Time Nick Message
01:53 dcook @wunder syd
01:53 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, Australia is 37.0°C (12:30 PM AEDT on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
01:54 dcook A little warm..
01:54 dcook @wunder syd
01:54 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, Australia is 37.0°C (12:30 PM AEDT on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
01:54 dcook @wunder yvr
01:54 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Burkeville, Richmond, British Columbia is -0.2°C (5:54 PM PST on January 10, 2017). Conditions: . Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
01:55 dcook @wunder yqr
01:55 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Regina, Saskatchewan is -24.0°C (7:00 PM CST on January 10, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -26.0°C. Windchill: -34.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
02:10 aleisha @wunder nzwn
02:10 huginn` aleisha: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
02:10 dcook That seems a bit more sane
03:54 rangi right, home time
04:58 dcook Hmm koha_perl_deps.pl doesn't seem to handle version numbers so well...
04:58 dcook me thinks that 0.9.12 comes after 0.9.3
05:02 dcook And I reckon that's why: $pkg->VERSION lt $PERL_DEPS->{$_}->{'min_ver'}
05:06 dcook Nothing like lexical comparisons..
05:16 * dcook wonders which RM is the Kerouac fan..
07:01 drojf morning #koha
07:22 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:22 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Aprikosensteig, Berlin, Germany is -7.6°C (8:18 AM CET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:22 LibraryClaire morning #koha
07:27 fridolin yepp
07:27 LibraryClaire hi fridolin
07:31 fridolin hie LibraryClaire, watsup ?
07:31 fridolin coooooold ? I'm dreaming of a sunny warm day
07:33 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:33 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 3.0°C (8:30 AM CET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:37 LibraryClaire fridolin: yes, cold
07:37 LibraryClaire I keep going running in the snow
07:37 LibraryClaire This morning it definitely falt warmer
07:38 fridolin wouuu, running, waths this ? ;)
07:39 fridolin I'm waiting a bit to go swiming in the sea, I like to do I in the first days of the year
07:39 LibraryClaire fridolin: I'm supposed to be marathon training
07:39 fridolin whouu nice
07:39 alex_a hello
07:39 LibraryClaire hi alex_a
07:44 reiveune hello
07:45 LibraryClaire hey reiveune
07:45 wahanui reiveune is working for biblibre
07:45 LibraryClaire wahanui is back :)
08:21 * magnuse waves
08:21 magnuse @wunder enbo
08:21 LibraryClaire guten morgen magnuse
08:21 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 28.80 in 975 hPa (Steady).
08:22 magnuse guten morgen BüchereiKlara
08:22 magnuse wie geht's?
08:22 LibraryClaire gut, danke :)
08:22 LibraryClaire und dir?
08:22 josef_moravec morning Koha
08:23 liw @wunder helsinki
08:23 huginn` liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 0.0°C (10:20 AM EET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
08:23 josef_moravec @wunder Usti nad Orlici
08:23 huginn` josef_moravec: The current temperature in Rájec, Borovnice, Czech Republic is -9.0°C (9:23 AM CET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:23 LibraryClaire hi josef_moravec
08:23 josef_moravec hi LibraryClaire
08:25 josef_moravec LibraryClaire: thanks for sign-off oleonards followup for 16239 ;)
08:26 LibraryClaire josef_moravec no problem :)
08:36 Joubu @later tell khall Hi! Is there anything blocking the push of 17234? I think we really need the 2 subs to check if a constraint or column exist. I can move them to a separate bug report if you prefer.
08:36 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:37 magnuse LibraryClaire: mir gehts gut!
09:41 eythian so this building whistles in the wind. It's kinda annoying.
09:41 eythian @wunder jordaan,ams
09:41 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Geuzenbuurt Amsterdam, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 8.4°C (10:41 AM CET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
09:45 cait @later tell kidclamp_away link in the dev meeting mail looks right, but has wrong URL
09:45 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
09:46 * magnuse waves at cait
09:46 * cait waves
09:46 cait hm
09:46 cait @later tell kidclamp link in the dev meeting mail looks right, but has wrong URL
09:46 cait @later tell kidclamp link in the dev meeting mail looks right, but has wrong URL
09:46 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
09:54 drojf how does the link look right if the URL is wroing?
09:55 drojf and hi cait
09:55 LibraryClaire she has run away
09:57 cait now LibraryClaire has run away :)
09:57 cait and hi drojf
09:58 cait drojf: I dunno :)
09:58 cait if you receive text email it's probably right
09:58 drojf i imagine bsz like a beehive
09:58 cait everyone running around and buzzing?
09:58 drojf yes
09:58 cait close
09:58 drojf and doing the schwänzeltanz
09:58 cait um
09:58 * cait googles
09:59 cait maybe not that close
09:59 drojf https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzsprache#/media/File:Bee_waggle_dance.png
09:59 drojf oh it's waggle dance in english :D
10:00 drojf it's amazing that i really learned something in biology class a million years ago that i still remember
10:00 cait drojf: in my emai program date looked right in text, but clicking the url led to the wrong time/date
10:00 drojf ah. ok. that's funny
10:01 drojf the waggle dance is to communicate in what direction to find food, btw. very useful
10:01 drojf we should do it in marseille to fix dinner plans
10:02 LibraryClaire I definitely waggle dance around the place
10:02 drojf :D
10:52 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17234: Test the column and constraint non-existence <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=435b7badc22d9c05cb16623d6f423206992ec476> / Bug 17234: Two new functions lack tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8938631f38bb22456424219d3c3453493df6f848> / Bug 17234: Move new subroutines to C4::Installer <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;
10:55 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
10:55 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Aprikosensteig, Berlin, Germany is -4.2°C (11:48 AM CET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
12:33 marcelr hi #koha
12:33 eythian hi marcelopard.
12:33 eythian no wait
12:36 tcohen morning
12:38 LibraryClaire hi marcelr
12:38 LibraryClaire hola tcohen
12:38 marcelr hi ethyian tcohen LibraryClaire
12:38 marcelr eythian:
12:38 tcohen hi #kojha
12:39 marcelr halo tohcen
12:39 marcelr moc esta
12:39 tcohen umy bein
12:42 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #83: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/83/
12:42 jenkins * kyle: Bug 17234 - updatedatabase.pl's ALTER IGNORE break with mysql 5.7.4+
12:42 jenkins * kyle: Bug 17234: Follow up to handle new problems
12:42 jenkins * kyle: Bug 17234: Add constraint_exists and column_exists to updatedatabase.pl
12:42 jenkins * kyle: Bug 17234: Move new subroutines to C4::Installer
12:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17234 major, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Pushed to Master , ALTER IGNORE TABLE is invalid in mysql 5.7. This breaks updatedatabase.pl
12:42 jenkins * kyle: Bug 17234: Two new functions lack tests
12:42 jenkins * kyle: Bug 17234: Test the column and constraint non-existence
12:43 oleonard Hi all
12:43 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
12:43 wahanui hi oleopard
12:43 LibraryClaire yay wahanui
12:57 oleonard Oh, dev meeting in 3 minutes?
12:57 oleonard No, bad link.
13:01 oleonard rangi++
13:01 oleonard Lots of closed bugs
13:03 cait yep bad link
13:04 magnuse rangi++
13:18 kidclamp ah, I pasted in the correct link over the old one, so the text is right but the link is wrong
13:19 oleonard That's why the mailing list should bounce all messages which have HTML formatting, attachments, entire quoted threads, and signatures longer than 7 lines long.
13:19 * oleonard misses the old webmonster list
13:37 Joubu @later tell rangi Are we still using bz version 3?
13:37 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
13:41 oleonard Joubu: The help link in Bugzilla links to 5.0 docs, FWIW
13:42 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
13:42 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Aprikosensteig, Berlin, Germany is -1.1°C (2:38 PM CET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
13:43 Joubu oleonard: yep I think I found a very old dump :-/
13:43 drojf more snow
13:45 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
13:45 huginn` LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Jungerhalde, Konstanz, Germany is 2.9°C (2:37 PM CET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
13:45 LibraryClaire no snow :'(
13:46 drojf snowstorm
13:46 drojf but rain later
13:47 LibraryClaire rain is bad. Rain freezes into ice. Ice makes running impossible
13:48 oleonard That's what we had this morning. So I couldn't run to my car. I had to walk.
13:48 Joubu @later tell rangi ok forget that, I was using a very old dump
13:48 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
13:49 LibraryClaire walking is tough
13:50 drojf i want ice. so i can use the spikes i bought years ago and then never needed
13:51 LibraryClaire you might want more than just black ice for those though
13:51 drojf i _think_ i know where they are
13:51 oleonard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efiW2K8gASM
13:59 tcohen1 marcelr: have you considered raising exceptions instead of warning on the logs?
13:59 marcelr i maybe should :)
14:00 marcelr probably on a new report..
14:00 marcelr there is a todo somewhere about error reporting
14:01 tcohen1 cool
14:01 tcohen1 just thought worth mentioning
14:02 marcelr good
14:12 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15898 - Use Koha::Account::pay internally for makepartialpayment <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e134350813db967458ca8a0928210909d5ec7e4d> / Bug 15879: Add Tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf52095e19a348865f3728c43f20ebb2e2415dd8> / Bug 15879: Allow multiple plugin directories to be defined in koha-conf.xml <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k
14:31 * magnuse shakes his fist at xslt and wanders off
14:32 * LibraryClaire sympathises
14:32 drojf poor xslt
14:33 drojf wahanui botsnack xslt
14:33 wahanui thanks drojf :)
14:33 LibraryClaire poor wahanui
14:33 wahanui Will he ever win?
14:33 * LibraryClaire pats wahanui
14:33 drojf he liked it
14:34 LibraryClaire he didn't complain
14:36 drojf he said thanks. tasty xslt. or he is just very polite
14:42 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15908 - Remove use of recordpayment_selectaccts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e0becf91586b6a03d2e5681eb63483dc06cd940> / Bug 15909 - Remove the use of makepartialpayment <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f51f7a7adec3c98319d508d4e967bb4533badab>
15:56 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #84: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/84/
15:56 jenkins * kyle: Bug 15879: Allow multiple plugin directories to be defined in
15:56 jenkins * kyle: Bug 15879: Add Tests
15:56 jenkins * kyle: Bug 15898 - Use Koha::Account::pay internally for makepartialpayment
15:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15879 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow multiple plugin directories to be defined in koha-conf.xml
15:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15898 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Use Koha::Account::pay internally for makepartialpayment
16:01 LibraryClaire laters #koha
16:11 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wewAC5X_CZ8& <-- if you haven't seen this, you should see this. It's pretty funny.
16:18 reiveune bye
16:32 tcohen @later tell mtompset have you tried koha-zebra or just theoretically found that issue?
16:32 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
16:49 eythian @wunder jordaan, ams
16:49 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 9.0°C (5:40 PM CET on January 11, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
17:33 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #85: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/85/
17:33 jenkins * kyle: Bug 15909 - Remove the use of makepartialpayment
17:33 jenkins * kyle: Bug 15908 - Remove use of recordpayment_selectaccts
17:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15909 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Remove the use of makepartialpayment
17:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15908 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Remove use of recordpayment_selectaccts
17:33 Error_Null Hello everyone
17:33 Error_Null I need some help
17:34 Error_Null i got a problem with some records
17:35 Error_Null when i look for an user
17:35 Error_Null and i see their check outs there is a problems
17:36 Error_Null instead of title it shows the word "null"
17:36 Error_Null but just for some records
17:36 Error_Null not for all
17:37 Error_Null and i dont know how to fix it
17:45 CrispyBran Anyone know how to improve the print quality of Chrome?
17:59 Joubu tcohen: I failed bug 17817
17:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17817 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Repeat this Tag (cloning) not working
18:00 Joubu we should go with my patch, then try to fix it on another bug
18:00 Joubu it's very tricky, I have already spent 2h on it :)
18:03 LibraryClaire hi #koha
18:05 tcohen Joubu: so, disabling select2?
18:05 Joubu yes
18:05 Joubu we need it into the next 16.11.x
18:06 Joubu y
18:07 Joubu unless Patricio is going to fix the 2 issues quickly :)
18:08 Joubu @later tell rangi sent you a PR for koha-dashboard, let me know what you think about the idea
18:08 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:10 kidclamp oleonard++
18:20 tcohen Joubu: what do u mean the add item form is failing?
18:22 Joubu tcohen: on the add item form, if you have a repeatable field, it won't work
18:22 tcohen ah, let me try
18:31 Joubu kidclamp: so basically you just postponed the single topic we had for the dev meeting, that's it? :)
18:31 oleonard O, the tales talljoy_plumber could tell.
18:31 kidclamp kidclamp--
18:31 huginn` kidclamp: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
18:32 kidclamp better late than never Joubu?
18:32 Joubu indeed!
18:32 kidclamp tcohen, are you still wnating to host a second meeting each month?
18:33 Joubu actually I think I can add thousands of topics if some devs are around :p
18:33 drojf related to beer?
18:33 kidclamp heh
18:34 Joubu related to whatever you want
18:35 LibraryClaire i like beer
18:35 Joubu holidays, weather, beer, food
18:35 drojf yes please
18:36 drojf have crunchy snow, will trade for holidays
18:36 Joubu French administration (I can talk about that for ages, but it's really not interesting)
18:36 Joubu and this chan is logged.. :)
18:36 LibraryClaire :P
18:36 drojf does it come with cider?
18:37 drojf cidre
18:38 Joubu you need something stronger then cider
18:38 drojf cider and pastis
18:38 drojf pastis with cider instead of water
18:38 drojf lol
18:39 Joubu More something like Cointreau
18:39 drojf too sweet
18:40 Joubu rakia then
18:40 LibraryClaire baileys :D
18:40 * oleonard wants to head down to the Irish pub with everyone after work
18:40 drojf sounds good
18:40 drojf rakia and the pub
18:41 LibraryClaire yay come to the pub!
18:41 * oleonard checks how much change is in his 'Koha travel' jar
18:41 drojf where is the pub?
18:41 wahanui the pub is the public key, sub is a sub-key
18:41 drojf lol
18:42 LibraryClaire go away wahanui
18:42 * drojf heads to the sub
18:42 drojf oh, wrong way
18:42 oleonard No LibraryClaire, we just got him back!
18:43 LibraryClaire oh, ok then
18:43 * LibraryClaire secretly missed him
18:43 drojf "secretly"
18:44 oleonard #koha needs more gender diversity in its bots
18:45 drojf yay more bots
18:45 LibraryClaire lady bots
18:45 LibraryClaire wahanui referred to itself as a he
18:45 wahanui LibraryClaire: huh?
18:45 tcohen someone said cider?
18:45 LibraryClaire lol tcohen
18:45 * tcohen learnt to love cider
18:46 drojf the cidre in marseille was really nice
18:47 oleonard http://zivotdesign.com/p/#s/14841604515075
18:48 drojf :D
18:48 LibraryClaire creperie
18:51 LibraryClaire aw I fancy some cider now
18:52 drojf got a bottle in the fridge
18:52 rangi morning
18:53 drojf hi rangi, got ahightlight on cider too?
18:53 LibraryClaire i have some too but last time i had it i went really red lol
18:53 LibraryClaire hi rangi
18:53 drojf LibraryClaire: try it, for science
18:53 LibraryClaire hm
18:53 * oleonard is putting his liquor budget into the Koha travel fund
18:53 drojf oleonard: makes sense
18:53 oleonard So if I seem grumpy...
18:53 LibraryClaire hihi
18:59 rangi has anyone got things like
19:00 rangi SetEnvIf Remote_Addr "202.78.240.7" OVERRIDE_SYSPREF_OpacPublic=1
19:00 rangi working with plack?
19:01 Joubu rangi: grab a beer instead
19:01 Joubu even if it's too early for you :p
19:01 rangi thats what i feared
19:01 Joubu rangi: bug 16520 should fix that
19:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16520 minor, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Per-virtualhost SetEnvs don't work with Plack
19:01 * LibraryClaire now wants a beer
19:02 rangi thanks Joubu
19:02 rangi ill look at that pull request in a minute .. just have to fix the nz parliamentary library server (or turn plack back off) :)
19:04 rangi i might just do a quick hack with https://metacpan.org/pod/Plack::Middleware::ForceEnv
19:32 rangi ahh ha
19:32 rangi that now needs to be OVERRIDE_SYSPREF_opacpublic
19:32 rangi because we lc stuff now
19:33 rangi crisis averted politicians can search the catalogue without logging in again
19:34 * oleonard laughs at the thought of American politicians using a library
19:38 edveal Hello
19:40 rangi hi edveal hows houston?
19:42 edveal Hot
19:43 edveal currently sitting in a Fedora Repository conference at University of Houston.
19:47 oleonard Oh wait... That's not about hats is it?
19:49 edveal oleonard I am now with Houston Public lib and we are looking at using Fedora for the AV digital archives.
19:56 * kidclamp waves
19:57 kidclamp meeting soon
19:57 * cait waves
19:57 cait i know :)
19:59 oleonard Bye all. Have a fun meeting.
20:01 kidclamp Hi everyone! Going to start the meeting and give a little time for people to trickle in
20:01 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 11 January 2017
20:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jan 11 20:01:33 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:01 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_11_january_2017'
20:01 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
20:01 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
20:01 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT
20:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
20:02 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
20:02 LibraryClaire #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany
20:02 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
20:02 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
20:03 reed_ #info Reed Wade, prev Catalyst IT
20:03 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Municipal LIbrary Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic
20:03 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, France
20:04 nuentoter #info
20:04 kidclamp seems like a full house
20:05 kidclamp #topic Announcements
20:05 nuentoter #info Justin Martin, Abel J. Morneault memorial library, United States
20:05 kidclamp #info PR koha-dashboard to display an "overall health status"
20:06 kidclamp want to explain Joubu?
20:06 Joubu I have just sent a PR to Chris for the dashboard
20:06 cait ah, PR = Pull request?
20:06 Joubu the goal is to have a new section to quickly display the "hot" bug report
20:06 Joubu cait: yep
20:06 cait Joubu++
20:06 Joubu the crit/blocker/maj
20:06 Joubu in NEW, NSO, SO, PQA
20:06 kidclamp Joubu++
20:06 Joubu to know what is important
20:06 rangi it seems good to me so far, ill probably merge it after/during the meeting
20:07 Joubu it's just a quick start, to get feedbacks
20:07 cait i have noticed the build statuses have been broken for a while
20:07 josef_moravec Joubu++
20:07 LibraryClaire Joubu++
20:07 cait not sure why and if someone has looked into it?
20:07 rangi yes
20:07 rangi its brokne on jenkins end
20:07 Joubu rangi: I have just tried it with a 6 months old DB, so had to tweak a bit
20:07 cait ah, that's not good then
20:08 Joubu The BibLibre server hosting Jenkins has not been correctly updated
20:08 Joubu If I understood correctly
20:08 Joubu je
20:08 rangi im not sure, tcohen knows
20:08 Joubu jenkins.theke.io is the good one
20:08 Joubu but we did not manage to get the status icons back
20:08 rangi yeah i think its pointing there now
20:09 rangi (the dns
20:09 rangi )
20:09 rangi https://jenkins.koha-community.org/ is jenkins.theke.io
20:09 Joubu ha yes indeed!
20:09 rangi i switched the dns
20:09 Joubu so it's just the badges plugin, we did not manage to configure it correctly apparently
20:09 rangi however this is still broken
20:09 kidclamp so it is broken tests then that need fixed/
20:09 rangi https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8//badge/icon
20:10 kidclamp ?
20:10 Joubu rangi: yep, this one :)
20:10 rangi kidclamp: there are failing tests too
20:10 rangi kidclamp: but this is more about the icons not showing on the dashboard
20:10 Joubu so yes, we have failures: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
20:10 cait in 16.11. i might need some help to find the problem - usually the tests failing on jenkins are passing for me locally
20:10 Joubu but it's getting to far :)
20:11 cait same for the current one in decreaseloanperiod tests
20:11 kidclamp #info Badges are broken on Jenkins and there are some failing tests
20:12 kidclamp Anything to do here or just info?
20:12 Joubu just time and synchro with tcohen to fix the badges
20:12 Joubu I can take a look at the failing tests tomorrow
20:12 rangi Joubu: http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
20:12 wahanui http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise
20:12 Joubu unless someone wants to do it...
20:13 rangi needs some styling, but otherwise works
20:13 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines
20:13 cait Joubu++
20:13 kidclamp I didn't follow up on my action until today so tabling until next meeting
20:13 Joubu rangi: thanks. And so you can click on the "Overall health status" header
20:13 Joubu to open the details
20:13 kidclamp please comment on the list for discussion
20:14 kidclamp #topic Progress on next release (17.05)
20:15 kidclamp khall?
20:15 wahanui khall is, like, volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;)
20:15 khall Same old, pushing patches as they pass qa
20:15 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS (Louisville, KY, USA, Earth, SOL)
20:15 khall we're making good progress on unifying all the payment subroutines!
20:16 caboose__ #info Michael Cabus, BWS (Princeton, NJ, USA)
20:16 khall Of note, I imagine bug 16239 will trigger much patch rebasing once it is pushed
20:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Passed QA , Upgrade Bootstrap in the staff client
20:17 khall I think I will hold off until friday and make it the final push of the day
20:17 khall that is all ; )
20:17 rangi that will be nice to get in there
20:17 kidclamp #info Kyle will push bug 16239 on Friday - this will cause some other bugs to need rebasing - be aware
20:17 kidclamp Anything on 16.11 cait?
20:17 cait hm
20:18 cait string freeze is on Sunday
20:18 cait i will be sending an email to the mailing list
20:18 kidclamp #topic Progress on current release (16.11)
20:18 cait so 16.11.2 is already coming up fast again
20:18 cait I'd love to see the problem in catalouging with authorised values fixed
20:18 kidclamp #info string freeze coming, cait will email the lists
20:18 cait Joubu: do you happen to have the bug number?
20:19 Joubu 17817
20:19 Joubu bug 17817
20:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17817 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Repeat this Tag (cloning) not working
20:19 cait thx!
20:19 kidclamp #help please look at bug 17817 before 16.11.2
20:19 cait there might be others, I have to catch up a bit with things pushed and reported
20:19 josef_moravec I am planning to sign off on 17817
20:20 kidclamp josef_moravec++
20:20 kidclamp #topic General development discussion
20:20 kidclamp #info Roadmap for The TT syntax for notices?
20:20 Joubu Yes, I'd like to know who is willing to help with that
20:21 Joubu we need a roadmap if we want everything ready for the next release
20:21 josef_moravec Joubu: what is needed?
20:21 Joubu if we do not get people to contribute, I will postpone
20:21 khall I am willing and able, of course
20:21 LibraryClaire what sort of help?
20:21 rangi we might be able to do something, but it all depends on whatever work falls on our plates
20:21 Joubu first need to know who wants to contribute :)
20:21 Joubu any kinds of help
20:21 josef_moravec I like the idea of TT syntax, so when I was able to help, I'd like to
20:22 kidclamp I would like to see it happen so willing to help
20:22 cait testing and documenting I can help with a bit
20:22 Joubu ok perfect :)
20:22 cait Joubu: i saw there is also a patch about translating notices
20:22 LibraryClaire I am willing to help if it is something I can help with
20:22 Joubu so we are too many now :p
20:22 barton I created a notices and slips library: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notices_and_Slips_Library
20:22 cait will they crash or can we make it both work?
20:23 barton ... I was thinking that would be a good place to put example TT notices.
20:23 Joubu yep definitely
20:23 barton I'll be happy to do some wiki wrangling.
20:23 Joubu both will work
20:24 cait cool
20:24 kidclamp is there a list of bugs to prioritize?
20:24 Joubu there is only 1 bug (not pushed yet) which provide a TT version of the notice
20:24 Joubu but it's not possible to make it work with our "old" syntax
20:24 cait hm?
20:24 khall basically, we need a bug/patch for each notice
20:25 Joubu kidclamp: yes, will do that next week
20:25 rangi whats the plan to deal with all the notices created locally?
20:25 Joubu no plan, they will still work
20:25 rangi so both syntaxes will work?
20:25 Joubu both syntaxes will be supported
20:26 rangi good
20:26 Joubu it's already like that actually :)
20:26 cait +1
20:26 Joubu we are just making it the default
20:26 cait that will us also give time to fix stuff we might have missed
20:27 kidclamp #info many willing to help on this, we need to convert all the default notices
20:27 barton khall -- your "bug/patch for each notice" ... that's essentially going to be adding new default notices to the database?
20:28 kidclamp #info more info on the list next week
20:28 kidclamp #topic Benchmark?
20:28 khall_ Barton yep
20:28 Joubu barton: yes
20:28 Joubu yes, benchmarks, I'd like to get feedbacks
20:28 Joubu everybody complains where it's slow
20:28 Joubu but nobody when it's better
20:29 Joubu (ok it's the expected behavior :))
20:29 drojf you want people to complain?
20:29 Joubu but I make things really easy to replay the scripts
20:29 Joubu and see if my numbers are confirmed
20:29 rangi :)
20:29 Joubu I only have 1 laptop, I cannot play it on different machines
20:29 thd s/complain/report/g
20:30 kidclamp #info we need more people to replay the benchmarks and report results
20:30 kidclamp (or clone Joubu)
20:30 Joubu (it was a when, not where, typing to fast)
20:30 Joubu so basically, just try and follow the README
20:30 cait Joubu++ (again :))
20:30 Joubu I know nobody test because there is a bug I did not fix
20:30 Joubu (...)
20:31 kidclamp sneaky
20:31 Joubu If you are fine with my graphs, you can also trust me if you prefer
20:32 Joubu kidclamp: you can move on I think :)
20:32 kidclamp was just going to :-)
20:32 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team
20:32 kidclamp #info where are the QAers?
20:32 Joubu That way I can continue to complain
20:32 rangi i think what we have learned
20:32 thd Joubu: You seem to suggest that you trust yourself better with confirmation ;)
20:33 rangi is that having a QA manager (well having cait really) was incredibly useful
20:33 kidclamp 'tis true
20:33 khall_ Indeed
20:33 Joubu thd: I have a laptop, not a dedicated server. Not the best env to benchmark
20:34 Joubu About the QA, I wanted to highlight that bug 17817
20:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17817 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Repeat this Tag (cloning) not working
20:34 Joubu was waiting since 2017-01-03 for a QA
20:34 Joubu which was very easy
20:34 nuentoter Sorry, was busy, what do I need to do to help benchmark? I have 4 computers to spare
20:34 Joubu it is a critical one, and affect stable release
20:34 Joubu I don't think it is normal
20:35 Joubu (it's not the first time it happens)
20:35 Joubu I hope that the new stuff I added to the dashboard will permit to highlight that better
20:36 Joubu but QAers should be able to find the bugs which are important to QA
20:36 kidclamp #help QA team should be checking critical bugs frequently and keep them moving
20:37 Joubu nuentoter: the entry point is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Benchmark_for_16.11
20:38 kidclamp #info Help for refactoring
20:38 kidclamp Do you have anything specific to add Joubu or just a call on those bugs?
20:39 Joubu Well I did not want to monolog, I don't think it's useful to re-explain these bugs
20:39 Joubu they are omnibus or big refactoring
20:39 rangi i reckon
20:39 Joubu if you want to help
20:39 kidclamp 17196 I did a QA pass, only didn't mark because tcohen had said he was going to look so waited for him
20:40 rangi that we need to get master passing all tests cleanly and for a week or two
20:40 kidclamp and marcel is looking too now I believe
20:40 rangi before we push anymore refactoring
20:40 Joubu kidclamp: yes, better to get 2 on this one :)
20:40 Joubu even 3
20:40 cait bug 17196
20:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17196 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move marcxml out of the biblioitems table
20:41 kidclamp that will break many reports, but should be an improvement in other areas
20:41 rangi if we cant have confidence in the tests, it makes it very hard for me to be confident in the refactored code
20:41 Joubu rangi: the 3 failures on master seems trivial to fix
20:41 cait hm could we mark reports breaking?
20:41 cait like ... amen dthe title?
20:42 cait or give a warning int he update process?
20:42 rangi also refactoring doesnt break things, so maybe just call it rewriting :)
20:42 kidclamp heh
20:43 kidclamp some of these want to get in early so we have time to fix before release though, so don't want to wait too long
20:43 Joubu what is broken?
20:43 wahanui it has been said that broken is not what we want.
20:43 kidclamp in case of anything we do miss
20:43 rangi (only half joking, refactoring should not change any functionality, sounds like we plan to change reports functionality, hence that is a rewrite)
20:43 barton cait: I think that it should be fairly easy to add warns on the update process.
20:43 cait yeah both would not be hard
20:44 cait i think it would be nice to have a visual clue, that the report needs to be fixed
20:44 Joubu we can also say that 17196 is a bug fix :)
20:44 barton FWIW, I think most of the broken reports should be pretty easy to fix.
20:44 kidclamp generally it just requires a join to the metadata table
20:44 cait i know
20:45 cait i just was wondering if we could make the work of fixing them easier for the library
20:45 cait like helping to spot the ones that need to be fixed
20:45 drojf thats a lot of magic for people that copied a report from the wiki once in their life
20:45 barton right... and in most cases, it's probably going to be a matter of s/biblioitems/metadata/g
20:45 kidclamp Add to release notes a report to find all reports containing 'marcxml'
20:45 Joubu kidclamp: that even should be added to the update DB entry
20:46 cait yeah, that was the kid of thing i was thinkig of :)
20:46 cait or we could add a FIXME in front of the report title?
20:47 drojf if we change the title we can just change the report
20:47 cait but the report is a good idea
20:47 Joubu FF tells me that there is more than 100 matches of "marcxml" on https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
20:47 cait drojf: i tihnk we can't savely
20:47 drojf or make a copy that regexes it right
20:47 cait too many different ways to do it
20:47 cait you have to do a new join
20:47 barton we'll also need to update https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
20:47 drojf we got a wiki curator for that, right
20:47 cait i don't think automatically rewriting the reports is an easy task
20:48 drojf i was not volunteering, that's for sure :P
20:48 kidclamp cait: agreed - everyone writes reports differently, trying to fix is likely to break more :-)
20:48 barton cait: in it's most generic form, I think you're right.
20:48 kidclamp I think a warning in release notes, database udpate, and on the wiki should cover things pretty well
20:48 Joubu how could we fix the wiki page?
20:49 Joubu if we have only 1 version, it won't work for older stables
20:49 Joubu if we have 2 versions, the wiki page will be...gigantic
20:49 cait we could move the catalouging reports out
20:50 kidclamp I think just add to the section for querying marc a pre17.05 and post 17.05 section
20:50 cait on a separate page - and say 17.05+
20:50 cait the page already loads forever, might be good to start splitting it up that way
20:50 kidclamp someone was moving all the reprt sections to their own pages weren't they?
20:51 drojf which is annoying for just searching through all of them. but maybe that is just my approach to mysql :P
20:51 barton kidclamp: yeah, there's a note from Brooke, but I don't know where the new pages are.
20:51 cait i think no progress there for a while
20:52 barton It wouldn't be hard to actually refactor the page into sections and just have https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library be a list of links to the pages...
20:52 barton but that's off topic.
20:53 kidclamp volunteering barton?
20:53 kidclamp I will put a call out on the list and see if we can enlist help/ideas
20:53 kidclamp (and I will do it sooner rather than later)
20:53 barton kidclamp: If we can figure out how we're going to handle the 17.05+ reports, yes.
20:54 kidclamp #action kidclamp will email the list for help in preparing reports affected by bug 17196
20:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17196 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move marcxml out of the biblioitems table
20:54 davidnind I am happy to work on this, including putting together some initial ideas and plan to address the current challenges
20:54 cait davidnind++
20:54 LibraryClaire i think adding a new page for 17.05+ reports and linking to them from the current ones isn't a bad plan
20:54 kidclamp you want to send out the note davidnind
20:54 kidclamp ?
20:54 kidclamp davidnind++
20:54 davidnind kidclamp: will do
20:55 rangi anyone know what happened with https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Mana_central_database
20:55 barton davidnind: very good. Ping me when you've got a plan; I can copy the reports library into vim and hack and slash.
20:55 kidclamp #action nvm, davidnind will send out the note about reports
20:55 kidclamp (he is kidclamp's new favorite)
20:55 rangi because if the reports were going to end up in there, they could be versioned pretty easily
20:55 kidclamp I think Pual just announced a new staffer working on Mana
20:56 Joubu rangi: Paul announces the arrival of a new intern at BibLIbre for 6 months
20:56 drojf rangi: i think the new biblibre intern is going to work on it?
20:56 rangi id make sure you talk with them then, to make sure that they think about versioning reports
20:56 cait jinx? :)
20:56 kidclamp #topic Next Meeting
20:56 davidnind barton: thanks
20:56 kidclamp tcohen said he wanted more of these meetings, so two weeks out?
20:56 Joubu rangi: yes, we talked about that at the hackfest in Marseille
20:57 kidclamp January 25th at 13 UTC?
20:57 LibraryClaire fine by me
20:58 Joubu cal
20:58 Joubu oops
20:58 Joubu yep
20:58 kidclamp #info Next meeting is 25 January 2017, 13 UTC
20:58 cait kidclamp++
20:58 kidclamp #endmeeting
20:59 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Jan 11 20:59:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:59 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_11_january_2017.2017-01-11-20.01.html
20:59 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_11_january_2017.2017-01-11-20.01.txt
20:59 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_11_january_2017.2017-01-11-20.01.log.html
20:59 LibraryClaire kidclamp++
20:59 Joubu less than 1 hour, good job :)
20:59 kidclamp Joubu++
20:59 davidnind kidclamp++
20:59 josef_moravec kidclamp++
21:00 Joubu Sorry, I only found topics to grumble :)
21:00 * LibraryClaire sends Joubu beer
21:01 barton In the "For what it's worth" category, I just ran grep marcxml /tmp/mysql_reports_library.txt | wc -l -- there were only 118 hits.
21:01 Joubu that will be weird after the tisane!
21:01 * cait sends Joubu snacks to go with it
21:02 barton ... with a little bit of teamwork, I think that all of those could be converted in a day or two.
21:02 reed_ Hi all - I just wanted to drop in and say I'm still looking at redhat/centos install simplification - but not had heaps of time to give it - will let you all know when there's something to see.
21:03 reed_ Also -- thanks everybody. Koha is part of my evidence the world is still a nice place to live.
21:03 cait :)
21:03 rangi reed_: excellent :)
21:03 cait reed_++
21:03 barton That needs to go into the quote list.
21:07 drojf bye #koha
21:09 josef_moravec Joubu: is bug 17829 ready for some kind of testing?
21:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Move GetMember to Koha::Patron
21:09 Joubu not at all :)
21:09 Joubu it's a first shoot
21:09 Joubu a crazy one...
21:10 Joubu josef_moravec: you can see at the different patches applied on the github branch
21:10 Joubu and sign off them all :)
21:15 Joubu bye #koha!
21:28 LibraryClaire g'night #koha
21:38 kidclamp @later tell LibraryClaire Quack!
21:38 huginn` kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
22:24 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
22:24 mtompset @seen tcohen
22:24 huginn` mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 38 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: * tcohen learnt to love cider
22:26 mtompset @later tell tcohen are you talking about the restart failing for koha-zebra? Yes, I have had it not restart *ALWAYS*. The log_end triggers an end of script end, so the && doesn't get evaluated -- as far as I can tell.
22:26 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded.
22:27 mtompset @later tell tcohen where log_end is whatever msg-y thing in the other function.
22:27 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded.
22:27 mtompset Greetings, alexbuckley alexbuckley_
22:28 mtompset Sorry if I'm being too tough. :)
22:28 mtompset You're doing great.
22:28 mtompset @seen Joubu
22:28 huginn` mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 13 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <Joubu> bye #koha!
22:30 dac restart failing for koha-zebra. That sounds super familiar.
22:49 rangi hmm still waiting for the big equinox news
22:50 dcook Oh yeah... I was wondering about that as well
22:50 bag hmm what did I miss?
22:54 dcook rangi: Is there a new version of git bz?
22:54 dcook Getting a "Suspicious Action" when I'm trying to submit..
22:55 dcook Actually, I was able to attach one..
22:55 dcook Maybe because I tried to change the status twice in a row..
22:56 bag irclogs?
22:56 bag logs?
22:56 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
22:58 dcook bag: I think rangi shared a tweet about it yesterday
22:58 bag thanks dcook that was the next step in my reference interview
22:58 dcook hehe
22:59 bag reference interview via irc/google
22:59 dcook I think my favourite reference interview was when I was trying out a library's MSN reference service
22:59 dcook I learned that bananas are technically berries :p
22:59 dcook Although I couldn't get a definitive answer as to why bananas had peels
23:00 dcook Actually, I've had a few really good online reference interviews as a patron..
23:00 bag evreything in life is a reference interview
23:00 * dcook checks what time it is in Portland
23:00 bag it’s 3pm
23:00 dcook Yeah, I see that
23:01 dcook On a wednesday
23:01 bag dcook we got a foot of snow last night
23:01 bag seattle got none ;)
23:01 dcook Crazy weather at the moment, no?
23:01 bag crazy
23:01 dcook I was in Seattle a few weeks ago, and my wife was delighted by the snow, although I think it was mostly a dusting
23:01 dcook Enough to get the trains cancelled though
23:02 bag crazy because the blazers are still having their game tonight - I’ve got tickets
23:02 dcook I was on a cab to the train station at 6am and got a text saying my train was cancelled...
23:02 bag should be fun getting there - the buses are still running
23:02 dcook Do you have many hills in Portland?
23:03 dcook Also, every time I think of you in Portland, I think about this: Also, is Po
23:03 dcook Ack
23:03 bag yes we live at the base of Mount Tabor an old volcano
23:03 dcook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_HGqPGp9iY
23:04 dcook Just thinking of all those videos of buses sliding down hills..
23:04 dcook @wunder syd
23:04 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, Australia is 24.0°C (9:30 AM AEDT on January 12, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
23:04 dcook I suppose I can't complain here
23:06 dcook (and this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZt-pOc3moc)
23:19 dcook rangi: Bug 17882 is probably another good one for Academy folk
23:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17882 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , C4::Installer::PerlModules::version_info() drops data during error handling
23:19 dcook I'll add a keyword..
23:22 aleisha thanks for that dcook!
23:22 dcook Noo worries
23:22 dcook I have another one coming in a few minutes too with the installer
23:22 aleisha sweet
23:22 aleisha reminds me i should start prepping some bugs for academy too
23:23 dcook I was half-tempted just to do bug reports for these and move on, but I figure they're small enough changes that I should just sit down and do them now..
23:23 mtompset git bz is using Jonathan's autofind dependencies now on kohadevbox, I think.
23:23 dcook mtompset: I have no idea what "Jonathan's autofind dependencies" is
23:24 * dcook also doesn't use kohadevbox :p
23:24 mtompset Joubu wrote a branched fork which finds the missing dependencies and applies them for the patch being specified in the git bz.
23:24 mtompset It's on his github, I vaguely recall.
23:25 dcook ok...
23:26 mtompset Mount Tabor? .... Tabor... Isn't that Bible College/University and some mountain reference in the Bible, bag?
23:28 bag it’s a biblical reference that’s for sure
23:28 bag and yes it’s the mountain that you are thinking of ;) well the reference and the naming of this local one
23:28 bag I think it was named in the mid 1800s
23:29 bag one sec mtompset - I have a history doc on that
23:29 * mtompset smirks.
23:29 mtompset The 1890's? ;)
23:29 bag mtompset: http://www.pps.net/domain/1984
23:29 mtompset See how I tied it back into dcook's video? :)
23:30 bag At a congregational meeting the name Mt. Zion had already been selected when Plympton Kelly arrived, late. He had been engrossed in Joel T. Headley's book Napoleon and his Marshall and was afire with enthusiasm about a battle between the French and the Moslems near Mt. Tabor, on the Plain of Estraelon in Palestine. His zeal convinced the congregation that Mt. Zion (a popular name in those years) was too common, and that Mt. Tabor was more
23:30 bag suitable to a mountain housing a religious group such as theirs.
23:30 mtompset Interesting.
23:30 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
23:31 bag 1854
23:31 bag that will be the school that Ginny starts kindergarten at next fall
23:32 mtompset dcook: Well, the only advantage of not using kohadevbox is avoiding the caching headaches. ;)
23:32 mtompset But if you have thoe already configured in what you use for development, kohadevbox is worth a whirl.
23:33 dcook I think I'm good for now.
23:34 dcook I'll try it out at some point as it's a cool idea though.
23:34 dcook Also, while koha-gitify is cool, it's unusable for changes to a lot of things
23:34 mtompset Does make testing debian/scripts tweaks easier too. :)
23:34 dcook I don't use Debian :)
23:35 dcook If I did, I would use it for sure though
23:35 mtompset Bravo soul you are. :)
23:35 * dcook shrugs
23:35 dcook It's not that hard really
23:35 dcook It lets us do things our own way as well
23:35 dcook For better or worse : p
23:36 dcook I'd like to make RPMs at some point, but don't have enough time to be a RPM package manager
23:36 dcook There is someone who has packaged up all the Perl for Fedora though, which is awesome
23:36 dcook Although we use OpenSuse, so that doesn't quite help us.
23:36 dcook And OpenSuse's cpanspec tool suuuucks
23:36 dcook Fedora's is awesome though
23:37 * dcook looks up whether perlenv is a thing
23:37 dcook With Plack, it would be awesome to use something like Carton or some other kind of virtual environment
23:37 dcook Mind you... that really gets into that awful space of whether packages are better or not..
23:38 dcook plenv. Maybe that's what it's called
23:38 dcook Anywho. *puts head down again*