Time Nick Message 06:40 drojf hi #koha 07:05 LibraryClaire morning #koha 07:05 * magnuzzz waves 07:05 magnuzzz ...and then wakes up 07:05 LibraryClaire hah 07:05 LibraryClaire morning magnuse 07:06 magnuse guten morgen BüchereiKlara 07:14 josef_moravec morning #koha 07:14 LibraryClaire hi josef_moravec 07:15 josef_moravec hi LibraryClaire 07:22 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:22 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Berlin, Germany is -6.5°C (8:18 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:22 drojf eeek 07:28 LibraryClaire moin drojf 07:28 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz 07:28 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 4.7°C (8:23 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 07:30 drojf hi LibraryClaire 07:30 drojf you have like 10 more °. that's unfair 07:30 drojf 11 even 07:31 LibraryClaire wecome to the south 07:31 LibraryClaire we have light freezing fog 07:33 drojf you can keep that, i just want your ° 07:33 drojf :P 07:36 drojf how is that fog freezing at ~5° anyway? 07:36 LibraryClaire i dunno, felt like wet fog to me 07:43 magnuse @wunder enbo 07:43 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 07:43 magnuse windchill-- 08:03 fridolin hie tehjre 08:03 fridolin last day for me in wintercamp, biers where realy good ;) 08:04 LibraryClaire hey fridolin 08:04 wahanui somebody said fridolin was busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix 08:04 LibraryClaire what is wintercamp? 08:12 reiveune hello 08:20 LibraryClaire hey reiveune 08:20 wahanui reiveune is working for biblibre 08:21 * LibraryClaire throws stick 08:21 LibraryClaire wahanui fetch 08:21 wahanui fetch is working for me tcohen 08:27 mtj ping drojf, abouty ? 08:28 drojf mtj: kind of 08:30 mtj hiya, have you played with prove -j 9 , when building packages? 08:33 drojf ot that i know. the build process runs the tests automatically, not sure what the parameters are 08:33 drojf *not 08:33 mtj we seem to get a nice speedup for building and test-suite, by running jobs in parallel 08:35 drojf thanks, i'll see what is in there and if i can tweak it 08:35 drojf *and see 08:35 drojf 9 is number of cores then? 08:36 mtj number of jobs 08:39 mtj i get the same time using 4 or 9 .. on a 4 core vm 08:40 drojf yep i guess more than one job per core does not make it faster 08:42 mtj prove -j 4 ./t reduced from 126 to 30 secs 08:42 mtj ..seems promising :p 08:47 drojf indeed! 08:47 drojf i think the nightly server only has one core. but my build vm should have two, maybe 4 threads 08:50 magnuse mtj++ for that nugget of information 08:51 cait what are you guys talking about? :) 08:52 mtj perhaps speeding up the koha tests 08:52 mtj .would be handy for hudson builds and packages 08:53 mtj http://blogs.perl.org/users/ovid/2013/12/merry-christmas-parallel-testing-with-testclassmoose-has-arrived.html 08:54 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B 08:57 mtj https://saucelabs.com/blog/running-your-selenium-tests-in-parallel-perl 09:01 mtj http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17128354/can-testclass-tests-be-run-in-parallel-or-how-to-factor-out-superclass-tests 09:01 cait ah :) 09:05 mtj t/db_dependent/00-strict.t (and similar) could be a big win for a parallel/threads tweak 09:14 eythian hi 09:16 eythian @wunder ams 09:16 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 7.0°C (9:55 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 09:16 eythian 100% humidity, and it doesn't even look foggy. 09:16 LibraryClaire hi eythian 09:17 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz 09:17 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 5.2°C (10:13 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 09:17 eythian hello LibraryClaire 09:17 mtj prove -j 4 t/db_dependent reduced from 4m13, to 1m18 09:17 mtj hiya eythian :0) 09:18 mtj ..hows your rpi supercomputer project going? 09:20 eythian mtj: no rpis involved! 09:20 eythian I need to do some more work on it though, still need to make a new kernel. 09:22 mtj you are using something similar to an rpi? .. or all virtual machines? 09:22 eythian https://getchip.com/pages/chip <-- a pile of these 09:25 mtj woah.. amazing 09:38 mtj i think im gonna have to buy one myself eythian - a pocketchip 09:39 eythian yeah, they're kinda neat. 09:39 eythian though, it's probably worth putting a couple of regular chips into the order to make the shipping more worthwhile :) 09:40 mtj the guy who did pico8 is from nz 09:40 mtj yes ^ 10:24 marcelr hi #koha 10:26 eythian hoi marcelr 10:26 marcelr hi eythian 11:02 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 11:02 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Berlin, Germany is -0.8°C (11:58 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 11:08 marcelr hi drojf 11:15 marcelr thx Joubu++ 11:16 Joubu marcelr: you are welcome! 11:31 marcelr brb 11:40 marcelr back 11:42 drojf coffee! 11:45 marcelr good idea 11:45 marcelr drojf: i have another sec bug for you ? 11:46 marcelr did you see it? 11:46 marcelr 18010 11:46 drojf i'll have a look 11:47 marcelr that would be great 11:52 drojf marcelr: t/db_dependent/Templates.t still fails for me with the second patch 11:52 marcelr let me look 11:54 marcelr which one exactly 11:54 marcelr my test passes 11:55 pastebot "drojf" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha-koha@jessie:/home/mirko/k" (58 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/297 11:56 drojf marcelr: ^ 11:59 Joubu pass for me 12:00 Joubu drojf: with the 2 patches applied? 12:00 Joubu (just in case ;)) 12:00 drojf yes 12:01 marcelr current master? 12:01 drojf yes 12:01 drojf hm 12:01 drojf i ran it in koha-shell on a gitified vm 12:02 marcelr gsm 12:02 marcelr oops 12:02 drojf very short passwort 12:02 drojf d 12:02 marcelr no 12:03 Joubu you forgot x 12:03 marcelr ?? 12:04 Joubu gms looks like regex modifiers, it is always better to have x as well 12:04 marcelr ah 12:05 marcelr drojf: it sounds like your path goes to the older Templates.pm? can you check , add a debug warn or so 12:06 Joubu yes I do not understand how you can have a different behavior unless you are not using the patched files 12:06 drojf marcelr: ok, but i broke koha-common now so i got to fix that first 12:06 marcelr it must be the path 12:08 drojf can't install the nightly. interesting 12:09 marcelr drojf: any relation to <dev_install> suspected in koha-conf.xml ? 12:13 marcelr Joubu: about bug 15545 (hmm), would you mind passing qa on the second patch only when I just remove the call to IsHoldNoteRequired and leave it 0 as a first step ? second patch is also cleaning up the template 12:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15545 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Optionally make hold notes required when placing a hold (via Koha::Plugin) 12:15 Joubu marcelr: I'd prefer someone else to add QA stamp on this one, sorry 12:17 Joubu marcelr: please do not hate me 12:17 Joubu marcelr: ⤠12:18 Joubu :) 12:20 drojf marcelr: sorry nightly is broken and my dev vm and i don't have time to look into this atm because it will probably take forever, like everything in koha that looks like it can be tested in 5 minutes 12:20 * drojf sighs 12:20 drojf and burns the vm 12:20 drojf and the nightlies 12:20 drojf and blames trump 12:38 tcohen hola #koha 12:43 LibraryClaire hola tcohen 12:44 marcelr hi LibraryClaire and tcohen 12:44 LibraryClaire hey marcelr 12:49 * cait waves 12:49 drojf hi cait 12:49 tcohen hi cait drojf 12:50 drojf hi tcohen 12:50 oleonard Hi all 12:50 LibraryClaire hi oleonard 12:50 wahanui hi oleopard 12:50 * magnuse waves 12:50 tcohen hi jenkins 12:52 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #102: ABORTED in 1 min 29 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/102/ 13:30 * oleonard too sleepy 13:31 edveal Hello 13:31 wahanui bonjour, edveal 13:33 * LibraryClaire waits for oleonard to fall asleep, marker pen at the ready 13:33 oleonard oi 13:36 * cait better never falls aslep on the desk ... 13:37 LibraryClaire :) 13:40 * oleonard waits for a mustache wax update from kidclamp 13:40 kidclamp things are all set oleonard, I refilled my two tins and about 5 chapstick tubes as an experiment - new wax is very beeswaxy 13:40 kidclamp thanks for asking 13:41 oleonard It was foremost in my mind. 13:41 * LibraryClaire had also wondered about this 13:42 * LibraryClaire considers growing a moustache 13:43 kidclamp it's a terrible addiction LibraryClaire, don't do it 13:45 oleonard Think of how much work kidclamp would get done if he weren't twirling his mustache menacingly all the time. 13:46 * LibraryClaire twirls imaginary moustache 13:46 kidclamp at this point oleonard I have to tie at least 1 person to railroad tracks a week or I don't feel right 13:46 oleonard Okay actually that looks good on you LibraryClaire, go for it. 13:47 LibraryClaire :D 13:47 LibraryClaire cait is shaking her head at me 13:47 cait nope please 13:47 wahanui nope is http://i.imgur.com/flFgB.gif 13:48 LibraryClaire kidclamp I hope you have been practising your dastardly laugh too 13:48 kidclamp yeah, I hope to rival larryb someday - he has very villiany cats too 13:58 drojf bye #koha 14:11 kellym good morning! 14:11 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes 14:50 cait tcohen: around? 14:52 tcohen cait: sort of 14:52 tcohen whatsup 14:54 cait tcohen: koha-indexer 14:54 wahanui koha-indexer is a helper script for packages 14:54 cait when you reboot... it's gone? is that normal or are we missing something? 14:54 tcohen what about it 14:54 tcohen ah 14:55 tcohen look at /etc/init.d/koha-common 14:55 tcohen it calls something like 14:55 cait we are trying to activate it in 3.22 i shoudl say, but I haven't seen more work for later versions i think 14:55 tcohen koha-indexer --start $(koha-list --enabled) 14:55 tcohen ^^ that command is conditional to what you have in /etc/defaults/koha-common 14:56 cait sorry, trying to wrap my head around it 14:56 tcohen 91 if [ "$USE_INDEXER_DAEMON" = "yes" ]; then 14:56 tcohen 92 koha-indexer --restart --quiet $(koha-list --enabled) 14:56 tcohen 93 fi 14:57 tcohen that's for restarting 14:57 tcohen but it is the same 14:57 tcohen fro --start 14:57 tcohen koha-indexer is a shell script 14:57 tcohen that takes care of launching rebuild_zebra.pl -d (daemonized) 14:57 cait ok, u. said he solved it :) 14:57 cait it seems we had to chagne do yes 14:57 cait in .default 14:57 cait coudl that be it? 14:58 tcohen if you don't change defaults/koha-common 14:58 tcohen then you need to do it manually 14:58 tcohen exactly 14:58 tcohen :-D 14:58 cait i've just tested it in our biggest library - it's wonderful 14:58 tcohen cait: it took you 2 years to trust me! 14:58 tcohen :-P 14:59 cait it still has the 'experimental' flag in our version :) 14:59 cait took me a while to persuade 15:00 tcohen heh 15:00 tcohen glad to hear 15:00 tcohen you managed to 15:02 cait has it ever died for you? or stable? 15:02 tcohen I never had it die 15:16 kidclamp brb 15:18 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #103: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/103/ 15:40 reiveune bye 15:45 LibraryClaire laters #koha 15:49 rod hii 15:49 rod alguem do brasil?? 15:49 andreashm hi all 15:50 tcohen rod: argentina? 15:50 andreashm tcohen: were you able to fix that issue with kohadevbox that was mentioned on devel? 15:51 rod I thought I would not find a server that still existed user 15:51 andreashm I had problems with mine, so I did a vagrant destroy and started a new one. had the same problem as the guy on the mailinglist. just tryig to continue with vagrant provision doesn't work, it creates more issues (now its Install testing dependencies (cpanm) that fails) 15:53 tcohen andreashm: that test deps step fails regularly 15:53 tcohen and is unrelated 15:53 tcohen just keep provisioning 15:53 andreashm ok. but it stops the ansible playbook. how can I continue? 15:53 andreashm alright, back at it then! 15:53 andreashm =) 15:53 tcohen vagrant provision 15:53 tcohen :-D 15:54 tcohen I will provide the fix for kohadevbox ASAP once I finish something I'm stuck with :-( 15:54 * andreashm thinks it will take, oh, perhaps 6 provisions. =) 15:55 andreashm yay, it went past it! 15:55 andreashm thanks tcohen! 15:55 andreashm tcohen++ 15:55 tcohen maybe while (not $(vagrant provision)) do skip; done 15:55 tcohen jaja 15:57 andreashm was there a meeting yesterday? 15:57 tcohen yes, a general meeting 15:57 wahanui i think a general meeting is 8 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC 15:57 tcohen wahanui: you are outdated 15:57 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot...|rumoured to be a sentient bot with sass|<reply> an extremely creepy stalker bot.... you have been warned|a parrot|<reply> wrong|<reply> on fire|<reply> gaining knowledge faster than sustainable|canadian|google|<reply> wahanui couldn't be bothered to show up|laser kiwi of the bo 15:59 * andreashm goes looking through the logs 15:59 * andreashm misses all the meeting these days. sigh. 16:04 cait hey andre :) 16:04 cait hey andreashm :) 16:07 andreashm hi cait! 16:07 andreashm what's up? 16:08 Arianit Hi, Do Koha and Aleph talk to each other in any way? Would need to connect an Aleph and a Koha branch for example regarding ILL or being able to read what is in each other's catalog. Is there documentation about this? 16:08 * andreashm is apparently very bad at writing SQL reports. Had one that accidently ran at our production server and created a 126 GB temp file, before the process was killed. =) 16:08 tcohen Arianit: 'talk' is too vague 16:13 andreashm I know its a big no-no to change the Default framework, but just hiding some fields shouldn't be a problem right? Just unchecking Editor for the fields we want hidden (from items/952), right? 16:15 magnuse andreashm: yeah, hiding should be ok 16:15 magnuse deleting things might have consequences 16:16 andreashm thanks magnuse! 16:16 andreashm hi btw! =) 16:16 Arianit tcohen: can they exchange data of any sort? 16:17 Arianit ideally would be considering each other as branches of a library system 16:27 cait andreashm: we hide things there all the time - should ot give you any trouble :) 16:40 andreashm cait: thanks! 16:42 andreashm bye #koha 19:11 rangi morning 19:16 cait morning rangi 19:18 kidclamp hi rangi cat 19:19 eythian wahanui: rangi is not usually a cat 19:19 wahanui ...but rangi is <reply> I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!|<reply> I like cupcakes, cupcakes are good.... 19:20 rangi heh 19:22 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 19:25 kidclamp heh, oops 19:31 cait hi kidclamp ;) 19:32 kidclamp hi cait cat 19:32 mtompset Greetings, kidclamp cait 19:34 mtompset Have a great day, #koha cait kidclamp 19:36 * oleonard waves to rangi 20:27 bag I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!| hehe I still remember that - I can’t eat almonds without giggling about that 20:28 liw @wunder brussels 20:28 huginn liw: Error: No such location could be found. 20:33 eythian liw: going to FOSDEM eh? 20:36 liw eythian, aya, are you? 20:40 eythian liw: no, but I should have. Will have to go next year. 20:41 liw eythian, I'm afraid I can't stay there to wait for you then, but you can always visit Finland during the summer 20:42 eythian Ah, you're back there? Maybe I should visit some time. 20:42 liw been back in fi since 2014 :) 20:42 liw but I rarely advertise my personal life in public 20:47 eythian I probably wasn't paying much attention, too :) 20:52 * wizzycray suddenly misses eythian very much 20:53 eythian wizzycray: going to FOSDEM won't help it turns out ;) 20:53 wizzycray ^.^ 22:13 Francesca hey wizzyrea if you're there 22:13 Francesca a question for you: if a book doesn't have a ISBN or ISSN do I catalog it? 22:14 Francesca I've got a couple up here with part numbers 22:14 wizzycray yep, you just leave that off 22:14 wizzycray of the record you create 22:15 Francesca k 22:15 Francesca thanks 22:19 Francesca also when a book/manual has many many authors for like different things ie writing, editing, project managment 22:19 Francesca do I include all on the record? 22:19 Francesca ^wizzyrea 22:19 wizzycray yeah, that's a special cataloguing case 22:19 wizzycray you don't have a ztarget record for it? 22:20 Francesca nope 22:20 wizzycray bleh. 22:20 Francesca yeah 22:20 wizzycray just bring it down with you 22:20 Francesca k 22:20 * Francesca moves on 22:25 Francesca wizzycray: another question sorry 22:26 Francesca what do I do with art/photography books 22:26 wizzycray I'll come up there ;) 22:26 Francesca ok 22:26 Francesca sorry 22:26 Francesca but thanks! 22:32 * dcook feels like Francesca is asking all the tough questions 22:32 * dcook waves to andreashm 22:32 * Francesca waves at dcook 22:33 andreashm hi dcook! 22:36 dcook heya andreashm and Francesca :) 22:36 Francesca sup 22:37 Francesca long time no see/speak 22:39 dcook ikr? 22:39 dcook Mm busy busy 22:39 dcook Being a dad is awesome 22:39 dcook Time consuming but awesome 22:40 andreashm hehe 22:40 dcook How about you, Francesca? Cataloguing books? 22:40 Francesca yup 22:40 Francesca currently doing level 9 22:40 * andreashm is reading an e-mail from dcook, that he forgot to look at earlier. 22:41 dcook Level 9? 22:41 dcook andreashm: :D 22:41 Francesca dcook: I'm at work/catalyst 22:42 Francesca I'm up on lvl 9 cataloging their books 22:45 dcook Ahh, I figured that must be what you meant 22:45 dcook Although I thought maybe you meant the encoding level of the cataloguing! 22:45 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html 22:45 Francesca lol nope 22:45 dcook But 8 is as high as it goes! 22:45 wizzycray ha, no 22:45 dcook (or as low as it goes I guess) 22:46 andreashm The power of level 9! 22:46 dcook One of these days, I'll have to come and visit the Catalyst office in Wellington! 22:46 Francesca you should! 22:46 dcook Actually, I could visit the one in Sydney. I think I met someone from there a while ago.. 22:46 andreashm dcook: or come to europe! =) 22:46 Francesca ohh europe 22:46 dcook andreashm: I love that idea 22:46 Francesca where abouts in europe? 22:46 Francesca I'll come too 22:46 dcook Francesca: andreashm is in Sweden :) 22:46 dcook Or... was? 22:46 andreashm Sweden originally, Switzerland at the moment. 22:46 dcook Actually, where are you located these days? You seem to often be hoping around 22:47 dcook Ahh 22:47 dcook Permanent relocation? 22:47 andreashm yes, was. wil be back in august though (probably) 22:47 dcook ahh 22:47 andreashm will 22:47 dcook Whereabouts in Switzerland? 22:47 Francesca Switzerland and Sweden are pretty cool places 22:47 * Francesca has never been 22:47 * dcook likes Switzerland but has never been to Sweden.. 22:47 andreashm Sion, in Valais (south-west, French speaking) 22:48 dcook Interesting location. There for family? 22:49 andreashm My wife has a post doc position here. 22:49 andreashm Me and the family is tagging along. 22:50 dcook Ahh. Very cool :) 22:51 andreashm Yup. Have had a nice time here, but am looking forward to coming home now. 22:51 dcook I know the feeling. It was good visiting Canada, but it's nice being back in Australia. 22:52 Francesca ohhh canada 22:52 Francesca I like canada 22:52 Francesca my stepfather is canadian 22:52 Francesca we had christmas there one year and it was awesome 22:53 andreashm nice 22:53 dcook I really like Christmas in Canada :) 22:53 dcook Fortunately, we missed the -40 weather by a few days 22:53 andreashm lucky there! 22:53 andreashm Where in Canada? 22:53 dcook And now my wife has had her first white Christmas, I think she might want it to be her last :p 22:54 dcook andreashm: Saskatchewan 22:54 wahanui rumour has it Saskatchewan is warmer than the East for once 22:54 * dcook wonders who wrote that.. 22:54 andreashm =) 22:54 * andreashm is innocent 22:54 Francesca Saskatchewan is a cool name 22:55 dcook Hmm looks like I said something about this in 2013.. 22:56 andreashm Pretty far north 22:57 andreashm unless you where right by the us border I guess. =) 22:58 dcook Francesca: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan#Etymology 22:58 dcook andreashm: I guess we were still fairly south. Probably... 6 hours from the border? 22:58 andreashm I take that back! 22:58 Francesca ohh cool link 22:58 dcook Looks like we were the bottom 1/3 :p 22:59 dcook Most Canadians live quite close to the US border really 23:00 dcook There are some interesting town names in Saskatchewan as well.. 23:00 dcook I always found this one odd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandahar,_Saskatchewan 23:00 dcook Although looking at the link, now I know why it has that name! 23:00 dcook Lots of Scandinavian immigrants in Saskatchewan actually 23:01 dcook One of my family branches came from Norway 23:02 dcook For sci fi nerds: 23:02 dcook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endeavour,_Saskatchewan 23:02 dcook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama,_Saskatchewan 23:02 dcook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama 23:03 dcook The proximity of the towns Endeavour and Rama is surely coincidental with the space ships Rama and Endeavour in the novel Rendezvous with Rama. But it's a coincidence that tickles me. 23:03 dcook </trivia> 23:03 Francesca lol