Time  Nick            Message
00:33 rangi           karma for bobb
00:34 wahanui         bobb has karma of 22
00:34 rangi           bobb++
05:49 sameeenz        Evening fam.
07:13 * magnuse       waves
07:19 LibraryClaire   morning #koha
07:21 * cait          waves
07:33 reiveune        hello
07:33 jajm            hello
07:33 wahanui         que tal, jajm
07:34 LibraryClaire   hi reiveune, hi jajm
07:34 * LibraryClaire waves to cait
07:34 cait            bbiab
07:42 sophie_m        hello
07:42 wahanui         hello, sophie_m
07:43 alex_a          bonjour
07:45 drojf           morning #koha
07:46 drojf           @later tell tcohen what version on what os? is there a bug for it?
07:46 huginn          drojf: The operation succeeded.
07:58 LibraryClaire   morgen drojf
08:19 sameeenz        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUcT3z2lcmU
08:19 sameeenz        lols.
08:35 fridolin        hiethere
08:38 sameeenz        hi fridolin
08:38 sameeenz        what's going down?
08:53 magnuse         meeting in about 4 hours, right?
08:56 josef_moravec_  magnuse: i think so ;)
08:58 magnuse         yes https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_December_2016
09:04 eythian         @wunder jordaan, ams
09:04 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 10.3°C (10:02 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
09:05 eythian         fog sure is right
09:05 LibraryClaire   @wunder konstanz
09:05 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 3.9°C (10:02 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
09:07 rangi           @later tell mtj theres an atomicupdate still in 16.05.x (in the 16.05.06 release) http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=d02b7cf5297b4efbc763e5e79fc8e7d8e4088918 this should be shifted to updatedatabase.pl
09:07 huginn          rangi: The operation succeeded.
09:17 AndrewIsh       morning #koha
09:21 magnuse         hiya AndrewIsh
09:22 magnuse         @wunder enbo
09:22 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 7.0°C (10:00 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
09:22 magnuse         spring is here!
09:22 AndrewIsh       magnuse:  hi! wow, that's faaar to mild for mid-December
09:22 AndrewIsh       s/to/too
09:23 magnuse         so it is
09:23 AndrewIsh       @wunder machynlleth
09:23 huginn          AndrewIsh: The current temperature in Machynlleth, Machynlleth, United Kingdom is 8.0°C (9:23 AM GMT on December 14, 2016). Conditions: . Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady).
09:24 AndrewIsh       hmmm, too mild here too!
09:24 josef_moravec_  @wunder Prague
09:24 huginn          josef_moravec_: Error: No such location could be found.
09:24 AndrewIsh       oh no, who stole prague?!
09:24 magnuse         we had perfect winter weather this last weekend. -5, bit of snow. now it's kust grey and wet
09:24 josef_moravec_  @wunder Prague, Czech Republic
09:24 huginn          josef_moravec_: The current temperature in Praha / Ruzyne, Czech Republic is 3.0°C (10:00 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
09:25 josef_moravec_  AndrewIsh: probably too much Pragues ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_(disambiguation)
09:26 josef_moravec_  @wunder Usti nad Orlici
09:26 huginn          josef_moravec_: The current temperature in Dlouha Trebova, Dlouhá TÅ™ebová, Czech Republic is -0.5°C (10:25 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
09:26 AndrewIsh       oooh, that sounds lovely magnuse, we've only had a few days of properly cold weather so far this year, i'm holding out hope though. our last few winters have been mild and damp, no snow at all last year, apart from on the mountains, not fun :(
09:27 d_antonakis     @wunder Athens, Greece
09:27 huginn          d_antonakis: The current temperature in SV1JST, Glyfada, Greece is 9.1°C (11:27 AM EET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
09:33 mtj             rangi, oops, thanks for that, i'll fix now
10:34 gveranis_       hi paul
10:34 gveranis_       hi paul_p
10:35 paul_p          hi gveranis_ !
10:36 gveranis_       Do you have today developer meeting ?
10:38 Joubu           gveranis_: yes, 13 utc
10:52 * mtj           waves to Joubu, gveranis_, paul_p :0)
10:55 mtj             drojf, have you thought about creating 16.11 and 16.05 release pockets?
10:55 drojf           mtj: yes, i have
10:56 mtj             cool, i thought you might have :p
10:56 drojf           mtj: i will clean the repos from old dependencies we don't need anymore and want to have a way to stay on a certain version too while i do that
10:57 mtj             yes, exactly ^
10:59 mtj             thanks for reminding me about bug 15200 too
10:59 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15200 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , t/Creators.t fails when using build-git-snapshot
11:01 drojf           i will add you to package related bugs when i find them
11:01 drojf           it has been a bit chaotic last term and i had to do a bit of post production for many releases, i'd like to change that this term
11:05 cait            drojf: will you let me know if you need something in 16.11 for packages?
11:05 cait            gveranis_:  in 2 hours i think
11:05 drojf           cait: yes. i added you to the control file bug already
11:06 mtj             drojf:  could we rename bz17111 to  s/oldstable/16.05/' perhaps?
11:06 cait            yeah not sure i get it :) but hope you will wave and scream if i forget something
11:07 gveranis_       cait: yes I converted , thanks
11:08 drojf           mtj: i don't see why not
11:10 mtj             ok done :)  Bug 17111 - Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable/16.05.x)
11:10 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17111 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable/16.05.x)
11:12 drojf           mtj: i think what was on there now went in via another bug at some point. i have to fix the nightlies so i can make them do automatic patches again
11:18 drojf           later #koha
11:35 taz             i am trying to migrate to newer version of koha and have backup which i dont know from which version backup is after upgrade to 3.20 when i carry out search and click on a particular record it throws error as "DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.constrainttype' in 'field list' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reserves.pm" how to sort out this error
11:37 Joubu           taz: Are you using the latest, 3.20.15?
11:37 taz             no
11:37 taz                 3.20
11:38 taz             3.20.2
11:39 Joubu           taz: you must use the latest of the 3.20.x. Keep in mind that this branch is no longer maintain and it would be better to upgrade to 16.05 or 16.11
11:39 taz             k
11:40 taz             tx
12:04 marcelr         hi #koha
12:07 eythian         hi marcelr
12:08 marcelr         eythian:
12:08 rsantellan      good morning #koha
12:08 marcelr         hi rsantellan
12:09 rsantellan      hi marcelr
12:34 tcohen          morning
12:48 LibraryClaire   hey tcohen
12:50 oleonard        Hi all
12:51 LibraryClaire   hi oleonard
12:51 wahanui         hi oleopard
12:51 LibraryClaire   wahanui: botsnack
12:51 wahanui         :)
12:52 kidclamp        morning #koha
12:52 * LibraryClaire tries to train the bot
12:53 LibraryClaire   hey kidclamp
12:53 wahanui         kidclamp is, like, rockin the stache
12:53 cait            LibraryClaire:++ :)
12:53 tcohen          hi kidclamp!
12:53 kidclamp        hiya tcohen
12:54 kidclamp        and LibraryClaire and cait and oleopard, et al.
12:56 khall           mornin all!
12:56 tcohen          hey khall
12:58 LibraryClaire   hi khall
12:58 khall           hi LibraryClaire!
13:00 cait            kidclamp: are you chaiing the meeting?
13:00 kidclamp        I yam
13:00 cait            cool
13:00 kidclamp        lets do it then :-)
13:00 khall           lol
13:01 kidclamp        #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016
13:01 huginn          Meeting started Wed Dec 14 13:01:09 2016 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:01 huginn          Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:01 huginn          The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016'
13:01 kidclamp        #topic Introductions
13:01 wahanui         #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
13:01 khall           #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
13:01 marcelr         #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands
13:01 kidclamp        #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
13:01 Joubu           #info Jonathan Druart
13:01 josef_moravec_  #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic
13:01 cc_             #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd
13:01 LibraryClaire   #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany
13:01 d_antonakis     #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens, Greece
13:02 drojf           #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
13:02 oleonard        #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
13:03 kidclamp        last call
13:03 petter          #info Petter Åsen, Oslo Public Library, Norway
13:03 AndrewIsh       #info Andrew Isherwood, PTFS Europe Ltd
13:03 kidclamp        #topic Announcements
13:04 gveranis_       #info George Veranis Thessaloniki, Greece
13:04 kidclamp        Mr. RM? anything form you
13:04 khall           I'm starting to push enhancements to master again
13:04 khall           that is all ; )
13:04 tcohen          #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke
13:04 kidclamp        light meeting so anyone feel free to add their thoughts :-)
13:05 khall           this is a judgement free zone ; )
13:05 tcohen          i wanted to ask
13:05 tcohen          what is the status of the Koha::Patron implementation? we are waiting for it to complete the REST endpoint
13:05 tcohen          is it something that will be pushed with some priority?
13:06 Joubu           things are waiting for QA and push
13:06 Joubu           I plan to continue the rewrite, but I need stuffs to move forward, otherwise it's to painful to maintain up-to-date
13:06 tcohen          there's one bug that it is not easy to test, the GetBorrowersWithEmail one
13:06 Joubu           https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=16846
13:06 kidclamp        bug numbers?
13:06 tcohen          it is trivial that it works
13:07 marcelr         :)
13:07 Joubu           so "green" are not really green as they need to be rebased (status=blocked)
13:07 tcohen          but the test plan includes PKI authentication and something else
13:07 Joubu           bug 17554
13:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17554 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move GetBorrowersWithEmail to Koha::Patron
13:08 kidclamp        #info Koha Patron bugs should be helped along
13:08 Joubu           tcohen: I can resubmit a test plan without that part if you like :D
13:08 kidclamp        #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=16846 Dependencies and progress
13:08 drojf           why does it say persona needs to be tested, isn't that dead?
13:08 kidclamp        #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17554 Bug 17554
13:08 khall           I had thought the same thing
13:08 huginn          04Bug 17554: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move GetBorrowersWithEmail to Koha::Patron
13:08 oleonard        it shouldn't be broken before we officially remove it though should it?
13:09 khall           It will be shut down in December 2016
13:09 josef_moravec_  bug 17486
13:09 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17486 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove 'Mozilla Persona' as an authentication method
13:09 barton          #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY, USA
13:09 drojf           "Mozilla announced in January 2016 plans to decommission the service by the end of the year."
13:09 drojf           i don't think we can keep it working when mozilla kills it
13:10 oleonard        I just mean we should work to remove it before Mozilla kills it dead, rather than just let it break by Mozilla's hand or ours.
13:10 Joubu           I can take it (the drop) and rebase the other one on top
13:10 magnuse         #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
13:11 kidclamp        #action Joubu will remove Mozilla Persona and rebase his work on top
13:12 kidclamp        moving on if no more here
13:12 kidclamp        #topic Review of coding guidelines
13:13 kidclamp        nothing in the agenda but floor is open for anyone
13:13 Joubu           ok, so, I need help on QA
13:14 marcelr         this is about coding guidlines?
13:14 barton          I'd like to talk a bit about documentation...
13:14 Joubu           as usual, but the queue is growing too fast, I cannot maintain it alone (and don't want to)
13:14 barton          developer documentation, that is...
13:14 kidclamp        if noc doing guidelines we can jump to general discussion for both of these
13:14 kidclamp        no coding
13:15 kidclamp        cait still here?
13:15 khall           sounds good. let's start with the qa queue and then go to developer documentation
13:15 gveranis_       yes developer documentation could be useful
13:15 khall           63 bugs in signed off queue atm
13:15 kidclamp        okay jumping 16.11 to gen disc.
13:15 LibraryClaire   cait is currentlly AFK
13:15 kidclamp        #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
13:15 kidclamp        #info The QA queue is growing and Joubu needs help
13:16 marcelr         did you mean that , Joubu?
13:16 kidclamp        in maintaining the queue
13:16 Joubu           yes that's enough, nothing more to do about that
13:16 AndrewIsh       pinging ashimema
13:16 Joubu           I pingued the QAers last week, but no answers
13:16 tcohen          I try to QA some stuff, but have a growing backlog on my side too
13:17 khall           Joubu: do you now have push rights to the master branch?
13:17 Joubu           yes I think so
13:17 kidclamp        same boat here, working on what I can, if directed to any specific bug I am happy to make time but general QA sometimes gets missed
13:18 khall           I will try to pitch in on qa. I would appreciate it if you could push anything I pass, just as a sanity check
13:18 Joubu           khall: yep!
13:18 khall           excellent, thanks!
13:19 kidclamp        I plan on testing bug 17196 in the next few days
13:19 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17196 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move marcxml out of the biblioitems table
13:20 Joubu           2 QAs would not be superfluous
13:20 kidclamp        agreed :-)
13:20 tcohen          I will QA it too
13:21 kidclamp        #action kidclamp and tcohen will be looking at bug 17196
13:21 kidclamp        I think the floor is yours barton
13:21 tcohen          after barton, I'd like to highlight something
13:22 barton          kk.
13:22 kidclamp        and I added something to the agenda after that :-)
13:23 barton          I'd like to suggest that we make lack of developer documentation, e.g. POD, something that is an automatic failure in QA.
13:23 marcelr         we normally should do that already?
13:23 barton          I hate to put more work on the QA team, but I also hate not having documentation for everything.
13:24 kidclamp        this came up in the last meeting on November 9th
13:24 Joubu           it's already what we do I think
13:24 kidclamp        is there a coding guideline?
13:24 Joubu           but when the code is self-explanatory, it's not necessary useful to add pod
13:25 Joubu           sub get_holds # well, it returns holds you know
13:25 Joubu           barton: do you have something specific in mind?
13:25 marcelr         perl13
13:25 tcohen          it should be documented that it returns an array of Koha::Hold objects, though
13:25 tcohen          :-P
13:25 marcelr         existing rule
13:25 cc_             we should stress if an interface changes the change should update existing pod doc
13:26 eythian         https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ keep in mind it goes here too, so the code may not be immediately visible.
13:26 barton          Joubu: I found that a lot of the Koha::Objects don't have any...
13:26 kidclamp        #info POD coverage should be checked during QA per coding guideline PERL13
13:28 kidclamp        #link https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ In perldoc even simple code could benefit form POD
13:28 kidclamp        it was proposed to add POD coverage to the QA script, but I don't know fi there was consensus
13:29 tcohen          i think a minimal POD should be required on QA
13:29 barton          Ok, so here's part of my quandry ...
13:29 tcohen          at least the type of the stuff that is returned
13:29 marcelr         harder is writing that for an interface change as mentioned by cc_
13:29 Joubu           so we need to decide what we want in our POD...
13:30 barton          I think that there are a lot of times when the grandfather clause is used when something isn't documented...
13:30 Joubu           I don't think PERL13 is applied appart from SearchSuggestion
13:30 tcohen          I'd say the type for params and return values is the minimum we should require
13:30 barton          a small change is made to a module that doesn't have much documentation...
13:31 barton          ^^ I'm with tcohen there.
13:32 tcohen          can we decide or should we schedule this for another meeting?
13:32 marcelr         decide: just add this to perl13
13:32 barton          tcohen: I'm fine with tabeling the discussion; I'll try and come up with some better examples.
13:33 khall           I'd be interested to know what Perl Best Practices has to say on it, if anything
13:33 Joubu           I think we need a volunteer to write the POD for existing methods
13:33 marcelr         and be pragmatical
13:33 khall           I know there is a full chapter on documentation
13:33 Joubu           to have good examples of what we are expecting
13:33 barton          Ok, I'll volounteer for writing POD.
13:33 khall           yes, we need a template
13:33 oleonard        So we wait and vote on a specific proposal?
13:34 * tcohen        revisits his latest patches and finds incomplete PODs
13:34 Joubu           barton: please don't be too verbose :)
13:34 kidclamp        #action Barton volunteers to write POD for existing docs, brief POD
13:34 kidclamp        anyone volunteer to work up the guidleline for POD going forward?
13:34 kidclamp        and maybe send to the mailing list to vote next meeting?
13:35 barton          Joubu: I don't have enough time to write a *lot* of POD ;-)
13:35 Joubu           I think methods from Koha namespace should be quite easy to document as they are short and do not do lot of things
13:35 tcohen          true
13:35 tcohen          and are covered by functional tests
13:35 khall           indeed
13:35 barton          There are some things that could really use it though ... holds queue, search.pm...
13:36 tcohen          forget about Search.pm please
13:36 marcelr         rewrite it
13:36 kidclamp        heh
13:36 tcohen          yeah
13:36 cc_             we should adopt a recommended location for POD whether inline or after __END__
13:36 barton          heh.
13:36 marcelr         inline
13:36 khall           cc_: it's all inline
13:36 tcohen          inline
13:36 Joubu           after :p
13:36 marcelr         no Joubu
13:36 tcohen          Joubu--
13:36 khall           after is what PBP reccomends
13:36 Joubu           I do not care about the doc when I can see the code
13:36 khall           inline is all we do ; )
13:37 marcelr         inline++
13:37 Joubu           PBP++ :)
13:37 khall           Joubu: I bet you can find a plugin for $editor that will collapse the pod ; )
13:37 eythian         Joubu: if it's not inline, no one sees it and never updates it.
13:37 khall           agreed
13:38 kidclamp        alright folks...I will volunteer to send something to the mailing list to add to the coding guidelines and compile issues, so fight it out there
13:38 kidclamp        #action kidclamp will send a call out to the list for POD guidelines and draft for a vote next meeting
13:39 tcohen          is it my turn?
13:39 kidclamp        your issue tcohen?
13:39 kidclamp        yes
13:39 tcohen          he
13:39 tcohen          as this is a dev meeting
13:39 tcohen          I'd like to share that I started to work on resurrecting bug 13757
13:39 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make patron attributes editable in the opac if set to 'editable in OPAC'
13:40 tcohen          the UI part was done on the bug, and so the CRUD for the opac_editable attribute for extended attributes
13:40 tcohen          but work on borrower_modifications is missing (i.e. handling modification requests for extended attributes)
13:40 tcohen          all this to say
13:40 tcohen          that I got more into writing code using Koha::Object
13:41 tcohen          trying to do a Koha::Object-ify as I touch stuff
13:41 tcohen          aprroach
13:41 tcohen          my first try on Koha::Object was bug 17755
13:41 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17755 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Introduce Koha::Patron::Attribute::Type(s)
13:41 tcohen          a simple one
13:42 tcohen          that had something in common with Koha::Patron::Category
13:42 tcohen          it is constrained by library (formerly branch)
13:42 kidclamp        #info tcohen is working on moving code to use Koha::Object
13:42 tcohen          so i came up with Koha::Object::Limit::Library
13:43 tcohen          which in conjunction with multiple inheritance, makes it easy to extend a Koha::Object to provide suche a constraint
13:43 tcohen          I'd like other QAers opinions
13:43 tcohen          on that specifically
13:43 marcelr         should have a closer look first
13:43 tcohen          yes
13:43 khall           I like it!
13:43 Joubu           Sounds ok to me
13:43 tcohen          I don't expect you to do it now, just thought worth mentioning
13:44 tcohen          and encourage you devs to give Koha::Object a try
13:44 tcohen          because I was skeptical about it when I pushed it
13:44 marcelr         uploads is in Koha;:Object too in the NSO queue
13:44 kidclamp        #info QA and interested parties should look at  Koha::Object::Limit::Library on bug 17755
13:44 tcohen          and now find it really handy and looking at Jonathan's work on moving stuff into using it
13:44 marcelr         bug 17501
13:44 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17501 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Koha Objects for uploaded files
13:45 kidclamp        #info see work on using Koha::Object for uploads on bug 17501
13:45 tcohen          the code looks simple to read, fast to develop
13:45 oleonard        Joubu++
13:45 tcohen          it really improved my dev workflow
13:45 oleonard        tcohen++
13:46 tcohen          ok, that's it. I wanted to share that I like it :-D
13:46 Joubu           yes it's very useful for now. Some stuffs are a bit "too much". We have too many objects. And some object's responsabilities are not correctly defined
13:46 marcelr         tcohen++
13:46 tcohen          and encourage people to look at the ideas behind 17755
13:46 Joubu           but we will be able to clean that a bit when we will have more code moved to the Koha ns
13:46 tcohen          Joubu: I agree
13:46 marcelr         some refactoring might create weird new methods in the Koha objects
13:47 Joubu           marcelr: yes, that's why I start with easy ones
13:47 tcohen          marcelr: Koha::Object::Limit::Library was a try to avoid that
13:48 kidclamp        okay, I have a thing :-)
13:48 kidclamp        I would like to propose turning on voting in Bugzilla
13:48 kidclamp        https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/4.0/en/html/voting.html
13:48 tcohen          +1
13:49 marcelr         voting on what aspects?
13:49 kidclamp        interest/importance generally
13:49 kidclamp        I have been doing a number of talks with users who want to get involved
13:49 kidclamp        they want an easy way to mark a bug as important to them, even if they can't comment on code or implementation
13:50 marcelr         add to cc?
13:50 kidclamp        the idea being that users can see what matters to other users and gain support for fundings
13:50 kidclamp        and devs can see where work might benefit users
13:50 marcelr         but i do not oppose
13:50 kidclamp        adding to cc doesn't give us a count we can sort by
13:50 marcelr         the number in the cc list?
13:50 kidclamp        and honestly, they don't all want emails
13:50 kidclamp        I don't think we can search/report that marcelr
13:51 kidclamp        the worst consequence I see would be a feature we ignore
13:51 * Joubu         is gonna create several bz accounts to vote for his own bugs
13:51 kidclamp        heh
13:51 kidclamp        Joubu had an extra bowl of sass today
13:52 kidclamp        #info kidclamp proposes to add voting to Bigzilla
13:52 kidclamp        #link https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/4.0/en/html/voting.html Bugzilla voting
13:52 barton          s/Bigzilla/Bugzilla/
13:53 Joubu           I don't think will get more involvement with that, but we can try
13:53 kidclamp        if there is opposition I will talk to whoever maintains bugzilla
13:53 drojf           will that lead to people complaining that stuff they voted on is not magically happening?
13:53 tcohen          +1 # it won't hurt anyway, should be announced so people use it
13:53 kidclamp        if they complain and comment at least they are involved drojf :-)
13:53 khall           drojf: I think the idea is to bring awareness to things everyone wants but think only they want
13:53 khall           and by knowing each other, they can group sponsor work
13:54 marcelr         +1 # just try
13:54 barton          +1
13:54 drojf           in a magical world where they have money to sponsor :)
13:54 drojf           +1 # sure why not
13:54 kidclamp        hooray! thanks guys
13:55 marcelr         is it on now? kidclamp ?
13:55 marcelr         lol
13:55 kidclamp        hah, I think I have to ping rangi, I think catalyst maintains bz
13:55 khall           drojf: power in numbers, just had a development sponsored by 30 something libraries pitching in very small amounts
13:55 khall           +1 from me as well
13:56 marcelr         kidclamp: yes, better do it via rangi
13:56 kidclamp        #topic Updates from the QA team
13:56 drojf           khall: nice!
13:56 kidclamp        anything more to add?  I think we covered it in discussion
13:56 Joubu           yes just
13:57 Joubu           not QA related
13:57 kidclamp        :-)
13:57 Joubu           but ldap seems broken under plack
13:57 kidclamp        possibly shib/SAML too
13:57 Joubu           on the general Koha ML
13:57 Joubu           I quickly looked at the code C4/Auth_with_ldap
13:57 Joubu           and it has wrong var scope
13:58 Joubu           someone knowing this part of code should get a look
13:58 ashimema        I can varify shib is broken under plack
13:58 Joubu           it may be easy to fix
13:58 ashimema        and I have a plan to fix it.. when I get a moment
13:58 ashimema        ldap I wasn't aware of being broken.
13:58 * kidclamp      hands ashimema all of his round tuits
13:58 cait            edi libary ean is broken too
13:59 cait            you can't add any
13:59 khall           ashimema++
13:59 ashimema        shib is a case of switching from env variables to request headers
13:59 cait            qa is no longer my topic, but from rmaint's point of vie
13:59 cait            w
13:59 kidclamp        we have ldap working under plack in 3.22 in at least one instance
13:59 khall           cait: is there a bug number for that? I'd be happy to fix it
13:59 cait            yes of course
13:59 cait            there are lots of open bug reports waiting for patches - please also take a look at those. I am going to call string freeze tomorrow and then release on 22nd
13:59 cait            it would be really good if dev coudl take a look at the blocker - major ones recently filed
14:00 cait            bug 17692
14:00 kidclamp        #info LDAP and shib may not be entirely plack safe
14:00 cait            bug 17764 is evil too
14:00 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17764 critical, P2, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user
14:00 kidclamp        #topic Progress on next release (16.11)
14:00 cait            OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user
14:00 kidclamp        #info there are lots of open bug reports waiting for patches - please also take a look at those
14:00 kidclamp        #info string freeze on the 22nd
14:01 Joubu           17764 is for me
14:01 cait            it would be great if we could still get those into 16.11.1
14:01 * oleonard      runs off to an irl meeting
14:01 kidclamp        #info bug 17692 and bug 17764 are high priority for 16.11.1
14:01 * ashimema      apologises for having missed most of this meeting.. feeling rough so went back to bed and slept through the alarm
14:01 kidclamp        oleonard++
14:01 cait            ther are more, those i remembered off the top of my head
14:02 marcelr         any relation with bug 17502
14:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17502 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Resolve internal server error on 0000-00-00 (with Plack)
14:02 marcelr         also a failing search
14:02 Joubu           cait: could you send me the list, if you have one?
14:02 kidclamp        anything more cait?
14:03 cait            i can try and create one - maybe by tomorrow?
14:03 cait            there is also a fixme now search on bugzilla
14:03 cait            that cvould be helpful
14:03 kidclamp        #action cait will compile a list of bugs wanted/needed for 16.11.1
14:03 cait            hm where could we put those so it's not just me?
14:04 kidclamp        send to koha/koha-devel
14:04 cait            also some problems with mulitple holds and sip i think
14:04 cait            there is always lots of bugs - so please don't hit me if i miss an important one
14:05 kidclamp        #info don't hit cait
14:05 cait            i will check what i held back i my inbox - but can't go look through all of bugzilla
14:05 Joubu           bug 17775
14:05 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17775 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add new user with LDAP not works under Plack
14:05 cait            yeah, some evil plack things around
14:05 marcelr         cait: 17502
14:05 kidclamp        #topic Set time of next meeting
14:06 kidclamp        I am proposing something around 20UTC according to survey until someone has a better method/time
14:07 barton          +1
14:07 kidclamp        January 11, 20UTC?
14:07 tcohen          we should have 2 dev meetings a month
14:07 Joubu           Wed
14:07 tcohen          brief ones
14:08 marcelr         this was a good time btw
14:08 barton          agreed.
14:08 kidclamp        agreed, this time was nice
14:08 kidclamp        tcohen - I am all for it if somone else will chair the second meeting
14:08 * tcohen        volunteers
14:09 kidclamp        but keeping meeting short is harder than I thought :-)
14:09 tcohen          I'll ask for help if i cannot attend
14:09 tcohen          true
14:09 marcelr         kidclamp++
14:09 kidclamp        #action tcohen proposes to hold a second dev meeting - he will chair
14:09 kidclamp        do you want to set a time now tcohen, 2 weeks or so? or wait until January to being?
14:10 kidclamp        begin
14:10 tcohen          wait until january, because end of the year is complicated for everyone
14:10 kidclamp        sounds good
14:10 kidclamp        #info next meeting 11 January 2016, 20 UTC
14:11 kidclamp        #endmeeting
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14:11 kidclamp        Thanks all!
14:11 LibraryClaire   kidclamp++
14:11 tcohen          kidclamp++
14:11 Joubu           thanks kidclamp
14:11 khall           later all!
14:11 gveranis_       bye all
14:14 Joubu           What was the plack + shib + ldap bug?
14:14 Joubu           Was there one?
14:15 tcohen            177
14:15 tcohen          17775
14:15 cait            marcelr. I will check the logs for bug numbers
14:16 Joubu           no another one
14:19 ashimema        there isn't a shib bug yet Joubu.. I only verified or myself that it was broken today ;)
14:21 ashimema        there is now 17776
14:22 ashimema        I fixed the exact same issue in other apps.. it's just a case of getting me head back around how the koha implimentation works ;)
14:22 tcohen          ashimema: do u plan to write a Plack::Middleware? or just put an if plack and handle the headers in the code?
14:22 tcohen          :D
14:28 oleonard        Anyone sign me up for anything while I was gone?
14:28 marcelr         only rewrite Search.pm, oleonard
14:29 tcohen          oleonard: yes, go learn React and re-implement the OPAC with it. We'll implement the needed RESTful endpoints as you require them
14:29 oleonard        tcohen: Oh is that all?
14:30 * oleonard      has a couple of hours before lunch
14:30 josef_moravec_  oleonard: bug 16239 ;)
14:30 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Needs Signoff , Upgrade Bootstrap in the staff client
14:30 josef_moravec_  oleonard: sorry to be so annoying with this...
14:30 oleonard        I know josef_moravec_! You should continue to bug me because I need reminding.
14:31 * oleonard      has been distracted while learning about Vagrant
14:31 oleonard        Still fighting to get kohadevbox running on Windows :(
14:33 LibraryClaire   oleonard: still no joy?
14:33 ashimema        tcohen, I'm not sure yet
14:33 tcohen          oleonard: did you manage to get the kohaclone dir contain the community repo?
14:34 ashimema        tcohen, in the past when I've fixed it for other apps they'd made the decision to go fully persistent and stop supporting a non-persistent mode
14:35 ashimema        so there was no need to maintain any environment based compatability.. so I just did it directly
14:35 * tcohen        thinks we should just drop non-persistent support
14:35 oleonard        You know what tcohen, looking at the error message again I may have messed something up in my configuration. Let me try something and report back.
14:35 ashimema        the shibboleth folk claim that using headers is in theory a security concern and you should always prefer env's
14:35 ashimema        but I can't see that many apps can actually do it that way anymore ;)
14:36 tcohen          oleonard: it seems that you have SYNC_REPO set (otherwise it would have cloned the repo inside the box) and it is failing to mount it
14:37 ashimema        tcohen++ #suggesting we ditch non-plack altogether
14:38 tcohen          ashimema: there's a bunch of support companies involved in the community, I'm sure we have the work force to fix anything that would prevent it
14:38 tcohen          it is just a matter of will
14:38 ashimema        haha, indeed
14:39 tcohen          i mean, c'mon, fixing a variable scoping issue? the most difficult part is finding the bug, and it will certaintly happen the more people use Plack
14:43 ashimema        suggest it at the next community meeting and I'll back you ;)
14:43 tcohen          ok
14:44 ashimema        we're only just starting to go the plack route.. it would be good to have a kick to make sure we do ;)
14:44 ashimema        'we = ptfs europe' in the above
14:44 tcohen          sounds good
15:12 oleonard        I wonder if libraries who hesitate to share Koha usage statistics in Hea would prefer to share only that they are a Koha user? So give the option to share library name and URL but not stats.
15:17 LibraryClaire   oleonard: I feel like that might be a nice option to have...
15:18 oleonard        Does ByWater check to make sure that every one of its customers is registered on Breeding's site? If so, ask then to enable Hea too.
15:18 oleonard        Repeat for every Koha support company.
15:18 tcohen          we do
15:28 oleonard        tcohen: I made a correction to my sync_repo path and the installation succeeded (with 2 or 3 rounds of 'vagrant provision' to get it there)
15:28 tcohen          YAY!
15:57 tcohen          decode_json
16:04 eythian         no, you decode_json
16:11 drojf           if one of you encodes and the other decodes, you can be the human jsonipede
16:11 tcohen          hehe
16:11 tcohen          I have issues with my desktop setup
16:12 tcohen          i use 6 workspaces
16:12 tcohen          and when I switch back a forth from one to the other
16:12 tcohen          the IRC client seems to get the focus
16:13 tcohen          it might be related to my 'sticky in all workspaces' setup
16:13 tcohen          (so I can always read the IRC while working
16:13 tcohen          he
16:13 tcohen          its a bug in Unity, I'll file a bug
16:14 oleonard        'sticky in all workspaces' describes my home computer after my kids use it.
16:15 tcohen          sec
16:15 tcohen          https://snag.gy/Yz59Ry.jpg
16:16 tcohen          so I have firefox in another workspace
16:16 tcohen          and when I switch, it still shows the IRC client
16:16 tcohen          when i go back, IRC wrongly gets the focus
16:29 reiveune        bye
16:43 pastebot        "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Error when using git-bz in kohadevbox" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/194
16:45 eythian         oleonard: have you defined the global name "host"?
16:46 oleonard        eythian: I have followed the kohadevbox instructions and my expectation was that I didn't need to manually define anything
16:46 eythian         I can't remember the details, but somewhere you have to provide a hostname.
16:47 oleonard        I don't see anything about that here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Configure_git-bz
16:51 kidclamp        @later tell magnue coverflow 2.4 released - let me know if I broke anything :-)
16:51 huginn          kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
16:52 eythian         not sure, it's been too long since I've had to set it up.
17:00 Joubu           oleonard: I think I get it when https is not set to true
17:23 LibraryClaire   anyone able to help me with an error message I get when trying to do a git pull in devbox? I have a special skill for breaking things these days
17:25 Joubu           LibraryClaire: can try
17:26 LibraryClaire   i'm sure it's easy... two secs i'll paste
17:26 pastebot        "LibraryClaire" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error: Unable to find 2618afd8" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/195
17:27 Joubu           on fetching I guess?
17:27 LibraryClaire   yes
17:28 Joubu           git remote -v
17:29 LibraryClaire   tells me an origin for push and fetch
17:29 Joubu           over git or http?
17:29 LibraryClaire   origin http://git.koha-community.org/koha.git
17:30 Joubu           ok, try
17:30 Joubu           git remote set-url origin git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git
17:30 Joubu           then fetch
17:30 LibraryClaire   oh it's doing things now :D
17:32 LibraryClaire   Thanks Joubu :))
17:36 kidclamp        ashimema++
17:36 kidclamp        Joubu++
17:44 rsantellan      I have a question about the email templates creation. The overdue_notice.pl call C4::Overdues::parse_overdues_letter, I see that I have all the data there, with all the data it calls: C4::Letters::GetPreparedLetter
17:45 rsantellan      my problem is in that function don't replace any data at all
17:45 rsantellan      I create a test template with all the parameters
17:45 rsantellan      and only a few of them are completed
17:50 Rules           Hello everyone
17:50 Rules           I have a question
17:51 Rules           It's simple but I don't know how to do it
17:51 Rules           I have several item types
17:52 Rules           Books, journals, magazines, dvd's and others
17:53 Rules           i want to create diferent rules to everyone
17:53 Rules           for example
17:53 Rules           books for 15 days
17:53 Rules           and dvd for 5 days
17:53 Rules           but I can't do it
17:53 Rules           or is not working
17:54 edveal          Rules so are you setting them up in the Circulation and fines rules?
17:54 Rules           yup
17:55 Rules           i set 15 days to books
17:55 Rules           and 5 days to DVD
17:55 edveal          Can you explain what is not working?
17:55 edveal          Are they checkiong out for the wrong time or not checking out at all?
17:55 Rules           but books are loan just for 5 days
17:55 Rules           like using dvd rules
17:56 Rules           cheking out for the wrong time
17:56 edveal          Do you have multiple libraries?
17:56 Rules           Nope
17:56 Rules           just 1
17:57 edveal          Do you have multiple patron catagories or have you set that for “All”?
17:58 Rules           multiple
17:58 edveal          Do they have different rules for each patron catagory?
17:59 Rules           yes
17:59 edveal          Are any of them checking out correctly or are they all doing the same thing incorrectly?
18:00 Rules           DVD are checking out for 5 days... like they suppose to
18:01 Rules           but books are checking out for 5 days too.... not 15 days like I would like
18:01 edveal          But everything else is checking out incorectly?
18:02 Rules           other types aren't configured
18:02 edveal          So you only have those two? sorry for all the questions.
18:03 Rules           yes... but i believe that it would be the same problems for other items
18:03 Rules           no worries
18:03 Rules           keep asking
18:03 edveal          What version of Koha are you using?
18:03 Rules           is the only way you can help me
18:04 Rules           3.22.04.000
18:26 LibraryClaire   tcohen around?
18:32 tcohen          hi LibraryClaire
18:32 LibraryClaire   hi, i think i broke something in my devbox
19:10 oleonard        Okay figured out my git-bz problem. With sync_repo on git-bz was looking at the git config file on my host machine, which doesn't have git-bz because does it even work on Windows?
19:10 oleonard        Manually adding config details solved the problem.
19:12 oleonard        So it makes me wonder, should there be a global configuration setting for git-bz out of the box?
19:14 rangi           i guess for all the bits that can be global (except the username and password i guess?)
19:15 oleonard        In kohadevbox would putting everything in global collide with other stuff? I guess I don't know what else people might use kohadevbox for
19:16 oleonard        Also hi rangi
19:17 rangi           heya oleonard
19:17 wahanui         oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
19:19 oleonard        By the way, thanks for your contribution of the Mozilla Persona functionality rangi. Too bad it didn't take off.
19:20 * oleonard      signed off on the patch which removes it
19:21 rangi           yeah, tis a shame, i still reckon federated IDP is much better than one single one ... but oh well, we get the internet we deserve ;)
19:25 * oleonard      is a little annoyed at the rate at which Mozilla starts and then kills projects
19:26 rangi           yup
19:27 drojf           yes
19:27 * drojf         throws a few firefox os phones on the #koha fire
19:27 rangi           you know what killed firefox os
19:28 rangi           europeans and their love of whatsapp
19:28 drojf           heh
19:28 drojf           wasn't that actually available? never used it
19:28 rangi           srsly, i was talking to francois who worked on them, they got so many returned as 'faulty' because whatsapp wouldn't work on them (and whatsapp had zero intention of porting)
19:29 rangi           its probably the same reason ubuntu phones will fail
19:29 LibraryClaire   my new tv has firefox os
19:29 drojf           :(
19:29 drojf           throw it on the fire
19:29 LibraryClaire   but so shiny :(
19:29 drojf           i said fire
19:29 rangi           heh
19:29 drojf           :P
19:29 oleonard        I didn't know TVs had Firefox OS.
19:30 rangi           gotta be better than whatever madness my panasonic tv is running
19:30 drojf           panasonic has some. i read they might… "work" on it
19:30 drojf           but i hear they suck at that
19:30 drojf           sounds like rangi can confirm
19:30 drojf           :P
19:31 oleonard        I'm a little afraid of new TVs these days. What are they doing behind my back?
19:31 rangi           yay for tvs that randomly crash
19:31 rangi           such a good advance
19:31 drojf           i want the internet out of the tv
19:31 drojf           thats what raspis are for :P
19:31 LibraryClaire   mine is panasonic
19:32 rangi           i have an old one, its running panasonics own creation (probably windows me hacked at)
19:32 LibraryClaire   it has not crashed and runs netflix really well :D
19:34 drojf           ok i give up trying to figure out why the nightly thing puts the whole git directory in the tar file. which is why all is broken, because thats huge
19:34 * drojf         throws the nightly server on the fire
19:35 * LibraryClaire tries to put out hte fire before everything ends up in it
19:35 rangi           hehe
19:37 * cait          waves
19:38 * cait          has pancakes :)
19:38 rangi           don't let drojf see them, he'll throw them on the fire
19:39 * LibraryClaire takes pancakes to save them from fire
19:39 oleonard        Yes, to 'save them from the fire' ...
19:40 cait            hehe
19:40 LibraryClaire   sorry what? *wipes crumbs from mouth*
19:40 * cait          shares with rangi and LibraryClaire
19:40 LibraryClaire   yay :D
19:40 cait            oh and oleonard
19:41 cait            drojf: you know why you don't get any
19:42 cait            anyone want me to help with the evil bug list?
19:42 LibraryClaire   i have spent two hours trying to make some form of koha work so i can test stuff
19:42 * oleonard      didn't know there was a separate list for evil ones
19:42 LibraryClaire   *cries in the corner*
19:42 cait            i made the mistake to speak up at th emeeting
19:42 cait            and now Joubu wants a list
19:43 oleonard        LibraryClaire: I just got my kohadevbox working, so I'm a super-expert now.
19:43 cait            i think building a bugzilla search might work and checking severity
19:43 LibraryClaire   oleonard i just broke mine
19:44 LibraryClaire   building from scratch now
19:45 cait            bug 7736
19:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736 new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality
19:45 oleonard        Oh the evil bug list came up while I was away.
19:45 cait            i was only there for like 5 mins... was enough to end up with a todo
19:45 cait            bug 17692
19:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17692 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Can't add library EAN under Plack
19:46 cait            how do we treat plack bugs?
19:46 oleonard        So the question is about NEW bugs? Or existing patches we want to move along?
19:46 cait            i was mostly talking about bugs without patches
19:46 cait            we have some regressions
19:47 cait            ah cool, bug 17764 has a patch now :)
19:47 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17764 critical, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user
19:47 cait            Joubu++ oleonard++
19:47 LibraryClaire   see
19:47 LibraryClaire   that was what i was gonna test
19:48 LibraryClaire   stupid broken .... *mutters*
19:48 cait            bug 17766
19:48 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17766 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Patron notification does not work with multi item holds
19:48 cait            has a patch waiting
19:50 cait            bug 17774
19:50 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17774 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Acquisitions module getting internal server error when adding orders to basket - a case of barcode not autoincrementing (?)
19:53 * LibraryClaire throws laptop on the fire
19:54 drojf           good girl
19:54 LibraryClaire   I cannot test under these conditions!
19:55 LibraryClaire   (broke all her kohas)
19:55 oleonard        I'm sorry you're having trouble LibraryClaire, but kohadevbox++ from me so far.
19:55 LibraryClaire   yeh it was great while it worked
19:56 LibraryClaire   but we couldn't figure out what on earth i did
19:56 LibraryClaire   so we did vagrant destroy
19:56 LibraryClaire   just waiting for it to reinstall
19:56 LibraryClaire   i think the magic pixies got at it while i was sleeping
19:58 LibraryClaire   i suspect it has nothing to do with the devbox itself and is more pebcak :D
19:58 cait            hm, what about the fumes?
19:58 LibraryClaire   yay install finished
19:59 LibraryClaire   *pokes devbox*
19:59 cait            burning laptop
19:59 LibraryClaire   drojf's fire
19:59 oleonard        Bye all. See you tomorrow.
20:00 cait            ah good then
20:00 LibraryClaire   anyone know what the web installer login is for devbox?
20:00 cait            koha_kohadev
20:00 cait            password
20:00 wahanui         i heard password was correct
20:01 LibraryClaire   ta!
20:01 LibraryClaire   haha, i'm stuck in a web installer loop
20:05 cait            try killing plack
20:05 cait            or restarting it
20:05 cait            but the last time i had to kill it
20:05 LibraryClaire   oh
20:05 cait            which might not be normally necessary... but... i break things
20:05 LibraryClaire   i look at stuff and apparently they break :)
20:07 cait            yeah, it happens
20:18 rangi           good grief
20:19 rangi           https://termsfeed.com/blog/eu-privacy-policy/
20:19 rangi           ive given up trying to reconcile all the privacy stuff
20:19 rangi           and just writing one to comply with the EU
20:20 rangi           i figure it's about as strong as nz privacy and way stronger than US
20:20 rangi           so probably good enough
20:20 Dyrcona         Anything is stronger than the US.... :)
20:20 rangi           true
20:20 Dyrcona         'Cept mabye Russia.
20:22 Nuentoter       china's privacy policy is nice and simple: "if you type it, it is ours, if you read it, it is ours."
20:22 Dyrcona         heh
20:24 * Dyrcona       is reminded of something Scott McNealy said in the '90s......
20:27 Dyrcona         I can hear the reaction: "Scott McWho, now?" ;)
20:28 LibraryClaire   @later tell tcohen I seem to have a working kohadevbox now! Thanks! :)
20:28 huginn          LibraryClaire: The operation succeeded.
20:29 * Dyrcona       should be configuring production VMs for Evergreen, but somehow wound up in here. :)
20:33 LibraryClaire   righty, i'm gonna head to where i cannot break things :D (bed!)
20:33 LibraryClaire   laters #koha
20:36 wizzyrea        a very annoying thing about the devbox, is that plack isn't supposed to be running when the installer does
20:36 wizzyrea        but it is
20:37 wizzyrea        in fact, doing work like patch fixing on the devbox with memcached and plack both running is >.< to me. I understand why it's important but it's so easy to forget to clear them.
20:37 cait            i am not persuaded web installer + plack not working is not a bug
20:38 cait            in general... since we turned on plack some things are weird :(
20:38 rangi           it is going to break every upgrade
20:38 rangi           in different ways
20:38 rangi           (the installer if you plack running)
20:38 wizzyrea        isn't it something to do with the version being cached as uninstalled, and then when the db gets populated it isn't refreshed to the now correct version
20:43 wizzyrea        that's normally how installer loops happen anyway, version mismatches.
20:44 cait            it also seems like turning off opac maintenance requires another restart of plack
20:44 cait            or it won't go away
20:44 cait            and if you change marc frameworks... it takes time for it to show? *confused*
20:45 wizzyrea        changing the frameworks sounds more like a memcached one to me, I could be wrong tho
20:45 cait            no memcached running
20:45 wizzyrea        then not that :)
20:45 cait            i thought that too first, but we checked
20:45 cait            does the caching fallback to something else when you have no memcached?
20:46 wizzyrea        there was a whole bug about "changing sysprefs doesn't work with plack running"
20:46 wizzyrea        bug 9005
20:46 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack
20:46 cait            hm if that crawled back in it would be pretty horrible
20:47 rangi           we should stop talking about it and fix it and write user docs and stuff
20:47 rangi           bwahaha
20:47 rangi           that guy can still go to hell
20:47 wizzyrea        one thing to check would be that this C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" is in your koha.psgi file
20:48 cait            i don't think we tweaked it
20:48 cait            just using default
20:48 cait            but will
20:48 wizzyrea        *nod* but there have been some changes in there
20:48 wizzyrea        since this patch
20:49 cait            ok, so C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" is  koha.psgi file
20:49 cait            will ask tomorrow thx
20:49 wizzyrea        must be somethin esle
20:50 cait            ah no, can't check from here :)
20:50 cait            will have to take it back to the coworkers
20:51 cait            wizzyrea: my account for kc website still works - anything i should know about adding a release post?
20:51 wizzyrea        hm, nope not really. You are generating the release notes with the release tools?
20:52 wizzyrea        if you are using the html created ones, just be sure to put the editor mode in HTML mode when you paste it in
20:52 wizzyrea        that's the only thing I can think of
20:52 wizzyrea        if you want, I can check it for you
20:52 rangi           ohh we base64 md5 hash it
20:52 wizzyrea        oh, um, be sure to tag it in the right categories for release
20:52 rangi           (hea)
20:52 wizzyrea        erk
20:53 rangi           its not a password
20:53 rangi           just the library name
20:53 wizzyrea        oh phe
20:53 wizzyrea        w
20:53 rangi           and a bunch of entropy
20:53 wizzyrea        so interesting
20:54 wizzyrea        possibly the method of disabling the syspref cache has changed, because my devbox's koha.psgi doesn't have that disable_syspref_cache
20:55 cait            wizzyrea: iwill
20:56 cait            wizzyrea: hm i can try and do a draft sometime :) I want to do a test run during th eweekend
20:56 wizzyrea        sure - if you can't get me, you can twitter DM or facebook messenger at me (or gchat or...) because that goes to my pocket
20:58 cait            thx
20:58 cait            trying to get everything in place
20:58 cait            should we answer the emai about training and certification?
20:59 rangi           kathryn was going to for catalyst, we offer a full week course that covers all that, but i dunno if anyone else was going to
21:01 wizzyrea        cait: bug 13805
21:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13805 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Installer does not work under Plack
21:02 rangi           https://github.com/ranginui/hea-app/blob/master/Privacy_Policy.md
21:03 rangi           now i have to write some T&C
21:03 rangi           bleurgh
21:03 wizzyrea        rangi++
21:03 cait            t&c?
21:04 rangi           terms and conditions
21:04 irma            good morning all
21:04 cait            morning irma
21:04 cait            rangi: ah right
21:04 irma            Nice !!! http://libcat.kustar.ac.ae/
21:04 cait            i was thinking because no official certification
21:05 rangi           @later tell drojf can you have a read over this please https://github.com/ranginui/hea-app/blob/master/Privacy_Policy.md  it's the start of the privacy policy I am writing
21:05 huginn          rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:06 irma            rangi if you are looking for someone (no lawyer) to read over the privacy policy ask BobB
21:08 rangi           if you could point him that way, that would be great thanks irma
21:10 kathryn         morning! }:0)
21:10 kathryn         Yep, I'll answer that one today, rangi
21:10 kathryn         hi cait and irma
21:10 irma            morning kathryn ... will do Rangi
21:12 cait            morning kathryn :)
21:12 kathryn         evening cait, white christmas?
21:26 cait            not so far, if you don't count fog