Time Nick Message 04:44 irma hi mtj 04:44 irma :-) 04:45 irma we spoke about you this morning at a meeting with a new staff member of the Catalyst IT Melbourne office 04:45 irma Donna Benjamin 04:46 irma We know Donna from many years ago she is a Drupal and OSS true and through person 04:46 mtj hiya irma 04:46 irma * I wave back 04:46 mtj worng channel? :0) 04:46 * mtj waves 05:02 * magnuse waves 05:11 * magnuse is an early bird, getting all the worms 05:11 dcook hehe 05:15 * liw gives magnuse a large bottle of ketchup 05:28 * magnuse enjoys the worms even more with ketchup 05:32 cait magnuse: you eat strange breakfast :) 05:33 magnuse whut? noooo... 05:35 dcook Proootein 06:00 magnuse @wunder boo 06:00 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on September 07, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). 06:00 magnuse s/Light Rain/Raining Cats and Dogs/ 06:10 drojf morning #koha 06:30 magnuse kia ora drojf and sophie_m 06:30 sophie_m hello magnuse :) 06:35 akawa morning #koha! 06:40 alex_a bonjour 06:40 wahanui kia ora, alex_a 06:47 reiveune hello 07:12 * cait waves 07:15 * magnuse yawns 07:26 fridolin hie 07:49 LibraryClaire morning #koha 07:49 drojf hi LibraryClaire 07:49 LibraryClaire hi drojf 07:53 Joubu wt* bug 14695 is pushed to master but still NSO?? 07:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron 07:54 Joubu @later tell khall 14695 is pushed to master but still NSO, is it expected? Moreover the atomicupdate file has not been removed 07:54 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 08:05 rangi whoa thats odd 08:10 drojf strange. maybe it was a typo? 08:11 rangi yeah looks like pushed wrong branch maybe, im sure he will sort it out 08:22 drojf later #koha 09:24 drojf hi again 09:50 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 09:50 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 21.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on September 07, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 09:50 drojf @seen marcelr 09:50 huginn drojf: marcelr was last seen in #koha 5 days, 1 hour, 45 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <marcelr> goedemorgen eythian 09:52 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 09:52 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City Airport, London, United Kingdom is 21.4°C (10:46 AM BST on September 07, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 09:55 magnuse wow, everyone still has summer temps 09:55 magnuse @wunder boo 09:55 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on September 07, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Rising). 09:59 drojf that is summer temp for norway i guess? 09:59 drojf we're supposed to get 26 today and 29 tomorrow 10:32 Joubu @later tell oleonard could you have a look at bug 17220 10:32 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 11:04 drojf @later tell marcelr why is the owner of an uploaded file part of the hash calculation? wouldn't we want a file to be detected as the same regardless of who uploads it? 11:04 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 11:08 cait bbl 11:10 magnuse drojf: there are summers where that might be considered a good temperature, but we have certainly seen higher this year 11:34 Joubu @later tell tcohen Letters.t and ES/Indexer.t are failing for master, 16.05 but pass for me 11:34 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 11:34 magnuse oops, don't call your instance "data" if you plan to run koha-dump-defaults on it... 11:37 drojf magnuse: what happened? 11:38 magnuse you get a lot of "-- Dumping __KOHASITE__ for table `zebraqueue`" 11:38 magnuse which i realise now is just a comment of course 11:39 magnuse but the problem is koha-dump-defaults replaces every occurence of the instance name 11:39 magnuse whether it is in the contents of a database table or whatever 11:40 drojf err. that sounds scary 11:40 magnuse e.g. 'Edit catalog (Modify bibliographic/holdings __KOHASITE__)' 11:40 magnuse yeah, not good 11:41 drojf to be honest, i did not even know that command exists 11:41 drojf i did it with a script when i needed it 11:41 magnuse hehe, probably not the most used script 11:42 drojf i will definitely have use for it 11:42 magnuse when i replace __KOHASITE__ with "data" it says there are 7235 occurences of __KOHASITE__ 11:42 magnuse i'll report the bug 11:42 drojf lol 11:45 drojf shouldn't that replace koha_data instead of just data? 11:45 drojf or koha-data 11:45 drojf *gets confused* 11:48 magnuse yeah, that should fix it, i think 11:48 drojf ok but then you must be the first person ever to use that script :D 11:49 Joubu khall: ping? 11:49 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658 11:50 drojf lol wahanui 11:50 drojf wahanui: botsnack cookie 11:50 wahanui thanks drojf :) 11:51 magnuse nah, if you use something more pregnant than data you'll never notice 11:51 magnuse oh, here is why the number is so high: <__KOHASITE__field> in biblioitems.marcxml 11:51 drojf like 'koha', which is probably the most used instance namen? ;) 11:52 drojf *name 11:52 drojf ah heh 11:52 magnuse that might create some interesting variants too, i guess 11:53 drojf looks like i can batch "upload" files now. yay! 11:54 oleonard Hi all 11:54 drojf hi oleonard 11:54 wahanui hi olé onard 11:54 magnuse bug 17265 11:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17265 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Make koha-create-defaults less greedy 11:56 * oleonard pictures a series of bugs for addressing koha-create-defaults and the rest of the 7 deadly sins 11:57 magnuse Make koha-create-defaults less slothful 11:57 magnuse slothy? 11:59 oleonard It doesn't come up much in conversation, but I think slothful sounds right. 11:59 drojf slothesque 11:59 oleonard slothish 11:59 kidclamp slothed-out? 11:59 kidclamp morning 12:32 tcohen bonjour 12:36 tcohen Joubu: I wasn't aware of 11921, at all! 12:37 LibraryClaire hi tcohen, oleopard, kidclamp 12:37 tcohen hi #koha 12:37 kidclamp hi LibraryClaire 12:42 magnuse bug 11921 12:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , memcached configuration should be moved back to koha-conf.xml 12:56 khall mornin all! 12:57 tcohen hi khall! 13:01 drojf @later tell marcelr if i delete the owner of a file, what are the consequences? 13:01 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 13:01 LibraryClaire hi khall 13:18 drojf @later tell marcelr i found 14849 regarding the second question 13:18 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 13:27 drojf bye #koha 14:31 oleonard The title of Bug 17264 represents the kind of bug reports I typically get from my staff. They're not good with subject lines. 14:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aruna.bukkaraju, RESOLVED FIXED, not 14:31 oleonard If we had an internal bug tracker all the bugs would be titled "Koha" 14:32 LibraryClaire :D 14:33 LibraryClaire all mine are URGENT! 14:38 Joubu khall: quick code review done on 14695 14:49 khall Joubu: thanks! I'll take a look! 15:44 kidclamp hah oleonard - just looked at the bug 15:47 CrispyBran I like bug 17264. It's simple and to the point. If only ALL bugs were that easy. 15:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aruna.bukkaraju, RESOLVED FIXED, not 15:56 ammo afternoon all 15:59 tcohen hi 16:16 ammo I was wondering if anyone ever tried importing serial issues in to Koha 16:17 ammo I got the process of importing biblios (with respective items), patrons and authorities all figured out and done 16:18 ammo However I still am finding trouble designing a way to actually import serial issues, haven't found any reliable way of doing it 16:19 ammo My problem is pretty much the same as Paul in http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Cataloguing-serials-td4264662.html where importing as items is not an option as it would overflow the number of items for a said serial 16:20 ammo also importing every issue as a record would overly populate the record index with irrelevant data 16:30 kidclamp ammo, so the issue is not enough room in an item record to store all of the info you want for each issue of a serial? 16:33 kidclamp the last email in that thread seems to be relevant - I was going to suggest analytical records 16:51 ammo hello kidclamp 16:51 ammo thank you for replying 16:52 ammo indeed that seems to me a plausible way of handling it 16:53 ammo I still need to take a closer look at the source data but take a newspaper for example, with periodicy of daily that has been active for the last 50 years 16:53 ammo its crazy the ammount of data it would ocupy in the overall catalog 16:55 kidclamp yeah, MARC doesn't really fit well with that level of detail it seems 16:59 oleonard Ugh, more Bugzilla spam. 18:20 tcohen later #koha 18:54 cait irc meeting is in an hour! 18:54 nuentoter so finally server is up and running, all my patrons, all my records, and all my circulation data is in. 18:54 cait congrats! 18:54 cait so next step is adding your library to the wiki? ;) 18:55 nuentoter i go to start cataloguing, no problem, my framework works well. then i got o print labels.......... and after printing the label, when scanned there is a raiming check letter at the end hmmmppphhhh 18:55 nuentoter We will be added to the wiki when things are officially online 18:58 cait raiming check letter? 19:00 nuentoter remaining lol 19:01 nuentoter im using glabels right now, and it works great, on the printed label it will say "*36214*" but when scanned it enters 36214K on the search line, which brings no book up 19:05 cait odd 19:06 CrispyBran_RefDesk nuentoter, could be a scanner issue. Our scanners come with a book that allow you to change the way it enters information. Perhaps the scanners need to be reconfigured. 19:06 CrispyBran_RefDesk nuentoter, what scanner do you use? 19:07 nuentoter hmmmm its our old one i pulled out of a filing cabinet lol, i'll find a manual online. its an "E-sky" is all it says on it 19:11 CrispyBran_RefDesk Hmmmm....I can find some "esky" scanners, but not "E-sky". Either way, not finding any manuals online so far. No model number? 19:16 nuentoter i found the manual in a different filing cabinet lol the manual is in english but not written by someone english speaking 19:16 nuentoter should be fun HAhaha 19:17 CrispyBran_RefDesk Good. Basically, if it programs by scanning barcodes, you want to find a setting that will make it scan with just the numbers expected and CR at the end (as if pressing enter). 19:26 magnuse kia ora andreashm 19:26 andreashm hi magnuse 19:27 andreashm whats up? 19:34 magnuse andreashm: not much, running out of battery soon 19:36 magnuse have fun #koha! 19:37 * cait waves 19:43 nuentoter_ ok so after trying out 2 other scanners, the check letter still remains. 19:44 andreashm hi cait 19:46 nuentoter_ question then, if i am exporting my list of newly catalogued books using a report, and then using glabels to print, what is creating the check letter at the end? is it koha or glabels? 19:49 nuentoter_ i missed a checkbox on glabels! i fixed it which makes me super librarian of the day right? 19:50 barton nuentoter_: at the very least it gets you some karma... 19:50 barton nuentoter++ 19:50 nuentoter_ lol ty 19:51 barton kidclamp: you're *the* bbiab? wow... 19:51 barton I didn't know that I was in the presence of greatness... 19:51 kidclamp hah 19:52 * kidclamp is the victim of too much excercise - not responsible for typos 19:52 phred If you want to be superlibrarian, you'll need a cape. 19:52 * cait still waits for hers 19:52 cait we should totally have not only koha onesies but capes too :) 19:53 cait brb for the meeting 19:53 phred (Just finished setting up fail2ban after looking at my log files. Feeling a bit loopy.) 19:53 * barton ponders the idea of having the superlibrarian check-box play the "Mighty Mouse Will Save The Day" theme-song when clicked. 19:53 phred Or when a superlibrarian logs in. I like it!! 19:54 barton phred: I think that plays pink flloyd's 'Welcome to the machine'. 19:56 * barton /names 19:56 phred I used to have my lab computers configured to say "I have seen this kind of thing happen before, and it has always been due to human error" when Windows crashed. Very few people got the joke. 19:56 barton woops 19:58 rangi morning 19:59 barton g'day rangi! 20:00 cait ok people :) 20:00 cait time to have a meeting! 20:00 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 September 2016 20:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Sep 7 20:00:45 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_september_2016' 20:00 cait #topic Introductions 20:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 20:01 cait please introduce yourself with #info following wahanui's example! 20:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 20:01 barton #info Barton Chittenden, bywater, Lousiville KY, US. 20:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 20:01 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst, Wellington NZ 20:01 phred #info Fred King, Washington, DC (and Koha-US member-at-large) 20:01 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions Portland Oregon 20:03 cait moving on? 20:03 cait #topic Announcements 20:03 cait ah 20:03 cait more people arriving 20:04 cait please feel free to #info yourself 20:04 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx 20:04 cait bag: any announcements? 20:04 bag no announcements 20:04 tubaclarinet #info Christopher Davis, Uintah County Library (U.S.A.) 20:05 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, half asleep 20:05 cait #info apologies from oleonard 20:05 cait anyone else any announcements? 20:05 cait ok, moving on! 20:05 cait #topic Update on releases 20:06 cait i see bag, any RMaints present? 20:06 cait rangi? 20:06 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 20:06 cait bag? 20:06 rangi yep 20:06 rangi business as usual 20:07 rangi for 3.20.x I am only doing major/criticals (or really annoying bugs) and security fixes now 20:08 cait #info 3.20.x - only major/criticals (or really annoying bugs) and security fixes now 20:08 cait thx 20:08 cait bag anything on 16.11? 20:08 bag not at the moment 20:09 cait ok, moving on 20:09 cait #topic GBSD 20:09 cait in case you haven't heard yet, we have a GBSD scheduled for 9 September 20:09 cait please participate - every little bit helps 20:10 cait I am trying to collect some 'action items' on the wiki page 20:10 cait if you have any ideas, please tell me or add them there directly 20:10 schnydszch_ #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines 20:10 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2016-09-09_Global_bug_squashing_day 20:11 barton can someone remind me how to tag something as an 'easy to test' bug is in bugzilla? 20:11 cait i think kidclamp wanted to work out a concept for new keywords :) 20:11 cait we talked about it at the last dev meeting 20:11 cait I think we could possibly use Academy right now 20:11 cait rangi? 20:11 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 20:11 rangi yeah you can 20:12 cait rangi: when is the next Academy, not too soon? 20:13 BobB I think its January, cait 20:13 cait ok, so hopefully not interfering until we have a new keyword 20:14 cait ok, moving on? 20:14 cait #topic KohaCon17 20:14 rangi this one is for schnydszch_ :) 20:14 cait #info KohaCon17 goes to... Philippines! (already announced on the mailing list) 20:14 osjerwyn hello 20:14 cait and osjerwyn 20:14 osjerwyn Jerwyn Fernandez Philippimes 20:15 osjerwyn just woke up 20:15 BobB I know :) 20:15 cait any update on kohacon17? :) 20:15 osjerwyn yes! 20:16 osjerwyn did schnydszch mentioned something already? 20:16 rangi nope 20:17 cait it looks a bit like he maybe has problems with connection 20:17 phred Has anyone tried to do a live webcast from KohaCon? Could it happen this time? 20:17 osjerwyn I'll jusr eco what we discussed 20:17 osjerwyn We are asking this early the koha community to register in a google form the group will be creating if they have plans of attending KohaCon 2017 in the Philippines. Even if you are only 1% sure, please register in the form so that the group will know (there will be a field on the percentage of how sure an attendee will be attending). Since we will be limiting it to 300 (local and international), it’s important that those who have plans register 20:17 rangi phred: it happened in greece 20:18 drojf phred: err the whole kohacon this year was streamed 20:18 osjerwyn The organizing committee this early wants to inform the Koha Community that we will have a minimal registration fee because if we make it free, local participants may take the opportunity and that the conference might exceed the 300 limit - we’re thinking of maximum of 100$. 20:18 drojf oh too late 20:18 rangi :) 20:18 osjerwyn There are also other factors that we foresee it might hit the 300 limit like there are local participants even though it’s already indicated in the website and Facebook page that the conference does not accept walk-ins, there are still who does not follow. 20:18 osjerwyn This is the reason why this early we are asking the international Koha community to register in the Google Form because the organizing committee has decided to make the first 100 registrants to not pay for registration fee. 20:19 rangi what are the dates? 20:19 wahanui the dates are in format yyyy-mm-dd 20:19 rangi i dont think anyone can register without set dates 20:19 osjerwyn oh 20:19 osjerwyn wait 20:19 osjerwyn i have the dates! 20:19 nuentoter_ #info Justin Martin Abel J. Morneault Memorial Library, Van Buren, Me, USA 20:20 drojf why do you not want locals to participate? or maybe i misunderstand 20:21 osjerwyn wait a sec June 5-9 or June 12-16 I look for my notes 20:21 cait the kohacon has traditionally been a free event - i think 100 might be a lot to some 20:22 thd drojf: My charitable understanding is they do not want to be in a position to have no room to accommodate people travelling from far away. 20:22 cait also handling such a registration fee internationally might get hard 20:22 BobB an alternative would be to reserve a fixed # of places for overseas participants, say 50 20:22 rangi it would also be very unlikely you would get 100 people not from the Phillippines 20:22 rangi 50 seems much more realistic like BobB said 20:22 cait and maybe have a deadline... and then fill it up with local people? 20:22 rangi *nod* 20:23 rangi reserved spaces is a good idea 20:23 schnydszch #info Eugene Espinoza 20:23 nuentoter_ cait: that sounds like a much better idea 20:23 BobB and if unused you could release them to locals near the date 20:23 cait yep, BobB phrased it better 20:23 osjerwyn Eugene! 20:23 BobB oops, sorry, cait 20:23 schnydszch Juat wike up and cannot startul laptop properly without waking up the family 20:23 osjerwyn what is the date? 20:23 wahanui the date is circled ;) 20:23 osjerwyn June 5-9 or June 12-16 20:24 cait BobB: no, thx! :) 20:24 thd osjerwyn: Any idea which solves the issue of places for people from far away without needing to charge anyone a fee would be much better than a fee. 20:24 schnydszch I'm onnmy phone, on my bed. Well ajerwyn is there 20:25 nuentoter_ what would the fee be paying for? 20:25 osjerwyn actually thats for the food 20:26 schnydszch That's the plan not charging up on foreign participants hence the d3cember deadline to register. 20:26 cait do you plan on providing lunch with the conf? 20:26 osjerwyn yes 20:26 schnydszch The museum so far is actually not free 20:26 cait of course 20:26 schnydszch The location is not free so far 20:27 drojf the proposal clearly said no fee. otherwise it may have been rejected. i have concerns about it to be honest 20:27 rangi yep, normally sponsorship is sought to cover costs 20:27 cait maybe it would be good to get a call to sponsors out early 20:27 osjerwyn we are thinking lunch and snacks what di usually prefer? 20:27 drojf what rangi and cait say 20:27 schnydszch And yeah we are calling sponsors as of this momebt, formal letters to follow 20:28 nuentoter_ Yes, you cannot move forward in any financial respect, if you do not know what your costs will be. You do not know the costs until sponsors line up and sign something 20:28 thd osjerwyn: Have efforts been taken to find sponsors even sponsors unrelated to Koha who might help defray costs. 20:28 osjerwyn yes we will! 20:29 schnydszch As you can see we have partnered with a local organization since we are only volunteers in order to have some legal entity to ask for sponsorship 20:29 cait i think it might be early for registrations - call for sponsors, call for papers... and thing smight line up financially before you ask for registrations 20:29 osjerwyn it just so happen last month that we won the bid 20:29 BobB in my opinion any fee should be absolutely minimised, so as not to exclude local participants in particular 20:30 BobB seek sponsorship first 20:30 thd osjerwyn: Just so it should be premature to assume undefrayed expenses. 20:30 rangi i agree with BobB 20:30 osjerwyn we are working on with the sponsors currently 20:31 osjerwyn do kohacon has international sponsors from the past? like EBSCO? 20:31 cait osjerwyn: yes 20:31 osjerwyn could someone give me a list it could help 20:31 cait let me find the link from last year 20:32 thd osjerwyn: Yes, local and international sponsors have supported past Kohacons even with no connection to Koha at least for the local ones. 20:32 cait http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=462 20:32 cait the kohacon websites usually list them somewhere, this is from Greece 20:32 osjerwyn alright got it! 20:32 schnydszch By the way jerwyn will set up the website :) so call for sponsors and papers are taken into account 20:32 cait it's been a mix of koha support providers, library suppliers and local businesses i think 20:33 osjerwyn cait copy that 20:33 BobB definitely ask EBSCO 20:33 osjerwyn this would help 20:33 BobB and after KohaUS, I would ask Bibliotecha too 20:33 osjerwyn another thing with the food. what is usually the set up? 20:34 osjerwyn lunch and snacks? what do you prefer? 20:34 CrispyBran #info 20:34 cait osjerwyn: i tihnk greece has been the first with lunch provided 20:34 rangi osjerwyn: normally there is only snacks 20:34 cait yep 20:35 rangi usually people eat at local restaurants etc 20:35 osjerwyn maybe we could remove the lunch so we could cut of the budget? 20:35 rangi so that is an option, if you dont get sponsorshipt for lunches ... people can get their own 20:35 rangi yeah 20:35 cait it's also ok to ask people to pay for the day activity between conf and hackfest usually i think 20:35 rangi what i would do, is aim for it, but if you dont get enough to cover it 20:36 osjerwyn #rangi got it 20:36 BobB esp if there are cafes and restaurants near the venue 20:36 rangi yes that is right, the cultural day between often has some costs 20:36 schnydszch Noted on cait and rangi. I've been to many local conferences, there's always lunch but there's registration fee. The group will concur on this. 20:36 osjerwyn yes lots of cafes and restaurants 20:36 rangi excellent, i prefer that too 20:37 rangi that way we give back to the local community a little 20:37 cait it might be easier if possible for people to pay food/excursion when there 20:37 cait then in advance 20:37 rangi by spending money in their cafes 20:37 schnydszch there's even a so-called Museum Cafe nearby 20:37 cait good thought rangi :) 20:38 rangi exciting :) 20:38 nuentoter_ ok so you guys make software thats used in libraries, why dont you cater to those markets for sponsors. with libraries popping up maker spaces across the country (usa) places like instructables.com might be a possible venue 20:38 nuentoter_ also twitch.tv 20:39 osjerwyn schnydszch can you please confirm the date 20:39 schnydszch those are are taken into account cait rangi, the group will concur. But we encourage everyone to fill up the google form once it's up. We will post it in koha mailing list. 20:39 schnydszch June 13-17 20:39 cait schnydszch: is there a rough schedule? 20:40 cait hackfest, conf, fun day? :) 20:40 BobB how many conference days, fun day, how many hackfest days? 20:40 schnydszch Nuentoter, that's noted. By the way tbe president of the organization we have tied up with is a staff of the US embassy. So those coming from the US and ne3ds assistance probably we can ask him 20:40 cait :) 20:41 osjerwyn schnydszch is it June 12-16 Monday - Friday? 20:41 schnydszch Cait: same formats as before 3 days conf. 2 days hackfest 20:41 schnydszch Jerwyn 13 is tuesday 16 is saturday 20:42 schnydszch Third day musem tour 20:42 schnydszch Third day half day museum tour 20:42 osjerwyn alright just for the record 20:43 cait osjerwyn: so 2.5 days conf, half a day museum tour, 2 days hackfest? :) 20:43 cait just trying to get it right 20:44 schnydszch Yes cait 20:44 cait is hte hackfest also at the museum or at another location? 20:44 osjerwyn same location 20:45 BobB the main requirement for hackfest is lots of broadband, reliable broadband 20:46 osjerwyn BobB we are aware of that 20:46 drojf or a usb stick with master ;) 20:46 osjerwyn good thing Philippines started with the Fibr 20:46 BobB ahead of us :) 20:47 schnydszch we are aware of that. We are in the central business district and filipinas heritage library can provide that and another sponsor we've informally talked to 20:47 cait cool 20:48 cait sounds like you got things under control :) 20:48 osjerwyn can some disclose to us how much EBSCO usually give for sponsorship? 20:48 osjerwyn just rough estimate 20:49 cait i don't know, you might want to email the last organizers 20:49 BobB i have no idea 20:49 BobB good idea cait 20:49 thd osjerwyn: You should also not necessarily presume that they have a usual amount. 20:49 cait that's probably true 20:49 cait hm 20:49 schnydszch .we will try and check calling cards :) 20:49 cait but 20:49 cait for the last kohacon they had levels of sponsorship 20:50 cait and ebsco and others are listed kohappiest 20:50 osjerwyn alright thanks for the info! :) 20:50 drojf but ebsco has folio now. i would not just assume they are going to sponsor 20:51 drojf talk to them. early 20:51 osjerwyn I started to hear more about folio what is it? 20:52 phred See www.folio.org 20:52 drojf not really a meeting topic 20:52 thd osjerwyn: Different levels of sponsorship may sometimes have different size of notices, placement order or something, or may only be distinguished by the level contributing. 20:52 cait i think it's hard to explain right now - at least for me 20:52 rangi i would also be cautious about strings with their sponsorship, i really dont think a talk about folio is appropriate at a kohacon 20:52 rangi theyve done one, that's enough 20:54 cait i thnk best is not to focus on EBSCO too much but look for sponsorhip in general - and yeah, look out for strings attached 20:54 jrm_ have any of you guys looked into twitch as a sponsor? they have a creative channel on there that includes all kinds of web and game developers, coders and script kids streaming them just coding. They could possibly be looked at for the streaming the even t 20:55 schnydszch jrm: we take note of that 20:55 osjerwyn cait got it 20:56 BobB I'd also be cautious about becoming dependant on anyone who sells closed source software or locks up content 20:56 drojf for 2.5 days of conference sponsored talk slots should probably avoided 20:57 drojf (and in general :P ) 20:57 BobB i think i've come the circle there :) 20:58 rangi :) 20:58 CrispyBran Maybe TalkingTech, LibraryThing, ???? 20:58 rangi more proprietary? 20:58 rangi pass :) 20:58 cait is there anything more or should we move on? :) 20:58 drojf maybe we skip the fundraising part for now? 20:59 phred Does Canonical ever sponsor conferences? 20:59 drojf move on 20:59 cait thx for hte update schnydszch and osjerwyn! 20:59 cait #info Please check logs - tons of information about Kohacon16 there. 20:59 cait #topic KohaCon18 21:00 cait when should we open bidding officially for the next conference? 21:00 BobB err, 17? 21:00 schnydszch Yewh we move on and we encourage the koha community with inkling of attending kohacon20q7 in the philippines to register early once the google form is up 21:00 rangi yeah we could have a conference meeting :) 21:00 BobB no, you are right, we just dealt with 17, eh 21:00 cait schnydszch: noted :) 21:01 cait shoudl we just open it? 21:01 cait i think Europe is still out 21:01 cait so we got no valid bid atm 21:02 drojf con: bid might be invalid until we vote. pro: people can start thinking about it 21:02 cait shoudl we have a quick vote or postpone to another meeting? 21:02 thd We do not have a wiki page yet for KohaCon 18 21:02 thd Still seems early to me 21:03 cait ok 21:03 cait so let's postpone 21:03 cait #info Decision about opening Kohacon18 bid postponed to next meeting 21:03 cait #topic Actions from last meeting 21:04 cait #info no actions from last meeting 21:04 cait #topic Date for next meeting 21:04 cait hm the normal date would be...5 october 21:05 thd 5 Oct 10 UTC? 21:05 osjerwyn what is the time now in UTC? 21:05 cait hm would work for europe 21:05 cait osjerwyn: try googling 10 utc (it's what i do :) ) 21:06 cait we started 20 utc, so should be 21 now 21:06 jrm_ kohacon 17 was opened to bids in november 15, not a stretch from now for 18 21:06 thd osjerwyn: It is now a little after 21 UTC. The meeting started at 20 UTC. 21:07 BobB https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html 21:07 osjerwyn cait: thanks! 21:07 thd jrm_ Probably more attention to announcements in October and November than early September. 21:07 cait no vetos 21:07 osjerwyn 21 UTC is good for me 21:08 cait osjerwyn: we usually try to shift it around 21:08 osjerwyn got it 21:08 cait #agreed Next meeting will be 5 October, 10 UTC 21:08 cait #endmeeting 21:08 huginn Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 21:08:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 21:08 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_7_september_2016.2016-09-07-20.00.html 21:08 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_7_september_2016.2016-09-07-20.00.txt 21:08 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_7_september_2016.2016-09-07-20.00.log.html 21:09 cait thx everyone for attending! 21:09 BobB thanks cait! 21:09 tcohen hi 21:09 cait tcohen: your timing is off :) 21:09 jrm_ lol 21:10 jrm_ hmmm i dont know why nuentoter hasnt timed out yet, i accidentally closed that browser half an hour ago or so 21:10 BobB osjerwyn, schnydszch I hope the political situation in your country does not deterioate 21:10 drojf cait++ 21:10 osjerwyn BobB: not really 21:10 drojf good night #koha 21:10 BobB we hear of extra judicial killings etc 21:11 BobB one potential kohacon attendee has already mentioned it to me 21:11 schnydszch BobB only drug users 21:11 schnydszch A 21:11 BobB drug users have human rights, don't they? 21:11 osjerwyn BobB: Philippine is in good shape now, and best is yet to come. except for the druglords 21:11 schnydszch that's taken care of, media just hyping it up 21:12 BobB well, we'll see 21:12 osjerwyn thats wrong news! 21:12 osjerwyn believe us 21:12 jrm_ everyone has human rights, the problem is in others abilities or willingness to respect them 21:12 tcohen cait: my timing? 21:12 tcohen meeting! 21:12 wahanui somebody said meeting was in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then 21:12 jrm_ tcohen you came in just as the meeting ended 21:12 tcohen ah! 21:13 cait tcohen: yep meeting ;) 21:13 schnydszch media oversensationalize and onlg drug lords are taken care of. The president is very much taking his part of eradicating drugs in the Philippines 21:13 osjerwyn only connected with drug are dying. not by rape, rob, 21:13 tcohen :-( 21:13 jrm_ we decided everybody that uses koha gets a pack of girlscout cookies of their choice mailed to them 21:14 mik_ I use koha a lot 21:14 osjerwyn jrm: for free? hehe 21:14 jrm_ i said nothing of finances, i thought thats what we were talking about sponsors for 21:14 osjerwyn ohhhhh 21:15 mik_ Oh so there's a rub in it. As usual :-( 21:18 nuentoter jrm shush your cookie talk 21:19 wizzyrea O.o 21:20 wizzyrea sorry cookie talk is always allowed here 21:20 thd cait: What do you know or suspect about the relationship between OLE code and Folio code? 21:22 tcohen thd, they are not related 21:22 rangi or are they 21:23 drojf i'd say they are 21:23 rangi theres at least 4 different stories floating around 21:23 rangi and I would agree with drojf 21:23 rangi http://dev.folio.org/ 21:23 drojf but i wanted to go to bed. i'll let you decide :) 21:23 tcohen i've met EBSCO representatives in july, and they told it was a fresh development from indexdata 21:23 drojf good night o/ 21:24 rangi yes thats what they said then 21:24 tcohen bye! 21:24 rangi thats not what they told the OLE people 21:24 rangi it looks to me like it will be OLE, but instead of the kuali back end stuff 21:24 rangi it will be using this Okapi thing they have built 21:24 rangi https://github.com/folio-org/okapi 21:25 tcohen indexdata was supposed to implement the 'backbone' (that's what they called it) 21:25 tcohen and some 'reference modules' 21:25 rangi yeah 21:25 rangi the least important bits ;-) 21:25 tcohen hehe 21:25 rangi but that was back when it was going to be a platform 21:25 tcohen that's where community comes in 21:25 rangi now its fairly clear its just an ils 21:26 tcohen they want open source communities to build their own modules 21:26 tcohen and so propietary 21:26 rangi i think you are listening to what they are marketing 21:26 rangi not watching what they are doing :) 21:26 tcohen that's 100% true, as I haven't seen the code 21:28 cait there is a gui mock-up online 21:29 thd cait: The GUI mock-up did not seem to be other than a set of screen shots to me but maybe I missed something. 21:29 cait thd: yeah, mock up - fake still :) 21:29 cait but it looks like it has ils features 21:29 bag YAils 21:30 rangi there are some modules 21:30 rangi https://github.com/folio-org/mod-acquisitions-postgres 21:30 cait bag? 21:30 bag boring 21:30 rangi https://github.com/folio-org/mod-circulation 21:30 bag yet another ils 21:30 rangi etc 21:30 rangi yeah 21:30 bag sort of like YAML cait 21:30 cait ah i see 21:31 rangi i mean ill keep an eye on it, but it is pretty meh at the moment 21:32 thd Is EBSCO seem to be trying to obtain something which they can control or do the not understand how successful FOSS projects are founded? 21:33 nuentoter i would bet they very well know how FOSS projects work and are probably taking advantage of that. 21:33 wizzyrea I wouldn't bet that. 21:34 wizzyrea I would bet that they *think* they know 21:34 * nuentoter corrected 21:34 nuentoter true 21:36 rangi *nod* 21:38 thd The supposed initial idea of mix and match library system modules with a commonly agreed API has never caught on and its absence has been disappointing. 21:39 thd However, if one company is developing the API it is never going to be a 'community' API standard. 21:40 thd I also understand better now that any API on which everyone could agree would never be sufficient for what people really need in a library management system. 21:44 thd I note AGPL being killed again https://github.com/folio-org/mod-metadata/commits/master/LICENSE . 21:51 rangi its snowing 21:51 rangi this is broken 22:19 tcohen rangi: in wellington?? 22:22 rangi yeah 23:08 Francesca @wunder wlg 23:08 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on September 08, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 23:39 lisette Does anyone know how I could print an invoice from the patron account screen that includes the barcode of an item that is being paid for, but looks similar to the invoice that prints currently? 23:45 BobB hi chrisvella__ 23:49 tcohen is 'persistence' the right name for a DB config section? 23:49 tcohen persistence: { database: mysql, name: blah, user: bleh, ... } 23:51 rangi storage? 23:52 rangi lisette: i dont think you can without some dev work, it;d have to be a pdf i think, or at least the barcode would have to be an image 23:57 lisette @rangi, thanks I think we figured out how to get the info we need by putting it into the description of charges. 23:57 huginn lisette: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 23:57 rangi cool, or you meant just the numbers/letters? not the actual barcode? 23:58 lisette yeah, just the numbers/letters so we could have the title, barcode,and outstanding amount all together. Sometimes the simplest answer gets glossed over.