Time  Nick          Message
01:02 BobB          hi folks
01:02 BobB          bug 7317 is about ILL
01:02 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, NEW , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC
01:03 BobB          but hasn't been updated since march 2015
01:03 BobB          does anyone know if there is work gonig on?
01:06 cait          hm definietely was after 2015
01:06 cait          I think magnuse was testing it
01:07 BobB          hi cait
01:07 cait          did you see the URL in the bug? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ILL_Module
01:09 cait          hm
01:10 cait          probably best to wait fo ran answer on the bug
01:10 cait          g
01:10 BobB          yep, and I'll check with magnuse when he comes into the channel
01:11 BobB          it must be the middle of the night where you are cait? :)
01:11 cait          yep - def should be sleeping :)
01:11 BobB          ok, leave you to it :)
01:11 cait          have a nice day :)
01:11 cait          @wunder Konstanz
01:11 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is -2.6°C (2:07 AM CET on January 23, 2017). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
01:35 martinmorris  Hey, I’ve got a question about installing koha on ubuntu where the www and mysql are on different servers, the documentation isn’t entirely clear
06:46 * magnuse     waves to BobB and #koha
06:46 BobB          hi magnuse
06:46 * BobB        waves from down under
06:47 magnuse       yay!
06:47 magnuse       ptfse have been working on the ill module
06:47 BobB          yay!
06:47 magnuse       atheia or ashimema should be able to give you the details
06:47 magnuse       but i think they are getting close to submitting it
06:48 BobB          very cool
06:48 magnuse       the goal has been to create a generic ill module that can be configured to support different workflows
06:49 magnuse       atheia demoed it in marseille, and it looked pretty neat
06:49 BobB          we have a prospective client who's interested
06:50 BobB          I'd reckon its a big piece of work
06:50 BobB          I guess ptfs havae a client they are doing it for?
06:51 BobB          it almost fills in the last big gap in koha as far as traditional LMSs go
06:52 BobB          very cool
06:52 BobB          ashimema +1
06:53 BobB          magnuse how is Oslo PL going?  they went live I think?
06:55 magnuse       yeah, i'd also say ill is the last big missing piece
06:55 magnuse       i think they have customers using it already
06:55 magnuse       yeah, OPL went live while we were in marseille last time
06:56 magnuse       i think they are doing ok, i have not heard a whole lot from them
06:56 BobB          no noise is good noise :)
06:56 magnuse       :-)
06:57 magnuse       BobB: you can see their stuff here: https://sok.deichman.no/search?query=hamsun
06:57 magnuse       everything the borrowers see they made themselves
06:58 magnuse       koha is only used internally
06:59 BobB          yep
06:59 BobB          I can't read much of that :)
07:06 LibraryClaire morning #koha
07:32 alex_a        bonjour
07:41 fridolin      hie
07:45 reiveune      hello
07:45 wahanui       privet, reiveune
07:58 marcelr       hi #koha
08:14 gaetan_B      hello
08:55 cait          good morning #koha
08:56 marcelr       hi cait
08:57 cait          hi marcelr
09:33 * magnuse     waves
09:33 magnuse       @wunder enbo
09:33 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (10:20 AM CET on January 23, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
09:34 magnuse       forecast says we will have +10 on wednesday or thursday
09:52 eythian       @wunder ams
09:52 huginn        eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 0.0°C (10:25 AM CET on January 23, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
09:52 eythian       also, hi
09:54 magnuse       hiya eythian
10:04 cait          Joubu++
10:04 cait          just beat me to answer on the bug
10:04 cait          @wunder Konstanz
10:04 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is -2.8°C (10:59 AM CET on January 23, 2017). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
10:04 cait          colder than norway *grump*
10:07 cait          marcelr++ - very brave takingon all those authority bugs :)
10:38 marcelr       cait: just halfway
11:19 tcohen        morning
11:19 marcelr       hi tcohen
11:43 Joubu         khall: around?
11:43 khall         what's up?
11:43 Joubu         hi!
11:43 khall         mornin!
11:43 Joubu         I have a wording question :)
11:44 khall         sure!
11:44 Joubu         I am create a Koha::Object[s] based class for the message_queue table
11:44 Joubu         but
11:44 Joubu         Koha::MessageQueue and Koha::MessageQueues do not make sense
11:44 Joubu         as we do not have several queues
11:44 Joubu         so I have Koha::MessageQueue and Koha::MessagesQueue
11:44 * cait        waves
11:44 Joubu         or Koha::QueuedMessage and Koha::QueuedMessages
11:44 Joubu         in mind
11:45 Joubu         but I do not manage to decide, and maybe you will have a third suggestion :)
11:45 marcelr       Joubu: Koha::MessagesQueue is confusing
11:45 cait          Koha:MessageQueueEntries?
11:45 kidclamp_away I like QueuedMessage(s)
11:45 Joubu         kidclamp_away: yep, me too
11:45 cait          or that yep
11:45 khall         yeah, I'm of that mind
11:45 khall         al, Koha::Queue:Messages and Koha::Queue::Message perhaps?
11:46 khall         nah, that makes no sense
11:46 khall         how about just Koha::Messages and Koha::Message
11:46 marcelr       QueuedMessage(s)++
11:46 cait          if i ask now why it is message and not notice i will be in trouble right? :)
11:46 marcelr       sure
11:46 * cait        doesn't ask
11:47 cait          just wondering, because there is also a messages table
11:47 khall         cait: good point, if we always call them notices in the interface, we should move to notices in the code ; )
11:47 cait          an they are not related, it's the notes from patron account that go in there
11:47 khall         but if they aren't all notices, we should just say a notices is a type of message
11:47 Joubu         Koha::Message sounds too generic
11:47 cait          yeah, maybe fix when we get there
11:47 cait          Koha::Patron::Message?
11:48 Joubu         I have 20 patches on top of it, but should be easy to rename
11:48 cait          notes would make more sense probably, as it's more of apassive thing that just displays
11:48 Joubu         so yes, if you want me to rename it, it's better now than later: )
11:48 cait          you already did the messsages one too?
11:48 cait          sorry if i confused things by bringing that one up
11:48 Joubu         Koha::Patron::Message already exists, yet
11:49 khall         cait: yeah I like Koha::Patron::Message(s)
11:49 cait          ah ok
11:49 khall         dang ; )
11:49 cait          sorry!
11:50 Joubu         So is QueuedNotice[s] the conclusion?
11:51 khall         Joubu: that sounds good, I don't even think you need the Queued part, could just be Koha::Patron::Notice(s)
11:51 marcelr       sounds not bad
11:51 cait          hm
11:51 marcelr       i would leave queue
11:51 cait          i wouldn't put it in patron
11:51 cait          because things in there that don't go to the patrons
11:51 marcelr       cait:
11:51 khall         ok, then I say QueuedNotice(s) sounds good
11:52 cait          claims, list invites, the overdus email to the library etc
11:52 marcelr       wrong window
11:52 khall         or just Koha::Notice(s)
11:52 cait          how would we name the one for editing/managing notices then?
11:52 cait          ah at the moment that's letters i think
11:52 cait          oh all the confusion in terminology
11:53 khall         cait: yep, it's complicated ; )
11:53 Joubu         but we will have Koha::Letter and Koha::Notice
11:53 khall         I would call those notice templates
11:53 marcelr       notice template ++
11:53 Joubu         (what cait was saying..)
11:53 cait          it should not be so hard to get this sorted... but it is
11:53 Joubu         yes to me Koha::Letter is a template
11:54 Joubu         bug 17958
11:54 cait          would letter in english also refer to email?
11:54 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17958 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add the Koha::Letter[s] packages
11:54 Joubu         bug 17959
11:54 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17959 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Add the Koha::MessageQueue[s] packages
11:54 cait          or text message? makes me more think of mail
11:54 Joubu         Koha::Notice::Template and Koha::Notice::Message ?
11:55 Joubu         or just Koha::Template and Koha::Notice
11:55 cait          hm thinking
11:55 cait          we also have gui templates and marc modification templates
11:56 cait          might be confusing
11:56 Joubu         yes and the interface uses "notices" for both "letters" and "messages"
11:57 Joubu         that why I suggested to group them into the same namespace with Koha::Notice::Template and Koha::Notice::Message
11:57 cait          sorry, what would message be then?
11:57 Joubu         an entry of message_queue
11:59 cait          i kind of get confused by message
11:59 cait          kidclamp_away: khall - native speakers?
12:00 cait          bbiab
12:00 khall         cait: notice letter and message are all basically synonyms with slightly different connotations
12:00 cait          i like notice::template or similar tho
12:01 kidclamp_away hmm...Koha::Notice::Message makes sense to me, and Koha::Notice::Template
12:01 khall         Joubu: I think you are on the right track with Koha::Notice::Template/Message
12:01 kidclamp_away Joubu++
12:01 kidclamp_away now I am really away for a bit
12:02 Joubu         ok thanks, I will go first with that
12:02 Joubu         and we will rename things later if needed
12:04 Joubu         bug 17958
12:04 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17958 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add the Koha::Notice::Template[s] packages (letter table)
12:04 Joubu         bug 17959
12:04 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17959 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Add the Koha::Notice::Message[s] packages (message_queue table)
12:47 LibraryClaire hi #koha
12:56 cait          Joubu++
13:07 tcohen1       hi cait
13:07 cait          hi tcohen :)
13:08 tcohen        cait++ # new point release!
13:09 druthb        cait++  # wait, we need *reasons* now?
13:09 cait          yes, you do
13:10 druthb        cait++  # for imposing "reason" on the Karma system.
13:10 tcohen        druthb: she's a busy girl now, and she found the time to be rmaint!
13:10 druthb        Indeed, tcohen; she's been a busy girl as long as I've known her. :)
13:11 tcohen        exactly
13:11 tcohen        :-D
13:12 tcohen        </south_park_quote>
13:12 * cait        runs off
13:16 magnuse       cait++ for all the reasons
13:16 magnuse       @wunder enbo
13:16 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (1:50 PM CET on January 23, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
13:21 oleonard      @wunder 45701
13:21 huginn        oleonard: The current temperature in Longview Hts, Athens, Ohio is 10.3°C (8:21 AM EST on January 23, 2017). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.40 in 996 hPa (Steady).
13:22 oleonard      Yay, warmer than Norway for once.
13:22 druthb        @wunder 77098
13:22 huginn        druthb: The current temperature in Montrose, Houston, Texas is 10.6°C (7:16 AM CST on January 23, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
13:22 druthb        Chilly morning, here.
13:22 druthb        #LifeInTheTropics
13:29 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
13:29 wahanui       hi oleopard
13:29 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
13:29 huginn        LibraryClaire: The current temperature in MainaustraÃ&#376;e, Konstanz, Germany is -1.4°C (2:22 PM CET on January 23, 2017). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
13:30 oleonard      Hi LibraryClaire and everyone
13:30 LibraryClaire I think huginn underestimates. I think it's colder than that!
13:31 oleonard      huginn please recalibrate your sensors.
13:31 huginn        oleonard: downloading the Perl source
13:31 LibraryClaire :D
13:31 oleonard      huginn how many fingers am I holding up?
13:31 huginn        oleonard: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:31 LibraryClaire huginn is sassy
13:31 huginn        LibraryClaire: I've exhausted my database of quotes
13:32 oleonard      huginn you need to compile more quotes
13:32 huginn        oleonard: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:32 magnuse       oleonard, druthb: forecast says we will have +9C on thursday :-)
13:32 magnuse       @quote random
13:32 huginn        magnuse: Quote #287: "Pianohacker: the only sounds I've ever heard come out of Auth.pm are a nasty, wet splorch" (added by wizzyrea at 11:48 PM, January 09, 2014)
13:33 druthb        brrrrrrr
13:34 oleonard      It's forecast to be 17C here on Wednesday, then a high of 7 the next day.
13:35 LibraryClaire oh to run in the warm...
13:38 magnuse       at least the Lofoten islands just had some nice sun on them
13:43 oleonard      FTFY xkcd: http://zivotdesign.com/p/#0/14851790081399
13:56 edveal        Hello #koha
13:59 LibraryClaire hi edveal
14:51 rsantellan    good morning #koha
14:56 cait          good morning rsantellan
14:57 cait          hi edveal
15:04 oleonard      cait: On Bug 5784 you suggest dividing the side navigation into Administration and Acquisitions sections. Can you explain what you mean?
15:04 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5784 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , link to acq from budgets & funds
15:05 oleonard      cait: Do you mean changing acquisitions-menu.inc?
15:19 magnuse       hm bug 17940
15:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17940 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds not going to waiting state after having been transferred
15:21 cait          oleonard: yep
15:21 cait          not sure what is best, but i think breadcrumbs won't work
15:21 oleonard      I agree
15:22 eythian       @wunder ams
15:22 huginn        eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 2.8°C (4:20 PM CET on January 23, 2017). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Falling).
15:22 cait          maybe it would be nice to have a design similar to tools?
15:22 cait          hm not sure about that either :)
15:25 oleonard      Actually I think that might work
15:25 * oleonard    will think about it
15:40 oleonard      cait: http://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/14851860069021
15:41 LibraryClaire oleonard++
15:50 cait          oleonard: nice!
16:00 reiveune      bye
16:18 oleonard      Only 28 more bugs to 18000
16:31 cait          scary
16:32 cait          i still remember times when bugs had 4 digits...
16:33 oleonard      I still don't understand the 2nd and 3rd parts of this comment. https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17942#c2
16:33 huginn        04Bug 17942: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Update style of the web installer with Bootstrap 3
23:33 CrispyBran    Anyone available to confirm a bug for me?
23:38 tmcmahon      I'm here CrispyBran, but I'm not sure what kind of help I'd be.  What's the bug?
23:40 CrispyBran    I'm using a ByWater sandbox with the tiny dataset and on MASTER.  I can't seem to limit the number of holds on an item type in the circ rules.
23:40 CrispyBran    I can limit them with the maxreserves setting, but it does want to work in the rules.
23:41 CrispyBran    doesn't work in the rules.
23:41 CrispyBran    :)
23:47 CrispyBran    It appears that it will block if I set the limit to 0, but if I set it to 1, it lets me place more than one hold.
23:47 tmcmahon      I went over my hold level without any warnings too.
23:48 CrispyBran    Hmmm...seems something is broken.
23:48 CrispyBran    I appreciate you trying.  Thanks for confirming.
23:48 tmcmahon      Have you searched the bugs yet?
23:49 CrispyBran    I did an initial seach, but didn't see anything.
23:50 tmcmahon      Bugzilla says I have an open bug assigned to me.  Does anyone know if that means I have to be the one to close it?  It's already been pushed to master.
23:51 rangi         has it been pushed to a stable release?
23:51 rangi         if not, you can mark it resolved fixed
23:51 tmcmahon      My first patch.  Don't know the proper procedures.
23:51 rangi         normally the release managers/maintainers do it, but i's fine to do it yourself
23:52 rangi         if it has been released (ie pushed to master before november 22, or to a stable branch that has been released) you can mark it closed
23:52 rangi         does that make sense?
23:53 tmcmahon      Yes.  I just didn't want to mess with things if it was meant for someone higher up on the dev chain.
23:54 rangi         nope all good
23:54 tmcmahon      It's in 16.11.02
23:56 tmcmahon      Status says "Pushed to Stable"
23:57 CrispyBran    tmcmahon, I filed the bug at https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17978.  Feel free to make note that you have confirmed this issue.
23:57 huginn        04Bug 17978: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Circ rules will not limit holds
23:57 rangi         that can be closed then if you like