Time  Nick       Message
07:06 mig        hi friends at koha
07:07 mig        need help in migrating to koha from excel
07:08 mig        i am using marcedit
07:09 mig        when i gave a field mapping for accession number with field 0 as 541##$e
07:09 mig        marcedit tells to gve subfields in 245 $a
07:10 mig        what does it mean to do...
07:13 alex_a     bonjour
07:14 mig        hi all
07:14 mig        any help
07:14 wahanui    i think any help is appreciated ;)
07:39 reiveune   hello
07:39 wahanui    hey, reiveune
07:46 marcelr    hi #koha
08:01 mig        how good is using openrefine to convert data
08:23 schnydszch hi Koha community! do we have a meeting today?
08:42 marcelr    hi schnydszch : i think you missed it
08:43 schnydszch I think so, i did not realized that 4:00 is 4:00 AM in our time
08:43 schnydszch I only realized that now. Sorry
08:44 cait       happy new year rocio :)
08:44 rocio      happy new year to you! thank you cait :-)
08:48 * bahaa    slaps bahaa around a bit with a large fishbot
08:54 mig        hi all
08:54 mig        anybody there to help
08:54 bahaa      hi
08:54 wahanui    bidet, bahaa
08:55 bahaa      Wayne appreciate benefited from this Chat
09:14 bahaa      السلام عليكم
09:14 bahaa      اكو واحد عربي
09:14 mig        is there a free/opensource alternative to marcedit
09:16 mig        wa alaikum assalaam bahaa
09:16 cait       mig: sorry, not aware of one, but i think there might be other programs you can edit marc with
09:16 cait       probably not with the same feature set
09:16 cait       in Linux I have used this occasionally: https://galencharlton.com/blog/2013/10/introducing-the-next-new-marc-editor-vim/
09:21 mig        cait , i am using marcedit, when i gave a field mapping for accession number with field 0 as 541##$e marcedit gives a maping error
09:22 mig        i have a spreadsheet converted to tab-limited text file with necessary fields in different columns
09:22 liw        @wunder helsinki
09:22 huginn`    liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is -18.0°C (10:50 AM EET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -28.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
09:28 cait       for help with marcedit, better ask on its own mailng list
09:29 cait       people here will probably not be able to help with such specific questions
09:29 cait       but take a look at the koha manual for how to create items - I think 541 might not be correct
09:29 cait       depending on what you try to do - is that your barcode/number for checkout?
09:35 magnuse    @wunder enbo
09:35 huginn`    magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0°C (10:20 AM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -20.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling).
09:35 magnuse    liw wins
09:36 liw        it's not a competition but if it were "winning" wouldn't be what I'm doing
09:37 ashimema   @wunder stevenage, uk
09:37 huginn`    ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is -1.0°C (9:37 AM GMT on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady).
09:38 * cait     waves at ashimema
09:38 ashimema   hi ciat
09:38 cait       happy new year :)
09:39 magnuse    liw: :-)
09:39 ashimema   happy new year #koha
09:39 magnuse    happy new year ashimema
09:39 cait       @wunder Konstanz
09:39 huginn`    cait: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 0.7°C (10:32 AM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
09:39 cait       and happy new year, liw too :)
09:40 cait       it's snowing here, rather prettily
10:38 drojf      hi #koha
10:41 drojf      in 16.05.05, when i add a MANUAL_INV type of fine, i get a checkout block, even though i set ManInvInNoissuesCharge to "don't include". is that a bug or am i doing something wrong
10:47 drojf      ah it might be maxoutstanding
10:48 drojf      hm no
10:58 drojf      does not work for me in master either
10:59 kivilahtio Is there a reason why <elasticsearch> -config is not in the etc/koha-conf.xml?
11:00 kivilahtio can I add it there with a Bugzilla bug?
11:08 magnuse    @wunder kautokeino
11:08 huginn`    magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -33.0°C (10:00 AM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -35.0°C. Pressure: 30.35 in 1028 hPa (Rising).
11:08 magnuse    they had -42 last night
11:09 marcelr    brrr
11:09 kivilahtio Where can I find the newest HEAD of elasticsearch development?
11:10 kivilahtio catalyst's git repo's elastic-branch was 1 months old
11:10 kivilahtio catalyst's git repo's elastic-branch was 11 months old
11:10 kivilahtio I need a new keyboard..
11:10 marcelr    maybe nothing happened after that. kivilahtio
11:11 kivilahtio marcelr: could be. So you think most of the bugs are pushed to master and then extra development happens via Bugzilla?
11:11 kivilahtio marcelr: just asking so I know where to contribute
11:11 marcelr    i think so, but you could ask chris or a catalyst guy to be sure
11:12 kivilahtio marcelr: ok. Thanks
11:13 kivilahtio marcelr: looks like the install instructions in KohaDevBox are the correct ones and produce the newest version of ElasticSearch
11:13 kivilahtio + assortment of Bugzilla bugs
11:13 marcelr    k
11:14 eythian    @wunder jordaan, ams
11:14 huginn`    eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 5.8°C (12:11 PM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady).
11:22 cait       oh tropical
11:22 drojf      bug 17850
11:22 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17850 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ManInvInNoissuesCharge does not seem to work
11:22 drojf      i'd be happy to be proven wrong
11:23 drojf      bonus bug, the german translation speaks of overdues in the "blocked" message
11:24 eythian    cait: it's so tropical that the windchill actually makes it warmer!
11:24 cait       i think kidclamp was workingon it
11:24 cait       kivilahtio: they said something about update to 2.4 in the meeting yesterday
11:24 cait       kivilahtio: maybe talk to kidclamp when he is around
11:25 kivilahtio cait: thanks. Bug 17255 seems to be about the upgrade
11:25 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17255 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Upgrade Elastic Search code to work with version 2.4+
11:25 kidclamp   I put the update of what I did top get things working on the bug
11:25 cait       and there he is :)
11:26 kidclamp   kivilahtio - I haven't played with facets yet, but will soon - the catalyst code will need rebasing onto master at some point too
11:26 kivilahtio kidclamp: do you know wo is working et Elasticsearch atm?
11:26 kivilahtio kidclamp: like who is paid to do so?
11:27 kidclamp   I believe Catalyst - rangi and srdjan
11:27 kivilahtio kidclamp: so how is the catalyst-code different from what we have in master?
11:28 kivilahtio kidclamp: I recall there was two version. One which changed pretty much nothing, just runs elasticsearch together with Zebra
11:28 kivilahtio kidclamp: and one which replaces most of the old serach bits with elasticsearch?
11:28 kivilahtio kidclamp: and one which replaces most of the old search bits with elasticsearch?
11:28 kidclamp   I am only aware of the first - elastic running beside zebra
11:29 kidclamp   I think we need to get es running well next to sebra so we can compare for a while and tweak mapppings/relevance
11:29 kidclamp   changes for 2.4 aren't too big, you can see here: http://git.catalyst.co.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch/Search.pm;h=46fc6e1a3a799ec2663d4ee704685bcde401e0fc;hp=212a56127d2c7183cdf669eee6c477a7af479f3c;hb=4e6f1f431548f1494309b452388cd926a7f96a11;hpb=f5d562647a95442fe6f34e9b0c4d186950174118
11:29 kidclamp   http://git.catalyst.co.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=4e6f1f431548f1494309b452388cd926a7f96a11
11:29 kidclamp   second one, sorry
11:30 kivilahtio kidclamp: what we want is facets from Elasticsearch directly
11:30 kidclamp   then there are other things to investigate once 2.x is working - like joubus patron search
11:31 kivilahtio I guess everybody wants ElasticSearch facets
11:31 kidclamp   yes, just is a change to search reqeuest - we have to request 'aggregations' on the indexes we are faceting
11:31 kivilahtio kidclamp: ok.
11:31 kidclamp   in theory it is simple - but haven't actually tried it yet
11:31 kivilahtio kidclamp: I read Mastering Elasticsearch a long time ago and getting facets wasn'tthat involved
11:32 cait       i think the plan was to get 2.4 first and then build on top of that?
11:32 cait       afaik there is no 'replacing version' - you might be thinking about how SOLR was done at first
11:32 kidclamp   yeah, we had facets working, 2.x switches to aggregations and that is what we need to do
11:32 kivilahtio but cant remember much about the specfics any more
11:32 kivilahtio hi tcohen
11:32 cait       we also need Zebra atm to provide Z39.50 and SRU
11:32 kivilahtio I am trying to catch up on Elasticsearch happenings and where the latest development head is going
11:33 kivilahtio cait: I am hoping it wouldn't be too difficult introducing SRU to Elasticsearch
11:33 kivilahtio there has to be a ready implementation somewhere already
11:33 cait       can't tell, but sure is good not to try it all at once
11:33 cait       but get things right this time step by step
11:33 cait       otherwise I think we'd just end up with another Search.pm
11:35 kidclamp   kivilahtio - pianohacker intended bug 13937 as a start to providing z39 via elastic
11:35 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13937 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Add a Z39.50 daemon that can inject item status MARC subfields
11:35 kivilahtio kidclamp: why do we need to inject item statuses to z39.50?
11:35 kidclamp   it needs tests
11:35 cait       kivilahtio: I think because some external systems doesn't like that koha has not one but multiple fields to check for determining status
11:36 cait       lost, damaged, on loan, restricted, etc.
11:36 kidclamp   what cait said :-)
11:36 cait       they want 'one field of truth'
11:36 kidclamp   they want one field
11:36 kivilahtio ok
11:36 cait       so the bug description is a bit misleading for starting an SRU :)
11:36 kivilahtio that is a bit ambivalent considering the arcance permutations of availability in Koha
11:37 kidclamp   heh, the underlying concept is catching the z39 request and routing it/altering it as we want to
11:37 kidclamp   does one thing - opens the door for others
11:38 eythian    I remember writing the facets code for ES and then reading a few days later that it was deprecated. It was so annoying.
11:39 * cait     sends ginger bread cookies
11:39 kivilahtio eythian: all we can do is our best :)
11:40 kivilahtio eythian: I am sure what you wrote is a good foundation to rebase
11:41 eythian    I hope so, for all your sakes :) that said, I doubt that updating the code that's there would be particularly hard, it doesn't really doing anything too complicated (from memory: it's been about a year since I've looked at it.)
11:41 kivilahtio ok
11:41 kivilahtio Ill go back into turning Elasticsearch on on our new Ubuntu16.04 LXC-containers :)
11:42 eythian    "doesn't really doing" ... I shouldn't be back from holiday ...
11:42 kivilahtio I'll see what I come up, already wriiting installer for makefile and found a bug in Makefile.PL :)
11:42 kivilahtio eythian: I need a holiday
11:43 eythian    I recommend them
11:43 kivilahtio eythian: luckily fridays is a public holiday and wife left me home for the weekend and too the kid with her
11:43 kivilahtio I wonder what to play
11:43 kivilahtio maybe 7D2D :)
11:43 kivilahtio it is super cool
11:44 eythian    I am in the worst country in Europe for public holidays :(
11:45 kivilahtio I have to wonder why in a state with free religion I am forced to have a vacation due to some religious event
11:45 kivilahtio Not all religions share the same dates
11:46 eythian    there's exactly that conversation happening where I work at the moment: should it be OK to work easter and take the holiday off when you want in the next 6 months.
11:46 * eythian  lunches
11:48 cait       public holidays have the advantage of everything being closed
11:48 cait       if you can move them as you want... someone probably has to keep shops open etc
11:48 oleonard   Hi all
11:48 cait       I'd prefer to keep the all is closed holiday and just ignore why it is one :)
11:48 kivilahtio hi oleonard
11:48 wahanui    hi olé onard
11:48 cait       hi oleonard :)
11:48 kivilahtio cait: that is a good point
11:52 cait       hm more snow
11:53 oleonard   @wunder 45701
11:53 huginn`    oleonard: The current temperature in Longview Hts, Athens, Ohio is -6.2°C (6:52 AM EST on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 9 am this morning to 3 am EST Friday...
11:53 drojf      @wunder sxf
11:53 huginn`    drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is -2.0°C (12:20 PM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
11:53 cait       @wunder Konstanz
11:53 huginn`    cait: The current temperature in MainaustraÃ&#376;e, Konstanz, Germany is 2.5°C (12:42 PM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
12:26 oleonard   I added a minor followup to Bug 16239 which needs signoff if anyone is willing to look.
12:26 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Needs Signoff , Upgrade Bootstrap in the staff client
12:27 oleonard   I think we should push those patches as soon as possible to give lots of time for bugs to shake out
12:27 cait       +1
12:51 cait       Joubu++ for noting where a bug originated from often - much easier to see what's needed and what not
13:37 oleonard   Okay... weird question if anyone is awake. I'm working on a Mac today, accidentally hit CMD+F4 while in a Virtualbox Debian guest. This killed the GUI and took me to a debian login prompt. Did I lose my work, or can I get back to the GUI and continue somehow?
13:43 oleonard   Never mind I think I got it
14:10 Joubu      @later tell rangi the certificate for bugs needs to be renewed
14:10 huginn`    Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:18 cait       Joubu: just left him a Twitter DM too
14:18 cait       :)
14:20 gmcharlt   @quote random
14:20 huginn`    gmcharlt: Quote #239: "slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:54 AM, April 03, 2013)
14:41 oleonard   "man cannot live by beer alone" [citation needed]
14:42 drojf      heh
14:43 * drojf    got snow
14:43 drojf      a lot of it
14:43 wahanui    i guess a lot of it is just making sure we get our books back
14:43 drojf      @wunder sxf
14:43 huginn`    drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is -3.0°C (3:20 PM CET on January 05, 2017). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Rising).
14:54 oleonard   Is there a good way to verify that ansible installed correctly on a Mac? I got some warnings about directory ownership when I installed.
15:07 eythian    oleonard: does it work? that seems like a good way to test :)
15:08 kivilahtio oleonard: I recommend installing the pip packages under user root
15:08 kivilahtio not as sudo pip install
15:08 kivilahtio but sudo su
15:08 kivilahtio pip install
15:17 tcohen     hi
15:17 wahanui    salut, tcohen
15:18 tcohen     marcelr: around?
15:18 marcelr    hi tcohen
15:18 tcohen     quick question
15:19 marcelr    yes
15:19 tcohen     how is the Koha::Upload-ed files
15:19 tcohen     cleanup done
15:19 marcelr    superb
15:19 marcelr    :)
15:20 marcelr    patches are simple to read
15:20 tcohen     my question is about temporary files
15:20 tcohen     the patches seem simpĺe, i'm testing them
15:20 marcelr    i have few extra bugs about temp uploads, you saw them?
15:20 tcohen     nope
15:21 marcelr    let me see
15:21 marcelr    bug 17669
15:21 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17669 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add purging temporary uploads to cleanup_database
15:21 marcelr    bug 17777
15:21 huginn`    04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17777 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , koha-remove should deal with temporary uploads
15:22 marcelr    those two
15:22 tcohen     ok
15:23 marcelr    the cleanup is pref based (number of days before purging)
15:24 marcelr    appreciate your testing; just ask if you see something strange
16:04 oleonard   Thanks kivilahtio, I took eythian's suggestion first so I didn't get to try yours
16:55 bag        morning
17:00 oleonard   Hi bag
17:01 bag        hiya oleonard
17:07 reiveune   bye
17:21 tcohen     morning
19:29 rangi      morning
19:43 tcohen     hi rangi
19:44 oleonard   tcohen I have a kohadevbox question if you have a moment
19:44 tcohen     only half a moment, but shoot
19:45 oleonard   I'm setting it up on my mac for the first time and I'm finding that it doesn't seem to be making changes the hosts file. Shouldn't it?
19:45 tcohen     it only changes /etc/exports if I recall
19:46 tcohen     if you want name-based access you need to do it yourself
19:46 tcohen     sudo vim /etc/hosts
19:47 oleonard   Okay thanks
19:47 tcohen     i have kohadev on my hosts file
19:47 tcohen     and kohadev-intra
19:47 * tcohen   is checking
19:48 tcohen     and tweaked vars/user.yml
19:48 tcohen     have to run
19:48 tcohen     bye!
22:28 rangi      @later tell joubu http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=hea.git;a=summary
22:28 huginn`    rangi: The operation succeeded.
22:35 rangi      @later tell joubu https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/enter_bug.cgi?product=Project%20Infrastructure
22:35 huginn`    rangi: The operation succeeded.