Time  Nick            Message
06:40 drojf           hi #koha
07:05 LibraryClaire   morning #koha
07:05 * magnuzzz      waves
07:05 magnuzzz        ...and then wakes up
07:05 LibraryClaire   hah
07:05 LibraryClaire   morning magnuse
07:06 magnuse         guten morgen BüchereiKlara
07:14 josef_moravec   morning #koha
07:14 LibraryClaire   hi josef_moravec
07:15 josef_moravec   hi LibraryClaire
07:22 drojf           @wunder berlin, germany
07:22 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Berlin, Germany is -6.5°C (8:18 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:22 drojf           eeek
07:28 LibraryClaire   moin drojf
07:28 LibraryClaire   @wunder konstanz
07:28 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 4.7°C (8:23 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:30 drojf           hi LibraryClaire
07:30 drojf           you have like 10 more °. that's unfair
07:30 drojf           11 even
07:31 LibraryClaire   wecome to the south
07:31 LibraryClaire   we have light freezing fog
07:33 drojf           you can keep that, i just want your °
07:33 drojf           :P
07:36 drojf           how is that fog freezing at ~5° anyway?
07:36 LibraryClaire   i dunno, felt like wet fog to me
07:43 magnuse         @wunder enbo
07:43 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
07:43 magnuse         windchill--
08:03 fridolin        hie tehjre
08:03 fridolin        last day for me in wintercamp, biers where realy good ;)
08:04 LibraryClaire   hey fridolin
08:04 wahanui         somebody said fridolin was busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix
08:04 LibraryClaire   what is wintercamp?
08:12 reiveune        hello
08:20 LibraryClaire   hey reiveune
08:20 wahanui         reiveune is working for biblibre
08:21 * LibraryClaire throws stick
08:21 LibraryClaire   wahanui fetch
08:21 wahanui         fetch is working for me tcohen
08:27 mtj             ping drojf, abouty ?
08:28 drojf           mtj: kind of
08:30 mtj             hiya, have you played with prove -j 9 , when building packages?
08:33 drojf           ot that i know. the build process runs the tests automatically, not sure what the parameters are
08:33 drojf           *not
08:33 mtj             we seem to get a nice speedup for building and test-suite, by running jobs in parallel
08:35 drojf           thanks, i'll see what is in there and if i can tweak it
08:35 drojf           *and see
08:35 drojf           9 is number of cores then?
08:36 mtj             number of jobs
08:39 mtj             i get the same time using 4 or 9 .. on a 4 core vm
08:40 drojf           yep i guess more than one job per core does not make it faster
08:42 mtj             prove -j 4 ./t  reduced from 126 to 30 secs
08:42 mtj             ..seems promising :p
08:47 drojf           indeed!
08:47 drojf           i think the nightly server only has one core. but my build vm should have two, maybe 4 threads
08:50 magnuse         mtj++ for that nugget of information
08:51 cait            what are you guys talking about? :)
08:52 mtj             perhaps speeding up the koha tests
08:52 mtj             .would be handy for hudson builds and packages
08:53 mtj             http://blogs.perl.org/users/ovid/2013/12/merry-christmas-parallel-testing-with-testclassmoose-has-arrived.html
08:54 magnuse         bonjour gaetan_B
08:57 mtj             https://saucelabs.com/blog/running-your-selenium-tests-in-parallel-perl
09:01 mtj             http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17128354/can-testclass-tests-be-run-in-parallel-or-how-to-factor-out-superclass-tests
09:01 cait            ah :)
09:05 mtj             t/db_dependent/00-strict.t  (and similar) could be a big win for a parallel/threads tweak
09:14 eythian         hi
09:16 eythian         @wunder ams
09:16 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 7.0°C (9:55 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
09:16 eythian         100% humidity, and it doesn't even look foggy.
09:16 LibraryClaire   hi eythian
09:17 LibraryClaire   @wunder konstanz
09:17 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 5.2°C (10:13 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
09:17 eythian         hello LibraryClaire
09:17 mtj             prove -j 4  t/db_dependent reduced from 4m13, to 1m18
09:17 mtj             hiya eythian :0)
09:18 mtj             ..hows your rpi supercomputer project going?
09:20 eythian         mtj: no rpis involved!
09:20 eythian         I need to do some more work on it though, still need to make a new kernel.
09:22 mtj             you are using something similar to an rpi? .. or all virtual machines?
09:22 eythian         https://getchip.com/pages/chip <-- a pile of these
09:25 mtj             woah.. amazing
09:38 mtj             i think im gonna have to buy one myself eythian - a pocketchip
09:39 eythian         yeah, they're kinda neat.
09:39 eythian         though, it's probably worth putting a couple of regular chips into the order to make the shipping more worthwhile :)
09:40 mtj             the guy who did pico8 is from nz
09:40 mtj             yes ^
10:24 marcelr         hi #koha
10:26 eythian         hoi marcelr
10:26 marcelr         hi eythian
11:02 drojf           @wunder berlin, germany
11:02 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Berlin, Germany is -0.8°C (11:58 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
11:08 marcelr         hi drojf
11:15 marcelr         thx Joubu++
11:16 Joubu           marcelr: you are welcome!
11:31 marcelr         brb
11:40 marcelr         back
11:42 drojf           coffee!
11:45 marcelr         good idea
11:45 marcelr         drojf: i have another sec bug for you ?
11:46 marcelr         did you see it?
11:46 marcelr         18010
11:46 drojf           i'll have a look
11:47 marcelr         that would be great
11:52 drojf           marcelr: t/db_dependent/Templates.t still fails for me with the second patch
11:52 marcelr         let me look
11:54 marcelr         which one exactly
11:54 marcelr         my test passes
11:55 pastebot        "drojf" at pasted "koha-koha@jessie:/home/mirko/k" (58 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/297
11:56 drojf           marcelr: ^
11:59 Joubu           pass for me
12:00 Joubu           drojf: with the 2 patches applied?
12:00 Joubu           (just in case ;))
12:00 drojf           yes
12:01 marcelr         current master?
12:01 drojf           yes
12:01 drojf           hm
12:01 drojf           i ran it in koha-shell on a gitified vm
12:02 marcelr         gsm
12:02 marcelr         oops
12:02 drojf           very short passwort
12:02 drojf           d
12:02 marcelr         no
12:03 Joubu           you forgot x
12:03 marcelr         ??
12:04 Joubu           gms looks like regex modifiers, it is always better to have x as well
12:04 marcelr         ah
12:05 marcelr         drojf: it sounds like your path goes to the older Templates.pm? can you check , add a debug warn or so
12:06 Joubu           yes I do not understand how you can have a different behavior unless you are not using the patched files
12:06 drojf           marcelr: ok, but i broke koha-common now so i got to fix that first
12:06 marcelr         it must be the path
12:08 drojf           can't install the nightly. interesting
12:09 marcelr         drojf: any relation to <dev_install> suspected in koha-conf.xml ?
12:13 marcelr         Joubu: about bug 15545 (hmm), would you mind passing qa on the second patch only when I just remove the call to IsHoldNoteRequired and leave it 0 as a first step ? second patch is also cleaning up the template
12:13 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15545 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Optionally make hold notes required when placing a hold (via Koha::Plugin)
12:15 Joubu           marcelr: I'd prefer someone else to add QA stamp on this one, sorry
12:17 Joubu           marcelr: please do not hate me
12:17 Joubu           marcelr: ❤
12:18 Joubu           :)
12:20 drojf           marcelr: sorry nightly is broken and my dev vm and i don't have time to look into this atm because it will probably take forever, like everything in koha that looks like it can be tested in 5 minutes
12:20 * drojf         sighs
12:20 drojf           and burns the vm
12:20 drojf           and the nightlies
12:20 drojf           and blames trump
12:38 tcohen          hola #koha
12:43 LibraryClaire   hola tcohen
12:44 marcelr         hi LibraryClaire and tcohen
12:44 LibraryClaire   hey marcelr
12:49 * cait          waves
12:49 drojf           hi cait
12:49 tcohen          hi cait drojf
12:50 drojf           hi tcohen
12:50 oleonard        Hi all
12:50 LibraryClaire   hi oleonard
12:50 wahanui         hi oleopard
12:50 * magnuse       waves
12:50 tcohen          hi jenkins
12:52 jenkins         Project Koha_Master_D8 build #102: ABORTED in 1 min 29 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/102/
13:30 * oleonard      too sleepy
13:31 edveal          Hello
13:31 wahanui         bonjour, edveal
13:33 * LibraryClaire waits for oleonard to fall asleep, marker pen at the ready
13:33 oleonard        oi
13:36 * cait          better never falls aslep on the desk ...
13:37 LibraryClaire   :)
13:40 * oleonard      waits for a mustache wax update from kidclamp
13:40 kidclamp        things are all set oleonard, I refilled my two tins and about 5 chapstick tubes as an experiment - new wax is very beeswaxy
13:40 kidclamp        thanks for asking
13:41 oleonard        It was foremost in my mind.
13:41 * LibraryClaire had also wondered about this
13:42 * LibraryClaire considers growing a moustache
13:43 kidclamp        it's a terrible addiction LibraryClaire, don't do it
13:45 oleonard        Think of how much work kidclamp would get done if he weren't twirling his mustache menacingly all the time.
13:46 * LibraryClaire twirls imaginary moustache
13:46 kidclamp        at this point oleonard I have to tie at least 1 person to railroad tracks a week or I don't feel right
13:46 oleonard        Okay actually that looks good on you LibraryClaire, go for it.
13:47 LibraryClaire   :D
13:47 LibraryClaire   cait is shaking her head at me
13:47 cait            nope please
13:47 wahanui         nope is http://i.imgur.com/flFgB.gif
13:48 LibraryClaire   kidclamp I hope you have been practising your dastardly laugh too
13:48 kidclamp        yeah, I hope to rival larryb someday - he has very villiany cats too
13:58 drojf           bye #koha
14:11 kellym          good morning!
14:11 wahanui         well, it's morning somewhere, yes
14:50 cait            tcohen: around?
14:52 tcohen          cait: sort of
14:52 tcohen          whatsup
14:54 cait            tcohen: koha-indexer
14:54 wahanui         koha-indexer is a helper script for packages
14:54 cait            when you reboot... it's gone? is that normal or are we missing something?
14:54 tcohen          what about it
14:54 tcohen          ah
14:55 tcohen          look at /etc/init.d/koha-common
14:55 tcohen          it calls something like
14:55 cait            we are trying to activate it in 3.22 i shoudl say, but I haven't seen more work for later versions i think
14:55 tcohen          koha-indexer --start $(koha-list --enabled)
14:55 tcohen          ^^ that command is conditional to what you have in /etc/defaults/koha-common
14:56 cait            sorry, trying to wrap my head around it
14:56 tcohen          91     if [ "$USE_INDEXER_DAEMON" = "yes" ]; then
14:56 tcohen          92         koha-indexer --restart --quiet $(koha-list --enabled)
14:56 tcohen          93     fi
14:57 tcohen          that's for restarting
14:57 tcohen          but it is the same
14:57 tcohen          fro --start
14:57 tcohen          koha-indexer is a shell script
14:57 tcohen          that takes care of launching rebuild_zebra.pl -d (daemonized)
14:57 cait            ok, u. said he solved it :)
14:57 cait            it seems we had to chagne do yes
14:57 cait            in .default
14:57 cait            coudl that be it?
14:58 tcohen          if you don't change defaults/koha-common
14:58 tcohen          then you need to do it manually
14:58 tcohen          exactly
14:58 tcohen          :-D
14:58 cait            i've just tested it in our biggest library - it's wonderful
14:58 tcohen          cait: it took you 2 years to trust me!
14:58 tcohen          :-P
14:59 cait            it still has the 'experimental' flag in our version :)
14:59 cait            took me a while to persuade
15:00 tcohen          heh
15:00 tcohen          glad to hear
15:00 tcohen          you managed to
15:02 cait            has it ever died for you? or stable?
15:02 tcohen          I never had it die
15:16 kidclamp        brb
15:18 jenkins         Project Koha_Master_D8 build #103: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/103/
15:40 reiveune        bye
15:45 LibraryClaire   laters #koha
15:49 rod             hii
15:49 rod             alguem do brasil??
15:49 andreashm       hi all
15:50 tcohen          rod: argentina?
15:50 andreashm       tcohen: were you able to fix that issue with kohadevbox that was mentioned on devel?
15:51 rod             I thought I would not find a server that still existed user
15:51 andreashm       I had problems with mine, so I did a vagrant destroy and started a new one. had the same problem as the guy on the mailinglist. just tryig to continue with vagrant provision doesn't work, it creates more issues (now its Install testing dependencies (cpanm) that fails)
15:53 tcohen          andreashm: that test deps step fails regularly
15:53 tcohen          and is unrelated
15:53 tcohen          just keep provisioning
15:53 andreashm       ok. but it stops the ansible playbook. how can I continue?
15:53 andreashm       alright, back at it then!
15:53 andreashm       =)
15:53 tcohen          vagrant provision
15:53 tcohen          :-D
15:54 tcohen          I will provide the fix for kohadevbox ASAP once I finish something I'm stuck with :-(
15:54 * andreashm     thinks it will take, oh, perhaps 6 provisions. =)
15:55 andreashm       yay, it went past it!
15:55 andreashm       thanks tcohen!
15:55 andreashm       tcohen++
15:55 tcohen          maybe while (not $(vagrant provision)) do skip; done
15:55 tcohen          jaja
15:57 andreashm       was there a meeting yesterday?
15:57 tcohen          yes, a general meeting
15:57 wahanui         i think a general meeting is 8 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC
15:57 tcohen          wahanui: you are outdated
15:57 wahanui         ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot...|rumoured to be a sentient bot with sass|<reply> an extremely creepy stalker bot.... you have been warned|a parrot|<reply> wrong|<reply> on fire|<reply> gaining knowledge faster than sustainable|canadian|google|<reply> wahanui couldn't be bothered to show up|laser kiwi of the bo
15:59 * andreashm     goes looking through the logs
15:59 * andreashm     misses all the meeting these days. sigh.
16:04 cait            hey andre :)
16:04 cait            hey andreashm :)
16:07 andreashm       hi cait!
16:07 andreashm       what's up?
16:08 Arianit         Hi, Do Koha and Aleph talk to each other in any way? Would need to connect an Aleph and a Koha branch for example regarding ILL or being able to read what is in each other's catalog.  Is there documentation about this?
16:08 * andreashm     is apparently very bad at writing SQL reports. Had one that accidently ran at our production server and created a 126 GB temp file, before the process was killed. =)
16:08 tcohen          Arianit: 'talk' is too vague
16:13 andreashm       I know its a big no-no to change the Default framework, but just hiding some fields shouldn't be a problem right? Just unchecking Editor for the fields we want hidden (from items/952), right?
16:15 magnuse         andreashm: yeah, hiding should be ok
16:15 magnuse         deleting things might have consequences
16:16 andreashm       thanks magnuse!
16:16 andreashm       hi btw! =)
16:16 Arianit         tcohen: can they exchange data of any sort?
16:17 Arianit         ideally would be considering each other as branches of a library system
16:27 cait            andreashm: we hide things there all the time - should ot give you any trouble :)
16:40 andreashm       cait: thanks!
16:42 andreashm       bye #koha
19:11 rangi           morning
19:16 cait            morning rangi
19:18 kidclamp        hi rangi cat
19:19 eythian         wahanui: rangi is not usually a cat
19:19 wahanui         ...but rangi is <reply> I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!|<reply> I like cupcakes, cupcakes are good....
19:20 rangi           heh
19:22 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
19:25 kidclamp        heh, oops
19:31 cait            hi kidclamp ;)
19:32 kidclamp        hi cait cat
19:32 mtompset        Greetings, kidclamp cait
19:34 mtompset        Have a great day, #koha cait kidclamp
19:36 * oleonard      waves to rangi
20:27 bag             I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!|  hehe I still remember that - I can’t eat almonds without giggling about that
20:28 liw             @wunder brussels
20:28 huginn          liw: Error: No such location could be found.
20:33 eythian         liw: going to FOSDEM eh?
20:36 liw             eythian, aya, are you?
20:40 eythian         liw: no, but I should have. Will have to go next year.
20:41 liw             eythian, I'm afraid I can't stay there to wait for you then, but you can always visit Finland during the summer
20:42 eythian         Ah, you're back there? Maybe I should visit some time.
20:42 liw             been back in fi since 2014 :)
20:42 liw             but I rarely advertise my personal life in public
20:47 eythian         I probably wasn't paying much attention, too :)
20:52 * wizzycray     suddenly misses eythian very much
20:53 eythian         wizzycray: going to FOSDEM won't help it turns out ;)
20:53 wizzycray       ^.^
22:13 Francesca       hey wizzyrea if you're there
22:13 Francesca       a question for you: if a book doesn't have a ISBN or ISSN do I catalog it?
22:14 Francesca       I've got a couple up here with part numbers
22:14 wizzycray       yep, you just leave that off
22:14 wizzycray       of the record you create
22:15 Francesca       k
22:15 Francesca       thanks
22:19 Francesca       also when a book/manual has many many authors for like different things ie writing, editing, project managment
22:19 Francesca       do I include all on the record?
22:19 Francesca       ^wizzyrea
22:19 wizzycray       yeah, that's a special cataloguing case
22:19 wizzycray       you don't have a ztarget record for it?
22:20 Francesca       nope
22:20 wizzycray       bleh.
22:20 Francesca       yeah
22:20 wizzycray       just bring it down with you
22:20 Francesca       k
22:20 * Francesca     moves on
22:25 Francesca       wizzycray: another question sorry
22:26 Francesca       what do I do with art/photography books
22:26 wizzycray       I'll come up there ;)
22:26 Francesca       ok
22:26 Francesca       sorry
22:26 Francesca       but thanks!
22:32 * dcook         feels like Francesca is asking all the tough questions
22:32 * dcook         waves to andreashm
22:32 * Francesca     waves at dcook
22:33 andreashm       hi dcook!
22:36 dcook           heya andreashm and Francesca :)
22:36 Francesca       sup
22:37 Francesca       long time no see/speak
22:39 dcook           ikr?
22:39 dcook           Mm busy busy
22:39 dcook           Being a dad is awesome
22:39 dcook           Time consuming but awesome
22:40 andreashm       hehe
22:40 dcook           How about you, Francesca? Cataloguing books?
22:40 Francesca       yup
22:40 Francesca       currently doing level 9
22:40 * andreashm     is reading an e-mail from dcook, that he forgot to look at earlier.
22:41 dcook           Level 9?
22:41 dcook           andreashm: :D
22:41 Francesca       dcook: I'm at work/catalyst
22:42 Francesca       I'm up on lvl 9 cataloging their books
22:45 dcook           Ahh, I figured that must be what you meant
22:45 dcook           Although I thought maybe you meant the encoding level of the cataloguing!
22:45 dcook           http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html
22:45 Francesca       lol nope
22:45 dcook           But 8 is as high as it goes!
22:45 wizzycray       ha, no
22:45 dcook           (or as low as it goes I guess)
22:46 andreashm       The power of level 9!
22:46 dcook           One of these days, I'll have to come and visit the Catalyst office in Wellington!
22:46 Francesca       you should!
22:46 dcook           Actually, I could visit the one in Sydney. I think I met someone from there a while ago..
22:46 andreashm       dcook: or come to europe! =)
22:46 Francesca       ohh europe
22:46 dcook           andreashm: I love that idea
22:46 Francesca       where abouts in europe?
22:46 Francesca       I'll come too
22:46 dcook           Francesca: andreashm is in Sweden :)
22:46 dcook           Or... was?
22:46 andreashm       Sweden originally, Switzerland at the moment.
22:46 dcook           Actually, where are you located these days? You seem to often be hoping around
22:47 dcook           Ahh
22:47 dcook           Permanent relocation?
22:47 andreashm       yes, was. wil be back in august though (probably)
22:47 dcook           ahh
22:47 andreashm       will
22:47 dcook           Whereabouts in Switzerland?
22:47 Francesca       Switzerland and Sweden are pretty cool places
22:47 * Francesca     has never been
22:47 * dcook         likes Switzerland but has never been to Sweden..
22:47 andreashm       Sion, in Valais (south-west, French speaking)
22:48 dcook           Interesting location. There for family?
22:49 andreashm       My wife has a post doc position here.
22:49 andreashm       Me and the family is tagging along.
22:50 dcook           Ahh. Very cool :)
22:51 andreashm       Yup. Have had a nice time here, but am looking forward to coming home now.
22:51 dcook           I know the feeling. It was good visiting Canada, but it's nice being back in Australia.
22:52 Francesca       ohhh canada
22:52 Francesca       I like canada
22:52 Francesca       my stepfather is canadian
22:52 Francesca       we had christmas there one year and it was awesome
22:53 andreashm       nice
22:53 dcook           I really like Christmas in Canada :)
22:53 dcook           Fortunately, we missed the -40 weather by a few days
22:53 andreashm       lucky there!
22:53 andreashm       Where in Canada?
22:53 dcook           And now my wife has had her first white Christmas, I think she might want it to be her last :p
22:54 dcook           andreashm: Saskatchewan
22:54 wahanui         rumour has it Saskatchewan is warmer than the East for once
22:54 * dcook         wonders who wrote that..
22:54 andreashm       =)
22:54 * andreashm     is innocent
22:54 Francesca       Saskatchewan is a cool name
22:55 dcook           Hmm looks like I said something about this in 2013..
22:56 andreashm       Pretty far north
22:57 andreashm       unless you where right by the us border I guess. =)
22:58 dcook           Francesca: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan#Etymology
22:58 dcook           andreashm: I guess we were still fairly south. Probably... 6 hours from the border?
22:58 andreashm       I take that back!
22:58 Francesca       ohh cool link
22:58 dcook           Looks like we were the bottom 1/3 :p
22:59 dcook           Most Canadians live quite close to the US border really
23:00 dcook           There are some interesting town names in Saskatchewan as well..
23:00 dcook           I always found this one odd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandahar,_Saskatchewan
23:00 dcook           Although looking at the link, now I know why it has that name!
23:00 dcook           Lots of Scandinavian immigrants in Saskatchewan actually
23:01 dcook           One of my family branches came from Norway
23:02 dcook           For sci fi nerds:
23:02 dcook           https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endeavour,_Saskatchewan
23:02 dcook           https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama,_Saskatchewan
23:02 dcook           https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama
23:03 dcook           The proximity of the towns Endeavour and Rama is surely coincidental with the space ships Rama and Endeavour in the novel Rendezvous with Rama. But it's a coincidence that tickles me.
23:03 dcook           </trivia>
23:03 Francesca       lol