stole from pianohacker to submit to community (with his permission of course) way back..
09:20 ashimema         bag.. you don't happen to know if any of your sites have the shibboleth autocreation stuff in production do you?
09:20 cait             kidclamp: are we doing the dev meeting today?
09:19 ashimema         cheers bag
09:19 bag              but once he’s here I will tell him to ping you
09:19 * ashimema       goes to dig out a long lost branch from pianohackers repo
09:18 bag              he’s not in yet ashimema
09:18 ashimema         bag.. if drojf is there today could you poke him to get on irc pretty please ;)
09:18 bag              also the internet keeps going in and out cait
09:16 bag              s
09:16 bag              here cait :)  just busy in little conversation
09:15 wahanui          i guess everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
09:15 cait             bag: where is everyone?
09:15 cait             ?
09:13 bag              cait wake up :D
09:11 magnuse          cait: sleeping?
09:05 ashimema         not yet
09:05 ashimema         drojf about?
08:58 cait             where are our hackfesters? :)
08:58 cait             quiet even
08:58 cait             ao quiwet
08:40 magnuse          frioul?
08:40 magnuse          ah, cool!
08:33 bag              great hiking out on the islands yesterday afternoon
08:33 bag              indeed :D
08:33 magnuse          bag: having fun?
08:29 magnuse          bag: knuckles, indeed!
08:29 bag              magnuse: knuckles
08:29 magnuse          bag: HI
08:28 bag              morning
08:08 oha              because it is required by svc/overdrive and 500, but i don't think i enabled it. OTOH i might be slightly behind master
08:07 oha              is overdrive something optionally installable?
08:05 gaetan_B         hello
08:03 wahanui          salut, LibraryClaire
08:03 LibraryClaire    bonjour
08:03 matts            hello !
07:58 oha              o/
07:52 magnuse          bonjour reiveune1
07:52 reiveune1        hello
07:41 wahanui          kamelåså
07:41 aleisha_         hi magnuse
07:41 magnuse          kia ora aleisha_ and laurence
07:41 * magnuse        cheers ashimema on
07:21 * ashimema       hopes to do a few more QA's today... between my other work :(
07:18 magnuse          swedish public library
07:17 cait             what kind of library?
07:17 cait             cool:)
07:16 * magnuse        is doing a final migration/go live today
07:16 magnuse          kia ora ashimema and cait
07:12 * cait           waves
07:11 ashimema         morning #koha
07:05 * magnuse        waves
00:42 eythian          And smoggy
00:41 eythian          No, wood fire is pretty smelly
00:41 wizzyrea         but wood smoke is not good in a city.
00:41 wizzyrea         i know they're very cozy
00:41 eythian          In a few decades
00:41 wizzyrea         I wish they'd do something about wood fires here
00:41 eythian          They have a plan to get rid of that
00:40 wizzyrea         yeah that's less good.
00:40 eythian          Keeping in mind that a lot of heating is still gas, so...
00:40 wizzyrea         anyway well done there.
00:40 eythian          Hmm, i think i saw something like that
00:39 wizzyrea         I feel like I read that, I gave you a long distance mental fistbump.
00:39 wizzyrea         didn't the netherlands recently outpace electrical demand with wind supply though?
00:38 wizzyrea         yeah nah :(
00:38 eythian          Climate change not helping
00:38 wizzyrea         lol
00:38 wizzyrea         ok that's ages ago.
00:38 eythian          Yeah. I think 1997 was the last time
00:38 wizzyrea         makes sense
00:38 wizzyrea         oh so it's a thing for an especially cold winter
00:37 eythian          It only happens once every ten or twenty years or so
00:36 eythian          Heh no
00:36 wizzyrea         has it ever been done since you've been there?
00:35 wizzyrea         whoooooah
00:35 eythian          "eleven city tour"
00:34 eythian          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elfstedentocht a 200km skating tour, when the canals freeze well enough
00:33 wizzyrea         elfstedentocht < what's that?
00:33 eythian          I need to find someone to do it with
00:33 eythian          Yeah, the next one is the Heineken Experience
00:32 eythian          We got snow, but the locals were sad due to no elfstedentocht this year
00:31 wizzyrea         no museum trips lately!
00:31 wizzyrea         can relate.
00:31 wizzyrea         hehehehe
00:31 eythian          Shit's weird
00:30 wizzyrea         i tease.
00:30 wizzyrea         ^.^
00:30 wizzyrea         have you gotten your head around your backwards seasons yet?
00:28 eythian          Yeah, it was nice for a week. But changing spring I guess.
00:28 wizzyrea         yeah it wasn't so pleasant this morning
00:27 wizzyrea         oo that's pretty cold eythian
00:27 aleisha_         its warm but it was drizzling before
00:27 wizzyrea         ! aleisha_ !
00:27 huginn`          eythian: The current temperature in Geuzenbuurt Amsterdam, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 5.2°C (1:26 AM CET on March 22, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
00:27 aleisha_         lots of heavy sighs and sadness on my end
00:27 eythian          @wunder Jordaan, ams
00:26 eythian          Wow
00:26 huginn`          wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (1:00 PM NZDT on March 22, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
00:26 wizzyrea         @wunder nzwn
00:26 wizzyrea         it's nearly hot here
00:26 eythian          Surprisingly wintery tonight
00:26 wizzyrea         how even.
00:26 wizzyrea         ow are your things
00:26 wizzyrea         things are ok :)
00:25 aleisha_         hows things
00:25 aleisha_         hi wizzyrea and eythian
00:25 wizzyrea         howdy aleisha
00:25 eythian          Hi aleisha_
00:24 aleisha_         hi all