Time  Nick            Message
21:37 huginn`         eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 7.0°C (10:25 PM CET on March 17, 2017). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
21:37 eythian         @wunder ams
21:19 huginn`         blou: The current temperature in Milton Park, Montréal, Quebec is -2.0°C (5:13 PM EDT on March 17, 2017). Conditions: . Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
21:19 blou            @weather h2c2r2
21:18 huginn`         blou: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
21:18 blou            @weather
21:18 blou            weather
21:18 blou            waehter
20:00 huginn`         eythian: The operation succeeded.
20:00 eythian         @later tell drojf https://owncloud.kallisti.net.nz/s/oga521eUGBHjQKX https://owncloud.kallisti.net.nz/s/2IuCDefvmsz79JP you should see if you can find and drink this because it's really good
18:30 wahanui         hey, kellym-lunch
18:30 kellym-lunch    hi
18:29 tcohen          hi kelly
18:18 kelly           hi jzairo
18:17 jzairo          HI Kelly and Adam from ARG!
18:17 kelly           hello !  Training Adam with ARG
17:31 Joubu           [off]I think [too much] beer is the factor for such a situation
17:28 * tcohen        had too much beer on his system for such a delicate operation
17:28 cait            yep
17:27 Joubu           If "it" happens again, please film ;)
17:25 * tcohen        barely remembers LibraryClaire joined him
17:24 wahanui         interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
17:24 cait            interesting
17:24 tcohen          he sings Britney Spears...
17:24 tcohen          oh yeah
17:23 cait            he knows about the good thing sin life
17:23 tcohen          :(
17:23 gaetan_B        see you next week in Marseille !
17:20 tcohen          cait: thank kidclamp :-D
17:20 cait            oh nice!
17:20 wahanui         rumour has it the like is hard to say, could adapt to yes, but doesn't feel intuitive
17:20 tcohen          or the like
17:20 tcohen          sudo service memcached restart; sudo koha-plack —restart kohadev ; sudo service apache2 restart
17:19 tcohen          for
17:19 tcohen          it is an alias
17:19 CrispyBran      will do
17:19 cait            oh what' sthat?
17:19 tcohen          CrispyBran: on your notes, write that you need to run 'restart_all' just in case
17:19 cait            probably would be a good habit to check for a database update (run the installer) every time you do a git pull
17:19 cait            unti it kicks in later on
17:19 CrispyBran      Adding it to my kohadevbox notes.
17:18 cait            with plack when you do a git pull it doens't notice that there is a database update
17:18 CrispyBran      ah
17:18 CrispyBran      Yes, that did the trick.  Not sure why it got bunged up in the first place.
17:18 cait            so that's what someone told me i think when i ran into it
17:18 cait            plack and kohadev always gave me trouble with that
17:18 CrispyBran      cait ^
17:18 tcohen          running updatedatabase.pl manually, inside koha-shell kohadev
17:16 CrispyBran      ??
17:16 cait            hm what?
17:12 CrispyBran      cait: that seems to have fixed it.  How did you do that?  ;)
17:08 tcohen          which is an alias
17:08 tcohen          or restart_all
17:03 Joubu           then restart memcached + plack (in this order)
17:03 Joubu           exit # to be logged in as vagrant
17:02 Joubu           perl installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl
17:02 Joubu           sudo koha-shell kohadev
17:02 Joubu           yes the reverse, execute the updatedb script manually then restart memcached + plack
17:02 CrispyBran      oleonard: using koha-shell?  Not familiar with this.  Sorry.  Still learning.
17:01 oleonard        CrispyBran: using koha-shell
17:01 Joubu           well done RM & RMaints ;)
16:59 cait            typing from memory :)
16:59 cait            CrispyBran: ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl or very similar
16:50 CrispyBran      cait: how do I run the webinstaller from cammand line?
16:46 CrispyBran      I have not run the webinstaller from command line before
16:46 cait            CrispyBran: try restarting plack and run the webinstaller from command line
16:45 huginn`         04Bug 18297: critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Clicking on Stage MARC records for import launches koha installer
16:45 CrispyBran      https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18297
16:41 CrispyBran      I'll check and report it.
16:41 oleonard        Not known to me
16:40 wahanui         known bug is, like, better than an unknown bug
16:40 CrispyBran      known bug?
16:40 oleonard        Yes
16:40 CrispyBran      oleonard: in kohadevbox when I go to "Stage MARC records for import", Koha throws me into the koha installer.  Are you seeing this on your end?
16:31 oleonard        destroying and starting over worked Joubu
16:16 Joubu           oleonard: you added the entry then restart memcached + plack and you still get the error?
16:02 reiveune        bye
15:59 oleonard        No luck :(
15:48 Joubu           in the config part
15:47 Joubu           yep
15:47 oleonard        I should have <dev_install>1</dev_install> Joubu?
15:42 Joubu           oleonard: check your dev_install entry in your koha-conf file, if you do not have it, add it and set it to 1
15:41 Joubu           which was? Upgrade all the customers?
15:41 * tcohen        goes back to his previous task
15:40 Joubu           tcohen: he said he restarted everything :)
15:40 Joubu           Ha, I guess it comes from the dev_install flag
15:40 tcohen          oleonard, try restart_all
15:39 Joubu           otherwise make sure the correct schema files are in used
15:39 Joubu           so restart plack should work
15:39 Joubu           I think this error is when the field is not known by dbic
15:38 Joubu           oleonard: do you see the fields in the borrowers and deletedborrowers tables?
15:31 oleonard        I've tried running updatedatabase manually and restarting all the relevant services
15:31 oleonard        I'm getting an error in my kohadevbox installation: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.overdrive_auth_token' in 'field list' at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Objects.pm line 83
15:03 cait            mtj++
14:05 mtj             ~/releases
14:05 khall1          can you tell me what dir you put it in?
14:05 mtj             yep
14:05 khall1          mtj: do you have the tarball for 16.05 uploaded yet?
14:02 cait            gmcharlt++
13:59 khall1          ah, so 16.05 is ready?
13:59 cait            khall1: ping
13:54 cait            ping gmcharlt
13:51 mtj             hiya, yeah.. all good :)
13:50 cait            it's awfully late for you!
13:50 cait            yay!
13:50 cait            hey
13:50 mtj             pushing
13:50 mtj             ping galen, jajm, cait - i might have some perm error with pishing to the kc.org git repo
12:55 blou            Seems they use marcedit a lot, which could be the cause of the problem if they played even once with 999$c or $d
12:54 blou            record number.  Sorry, didn't translate that part
12:54 blou            I think
12:54 blou            sn:123456
12:54 blou            no issue reported with just searching with names (otherwise, I'm sure I would have had to fix it AND create a wiki :) )
12:54 kivilahtio      what is a notice number?
12:53 blou            when searching by notice number.  It returns both (the matching biblio and the matching biblioitem)
12:53 kivilahtio      snap
12:53 kivilahtio      blou: maybe we don't have to fear then :)
12:53 blou            searches, on the other hand, gives an error
12:52 kivilahtio      thanks
12:52 blou            kivilahtio: Already got an answer:  They use Serials and Acqui, a lot, and never reported an issue.
12:52 blou            :)
12:51 Joubu           blou: if you do it, write a wiki page ;)
12:49 kivilahtio      blou: I did it but cant remember how anymore. I am pretty sure it was all one single SQL transaction
12:48 kivilahtio      blou: do not fall into despair
12:48 kivilahtio      blou: there arent that many
12:48 huginn`         eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 9.0°C (1:25 PM CET on March 17, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
12:48 eythian         @wunder ams
12:45 blou            Also: couldn't find an easy to fix that.  Allllllllll the tables that would need to be validated and resynched simultaneously... argh.
12:45 blou            I haven't explored since they reported no other problem than marcedit.
12:45 blou            Like I said: we have no idea how it happened.  Since it's only with recent items, I suspect some cataloguing or import that failed in the middle.
12:43 kivilahtio      blou: ok. thanks
12:43 blou            kivilahtio: email sent, I should have a response within an hour (search, acqui, serials).
12:40 blou            kivilahtio: I'll ask.  Serials.: I'm pretty sure.  Acqui, I don't know
12:39 kivilahtio      blou: do they use serials-module, or acquisitions?
12:39 kivilahtio      they are rather apparent
12:39 blou            I'll send an email right now
12:39 kivilahtio      blou: I would imagine they have identified issues if there ar any
12:39 blou            I could ask them to test today
12:39 kivilahtio      blou: nice
12:38 blou            They are in 3.22
12:38 blou            (And they sure are the type to find such bad search result)
12:38 kivilahtio      blou: but that is very old Koha already
12:38 kivilahtio      blou: we have this in 3.16
12:38 blou            they havent reported that issue
12:37 kivilahtio      blou: but this behaviour was with 3.16
12:37 wahanui         interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
12:37 blou            Interesting.
12:37 kivilahtio      you click a search result titled "Jane Doe" and get a detail view of "John Deer"
12:37 blou            But other than that, all normal usages are fine
12:37 blou            kivilahtio: I . don't.  Know.  But a "customer" asked us, because it caused problem when exporting to modify with MarcEdit.
12:37 kivilahtio      blou: the problem is that the results are not correct
12:37 Joubu           maybe it works I do not know, but reading the code, it should not
12:36 Joubu           blou: black magic? Hope you have an exorcist
12:36 kivilahtio      blou: maybe somebody fixed something :)
12:36 kivilahtio      blou: I don't know how it works for you
12:36 kivilahtio      :)
12:35 kivilahtio      but it has been 17 years Koha has been in existence
12:35 Joubu           and people working on this project for years agree with that
12:35 kivilahtio      Joubu: yes. Decision history looking forward 20 years too much :)
12:35 Joubu           and should be removed
12:35 Joubu           I think biblio and biblioitems tables are a decision history
12:35 blou            Jumping in, completely out of the loop, but : We got production instances where biblionnumber and biblioitemnumber are out of sync.  We don't know how it happened, but they work fine
12:35 kivilahtio      but maintain the distinctions of different type of metadata about a bibliographic record
12:34 Joubu           sorry, too early. I need tea, then I need to write patches
12:34 kivilahtio      I dont know why you have to move biblioitemnumber and biblionumber together every place, where it doesnät have any purpose
12:34 kivilahtio      instead of dropping biblioitems, switch all bibilinumber and biblioitemnumber refrence sto point into that
12:33 kivilahtio      one way or the other, it is a big change
12:33 kivilahtio      if you make changes to the way metadata is expressed in the DB you should go forward
12:32 kivilahtio      what I am concerned is that you maneuver to an awkward position using small steps.
12:32 kivilahtio      Joubu: it depends. Like I said earlier, you only need the biblio-column in cataloguing. Otherwise all fines, holds, acquisitions, subscriptions etc target the manifestation of work, the biblioitem
12:31 Joubu           you will need to make Koha works with the 2 fields out of sync
12:30 kivilahtio      You will need to anyway deal with a bibliographic record which comprises of multiple tables
12:30 kivilahtio      fix some DB columns
12:30 kivilahtio      this way you have a foothold to extend to Bibframe
12:29 kivilahtio      which is pretty much switching to use biblioitemnumber instead of biblionumber
12:28 tcohen          he
12:28 kivilahtio      it is a massive change, effort is better spent making a working distinction between work and manifestation
12:28 tcohen          good morning Joubu!
12:28 tcohen          create a biblioitems view for retro-compatibility!
12:28 Joubu           yes please
12:28 tcohen          get rid of biblioitems!
12:28 Joubu           DB structure is wrong
12:27 Joubu           kivilahtio: so why should complicate my life?
12:27 kivilahtio      Joubu: the point is preserving good DB structure
12:27 tcohen          morning
12:27 kivilahtio      Joubu: Koha has never worked with biblioitemnumber and biblionumber out of sync
12:26 oleonard        Hi #koha
12:20 Joubu           I will be really surprise if Koha works correctly with biblioitemnumber and biblionumber not in sync
12:20 francharb       o/ #koha
12:19 Joubu           in mind*
12:19 Joubu           kivilahtio: biblio and biblioitems must be merged together anyway (even if you have things like representation of work, frbr, etc.)
12:18 Joubu           kivilahtio: thanks for commenting
12:17 Joubu           hi #koha
12:11 drojf           hi #koha
11:53 rsantellan      good morning #koha
11:21 ashimema        In short.. we were allowing some references to leak
11:20 ashimema        Whilst I was working on implementing it into 3 apps here I found some bugs and irregularities with the subroutine signature which we both decided should be fixed before continuing.
11:19 ashimema        Lee is aiming to work on it during the perl QA hackathon in Lyon
11:19 ashimema        the ::OAuth2::Server lib i'm relying on is undergoing a fairly big change right at he minute too.. so I called off work until that's complete
11:18 ashimema        I have.. but I got bunged on another project for a week so i'm behind.. as usual :(
10:49 kivilahtio      ashimema: have you been working on the OAuth2 stuff?
10:41 * magnuse       is looking forward to next year
10:40 cait            but LibraryClaire will be there
10:40 cait            thx gaetan_B - will miss you all too
10:40 magnuse         awww...
10:39 gaetan_B        cait: i just saw you're not comoing to the hackfest! what a strange hackfest will it be without you and magnuse!
10:02 huginn`         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (10:50 AM CET on March 17, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 28.71 in 972 hPa (Steady).
10:02 magnuse         @wunder enbo
09:41 wahanui         LibraryClaire is the monster under my bed
09:41 LibraryClaire   me?
09:40 wahanui         ouch!
09:40 * LibraryClaire pokes wahanui
08:18 gaetan_B        hello
08:12 wahanui         thanks LibraryClaire :)
08:12 LibraryClaire   wahanui: botsnack ice cream
08:12 * LibraryClaire hugs wahanui
08:00 wahanui         eythian: excuse me?
08:00 eythian         wahanui: your back, it has a spider on it
07:59 wahanui         eythian: excuse me?
07:59 eythian         wahanui: you're back!
07:59 wahanui         privet, eythian
07:59 eythian         wahanui: hello
07:47 matts           hi !
07:47 fridolin        hie tehre
07:41 reiveune        hello
07:09 LibraryClaire   morning #koha
07:05 alex_a          bonjour
06:56 * magnuse       waves
06:01 kivilahtio      is prove t/db_dependent/Koha ever ran on the community Jenkins?
04:46 kivilahtio      now you bring us down even deeper
04:45 kivilahtio      biblio is a abstract form of metadata out of metadata
04:45 kivilahtio      biblioitemnumber points to the real manifestation of work which has items and acquisitions and subscriptions etc
04:45 kivilahtio      biblionumber should be only relevant in cataloguing and search context
04:45 kivilahtio      Joubu: I told you do as you please. I strongly disagree about removing biblioitems-linkage.
03:35 mtj             thanks again for your help :0)
03:34 mtj             cya wiz, have a good one
03:32 wizzyrea        oh I forgot some macrons. curses.
03:31 wizzyrea        anyway, ka kite ano, nga hoa!
03:31 jcamins         Hehe.
03:31 wizzyrea        hehe it was bombay, not super amazing gin but not terrible. Slightly better than that made in a bathtub.
03:31 mtj             jcamins: agree btw ^ :)
03:30 mtj             np, ill try a proper 'vagrant destroy ; vagrant up' later wizzyrea
03:29 jcamins         ^^ obviously the important question
03:29 jcamins         wizzyrea: what kind of gin?
03:27 wizzyrea        sorry mtj, the neuron that the solution for that lives on, I think I killed it with gin earlier this week. :(
03:25 mtj             yes, plack is confirmed disabled
03:24 * wizzyrea      has to go soon
03:24 wizzyrea        ps ax | grep starman has no output?
03:23 wizzyrea        it's not running at all
03:23 wizzyrea        are you absolutely sure your plack is disabled?
03:23 mtj             hmm, still the same :(
03:22 pastebot        "mtj" at pasted "kohadevbox error" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/343
03:18 mtj             me just rebooted vm
03:18 wizzyrea        yeah it's dying at the same spot
03:18 mtj             ooh, very close tho... line 101
03:16 wizzyrea        but it's not quite the same
03:16 wizzyrea        this was on the list earlier
03:16 wizzyrea        http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/file/n5925182/Software_Error.jpg
03:16 wizzyrea        mysql version? maybe jessie just got 5.7?
03:15 wizzyrea        has to be your environment then, though someone just posted about that -ish error on the list
03:14 mtj             master, 16.11, and 16.5
03:13 wizzyrea        or just master?
03:13 wizzyrea        are you at a specific commit?
03:13 mtj             yeah... done all at jazz twice
03:12 wizzyrea        like plack was running or memcached needed to be restarted after a pull
03:12 mtj             ah yeah, .. jessie
03:12 wizzyrea        it was something dumb
03:12 wizzyrea        i mean maybe I have but if I have
03:12 wizzyrea        no, I'm sorry I have'nt seen that one
03:12 wizzyrea        naw I meant the virtualmachine
03:12 mtj             oh.. osx
03:11 mtj             debian stable (of course)
03:11 wizzyrea        what is the base os of this particular devbox?
03:10 mtj             ive disabled plack already
03:10 mtj             it bombs on 'step 3' of the install
03:10 wizzyrea        where you need to disable plack to go through the web installer
03:10 wizzyrea        mtj do you have a similar problem to dilan?
03:10 mtj             ..on an empty db
03:09 mtj             DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Table 'koha_kohadev.search_field' doesn't exist at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Objects.pm line 101
03:09 mtj             speaking of kohadevbox.. has anyone seen this error during the web install..?
02:39 dilan           thanks so much for that
02:38 dilan           worked like a charm :)
02:31 wizzyrea        and stuff.
02:31 wizzyrea        so you can see your changes.
02:30 wizzyrea        koha-plack --restart kohadev && sudo service memcached restart
02:30 wizzyrea        yeah, you're gonna want to get familiar with
02:30 wizzyrea        :)
02:30 wizzyrea        the web installer isn't fantastically plack compatible
02:30 dilan           that would explain a lot haha
02:30 wizzyrea        yes, they are
02:30 wizzyrea        again after you enable plack
02:29 wizzyrea        and sudo service apache2ctl restart
02:29 dilan           okay ill give it a go
02:29 dilan           the devboxes are plackified upon spin up?
02:29 wizzyrea        and sudo service memcached restart
02:29 wizzyrea        then sudo koha-plack --enable kohadev
02:29 wizzyrea        go through the web installer again
02:29 wizzyrea        sudo apache2ctl restart
02:29 wizzyrea        do sudo koha-plack --disable kohadev
02:28 wizzyrea        is in your devbox
02:28 wizzyrea        probably what you need to do
02:28 wizzyrea        or something like
02:28 wizzyrea        or update your master branch
02:27 wizzyrea        maybe did you pull a new version recently?
02:27 dilan           yes
02:27 wizzyrea        ok, have you gone through the web installer?
02:27 dilan           nope
02:27 dilan           1 sec let me try
02:27 wizzyrea        ?
02:27 wizzyrea        without being redirected to the web installers
02:26 wizzyrea        can you do other stuff?
02:26 dilan           *anyone else
02:26 dilan           has anyone seen else had this happen to them?
02:26 dilan           no matter how many times it completes successfully it never brings me to the actual screen
02:25 dilan           hey guys i keep getting redirected to the web installer every time i try to stage a marc record for import in my devbox
01:54 kathryn         that's is my feel-good Friday moment :D
01:53 kathryn         hi I wanted to pass along a great quote from a new Koha library I visited today: "we deleted half of our user documentation, because Koha is so intuitive" Thanks for that, everyone!