Time Nick Message 00:33 rangi karma for bobb 00:34 wahanui bobb has karma of 22 00:34 rangi bobb++ 05:49 sameeenz Evening fam. 07:13 * magnuse waves 07:19 LibraryClaire morning #koha 07:21 * cait waves 07:33 reiveune hello 07:33 jajm hello 07:33 wahanui que tal, jajm 07:34 LibraryClaire hi reiveune, hi jajm 07:34 * LibraryClaire waves to cait 07:34 cait bbiab 07:42 sophie_m hello 07:42 wahanui hello, sophie_m 07:43 alex_a bonjour 07:45 drojf morning #koha 07:46 drojf @later tell tcohen what version on what os? is there a bug for it? 07:46 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 07:58 LibraryClaire morgen drojf 08:19 sameeenz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUcT3z2lcmU 08:19 sameeenz lols. 08:35 fridolin hiethere 08:38 sameeenz hi fridolin 08:38 sameeenz what's going down? 08:53 magnuse meeting in about 4 hours, right? 08:56 josef_moravec_ magnuse: i think so ;) 08:58 magnuse yes https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_December_2016 09:04 eythian @wunder jordaan, ams 09:04 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 10.3°C (10:02 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 09:05 eythian fog sure is right 09:05 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz 09:05 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 3.9°C (10:02 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 09:07 rangi @later tell mtj theres an atomicupdate still in 16.05.x (in the 16.05.06 release) http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=d02b7cf5297b4efbc763e5e79fc8e7d8e4088918 this should be shifted to updatedatabase.pl 09:07 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 09:17 AndrewIsh morning #koha 09:21 magnuse hiya AndrewIsh 09:22 magnuse @wunder enbo 09:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 7.0°C (10:00 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 09:22 magnuse spring is here! 09:22 AndrewIsh magnuse: hi! wow, that's faaar to mild for mid-December 09:22 AndrewIsh s/to/too 09:23 magnuse so it is 09:23 AndrewIsh @wunder machynlleth 09:23 huginn AndrewIsh: The current temperature in Machynlleth, Machynlleth, United Kingdom is 8.0°C (9:23 AM GMT on December 14, 2016). Conditions: . Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). 09:24 AndrewIsh hmmm, too mild here too! 09:24 josef_moravec_ @wunder Prague 09:24 huginn josef_moravec_: Error: No such location could be found. 09:24 AndrewIsh oh no, who stole prague?! 09:24 magnuse we had perfect winter weather this last weekend. -5, bit of snow. now it's kust grey and wet 09:24 josef_moravec_ @wunder Prague, Czech Republic 09:24 huginn josef_moravec_: The current temperature in Praha / Ruzyne, Czech Republic is 3.0°C (10:00 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 09:25 josef_moravec_ AndrewIsh: probably too much Pragues ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_(disambiguation) 09:26 josef_moravec_ @wunder Usti nad Orlici 09:26 huginn josef_moravec_: The current temperature in Dlouha Trebova, Dlouhá TÃ…™ebová, Czech Republic is -0.5°C (10:25 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 09:26 AndrewIsh oooh, that sounds lovely magnuse, we've only had a few days of properly cold weather so far this year, i'm holding out hope though. our last few winters have been mild and damp, no snow at all last year, apart from on the mountains, not fun :( 09:27 d_antonakis @wunder Athens, Greece 09:27 huginn d_antonakis: The current temperature in SV1JST, Glyfada, Greece is 9.1°C (11:27 AM EET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling). 09:33 mtj rangi, oops, thanks for that, i'll fix now 10:34 gveranis_ hi paul 10:34 gveranis_ hi paul_p 10:35 paul_p hi gveranis_ ! 10:36 gveranis_ Do you have today developer meeting ? 10:38 Joubu gveranis_: yes, 13 utc 10:52 * mtj waves to Joubu, gveranis_, paul_p :0) 10:55 mtj drojf, have you thought about creating 16.11 and 16.05 release pockets? 10:55 drojf mtj: yes, i have 10:56 mtj cool, i thought you might have :p 10:56 drojf mtj: i will clean the repos from old dependencies we don't need anymore and want to have a way to stay on a certain version too while i do that 10:57 mtj yes, exactly ^ 10:59 mtj thanks for reminding me about bug 15200 too 10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15200 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , t/Creators.t fails when using build-git-snapshot 11:01 drojf i will add you to package related bugs when i find them 11:01 drojf it has been a bit chaotic last term and i had to do a bit of post production for many releases, i'd like to change that this term 11:05 cait drojf: will you let me know if you need something in 16.11 for packages? 11:05 cait gveranis_: in 2 hours i think 11:05 drojf cait: yes. i added you to the control file bug already 11:06 mtj drojf: could we rename bz17111 to s/oldstable/16.05/' perhaps? 11:06 cait yeah not sure i get it :) but hope you will wave and scream if i forget something 11:07 gveranis_ cait: yes I converted , thanks 11:08 drojf mtj: i don't see why not 11:10 mtj ok done :) Bug 17111 - Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable/16.05.x) 11:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17111 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable/16.05.x) 11:12 drojf mtj: i think what was on there now went in via another bug at some point. i have to fix the nightlies so i can make them do automatic patches again 11:18 drojf later #koha 11:35 taz i am trying to migrate to newer version of koha and have backup which i dont know from which version backup is after upgrade to 3.20 when i carry out search and click on a particular record it throws error as "DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.constrainttype' in 'field list' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reserves.pm" how to sort out this error 11:37 Joubu taz: Are you using the latest, 3.20.15? 11:37 taz no 11:37 taz 3.20 11:38 taz 3.20.2 11:39 Joubu taz: you must use the latest of the 3.20.x. Keep in mind that this branch is no longer maintain and it would be better to upgrade to 16.05 or 16.11 11:39 taz k 11:40 taz tx 12:04 marcelr hi #koha 12:07 eythian hi marcelr 12:08 marcelr eythian: 12:08 rsantellan good morning #koha 12:08 marcelr hi rsantellan 12:09 rsantellan hi marcelr 12:34 tcohen morning 12:48 LibraryClaire hey tcohen 12:50 oleonard Hi all 12:51 LibraryClaire hi oleonard 12:51 wahanui hi oleopard 12:51 LibraryClaire wahanui: botsnack 12:51 wahanui :) 12:52 kidclamp morning #koha 12:52 * LibraryClaire tries to train the bot 12:53 LibraryClaire hey kidclamp 12:53 wahanui kidclamp is, like, rockin the stache 12:53 cait LibraryClaire:++ :) 12:53 tcohen hi kidclamp! 12:53 kidclamp hiya tcohen 12:54 kidclamp and LibraryClaire and cait and oleopard, et al. 12:56 khall mornin all! 12:56 tcohen hey khall 12:58 LibraryClaire hi khall 12:58 khall hi LibraryClaire! 13:00 cait kidclamp: are you chaiing the meeting? 13:00 kidclamp I yam 13:00 cait cool 13:00 kidclamp lets do it then :-) 13:00 khall lol 13:01 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016 13:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 14 13:01:09 2016 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016' 13:01 kidclamp #topic Introductions 13:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 13:01 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 13:01 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands 13:01 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 13:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 13:01 josef_moravec_ #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic 13:01 cc_ #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd 13:01 LibraryClaire #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany 13:01 d_antonakis #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens, Greece 13:02 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 13:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 13:03 kidclamp last call 13:03 petter #info Petter Ã…sen, Oslo Public Library, Norway 13:03 AndrewIsh #info Andrew Isherwood, PTFS Europe Ltd 13:03 kidclamp #topic Announcements 13:04 gveranis_ #info George Veranis Thessaloniki, Greece 13:04 kidclamp Mr. RM? anything form you 13:04 khall I'm starting to push enhancements to master again 13:04 khall that is all ; ) 13:04 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke 13:04 kidclamp light meeting so anyone feel free to add their thoughts :-) 13:05 khall this is a judgement free zone ; ) 13:05 tcohen i wanted to ask 13:05 tcohen what is the status of the Koha::Patron implementation? we are waiting for it to complete the REST endpoint 13:05 tcohen is it something that will be pushed with some priority? 13:06 Joubu things are waiting for QA and push 13:06 Joubu I plan to continue the rewrite, but I need stuffs to move forward, otherwise it's to painful to maintain up-to-date 13:06 tcohen there's one bug that it is not easy to test, the GetBorrowersWithEmail one 13:06 Joubu https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=16846 13:06 kidclamp bug numbers? 13:06 tcohen it is trivial that it works 13:07 marcelr :) 13:07 Joubu so "green" are not really green as they need to be rebased (status=blocked) 13:07 tcohen but the test plan includes PKI authentication and something else 13:07 Joubu bug 17554 13:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17554 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move GetBorrowersWithEmail to Koha::Patron 13:08 kidclamp #info Koha Patron bugs should be helped along 13:08 Joubu tcohen: I can resubmit a test plan without that part if you like :D 13:08 kidclamp #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=16846 Dependencies and progress 13:08 drojf why does it say persona needs to be tested, isn't that dead? 13:08 kidclamp #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17554 Bug 17554 13:08 khall I had thought the same thing 13:08 huginn 04Bug 17554: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move GetBorrowersWithEmail to Koha::Patron 13:08 oleonard it shouldn't be broken before we officially remove it though should it? 13:09 khall It will be shut down in December 2016 13:09 josef_moravec_ bug 17486 13:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17486 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove 'Mozilla Persona' as an authentication method 13:09 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY, USA 13:09 drojf "Mozilla announced in January 2016 plans to decommission the service by the end of the year." 13:09 drojf i don't think we can keep it working when mozilla kills it 13:10 oleonard I just mean we should work to remove it before Mozilla kills it dead, rather than just let it break by Mozilla's hand or ours. 13:10 Joubu I can take it (the drop) and rebase the other one on top 13:10 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 13:11 kidclamp #action Joubu will remove Mozilla Persona and rebase his work on top 13:12 kidclamp moving on if no more here 13:12 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines 13:13 kidclamp nothing in the agenda but floor is open for anyone 13:13 Joubu ok, so, I need help on QA 13:14 marcelr this is about coding guidlines? 13:14 barton I'd like to talk a bit about documentation... 13:14 Joubu as usual, but the queue is growing too fast, I cannot maintain it alone (and don't want to) 13:14 barton developer documentation, that is... 13:14 kidclamp if noc doing guidelines we can jump to general discussion for both of these 13:14 kidclamp no coding 13:15 kidclamp cait still here? 13:15 khall sounds good. let's start with the qa queue and then go to developer documentation 13:15 gveranis_ yes developer documentation could be useful 13:15 khall 63 bugs in signed off queue atm 13:15 kidclamp okay jumping 16.11 to gen disc. 13:15 LibraryClaire cait is currentlly AFK 13:15 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 13:15 kidclamp #info The QA queue is growing and Joubu needs help 13:16 marcelr did you mean that , Joubu? 13:16 kidclamp in maintaining the queue 13:16 Joubu yes that's enough, nothing more to do about that 13:16 AndrewIsh pinging ashimema 13:16 Joubu I pingued the QAers last week, but no answers 13:16 tcohen I try to QA some stuff, but have a growing backlog on my side too 13:17 khall Joubu: do you now have push rights to the master branch? 13:17 Joubu yes I think so 13:17 kidclamp same boat here, working on what I can, if directed to any specific bug I am happy to make time but general QA sometimes gets missed 13:18 khall I will try to pitch in on qa. I would appreciate it if you could push anything I pass, just as a sanity check 13:18 Joubu khall: yep! 13:18 khall excellent, thanks! 13:19 kidclamp I plan on testing bug 17196 in the next few days 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17196 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move marcxml out of the biblioitems table 13:20 Joubu 2 QAs would not be superfluous 13:20 kidclamp agreed :-) 13:20 tcohen I will QA it too 13:21 kidclamp #action kidclamp and tcohen will be looking at bug 17196 13:21 kidclamp I think the floor is yours barton 13:21 tcohen after barton, I'd like to highlight something 13:22 barton kk. 13:22 kidclamp and I added something to the agenda after that :-) 13:23 barton I'd like to suggest that we make lack of developer documentation, e.g. POD, something that is an automatic failure in QA. 13:23 marcelr we normally should do that already? 13:23 barton I hate to put more work on the QA team, but I also hate not having documentation for everything. 13:24 kidclamp this came up in the last meeting on November 9th 13:24 Joubu it's already what we do I think 13:24 kidclamp is there a coding guideline? 13:24 Joubu but when the code is self-explanatory, it's not necessary useful to add pod 13:25 Joubu sub get_holds # well, it returns holds you know 13:25 Joubu barton: do you have something specific in mind? 13:25 marcelr perl13 13:25 tcohen it should be documented that it returns an array of Koha::Hold objects, though 13:25 tcohen :-P 13:25 marcelr existing rule 13:25 cc_ we should stress if an interface changes the change should update existing pod doc 13:26 eythian https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ keep in mind it goes here too, so the code may not be immediately visible. 13:26 barton Joubu: I found that a lot of the Koha::Objects don't have any... 13:26 kidclamp #info POD coverage should be checked during QA per coding guideline PERL13 13:28 kidclamp #link https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ In perldoc even simple code could benefit form POD 13:28 kidclamp it was proposed to add POD coverage to the QA script, but I don't know fi there was consensus 13:29 tcohen i think a minimal POD should be required on QA 13:29 barton Ok, so here's part of my quandry ... 13:29 tcohen at least the type of the stuff that is returned 13:29 marcelr harder is writing that for an interface change as mentioned by cc_ 13:29 Joubu so we need to decide what we want in our POD... 13:30 barton I think that there are a lot of times when the grandfather clause is used when something isn't documented... 13:30 Joubu I don't think PERL13 is applied appart from SearchSuggestion 13:30 tcohen I'd say the type for params and return values is the minimum we should require 13:30 barton a small change is made to a module that doesn't have much documentation... 13:31 barton ^^ I'm with tcohen there. 13:32 tcohen can we decide or should we schedule this for another meeting? 13:32 marcelr decide: just add this to perl13 13:32 barton tcohen: I'm fine with tabeling the discussion; I'll try and come up with some better examples. 13:33 khall I'd be interested to know what Perl Best Practices has to say on it, if anything 13:33 Joubu I think we need a volunteer to write the POD for existing methods 13:33 marcelr and be pragmatical 13:33 khall I know there is a full chapter on documentation 13:33 Joubu to have good examples of what we are expecting 13:33 barton Ok, I'll volounteer for writing POD. 13:33 khall yes, we need a template 13:33 oleonard So we wait and vote on a specific proposal? 13:34 * tcohen revisits his latest patches and finds incomplete PODs 13:34 Joubu barton: please don't be too verbose :) 13:34 kidclamp #action Barton volunteers to write POD for existing docs, brief POD 13:34 kidclamp anyone volunteer to work up the guidleline for POD going forward? 13:34 kidclamp and maybe send to the mailing list to vote next meeting? 13:35 barton Joubu: I don't have enough time to write a *lot* of POD ;-) 13:35 Joubu I think methods from Koha namespace should be quite easy to document as they are short and do not do lot of things 13:35 tcohen true 13:35 tcohen and are covered by functional tests 13:35 khall indeed 13:35 barton There are some things that could really use it though ... holds queue, search.pm... 13:36 tcohen forget about Search.pm please 13:36 marcelr rewrite it 13:36 kidclamp heh 13:36 tcohen yeah 13:36 cc_ we should adopt a recommended location for POD whether inline or after __END__ 13:36 barton heh. 13:36 marcelr inline 13:36 khall cc_: it's all inline 13:36 tcohen inline 13:36 Joubu after :p 13:36 marcelr no Joubu 13:36 tcohen Joubu-- 13:36 khall after is what PBP reccomends 13:36 Joubu I do not care about the doc when I can see the code 13:36 khall inline is all we do ; ) 13:37 marcelr inline++ 13:37 Joubu PBP++ :) 13:37 khall Joubu: I bet you can find a plugin for $editor that will collapse the pod ; ) 13:37 eythian Joubu: if it's not inline, no one sees it and never updates it. 13:37 khall agreed 13:38 kidclamp alright folks...I will volunteer to send something to the mailing list to add to the coding guidelines and compile issues, so fight it out there 13:38 kidclamp #action kidclamp will send a call out to the list for POD guidelines and draft for a vote next meeting 13:39 tcohen is it my turn? 13:39 kidclamp your issue tcohen? 13:39 kidclamp yes 13:39 tcohen he 13:39 tcohen as this is a dev meeting 13:39 tcohen I'd like to share that I started to work on resurrecting bug 13757 13:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make patron attributes editable in the opac if set to 'editable in OPAC' 13:40 tcohen the UI part was done on the bug, and so the CRUD for the opac_editable attribute for extended attributes 13:40 tcohen but work on borrower_modifications is missing (i.e. handling modification requests for extended attributes) 13:40 tcohen all this to say 13:40 tcohen that I got more into writing code using Koha::Object 13:41 tcohen trying to do a Koha::Object-ify as I touch stuff 13:41 tcohen aprroach 13:41 tcohen my first try on Koha::Object was bug 17755 13:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17755 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Introduce Koha::Patron::Attribute::Type(s) 13:41 tcohen a simple one 13:42 tcohen that had something in common with Koha::Patron::Category 13:42 tcohen it is constrained by library (formerly branch) 13:42 kidclamp #info tcohen is working on moving code to use Koha::Object 13:42 tcohen so i came up with Koha::Object::Limit::Library 13:43 tcohen which in conjunction with multiple inheritance, makes it easy to extend a Koha::Object to provide suche a constraint 13:43 tcohen I'd like other QAers opinions 13:43 tcohen on that specifically 13:43 marcelr should have a closer look first 13:43 tcohen yes 13:43 khall I like it! 13:43 Joubu Sounds ok to me 13:43 tcohen I don't expect you to do it now, just thought worth mentioning 13:44 tcohen and encourage you devs to give Koha::Object a try 13:44 tcohen because I was skeptical about it when I pushed it 13:44 marcelr uploads is in Koha;:Object too in the NSO queue 13:44 kidclamp #info QA and interested parties should look at Koha::Object::Limit::Library on bug 17755 13:44 tcohen and now find it really handy and looking at Jonathan's work on moving stuff into using it 13:44 marcelr bug 17501 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17501 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Koha Objects for uploaded files 13:45 kidclamp #info see work on using Koha::Object for uploads on bug 17501 13:45 tcohen the code looks simple to read, fast to develop 13:45 oleonard Joubu++ 13:45 tcohen it really improved my dev workflow 13:45 oleonard tcohen++ 13:46 tcohen ok, that's it. I wanted to share that I like it :-D 13:46 Joubu yes it's very useful for now. Some stuffs are a bit "too much". We have too many objects. And some object's responsabilities are not correctly defined 13:46 marcelr tcohen++ 13:46 tcohen and encourage people to look at the ideas behind 17755 13:46 Joubu but we will be able to clean that a bit when we will have more code moved to the Koha ns 13:46 tcohen Joubu: I agree 13:46 marcelr some refactoring might create weird new methods in the Koha objects 13:47 Joubu marcelr: yes, that's why I start with easy ones 13:47 tcohen marcelr: Koha::Object::Limit::Library was a try to avoid that 13:48 kidclamp okay, I have a thing :-) 13:48 kidclamp I would like to propose turning on voting in Bugzilla 13:48 kidclamp https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/4.0/en/html/voting.html 13:48 tcohen +1 13:49 marcelr voting on what aspects? 13:49 kidclamp interest/importance generally 13:49 kidclamp I have been doing a number of talks with users who want to get involved 13:49 kidclamp they want an easy way to mark a bug as important to them, even if they can't comment on code or implementation 13:50 marcelr add to cc? 13:50 kidclamp the idea being that users can see what matters to other users and gain support for fundings 13:50 kidclamp and devs can see where work might benefit users 13:50 marcelr but i do not oppose 13:50 kidclamp adding to cc doesn't give us a count we can sort by 13:50 marcelr the number in the cc list? 13:50 kidclamp and honestly, they don't all want emails 13:50 kidclamp I don't think we can search/report that marcelr 13:51 kidclamp the worst consequence I see would be a feature we ignore 13:51 * Joubu is gonna create several bz accounts to vote for his own bugs 13:51 kidclamp heh 13:51 kidclamp Joubu had an extra bowl of sass today 13:52 kidclamp #info kidclamp proposes to add voting to Bigzilla 13:52 kidclamp #link https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/4.0/en/html/voting.html Bugzilla voting 13:52 barton s/Bigzilla/Bugzilla/ 13:53 Joubu I don't think will get more involvement with that, but we can try 13:53 kidclamp if there is opposition I will talk to whoever maintains bugzilla 13:53 drojf will that lead to people complaining that stuff they voted on is not magically happening? 13:53 tcohen +1 # it won't hurt anyway, should be announced so people use it 13:53 kidclamp if they complain and comment at least they are involved drojf :-) 13:53 khall drojf: I think the idea is to bring awareness to things everyone wants but think only they want 13:53 khall and by knowing each other, they can group sponsor work 13:54 marcelr +1 # just try 13:54 barton +1 13:54 drojf in a magical world where they have money to sponsor :) 13:54 drojf +1 # sure why not 13:54 kidclamp hooray! thanks guys 13:55 marcelr is it on now? kidclamp ? 13:55 marcelr lol 13:55 kidclamp hah, I think I have to ping rangi, I think catalyst maintains bz 13:55 khall drojf: power in numbers, just had a development sponsored by 30 something libraries pitching in very small amounts 13:55 khall +1 from me as well 13:56 marcelr kidclamp: yes, better do it via rangi 13:56 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team 13:56 drojf khall: nice! 13:56 kidclamp anything more to add? I think we covered it in discussion 13:56 Joubu yes just 13:57 Joubu not QA related 13:57 kidclamp :-) 13:57 Joubu but ldap seems broken under plack 13:57 kidclamp possibly shib/SAML too 13:57 Joubu on the general Koha ML 13:57 Joubu I quickly looked at the code C4/Auth_with_ldap 13:57 Joubu and it has wrong var scope 13:58 Joubu someone knowing this part of code should get a look 13:58 ashimema I can varify shib is broken under plack 13:58 Joubu it may be easy to fix 13:58 ashimema and I have a plan to fix it.. when I get a moment 13:58 ashimema ldap I wasn't aware of being broken. 13:58 * kidclamp hands ashimema all of his round tuits 13:58 cait edi libary ean is broken too 13:59 cait you can't add any 13:59 khall ashimema++ 13:59 ashimema shib is a case of switching from env variables to request headers 13:59 cait qa is no longer my topic, but from rmaint's point of vie 13:59 cait w 13:59 kidclamp we have ldap working under plack in 3.22 in at least one instance 13:59 khall cait: is there a bug number for that? I'd be happy to fix it 13:59 cait yes of course 13:59 cait there are lots of open bug reports waiting for patches - please also take a look at those. I am going to call string freeze tomorrow and then release on 22nd 13:59 cait it would be really good if dev coudl take a look at the blocker - major ones recently filed 14:00 cait bug 17692 14:00 kidclamp #info LDAP and shib may not be entirely plack safe 14:00 cait bug 17764 is evil too 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17764 critical, P2, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user 14:00 kidclamp #topic Progress on next release (16.11) 14:00 cait OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user 14:00 kidclamp #info there are lots of open bug reports waiting for patches - please also take a look at those 14:00 kidclamp #info string freeze on the 22nd 14:01 Joubu 17764 is for me 14:01 cait it would be great if we could still get those into 16.11.1 14:01 * oleonard runs off to an irl meeting 14:01 kidclamp #info bug 17692 and bug 17764 are high priority for 16.11.1 14:01 * ashimema apologises for having missed most of this meeting.. feeling rough so went back to bed and slept through the alarm 14:01 kidclamp oleonard++ 14:01 cait ther are more, those i remembered off the top of my head 14:02 marcelr any relation with bug 17502 14:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17502 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Resolve internal server error on 0000-00-00 (with Plack) 14:02 marcelr also a failing search 14:02 Joubu cait: could you send me the list, if you have one? 14:02 kidclamp anything more cait? 14:03 cait i can try and create one - maybe by tomorrow? 14:03 cait there is also a fixme now search on bugzilla 14:03 cait that cvould be helpful 14:03 kidclamp #action cait will compile a list of bugs wanted/needed for 16.11.1 14:03 cait hm where could we put those so it's not just me? 14:04 kidclamp send to koha/koha-devel 14:04 cait also some problems with mulitple holds and sip i think 14:04 cait there is always lots of bugs - so please don't hit me if i miss an important one 14:05 kidclamp #info don't hit cait 14:05 cait i will check what i held back i my inbox - but can't go look through all of bugzilla 14:05 Joubu bug 17775 14:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17775 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add new user with LDAP not works under Plack 14:05 cait yeah, some evil plack things around 14:05 marcelr cait: 17502 14:05 kidclamp #topic Set time of next meeting 14:06 kidclamp I am proposing something around 20UTC according to survey until someone has a better method/time 14:07 barton +1 14:07 kidclamp January 11, 20UTC? 14:07 tcohen we should have 2 dev meetings a month 14:07 Joubu Wed 14:07 tcohen brief ones 14:08 marcelr this was a good time btw 14:08 barton agreed. 14:08 kidclamp agreed, this time was nice 14:08 kidclamp tcohen - I am all for it if somone else will chair the second meeting 14:08 * tcohen volunteers 14:09 kidclamp but keeping meeting short is harder than I thought :-) 14:09 tcohen I'll ask for help if i cannot attend 14:09 tcohen true 14:09 marcelr kidclamp++ 14:09 kidclamp #action tcohen proposes to hold a second dev meeting - he will chair 14:09 kidclamp do you want to set a time now tcohen, 2 weeks or so? or wait until January to being? 14:10 kidclamp begin 14:10 tcohen wait until january, because end of the year is complicated for everyone 14:10 kidclamp sounds good 14:10 kidclamp #info next meeting 11 January 2016, 20 UTC 14:11 kidclamp #endmeeting 14:11 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 14 14:11:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 14:11 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016.2016-12-14-13.01.html 14:11 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016.2016-12-14-13.01.txt 14:11 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016.2016-12-14-13.01.log.html 14:11 kidclamp Thanks all! 14:11 LibraryClaire kidclamp++ 14:11 tcohen kidclamp++ 14:11 Joubu thanks kidclamp 14:11 khall later all! 14:11 gveranis_ bye all 14:14 Joubu What was the plack + shib + ldap bug? 14:14 Joubu Was there one? 14:15 tcohen 177 14:15 tcohen 17775 14:15 cait marcelr. I will check the logs for bug numbers 14:16 Joubu no another one 14:19 ashimema there isn't a shib bug yet Joubu.. I only verified or myself that it was broken today ;) 14:21 ashimema there is now 17776 14:22 ashimema I fixed the exact same issue in other apps.. it's just a case of getting me head back around how the koha implimentation works ;) 14:22 tcohen ashimema: do u plan to write a Plack::Middleware? or just put an if plack and handle the headers in the code? 14:22 tcohen :D 14:28 oleonard Anyone sign me up for anything while I was gone? 14:28 marcelr only rewrite Search.pm, oleonard 14:29 tcohen oleonard: yes, go learn React and re-implement the OPAC with it. We'll implement the needed RESTful endpoints as you require them 14:29 oleonard tcohen: Oh is that all? 14:30 * oleonard has a couple of hours before lunch 14:30 josef_moravec_ oleonard: bug 16239 ;) 14:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Needs Signoff , Upgrade Bootstrap in the staff client 14:30 josef_moravec_ oleonard: sorry to be so annoying with this... 14:30 oleonard I know josef_moravec_! You should continue to bug me because I need reminding. 14:31 * oleonard has been distracted while learning about Vagrant 14:31 oleonard Still fighting to get kohadevbox running on Windows :( 14:33 LibraryClaire oleonard: still no joy? 14:33 ashimema tcohen, I'm not sure yet 14:33 tcohen oleonard: did you manage to get the kohaclone dir contain the community repo? 14:34 ashimema tcohen, in the past when I've fixed it for other apps they'd made the decision to go fully persistent and stop supporting a non-persistent mode 14:35 ashimema so there was no need to maintain any environment based compatability.. so I just did it directly 14:35 * tcohen thinks we should just drop non-persistent support 14:35 oleonard You know what tcohen, looking at the error message again I may have messed something up in my configuration. Let me try something and report back. 14:35 ashimema the shibboleth folk claim that using headers is in theory a security concern and you should always prefer env's 14:35 ashimema but I can't see that many apps can actually do it that way anymore ;) 14:36 tcohen oleonard: it seems that you have SYNC_REPO set (otherwise it would have cloned the repo inside the box) and it is failing to mount it 14:37 ashimema tcohen++ #suggesting we ditch non-plack altogether 14:38 tcohen ashimema: there's a bunch of support companies involved in the community, I'm sure we have the work force to fix anything that would prevent it 14:38 tcohen it is just a matter of will 14:38 ashimema haha, indeed 14:39 tcohen i mean, c'mon, fixing a variable scoping issue? the most difficult part is finding the bug, and it will certaintly happen the more people use Plack 14:43 ashimema suggest it at the next community meeting and I'll back you ;) 14:43 tcohen ok 14:44 ashimema we're only just starting to go the plack route.. it would be good to have a kick to make sure we do ;) 14:44 ashimema 'we = ptfs europe' in the above 14:44 tcohen sounds good 15:12 oleonard I wonder if libraries who hesitate to share Koha usage statistics in Hea would prefer to share only that they are a Koha user? So give the option to share library name and URL but not stats. 15:17 LibraryClaire oleonard: I feel like that might be a nice option to have... 15:18 oleonard Does ByWater check to make sure that every one of its customers is registered on Breeding's site? If so, ask then to enable Hea too. 15:18 oleonard Repeat for every Koha support company. 15:18 tcohen we do 15:28 oleonard tcohen: I made a correction to my sync_repo path and the installation succeeded (with 2 or 3 rounds of 'vagrant provision' to get it there) 15:28 tcohen YAY! 15:57 tcohen decode_json 16:04 eythian no, you decode_json 16:11 drojf if one of you encodes and the other decodes, you can be the human jsonipede 16:11 tcohen hehe 16:11 tcohen I have issues with my desktop setup 16:12 tcohen i use 6 workspaces 16:12 tcohen and when I switch back a forth from one to the other 16:12 tcohen the IRC client seems to get the focus 16:13 tcohen it might be related to my 'sticky in all workspaces' setup 16:13 tcohen (so I can always read the IRC while working 16:13 tcohen he 16:13 tcohen its a bug in Unity, I'll file a bug 16:14 oleonard 'sticky in all workspaces' describes my home computer after my kids use it. 16:15 tcohen sec 16:15 tcohen https://snag.gy/Yz59Ry.jpg 16:16 tcohen so I have firefox in another workspace 16:16 tcohen and when I switch, it still shows the IRC client 16:16 tcohen when i go back, IRC wrongly gets the focus 16:29 reiveune bye 16:43 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Error when using git-bz in kohadevbox" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/194 16:45 eythian oleonard: have you defined the global name "host"? 16:46 oleonard eythian: I have followed the kohadevbox instructions and my expectation was that I didn't need to manually define anything 16:46 eythian I can't remember the details, but somewhere you have to provide a hostname. 16:47 oleonard I don't see anything about that here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Configure_git-bz 16:51 kidclamp @later tell magnue coverflow 2.4 released - let me know if I broke anything :-) 16:51 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded. 16:52 eythian not sure, it's been too long since I've had to set it up. 17:00 Joubu oleonard: I think I get it when https is not set to true 17:23 LibraryClaire anyone able to help me with an error message I get when trying to do a git pull in devbox? I have a special skill for breaking things these days 17:25 Joubu LibraryClaire: can try 17:26 LibraryClaire i'm sure it's easy... two secs i'll paste 17:26 pastebot "LibraryClaire" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error: Unable to find 2618afd8" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/195 17:27 Joubu on fetching I guess? 17:27 LibraryClaire yes 17:28 Joubu git remote -v 17:29 LibraryClaire tells me an origin for push and fetch 17:29 Joubu over git or http? 17:29 LibraryClaire origin http://git.koha-community.org/koha.git 17:30 Joubu ok, try 17:30 Joubu git remote set-url origin git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git 17:30 Joubu then fetch 17:30 LibraryClaire oh it's doing things now :D 17:32 LibraryClaire Thanks Joubu :)) 17:36 kidclamp ashimema++ 17:36 kidclamp Joubu++ 17:44 rsantellan I have a question about the email templates creation. The overdue_notice.pl call C4::Overdues::parse_overdues_letter, I see that I have all the data there, with all the data it calls: C4::Letters::GetPreparedLetter 17:45 rsantellan my problem is in that function don't replace any data at all 17:45 rsantellan I create a test template with all the parameters 17:45 rsantellan and only a few of them are completed 17:50 Rules Hello everyone 17:50 Rules I have a question 17:51 Rules It's simple but I don't know how to do it 17:51 Rules I have several item types 17:52 Rules Books, journals, magazines, dvd's and others 17:53 Rules i want to create diferent rules to everyone 17:53 Rules for example 17:53 Rules books for 15 days 17:53 Rules and dvd for 5 days 17:53 Rules but I can't do it 17:53 Rules or is not working 17:54 edveal Rules so are you setting them up in the Circulation and fines rules? 17:54 Rules yup 17:55 Rules i set 15 days to books 17:55 Rules and 5 days to DVD 17:55 edveal Can you explain what is not working? 17:55 edveal Are they checkiong out for the wrong time or not checking out at all? 17:55 Rules but books are loan just for 5 days 17:55 Rules like using dvd rules 17:56 Rules cheking out for the wrong time 17:56 edveal Do you have multiple libraries? 17:56 Rules Nope 17:56 Rules just 1 17:57 edveal Do you have multiple patron catagories or have you set that for “Allâ€? 17:58 Rules multiple 17:58 edveal Do they have different rules for each patron catagory? 17:59 Rules yes 17:59 edveal Are any of them checking out correctly or are they all doing the same thing incorrectly? 18:00 Rules DVD are checking out for 5 days... like they suppose to 18:01 Rules but books are checking out for 5 days too.... not 15 days like I would like 18:01 edveal But everything else is checking out incorectly? 18:02 Rules other types aren't configured 18:02 edveal So you only have those two? sorry for all the questions. 18:03 Rules yes... but i believe that it would be the same problems for other items 18:03 Rules no worries 18:03 Rules keep asking 18:03 edveal What version of Koha are you using? 18:03 Rules is the only way you can help me 18:04 Rules 3.22.04.000 18:26 LibraryClaire tcohen around? 18:32 tcohen hi LibraryClaire 18:32 LibraryClaire hi, i think i broke something in my devbox 19:10 oleonard Okay figured out my git-bz problem. With sync_repo on git-bz was looking at the git config file on my host machine, which doesn't have git-bz because does it even work on Windows? 19:10 oleonard Manually adding config details solved the problem. 19:12 oleonard So it makes me wonder, should there be a global configuration setting for git-bz out of the box? 19:14 rangi i guess for all the bits that can be global (except the username and password i guess?) 19:15 oleonard In kohadevbox would putting everything in global collide with other stuff? I guess I don't know what else people might use kohadevbox for 19:16 oleonard Also hi rangi 19:17 rangi heya oleonard 19:17 wahanui oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! 19:19 oleonard By the way, thanks for your contribution of the Mozilla Persona functionality rangi. Too bad it didn't take off. 19:20 * oleonard signed off on the patch which removes it 19:21 rangi yeah, tis a shame, i still reckon federated IDP is much better than one single one ... but oh well, we get the internet we deserve ;) 19:25 * oleonard is a little annoyed at the rate at which Mozilla starts and then kills projects 19:26 rangi yup 19:27 drojf yes 19:27 * drojf throws a few firefox os phones on the #koha fire 19:27 rangi you know what killed firefox os 19:28 rangi europeans and their love of whatsapp 19:28 drojf heh 19:28 drojf wasn't that actually available? never used it 19:28 rangi srsly, i was talking to francois who worked on them, they got so many returned as 'faulty' because whatsapp wouldn't work on them (and whatsapp had zero intention of porting) 19:29 rangi its probably the same reason ubuntu phones will fail 19:29 LibraryClaire my new tv has firefox os 19:29 drojf :( 19:29 drojf throw it on the fire 19:29 LibraryClaire but so shiny :( 19:29 drojf i said fire 19:29 rangi heh 19:29 drojf :P 19:29 oleonard I didn't know TVs had Firefox OS. 19:30 rangi gotta be better than whatever madness my panasonic tv is running 19:30 drojf panasonic has some. i read they might… "work" on it 19:30 drojf but i hear they suck at that 19:30 drojf sounds like rangi can confirm 19:30 drojf :P 19:31 oleonard I'm a little afraid of new TVs these days. What are they doing behind my back? 19:31 rangi yay for tvs that randomly crash 19:31 rangi such a good advance 19:31 drojf i want the internet out of the tv 19:31 drojf thats what raspis are for :P 19:31 LibraryClaire mine is panasonic 19:32 rangi i have an old one, its running panasonics own creation (probably windows me hacked at) 19:32 LibraryClaire it has not crashed and runs netflix really well :D 19:34 drojf ok i give up trying to figure out why the nightly thing puts the whole git directory in the tar file. which is why all is broken, because thats huge 19:34 * drojf throws the nightly server on the fire 19:35 * LibraryClaire tries to put out hte fire before everything ends up in it 19:35 rangi hehe 19:37 * cait waves 19:38 * cait has pancakes :) 19:38 rangi don't let drojf see them, he'll throw them on the fire 19:39 * LibraryClaire takes pancakes to save them from fire 19:39 oleonard Yes, to 'save them from the fire' ... 19:40 cait hehe 19:40 LibraryClaire sorry what? *wipes crumbs from mouth* 19:40 * cait shares with rangi and LibraryClaire 19:40 LibraryClaire yay :D 19:40 cait oh and oleonard 19:41 cait drojf: you know why you don't get any 19:42 cait anyone want me to help with the evil bug list? 19:42 LibraryClaire i have spent two hours trying to make some form of koha work so i can test stuff 19:42 * oleonard didn't know there was a separate list for evil ones 19:42 LibraryClaire *cries in the corner* 19:42 cait i made the mistake to speak up at th emeeting 19:42 cait and now Joubu wants a list 19:43 oleonard LibraryClaire: I just got my kohadevbox working, so I'm a super-expert now. 19:43 cait i think building a bugzilla search might work and checking severity 19:43 LibraryClaire oleonard i just broke mine 19:44 LibraryClaire building from scratch now 19:45 cait bug 7736 19:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736 new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality 19:45 oleonard Oh the evil bug list came up while I was away. 19:45 cait i was only there for like 5 mins... was enough to end up with a todo 19:45 cait bug 17692 19:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17692 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Can't add library EAN under Plack 19:46 cait how do we treat plack bugs? 19:46 oleonard So the question is about NEW bugs? Or existing patches we want to move along? 19:46 cait i was mostly talking about bugs without patches 19:46 cait we have some regressions 19:47 cait ah cool, bug 17764 has a patch now :) 19:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17764 critical, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user 19:47 cait Joubu++ oleonard++ 19:47 LibraryClaire see 19:47 LibraryClaire that was what i was gonna test 19:48 LibraryClaire stupid broken .... *mutters* 19:48 cait bug 17766 19:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17766 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Patron notification does not work with multi item holds 19:48 cait has a patch waiting 19:50 cait bug 17774 19:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17774 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Acquisitions module getting internal server error when adding orders to basket - a case of barcode not autoincrementing (?) 19:53 * LibraryClaire throws laptop on the fire 19:54 drojf good girl 19:54 LibraryClaire I cannot test under these conditions! 19:55 LibraryClaire (broke all her kohas) 19:55 oleonard I'm sorry you're having trouble LibraryClaire, but kohadevbox++ from me so far. 19:55 LibraryClaire yeh it was great while it worked 19:56 LibraryClaire but we couldn't figure out what on earth i did 19:56 LibraryClaire so we did vagrant destroy 19:56 LibraryClaire just waiting for it to reinstall 19:56 LibraryClaire i think the magic pixies got at it while i was sleeping 19:58 LibraryClaire i suspect it has nothing to do with the devbox itself and is more pebcak :D 19:58 cait hm, what about the fumes? 19:58 LibraryClaire yay install finished 19:59 LibraryClaire *pokes devbox* 19:59 cait burning laptop 19:59 LibraryClaire drojf's fire 19:59 oleonard Bye all. See you tomorrow. 20:00 cait ah good then 20:00 LibraryClaire anyone know what the web installer login is for devbox? 20:00 cait koha_kohadev 20:00 cait password 20:00 wahanui i heard password was correct 20:01 LibraryClaire ta! 20:01 LibraryClaire haha, i'm stuck in a web installer loop 20:05 cait try killing plack 20:05 cait or restarting it 20:05 cait but the last time i had to kill it 20:05 LibraryClaire oh 20:05 cait which might not be normally necessary... but... i break things 20:05 LibraryClaire i look at stuff and apparently they break :) 20:07 cait yeah, it happens 20:18 rangi good grief 20:19 rangi https://termsfeed.com/blog/eu-privacy-policy/ 20:19 rangi ive given up trying to reconcile all the privacy stuff 20:19 rangi and just writing one to comply with the EU 20:20 rangi i figure it's about as strong as nz privacy and way stronger than US 20:20 rangi so probably good enough 20:20 Dyrcona Anything is stronger than the US.... :) 20:20 rangi true 20:20 Dyrcona 'Cept mabye Russia. 20:22 Nuentoter china's privacy policy is nice and simple: "if you type it, it is ours, if you read it, it is ours." 20:22 Dyrcona heh 20:24 * Dyrcona is reminded of something Scott McNealy said in the '90s...... 20:27 Dyrcona I can hear the reaction: "Scott McWho, now?" ;) 20:28 LibraryClaire @later tell tcohen I seem to have a working kohadevbox now! Thanks! :) 20:28 huginn LibraryClaire: The operation succeeded. 20:29 * Dyrcona should be configuring production VMs for Evergreen, but somehow wound up in here. :) 20:33 LibraryClaire righty, i'm gonna head to where i cannot break things :D (bed!) 20:33 LibraryClaire laters #koha 20:36 wizzyrea a very annoying thing about the devbox, is that plack isn't supposed to be running when the installer does 20:36 wizzyrea but it is 20:37 wizzyrea in fact, doing work like patch fixing on the devbox with memcached and plack both running is >.< to me. I understand why it's important but it's so easy to forget to clear them. 20:37 cait i am not persuaded web installer + plack not working is not a bug 20:38 cait in general... since we turned on plack some things are weird :( 20:38 rangi it is going to break every upgrade 20:38 rangi in different ways 20:38 rangi (the installer if you plack running) 20:38 wizzyrea isn't it something to do with the version being cached as uninstalled, and then when the db gets populated it isn't refreshed to the now correct version 20:43 wizzyrea that's normally how installer loops happen anyway, version mismatches. 20:44 cait it also seems like turning off opac maintenance requires another restart of plack 20:44 cait or it won't go away 20:44 cait and if you change marc frameworks... it takes time for it to show? *confused* 20:45 wizzyrea changing the frameworks sounds more like a memcached one to me, I could be wrong tho 20:45 cait no memcached running 20:45 wizzyrea then not that :) 20:45 cait i thought that too first, but we checked 20:45 cait does the caching fallback to something else when you have no memcached? 20:46 wizzyrea there was a whole bug about "changing sysprefs doesn't work with plack running" 20:46 wizzyrea bug 9005 20:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack 20:46 cait hm if that crawled back in it would be pretty horrible 20:47 rangi we should stop talking about it and fix it and write user docs and stuff 20:47 rangi bwahaha 20:47 rangi that guy can still go to hell 20:47 wizzyrea one thing to check would be that this C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" is in your koha.psgi file 20:48 cait i don't think we tweaked it 20:48 cait just using default 20:48 cait but will 20:48 wizzyrea *nod* but there have been some changes in there 20:48 wizzyrea since this patch 20:49 cait ok, so C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" is koha.psgi file 20:49 cait will ask tomorrow thx 20:49 wizzyrea must be somethin esle 20:50 cait ah no, can't check from here :) 20:50 cait will have to take it back to the coworkers 20:51 cait wizzyrea: my account for kc website still works - anything i should know about adding a release post? 20:51 wizzyrea hm, nope not really. You are generating the release notes with the release tools? 20:52 wizzyrea if you are using the html created ones, just be sure to put the editor mode in HTML mode when you paste it in 20:52 wizzyrea that's the only thing I can think of 20:52 wizzyrea if you want, I can check it for you 20:52 rangi ohh we base64 md5 hash it 20:52 wizzyrea oh, um, be sure to tag it in the right categories for release 20:52 rangi (hea) 20:52 wizzyrea erk 20:53 rangi its not a password 20:53 rangi just the library name 20:53 wizzyrea oh phe 20:53 wizzyrea w 20:53 rangi and a bunch of entropy 20:53 wizzyrea so interesting 20:54 wizzyrea possibly the method of disabling the syspref cache has changed, because my devbox's koha.psgi doesn't have that disable_syspref_cache 20:55 cait wizzyrea: iwill 20:56 cait wizzyrea: hm i can try and do a draft sometime :) I want to do a test run during th eweekend 20:56 wizzyrea sure - if you can't get me, you can twitter DM or facebook messenger at me (or gchat or...) because that goes to my pocket 20:58 cait thx 20:58 cait trying to get everything in place 20:58 cait should we answer the emai about training and certification? 20:59 rangi kathryn was going to for catalyst, we offer a full week course that covers all that, but i dunno if anyone else was going to 21:01 wizzyrea cait: bug 13805 21:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13805 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Installer does not work under Plack 21:02 rangi https://github.com/ranginui/hea-app/blob/master/Privacy_Policy.md 21:03 rangi now i have to write some T&C 21:03 rangi bleurgh 21:03 wizzyrea rangi++ 21:03 cait t&c? 21:04 rangi terms and conditions 21:04 irma good morning all 21:04 cait morning irma 21:04 cait rangi: ah right 21:04 irma Nice !!! http://libcat.kustar.ac.ae/ 21:04 cait i was thinking because no official certification 21:05 rangi @later tell drojf can you have a read over this please https://github.com/ranginui/hea-app/blob/master/Privacy_Policy.md it's the start of the privacy policy I am writing 21:05 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:06 irma rangi if you are looking for someone (no lawyer) to read over the privacy policy ask BobB 21:08 rangi if you could point him that way, that would be great thanks irma 21:10 kathryn morning! }:0) 21:10 kathryn Yep, I'll answer that one today, rangi 21:10 kathryn hi cait and irma 21:10 irma morning kathryn ... will do Rangi 21:12 cait morning kathryn :) 21:12 kathryn evening cait, white christmas? 21:26 cait not so far, if you don't count fog