Time Nick Message 07:06 mig hi friends at koha 07:07 mig need help in migrating to koha from excel 07:08 mig i am using marcedit 07:09 mig when i gave a field mapping for accession number with field 0 as 541##$e 07:09 mig marcedit tells to gve subfields in 245 $a 07:10 mig what does it mean to do... 07:13 alex_a bonjour 07:14 mig hi all 07:14 mig any help 07:14 wahanui i think any help is appreciated ;) 07:39 reiveune hello 07:39 wahanui hey, reiveune 07:46 marcelr hi #koha 08:01 mig how good is using openrefine to convert data 08:23 schnydszch hi Koha community! do we have a meeting today? 08:42 marcelr hi schnydszch : i think you missed it 08:43 schnydszch I think so, i did not realized that 4:00 is 4:00 AM in our time 08:43 schnydszch I only realized that now. Sorry 08:44 cait happy new year rocio :) 08:44 rocio happy new year to you! thank you cait :-) 08:48 * bahaa slaps bahaa around a bit with a large fishbot 08:54 mig hi all 08:54 mig anybody there to help 08:54 bahaa hi 08:54 wahanui bidet, bahaa 08:55 bahaa Wayne appreciate benefited from this Chat 09:14 bahaa السلام عليكم 09:14 bahaa اكو واØد عربي 09:14 mig is there a free/opensource alternative to marcedit 09:16 mig wa alaikum assalaam bahaa 09:16 cait mig: sorry, not aware of one, but i think there might be other programs you can edit marc with 09:16 cait probably not with the same feature set 09:16 cait in Linux I have used this occasionally: https://galencharlton.com/blog/2013/10/introducing-the-next-new-marc-editor-vim/ 09:21 mig cait , i am using marcedit, when i gave a field mapping for accession number with field 0 as 541##$e marcedit gives a maping error 09:22 mig i have a spreadsheet converted to tab-limited text file with necessary fields in different columns 09:22 liw @wunder helsinki 09:22 huginn` liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is -18.0°C (10:50 AM EET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -28.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 09:28 cait for help with marcedit, better ask on its own mailng list 09:29 cait people here will probably not be able to help with such specific questions 09:29 cait but take a look at the koha manual for how to create items - I think 541 might not be correct 09:29 cait depending on what you try to do - is that your barcode/number for checkout? 09:35 magnuse @wunder enbo 09:35 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0°C (10:20 AM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -20.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). 09:35 magnuse liw wins 09:36 liw it's not a competition but if it were "winning" wouldn't be what I'm doing 09:37 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 09:37 huginn` ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is -1.0°C (9:37 AM GMT on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). 09:38 * cait waves at ashimema 09:38 ashimema hi ciat 09:38 cait happy new year :) 09:39 magnuse liw: :-) 09:39 ashimema happy new year #koha 09:39 magnuse happy new year ashimema 09:39 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:39 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 0.7°C (10:32 AM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 09:39 cait and happy new year, liw too :) 09:40 cait it's snowing here, rather prettily 10:38 drojf hi #koha 10:41 drojf in 16.05.05, when i add a MANUAL_INV type of fine, i get a checkout block, even though i set ManInvInNoissuesCharge to "don't include". is that a bug or am i doing something wrong 10:47 drojf ah it might be maxoutstanding 10:48 drojf hm no 10:58 drojf does not work for me in master either 10:59 kivilahtio Is there a reason why <elasticsearch> -config is not in the etc/koha-conf.xml? 11:00 kivilahtio can I add it there with a Bugzilla bug? 11:08 magnuse @wunder kautokeino 11:08 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -33.0°C (10:00 AM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -35.0°C. Pressure: 30.35 in 1028 hPa (Rising). 11:08 magnuse they had -42 last night 11:09 marcelr brrr 11:09 kivilahtio Where can I find the newest HEAD of elasticsearch development? 11:10 kivilahtio catalyst's git repo's elastic-branch was 1 months old 11:10 kivilahtio catalyst's git repo's elastic-branch was 11 months old 11:10 kivilahtio I need a new keyboard.. 11:10 marcelr maybe nothing happened after that. kivilahtio 11:11 kivilahtio marcelr: could be. So you think most of the bugs are pushed to master and then extra development happens via Bugzilla? 11:11 kivilahtio marcelr: just asking so I know where to contribute 11:11 marcelr i think so, but you could ask chris or a catalyst guy to be sure 11:12 kivilahtio marcelr: ok. Thanks 11:13 kivilahtio marcelr: looks like the install instructions in KohaDevBox are the correct ones and produce the newest version of ElasticSearch 11:13 kivilahtio + assortment of Bugzilla bugs 11:13 marcelr k 11:14 eythian @wunder jordaan, ams 11:14 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 5.8°C (12:11 PM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady). 11:22 cait oh tropical 11:22 drojf bug 17850 11:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17850 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ManInvInNoissuesCharge does not seem to work 11:22 drojf i'd be happy to be proven wrong 11:23 drojf bonus bug, the german translation speaks of overdues in the "blocked" message 11:24 eythian cait: it's so tropical that the windchill actually makes it warmer! 11:24 cait i think kidclamp was workingon it 11:24 cait kivilahtio: they said something about update to 2.4 in the meeting yesterday 11:24 cait kivilahtio: maybe talk to kidclamp when he is around 11:25 kivilahtio cait: thanks. Bug 17255 seems to be about the upgrade 11:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17255 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Upgrade Elastic Search code to work with version 2.4+ 11:25 kidclamp I put the update of what I did top get things working on the bug 11:25 cait and there he is :) 11:26 kidclamp kivilahtio - I haven't played with facets yet, but will soon - the catalyst code will need rebasing onto master at some point too 11:26 kivilahtio kidclamp: do you know wo is working et Elasticsearch atm? 11:26 kivilahtio kidclamp: like who is paid to do so? 11:27 kidclamp I believe Catalyst - rangi and srdjan 11:27 kivilahtio kidclamp: so how is the catalyst-code different from what we have in master? 11:28 kivilahtio kidclamp: I recall there was two version. One which changed pretty much nothing, just runs elasticsearch together with Zebra 11:28 kivilahtio kidclamp: and one which replaces most of the old serach bits with elasticsearch? 11:28 kivilahtio kidclamp: and one which replaces most of the old search bits with elasticsearch? 11:28 kidclamp I am only aware of the first - elastic running beside zebra 11:29 kidclamp I think we need to get es running well next to sebra so we can compare for a while and tweak mapppings/relevance 11:29 kidclamp changes for 2.4 aren't too big, you can see here: http://git.catalyst.co.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch/Search.pm;h=46fc6e1a3a799ec2663d4ee704685bcde401e0fc;hp=212a56127d2c7183cdf669eee6c477a7af479f3c;hb=4e6f1f431548f1494309b452388cd926a7f96a11;hpb=f5d562647a95442fe6f34e9b0c4d186950174118 11:29 kidclamp http://git.catalyst.co.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=4e6f1f431548f1494309b452388cd926a7f96a11 11:29 kidclamp second one, sorry 11:30 kivilahtio kidclamp: what we want is facets from Elasticsearch directly 11:30 kidclamp then there are other things to investigate once 2.x is working - like joubus patron search 11:31 kivilahtio I guess everybody wants ElasticSearch facets 11:31 kidclamp yes, just is a change to search reqeuest - we have to request 'aggregations' on the indexes we are faceting 11:31 kivilahtio kidclamp: ok. 11:31 kidclamp in theory it is simple - but haven't actually tried it yet 11:31 kivilahtio kidclamp: I read Mastering Elasticsearch a long time ago and getting facets wasn'tthat involved 11:32 cait i think the plan was to get 2.4 first and then build on top of that? 11:32 cait afaik there is no 'replacing version' - you might be thinking about how SOLR was done at first 11:32 kidclamp yeah, we had facets working, 2.x switches to aggregations and that is what we need to do 11:32 kivilahtio but cant remember much about the specfics any more 11:32 kivilahtio hi tcohen 11:32 cait we also need Zebra atm to provide Z39.50 and SRU 11:32 kivilahtio I am trying to catch up on Elasticsearch happenings and where the latest development head is going 11:33 kivilahtio cait: I am hoping it wouldn't be too difficult introducing SRU to Elasticsearch 11:33 kivilahtio there has to be a ready implementation somewhere already 11:33 cait can't tell, but sure is good not to try it all at once 11:33 cait but get things right this time step by step 11:33 cait otherwise I think we'd just end up with another Search.pm 11:35 kidclamp kivilahtio - pianohacker intended bug 13937 as a start to providing z39 via elastic 11:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13937 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Add a Z39.50 daemon that can inject item status MARC subfields 11:35 kivilahtio kidclamp: why do we need to inject item statuses to z39.50? 11:35 kidclamp it needs tests 11:35 cait kivilahtio: I think because some external systems doesn't like that koha has not one but multiple fields to check for determining status 11:36 cait lost, damaged, on loan, restricted, etc. 11:36 kidclamp what cait said :-) 11:36 cait they want 'one field of truth' 11:36 kidclamp they want one field 11:36 kivilahtio ok 11:36 cait so the bug description is a bit misleading for starting an SRU :) 11:36 kivilahtio that is a bit ambivalent considering the arcance permutations of availability in Koha 11:37 kidclamp heh, the underlying concept is catching the z39 request and routing it/altering it as we want to 11:37 kidclamp does one thing - opens the door for others 11:38 eythian I remember writing the facets code for ES and then reading a few days later that it was deprecated. It was so annoying. 11:39 * cait sends ginger bread cookies 11:39 kivilahtio eythian: all we can do is our best :) 11:40 kivilahtio eythian: I am sure what you wrote is a good foundation to rebase 11:41 eythian I hope so, for all your sakes :) that said, I doubt that updating the code that's there would be particularly hard, it doesn't really doing anything too complicated (from memory: it's been about a year since I've looked at it.) 11:41 kivilahtio ok 11:41 kivilahtio Ill go back into turning Elasticsearch on on our new Ubuntu16.04 LXC-containers :) 11:42 eythian "doesn't really doing" ... I shouldn't be back from holiday ... 11:42 kivilahtio I'll see what I come up, already wriiting installer for makefile and found a bug in Makefile.PL :) 11:42 kivilahtio eythian: I need a holiday 11:43 eythian I recommend them 11:43 kivilahtio eythian: luckily fridays is a public holiday and wife left me home for the weekend and too the kid with her 11:43 kivilahtio I wonder what to play 11:43 kivilahtio maybe 7D2D :) 11:43 kivilahtio it is super cool 11:44 eythian I am in the worst country in Europe for public holidays :( 11:45 kivilahtio I have to wonder why in a state with free religion I am forced to have a vacation due to some religious event 11:45 kivilahtio Not all religions share the same dates 11:46 eythian there's exactly that conversation happening where I work at the moment: should it be OK to work easter and take the holiday off when you want in the next 6 months. 11:46 * eythian lunches 11:48 cait public holidays have the advantage of everything being closed 11:48 cait if you can move them as you want... someone probably has to keep shops open etc 11:48 oleonard Hi all 11:48 cait I'd prefer to keep the all is closed holiday and just ignore why it is one :) 11:48 kivilahtio hi oleonard 11:48 wahanui hi olé onard 11:48 cait hi oleonard :) 11:48 kivilahtio cait: that is a good point 11:52 cait hm more snow 11:53 oleonard @wunder 45701 11:53 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Longview Hts, Athens, Ohio is -6.2°C (6:52 AM EST on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 9 am this morning to 3 am EST Friday... 11:53 drojf @wunder sxf 11:53 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is -2.0°C (12:20 PM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 11:53 cait @wunder Konstanz 11:53 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 2.5°C (12:42 PM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 12:26 oleonard I added a minor followup to Bug 16239 which needs signoff if anyone is willing to look. 12:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Needs Signoff , Upgrade Bootstrap in the staff client 12:27 oleonard I think we should push those patches as soon as possible to give lots of time for bugs to shake out 12:27 cait +1 12:51 cait Joubu++ for noting where a bug originated from often - much easier to see what's needed and what not 13:37 oleonard Okay... weird question if anyone is awake. I'm working on a Mac today, accidentally hit CMD+F4 while in a Virtualbox Debian guest. This killed the GUI and took me to a debian login prompt. Did I lose my work, or can I get back to the GUI and continue somehow? 13:43 oleonard Never mind I think I got it 14:10 Joubu @later tell rangi the certificate for bugs needs to be renewed 14:10 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:18 cait Joubu: just left him a Twitter DM too 14:18 cait :) 14:20 gmcharlt @quote random 14:20 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #239: "slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:54 AM, April 03, 2013) 14:41 oleonard "man cannot live by beer alone" [citation needed] 14:42 drojf heh 14:43 * drojf got snow 14:43 drojf a lot of it 14:43 wahanui i guess a lot of it is just making sure we get our books back 14:43 drojf @wunder sxf 14:43 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is -3.0°C (3:20 PM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Rising). 14:54 oleonard Is there a good way to verify that ansible installed correctly on a Mac? I got some warnings about directory ownership when I installed. 15:07 eythian oleonard: does it work? that seems like a good way to test :) 15:08 kivilahtio oleonard: I recommend installing the pip packages under user root 15:08 kivilahtio not as sudo pip install 15:08 kivilahtio but sudo su 15:08 kivilahtio pip install 15:17 tcohen hi 15:17 wahanui salut, tcohen 15:18 tcohen marcelr: around? 15:18 marcelr hi tcohen 15:18 tcohen quick question 15:19 marcelr yes 15:19 tcohen how is the Koha::Upload-ed files 15:19 tcohen cleanup done 15:19 marcelr superb 15:19 marcelr :) 15:20 marcelr patches are simple to read 15:20 tcohen my question is about temporary files 15:20 tcohen the patches seem simpĺe, i'm testing them 15:20 marcelr i have few extra bugs about temp uploads, you saw them? 15:20 tcohen nope 15:21 marcelr let me see 15:21 marcelr bug 17669 15:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17669 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add purging temporary uploads to cleanup_database 15:21 marcelr bug 17777 15:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17777 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , koha-remove should deal with temporary uploads 15:22 marcelr those two 15:22 tcohen ok 15:23 marcelr the cleanup is pref based (number of days before purging) 15:24 marcelr appreciate your testing; just ask if you see something strange 16:04 oleonard Thanks kivilahtio, I took eythian's suggestion first so I didn't get to try yours 16:55 bag morning 17:00 oleonard Hi bag 17:01 bag hiya oleonard 17:07 reiveune bye 17:21 tcohen morning 19:29 rangi morning 19:43 tcohen hi rangi 19:44 oleonard tcohen I have a kohadevbox question if you have a moment 19:44 tcohen only half a moment, but shoot 19:45 oleonard I'm setting it up on my mac for the first time and I'm finding that it doesn't seem to be making changes the hosts file. Shouldn't it? 19:45 tcohen it only changes /etc/exports if I recall 19:46 tcohen if you want name-based access you need to do it yourself 19:46 tcohen sudo vim /etc/hosts 19:47 oleonard Okay thanks 19:47 tcohen i have 127.0.0.1 kohadev on my hosts file 19:47 tcohen and kohadev-intra 19:47 * tcohen is checking 19:48 tcohen and tweaked vars/user.yml 19:48 tcohen have to run 19:48 tcohen bye! 22:28 rangi @later tell joubu http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=hea.git;a=summary 22:28 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded. 22:35 rangi @later tell joubu https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/enter_bug.cgi?product=Project%20Infrastructure 22:35 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.