Time Nick Message 05:32 * magnuse waves 05:33 magnuse @wunder boo 05:33 magnuse @wunder marseille 05:33 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on October 05, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.77 in 1042 hPa (Steady). 05:33 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Lotissement le Pitalugue, Vitrolles, France is 13.7°C (7:32 AM CEST on October 05, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 06:22 LibraryClaire morning #koha 06:36 drojf mrnng 06:36 fridolin hie there 06:38 LibraryClaire drojf: not a fan of vowels this morning? 06:38 LibraryClaire hi fridolin 06:38 fridolin hie 06:39 drojf LibraryClaire: np 06:39 drojf Lbrryclr 06:41 LibraryClaire :P 06:42 drf bttr 06:44 drojf that was fun, now back to work :( 06:44 LibraryClaire ho li day 06:44 drojf soon 06:45 gaetan_B hello 06:46 drojf hi cait and gaetan_B, right in time for vowels 06:46 cait morning 06:47 LibraryClaire morning cait, gaetan_B :) 06:55 reiveune hello 06:56 alex_a bonjour 07:20 * magnuse waves again 07:20 * cait waves too 07:20 drojf hei magnuse 08:18 eythian hi 08:18 eythian @wunder ams 08:18 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 10.2°C (10:07 AM CEST on October 05, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035 hPa (Steady). 08:19 eythian we've lost nearly 20° in one month. How unfair. 08:31 magnuse @wunder boo 08:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on October 05, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.77 in 1042 hPa (Steady). 10:06 thd Is there an IRC meeting now? 10:09 kidclamp seems like noone is here? 10:10 thd Not here or not awake. 10:10 * ashimema is in meetings at the minute.. but is watching out the corner of his eye 10:10 manny Hi there Koha friends 10:11 thd Who is here for the general IRC meeting? 10:11 manny Manny from the Philippines 10:11 kidclamp I would join 10:12 ashimema cait Joubu ? 10:13 Joubu ashimema: ! 10:13 ashimema is there meant to be a meeting.. i just happend to be watching the screen when someone asked ;) 10:14 thd https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_5_October 10:15 thd The page creator accidentally left the year off the wiki page title but I do not think that is the problem of insufficient attention. 10:19 thd Do we have enough people here to conduct a meeting? 10:20 Joubu I am sorry I am not really around (off today) 10:20 Joubu cait: are you around? 10:21 thd If we do not have an answer then we should defer to next month. 10:21 kidclamp I would thionk so thd 10:22 kidclamp or reschedule 10:23 thd Joubu, ashimema, kidclamp, manny, khall would you prefer to reschedule for later in the month or defer to next month? 10:24 Joubu What are the topics? The wiki page is blank... 10:24 thd https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_7_September_2016 10:25 thd oops 10:25 thd https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_5_October 10:25 thd The page creator accidentally left the year off the wiki page title but I do not think that is the problem of insufficient attention. 10:26 Joubu ha no it's not 10:27 manny <thd>I'm here to inform you guys about the KohaCon 2017 registration 10:28 thd I note that past practise for low turnout is to defer until the next month. 10:28 kidclamp can you send info out to the koha list manny? or is discussion needed? if so I would say reschedule for when there is a larger group 10:28 manny we can send it to the list 10:28 thd kidclamp++ 10:29 Joubu manny: yes I agree, please send your info to the list :) 10:29 manny okay i'll do that 10:30 thd manny: I assume that you have a functioning URI for registration which you can post to the koha mailing list. 10:30 manny yes 10:30 manny a Google form :) 10:32 thd Shall we postpone to Wed. 2 November 2016 20 UTC? 10:34 kidclamp +1 10:34 manny +1 10:37 thd I will be happy to start to gradually have time for Koha again then after my friend's landlord withdrew the case against him. 10:39 kidclamp sounds like good news thd 10:41 thd In the absence of objections, I will create a wiki page for a general IRC meeting Wed. 2 November 2016 20 UTC. 10:42 thd I will also hope that someone will send a reminder to mailing list before next month. 10:42 thd I may be busy reconfiguring my mail server at the time. 10:45 thd I have far too many tasks which I had to suspend while my friends landlord was pursuing him for almost 2 years for the terrible crime of having a wonderful and large home library. 10:46 cait sorry, i forgot :( 10:47 cait too much to do, not enough time 10:47 thd cait: Is that not a universal condition? 10:48 cait yes, but i not always forget about the meetings - it's a miracle! 10:48 thd :) 10:49 thd cait: In the absence of objections, I will create a wiki page for a general IRC meeting Wed. 2 November 2016 20 UTC. 10:50 cait yes thx 11:51 thd cait: Are you still here? 11:52 oleonard Hi all 11:52 thd Hello oleonard 11:54 thd oleonard: I had finally managed to visit Ohio but could not stay long. 11:55 * thd came for the IFLA subject analysis satellite conference 11:58 thd oleonard: Ohio needs more bus service within and between cities. 11:58 oleonard thd: I assume the same can be said about all but the largest cities in the US 11:59 thd oleonard: I am spoilt by generally only visiting the largest ones :) 12:00 thd oleonard: My very long walks around Columbus between bus service were still very pleasant. 12:00 oleonard Columbus? So you were quite near me. 90 minutes away. 12:01 thd Yes, IFLA was held in Columbus. 12:02 oleonard I think I knew that. 12:03 thd I could not afford the IFLA price but the subject analysis satellite conference had no fee and was very informative. 12:22 thd Quit 13:35 rsantellan good morning #koha 13:38 oleonard Hi rsantellan 13:45 rsantellan One quick question, from where is taken the frameworkcode when editing a biblio? It always take the default one in my case. And on the the table biblio I have the frameworkcode set. 13:57 Joubu rsantellan: do you use the advanced editor? 13:58 Joubu see bug 16424 13:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16424 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Advanced editor reverts records back to Default framework 13:58 rsantellan no, the "simple" one 14:05 Joubu rsantellan: whatever the value of biblio.frameworkcode, the default one is always used, that's what you say? 14:07 rsantellan Joubu: yes, the wierd part is that if I look up on the MARC tab the framework is display. If I edit it is always the default one 14:09 Joubu and if you change the framework from the edit form? 14:13 rsantellan If I edit the record, change the framework and edit again no framework is selected. 14:14 rsantellan I see the framework on the title but is not selected on the settings 14:18 Joubu it remembers me bug 17206 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17206 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Can't switch to default framework 14:29 rsantellan Joubu: I update to 16.05.04.001 now I'm searching the item again to look if now is working 14:33 rsantellan Joubu: is the same. I'm looking on the patch if it leaves something not contemplated 14:35 Joubu rsantellan: if you think it's a bug, please open a bug report 14:38 rsantellan I will check if my data is wrong first and then see if is a bug or my data is the problem 14:42 oleonard Joubu: I'm trying to set up qa-test-tools in a new VM and I'm getting an error: Can't locate Test/Perl/Critic/Progressive.pm in @INC. But it is installed 14:42 rsantellan Joubu: one question, where is the variable current_framework of file cat-toolbar.inc initilizated? 14:44 oleonard rsantellan: It's initialized in the Perl script corresponding to the template into which it is included 14:45 oleonard rsantellan: So there's not one answer 14:45 Joubu oleonard: this is because you did not read the readme or install file ;) 14:45 Joubu you need to install it via cpan 14:45 Joubu cpanm Test::Perl::Critic::Progressive should do the trick 14:46 oleonard :) 14:46 rsantellan oleonard: I'm looking at catalogue/detail.pl and is not initialized 14:46 oleonard Joubu: I *did* see that warning in the docs, but thought that step was required later 14:46 oleonard Joubu: My bad. 14:46 Joubu no worries ;) 14:47 Joubu rsantellan: indeed 14:47 Joubu something looks wrong 14:50 rsantellan Joubu: if I do -> grep 'current_framework' * -nr there is only matches on cat-toolbar.inc 14:51 Joubu rsantellan: it works for me on master 14:52 Joubu the script detail.pl does not need to know the frameworkcode, it's a leftover from old code. 14:52 Joubu The script knows what is the framework to use with the biblionumber 14:52 Joubu I am able to edit a record with a frameworkcode=DVD 14:53 Joubu and under the Settings menu I see the correctly framework selected 14:53 Joubu correct* 14:54 rsantellan I'm on branch: origin/16.05.x 14:54 rsantellan I will checkout master and compare 14:56 Joubu don't forget to restart plack 14:56 rsantellan not using plack yet 15:16 rsantellan Joubu: can you paste the url of the editing DVD biblio? only the parameters to see if I'm missing the parameter entering or is something with addbiblio.pl 15:17 Joubu you just need the biblionumber 15:18 Joubu try: select frameworkcode from biblio where biblionumber=? 15:19 Joubu then, select count(*) from biblio_framework where frameworkcode=? 15:19 rsantellan the GetFrameworkCode of C4::Biblio is called and return the correct framework 15:20 rsantellan but is not passing it to the settings options 15:21 rsantellan I found out that the edit url is generated like this: addbiblio.pl?biblionumber=62310&frameworkcode=&op= if I remove &frameworkcode=&op= it all works like a charm 15:23 rsantellan I have compared master with branch 16.05.X and both have the same line: <li><a id="editbiblio" href="/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?biblionumber=[% biblionumber %]&frameworkcode=[% current_framework %]&op=">Edit record</a></li> 15:24 rsantellan and on master current framework is only defined on cat-toolbar.inc 15:34 rsantellan Joubu: I found the problem, if I change the line 713 of addbiblio.pl from: if ( $biblionumber and not( defined $frameworkcode) and $op ne 'addbiblio' ); to if ( $biblionumber and (not( defined $frameworkcode ) or $frameworkcode eq '') and $op ne 'addbiblio' ); works like a charm!! 15:34 rsantellan My problem now is that I don't know if this is a bug or this is supposed to be like this. 15:42 Joubu rsantellan: I think that the good fix would be to remove the frameworkcode from the url, so in the template remove this current_framework useless var 15:43 rsantellan Joubu: op is never set to a value on edit should I remove it also? 15:45 Joubu yes 15:52 rsantellan just added bug: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17405 with the corresponding file to fix it. 15:52 huginn 04Bug 17405: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , The creation of the url on cat-toolbar.inc is using obsolete current_framework 15:53 reiveune bye 16:54 oleonard Would it be appropriate to remove links to non-Koha libraries in this list https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/NorthAmerica ? 17:50 CrispyBran This might be an easy fix for a programmer. (I'm not a programmer) https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16387 17:50 huginn 04Bug 16387: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Incorrect loan period calculation when using decreaseLoanHighHolds feature 18:52 rangi morning 18:53 bag morning rangi 18:54 LibraryClaire hi rangi 18:55 CrispyBran greetings rangi 19:25 ExtraCrispyBran Just posted: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17406 19:25 huginn 04Bug 17406: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Simplify pay.pl interface - pt.1 19:59 ExtraCrispyBran Just posted: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17409 19:59 huginn 04Bug 17409: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove redundant note fields for payments on pay.pl 19:59 ExtraCrispyBran https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17408 19:59 huginn 04Bug 17408: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , paycollect.pl should show more information 20:09 ExtraCrispyBran Is there an advantage of having a confirmation on a new page over a modal confirmation? 20:10 rangi you'd want to check the modal is accesible 20:11 rangi a lot of the "improvements" we've made lately make it much harder for a visually impaired user to use Koha, we need to fix that 20:12 ExtraCrispyBran Are we keeping a list somewhere of these improvements and how they have made it harder? 20:14 rangi screenreaders don't cope well with on the fly DOM changes, anything were people make something work only with JS is a bad change 20:16 rangi http://wave.webaim.org 20:16 rangi is a good tool for finding a bunch 20:19 rangi we should be aiming to pass at least the WCAG 2.0 guidelines, definitely the OPAC and I contend staff client too 20:22 rangi we should actually be able to build testing for it, as part of regression testing, that would be pretty neat 20:26 Banta_L Out of curiosity: Is there any ongoing effort to convert the staff client away from yui and to bootstrap? And if so are there guidelines for how to contribute ? (I guess this also plays into WCAG support) 20:28 CrispyBran @rangi, thanks for the info. 20:28 huginn CrispyBran: I suck 20:28 rangi no worries, i think in a lot of countries, public/govt sites have to actually comply (by law) so something worth keeping in mind 20:55 rsantellan good night #koha! 22:20 nnn we wish to use RFID with our koha. we had proprietary software where RFID was implemented it used NCIP protocol. For getting RFID on on Koha do we need any middleware for circulation of books 22:20 nnn can we not configure koha directly for issue/return through RFID 22:22 rangi easiest is via NCIP or SIP .. that's what those protocols are for 22:23 rangi if you wanted to write some code that could read an rfid tag and send the barcode portion of that to a webbrowser, then you could do that too 22:24 nnn my query is it is necessary to have middleware for RFID 22:24 nnn and appararantly they work on windows 22:24 nnn that is what local vendor mentioned 22:25 nnn vendor mentioned that middleware software will carry out issue/return and data will be updated on koha 22:27 rangi you need some software to read (and sometimes write) the tags 22:27 rangi if the protocol for the tags follows a standard, and is well documented, in theory you could programme that yourselves 22:28 rangi if not, then you pretty much have to use the software they give you 22:28 rangi (self check machines etc obviously have this software built in) 22:28 nnn our earlier proprietary used high frequency tags and NCIP protocol and vendor said u will only need to buy middleware software which runs as a client on windows machine 22:29 nnn before accepting this option I wanted to confirm 22:31 rangi its really down to what the RFID vendors tags and hardware support 22:32 nnn ok