Time  Nick            Message
23:30 * dcook         is impressed by how committed eythian is to museum visits
23:30 dcook           scrollback
23:30 dcook           hehe
22:16 cait1           heh
22:01 eythian         wizzyrea: amusingly, the erotic museum was far and away the most read of all the museum posts, and everyone looked at the larger pictures.
21:56 eythian         I think so 🙂
21:54 wizzyrea        all good reasons to skip
21:48 eythian         And a couple that were transferred elsewhere that I'll get to later
21:48 eythian         And one that's not really a museum at all, just an exhibition place
21:47 eythian         I've skipped one that is open by appointment on Mondays between 1 and 3 (or something.)
21:46 eythian         Yeah, that's the idea
21:46 wizzyrea        have you skipped any?
21:46 wizzyrea        but it's fun anyway
21:46 wizzyrea        >.>
21:46 wizzyrea        i mean, alphabetical kind of enforces that.
21:46 wizzyrea        I like how equal opportunity you are in your museum visiting
21:45 wizzyrea        heheheh!
21:45 eythian         It's near work.
21:45 eythian         Tassenmuseum
21:45 wizzyrea        in amsterdam
21:45 eythian         Ug
21:45 * wizzyrea      just realised there's a "museum of bags and purses"
21:44 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 24.7°C (11:39 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
21:44 eythian         @wunder ams
21:44 eythian         I looked up the fashion museum a while ago, but found it might not exist. Need to look more.
21:44 wizzyrea        ooo
21:44 eythian         wizzyrea: either the fashion museum (if I can find it), or the film museum probably.
21:42 * cait1         waves :)
21:41 wahanui         o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:41 wizzyrea        confetti?
21:40 wizzyrea        hi cait1
21:40 huginn          cait1: The current temperature in Luisenstraße, Konstanz, Germany is 21.7°C (11:37 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
21:40 cait1           @wunder konstanz
21:40 tcohen          hi wizzyrea eythian
21:39 wizzyrea        what's the next museum on the list eythian
21:39 wizzyrea        hi tcohen
21:39 tcohen          hi
21:33 eythian         Yep🙂
21:33 wizzyrea        I suspect the mental states of visitors to amsterdam probably are compatible with it, generally. Lol.
21:33 eythian         It's awesome
21:32 wizzyrea        yeah I did! I am impressed that such a museum exists
21:32 eythian         You saw my last museum post I take it? That was a fun one.
21:31 eythian         This contributed to leaving early today though
21:30 wizzyrea        well opposites count too
21:30 eythian         Which wasn't what you asked 🙂
21:30 wizzyrea        ugh seriously
21:30 eythian         Had a big project that I had to have done by about today, then heard this afternoon it's being delayed by a few weeks. That was unfun.
21:29 wizzyrea        have you had anything especially fun to do at work lately?
21:28 eythian         Well, soon it's sleep time, so I'd rather cooler.
21:28 wizzyrea        oh that's not terrible
21:27 eythian         Yeah that's be nice. Down to 24 now.
21:26 eythian         Tomorrow will be too apparently.
21:26 wizzyrea        nvm I take it back. I want it to be ~22 and sit outside and have beers.
21:26 eythian         Yep
21:26 wizzyrea        that's way too hot.
21:26 eythian         Like, 31° hot.
21:26 wizzyrea        I want to go to there.
21:25 eythian         It was very hot today so I sat outside and had some beers.
21:25 wizzyrea        hi eythian what ya been up to?
21:25 wahanui         hmmm... eythian is Time's Person of the Year for 2006.
21:25 rangi           hey eythian
21:24 wizzyrea        maybe slightly less true than it used to be but still mostly true
21:24 wizzyrea        still true
21:23 wahanui         it has been said that wizzyrea is so dumb at rewrite rules
21:23 eythian         hey, wizzyrea
21:21 wahanui         hey, wizzyrea
21:21 wizzyrea        hi
20:56 cait1           :)
20:56 * LibraryClaire waves
20:56 kidclamp        hiya cait1
20:55 cait1           morning liw, kidclamp and rangi
20:31 liw             hi, rangi
20:30 rangi           morning
18:59 phred_          (looks up iframe) Easier than I thought. It just might work.
18:53 phred_          Hmmmm. Thanks. Now you've given me something else to look up. <g>
18:52 oleonard        phred_: I think the only way that would be possible would be with <iframe>
18:51 phred_          Not sure if this is strange, obvious, or impossible: On the OPAC admin config page, there are blocks on the left, center, and right that you can fill with HTML. (all right, that's obvious) Can I have Koha display files that are on a different server?--i.e., instead of putting the contents of foo.html put in a command that tells Koha to go out and fetch the file from server Z and display its contents in html?
18:30 phred_          You mean DC has better weather than you do right now? Shocking!
18:30 oleonard        Someone went back in time and stepped on the wrong insect.
18:29 huginn          oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 28.8°C (2:29 PM EDT on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
18:29 oleonard        The space-time continuum has been altered and my zip code no longer exists. Now I regret all those mortgage payments.
18:29 kidclamp        What about by name?
18:28 phred_          just what kind of weather are you having there that's so confidential? Wait a minute--you pobably can't tell us, can you?
18:27 oleonard        Oh no my zip code is gone
18:27 oleonard        @wunder 45701
18:27 huginn          phred_: The current temperature in heliosmonroe, Washington, District of Columbia is 29.8°C (2:27 PM EDT on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
18:26 phred_          @wunder 20010
18:24 oleonard        I broke the weather.
18:24 huginn          oleonard: Error: timed out
18:24 oleonard        @wunder 45701
18:20 huginn          druthb: The current temperature in Montrose, Houston, Texas is 35.0°C (1:06 PM CDT on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
18:20 druthb          @wunder 77098
17:13 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Chilworth, Chilworth, United Kingdom is 28.7°C (6:13 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
17:13 LibraryClaire   @wunder Guildford, uk
17:12 huginn          liw: The current temperature in Manchester, United Kingdom is 20.0°C (5:50 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
17:12 liw             @wunder manchester, uk
17:12 huginn          liw: Error: No such location could be found.
17:12 liw             @wunder manchester
16:55 LibraryClaire   hi #koha
16:27 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14390: [Follow-up] Only update FU record in UpdateFine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa48df281d68fe1d27cc6fb10b41e4504a70afb9> / Bug 14390: [QA Follow-up] UpdateFine should be passed a hash <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fa4b8a30649381523fec729b0ee5d40f896155b> / Bug 14390 [QA Followup] - Fix warning <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a
15:44 eythian         Too hot
15:24 morgane         à demain
15:23 reiveune        bye
15:02 cait            so that it gets copied over when you use the plugin? because it's not possible to change $a in the cataloguing editor
15:01 cait            if you use authorities - would you put the isbd punctuation into the authority itself?
15:01 cait            isbd punctuation and authorities
15:01 cait            hm ok i got a question - not sure someone has an answer
14:58 marcelr         htg
14:56 marcelr         not the only one
14:56 marcelr         just an inside fork
14:55 kidclamp        rabbit holes
14:55 kidclamp        heh, it is wierd that xslt doesn't seem to have the 'lists that include this' that would be a neat enough addition - it also only lists public lists, not user's private lists
14:54 marcelr         but now i will not anymore :)
14:54 kidclamp        no worries
14:53 cait            i am not sure how nice the unimarc one is - i think a lot of libraries seem to use custom ones
14:53 marcelr         kidclamp++ just forgot you
14:53 kidclamp        (cause you beat me to sign off)
14:53 kidclamp        done marcelr
14:53 cait            aroussos: there are xslt views for all supported marc flavours
14:52 aroussos        I thought the XSLT system preferences were only for MARC21 setups? (we are using UNIMARC)
14:51 marcelr         Joubu or cait will do a fast qa ?
14:51 marcelr         :)
14:51 aroussos        thanks for the sign-off, marcelr
14:46 marcelr         non-xlst will be deprecated one day ..
14:46 marcelr         you should actually better use xslt
14:45 marcelr         ok aroussos
14:40 aroussos        marcelr: thanks
14:39 aroussos        hi marcelr, kidclamp
14:39 marcelr         if you are ready, change status to Needs Signoff
14:39 kidclamp        aroussos++
14:39 marcelr         aroussos++ welcome
14:38 huginn          04Bug 17185: trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Staff client shows "Lists that include this title:" even if item is not in a list
14:38 aroussos        so, I submitted my first bug report today (https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17185)
14:38 * kidclamp      waves
14:37 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 30.9°C (4:32 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
14:37 eythian         @wunder ams
14:36 drojf           later #koha
14:36 aroussos        hi all
14:31 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 31.0°C (3:20 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
14:31 LibraryClaire   @wunder LCY
14:30 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 28.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
14:30 drojf           @wunder berlin, germany
14:23 huginn          marcelr: The operation succeeded.
14:23 marcelr         @later tell tcohen any thoughts about bug 17159
14:18 mveron          daag marcelr
14:18 marcelr         thx for the ice
14:17 LibraryClaire   :D
14:17 marcelr         hi mveron
14:17 * mveron        sends some ice cream
14:17 LibraryClaire   I blame the heat
14:16 mveron          Now it does...
14:16 LibraryClaire   it shows signed off for me?
14:15 wahanui         is Godot coming?
14:15 LibraryClaire   wait what?
14:15 LibraryClaire   orly
14:15 mveron          :-)
14:14 mveron          ...and hi .-)
14:14 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Signed Off , Koha News 'delete selected' function doesn't check if anything has been selected
14:14 mveron          LibraryClaire: It seems that you signed off Bug 17183, but you did not switch the status :-)
14:14 LibraryClaire   hi mveron
14:13 huginn          mveron: The current temperature in Holderweg, Binningen, Switzerland is 28.4°C (4:03 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
14:13 mveron          @wunder Allschwil
14:13 mveron-away     Hi #koha
13:47 druthb          Indeed.  One of the greats.
13:47 phred_          I miss Molly Ivins. Some of the joy went out of Texas when she died.
13:47 druthb          Houston's 11.5-month motorcycling season is a nice feature.. we get ice about once every two years, hurricanes about every 5-8 years.  :)
13:45 druthb          Austin is pretty chill; I've had no major trouble when I've been there.  West of that, though, is a No-go zone for this girl.
13:44 phred_          Don't forget Austin!
13:44 druthb          Houston is *marginally* better than the rest of the state in that respect, though...well, you've seen my Facebook feed.
13:44 druthb          If I hadn't landed a job at cPanel, I would not be here.  Not because of the heat, but because it's Redneckistan in so many ways.
13:43 druthb          *snort*
13:39 oleonard        You gotta think that lots of people in Texas must have really good reasons for living in Texas other than the because it is Texas.
13:31 druthb          Expected high today around 37 or 38, high humidity, chance of a popup shower this afternoon.  Welcome to the tropics.
13:28 LibraryClaire   aw, I just looked at the time in Marseille and thought it was later than it was. How disappointing.
13:28 druthb          'bout right.  Nice and soupy
13:28 huginn          druthb: The current temperature in Montrose, Houston, Texas is 29.5°C (8:21 AM CDT on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
13:28 druthb          @wunder 77098
13:27 oleonard        Ouch
13:23 huginn          sophie_m: The current temperature in Lotissement le Pitalugue, Vitrolles, France is 32.5°C (3:15 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
13:23 sophie_m        @wunder Marseille
13:22 cait            ... bearable here
13:22 huginn          cait: The current temperature in LuisenstraÃ&#376;e, Konstanz, Germany is 27.4°C (3:12 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
13:22 cait            @wunder Konstanz
13:19 eythian         I should buy a fan tomorrow.
13:19 LibraryClaire   I don't blame it
13:19 LibraryClaire   my brain just melted out my ear and ran away
13:19 LibraryClaire   lovely
13:19 eythian         it's apparently 26 in my apartment at the moment :/
13:18 drojf           you should grow stuff
13:18 LibraryClaire   our office is always about 5 degrees hotter, it's like a greenhouse in the afternoon
13:18 drojf           i win
13:17 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 30.0°C (1:50 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
13:17 LibraryClaire   @wunder LCY
13:17 eythian         wonder if I can sneak out of work early today.
13:16 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 29.3°C (3:02 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
13:16 eythian         @wunder ams
13:16 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 27.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
13:16 drojf           @wunder berlin, germany
13:12 * LibraryClaire melts
12:57 marcelr         programming is somewhat addictive
12:56 marcelr         hmm
12:56 cait            if you like that kind of fun...
12:56 cait            yeah
12:56 marcelr         holds or fines always fun
12:56 marcelr         some reports..
12:55 cait            marcelr: thx
12:28 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14390 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Fine not updated from 'FU' to 'F' on renewal
12:28 marcelr         cait khall: bug 14390 is in the RM queue
12:24 cait            i think he is right - there is a different clean up to be done
12:24 cait            ah jacek just added another comment
12:22 cait            oleonard: we will need you next time i think - gulp???
12:21 cait            i think jacek's cases might be caused by something else then - not good, but yep
12:17 marcelr         khall and cait: What about moving a dbrev to a new report and test it on its own now? The code change could go in
12:17 oleonard        :P
12:17 oleonard        Ah, so it will be React that finally gets gulp onto the table as a build tool. :|
12:14 * oleonard      was not so dedicated
12:13 oleonard        Thanks to those in my time zone who dragged themselves out of bed for the dev meeting today
12:04 huginn          LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 29.0°C (12:50 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
12:04 LibraryClaire   @wunder LCY
11:56 marcelr         the bug itself does not create two recs
11:56 marcelr         i think it is just hypothetical
11:56 marcelr         yeah cait i do not understand your problem about two FU recs
11:55 cait            marcelr: around now, you too?
11:52 marcelr         hi oleonard
11:47 drojf           olé onard!
11:46 oleonard        Hi all
11:46 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15023: (followup) Remove warnings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d44732bacd87fb304990b91d06786eda82b46cba> / Bug 15023: Allow patron anonymize/bulk delete tool to be limited by branch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38c461f258292adb6199f2b0f261ecc3280b6aa5>
11:44 marcelr         thx for feedback
11:44 marcelr         just thinking a few mins about a print warning or so
11:44 khall           marcelr: I won't bother adding that db update to the bug, but I will if you change your mind ; )
11:43 marcelr         the bug changed F back to FU but did not create two FUs
11:43 khall           marcelr: I think your most certainly correct. I'm just being extra cautious ; )
11:43 marcelr         two FU records will be very very rare
11:42 marcelr         khall: I even doubt that you need to run the dbrev in connection to this report
11:42 khall           marcelr: agreed. I think we should rerun the db update from 15675 as part of it, just to be safe. but I think other than that it's all good ( https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=48471&action=diff )
11:41 marcelr         cait around btw?
11:41 marcelr         ok I will return to it; I think it is only a hypothetical discussion
11:40 Joubu           marcelr: I started but... to many comments, I gave up
11:40 eythian         $res_prod{addresses}[0]{longitude} = $prod->latitude; <-- good work, yesterday me.
11:40 marcelr         or khall perhaps?
11:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14390 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Fine not updated from 'FU' to 'F' on renewal
11:40 marcelr         Joubu: I wanted to finalize bug 14390 now; are you looking at that dbrev discussion ?
11:39 marcelr         i should be now..
11:39 marcelr         :)
11:39 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 28.9°C (1:29 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
11:39 eythian         @wunder ams
11:39 eythian         I suppose you were at the beach rather than the meeting?
11:39 marcelr         drojf: yeah and even then..
11:38 marcelr         hi eythian
11:38 eythian         hi marcelr
11:38 drojf           best europe time :P
11:38 drojf           yep
11:38 marcelr         hi drojf
11:38 drojf           hi marcelr
11:38 marcelr         missed a dev meeting apparently
11:37 marcelr         hi #koha
09:28 khall           mornin!
09:23 LibraryClaire   morning #koha
08:59 cait            thx all for attending :)
08:58 * khall         will power through ; )
08:58 drojf           later #koha
08:58 wahanui         goodnight kidclamp. You'll be back.
08:58 kidclamp        night all
08:57 * kidclamp      ponders going to work or going to sleep
08:57 kidclamp        heh
08:57 drojf           so much for a short morning meeting. i almost starved to death
08:57 cait            have to make the next phone call now... but first some water
08:56 kidclamp        cait++
08:56 cait            phew
08:56 huginn          Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_24_august_2016.2016-08-24-07.01.log.html
08:56 huginn          Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_24_august_2016.2016-08-24-07.01.txt
08:56 huginn          Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_24_august_2016.2016-08-24-07.01.html
08:56 huginn          Meeting ended Wed Aug 24 08:56:56 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
08:56 cait            #endmeeting
08:56 cait            thx a lot
08:56 cait            #agreed Next meeting will take place on September 28, 21 UTC
08:56 Joubu           k
08:56 cait            is that an ok?
08:56 khall           yeah
08:56 cait            argentina shoudl be better too
08:56 cait            so could try being nice to others... :)
08:55 cait            I thought we ere nice to europe this time
08:55 kidclamp        :-)
08:55 cait            and nz
08:55 Joubu           unless kidclamp
08:55 Joubu           it's always too late for everybody
08:55 kidclamp        I like 21 UTC
08:54 wahanui         21 utc is fine and might be better for local time adjustments.
08:54 cait            21 utc?
08:54 cait            September 28?
08:54 khall           so there's already precedent for needing/using node/npm as a Koha developer
08:54 cait            #topic Set time of next meeting
08:53 khall           the big note is that we already make developers use node/npm for dealing with opac css via less
08:53 cait            let's seet date and time for the next meeting
08:53 cait            i think Joubu has made a list of bugs available in his summaries
08:53 khall           can do! I think we will end up using gulp most likely
08:53 cait            ;)
08:53 cait            #action khall to add react and related topics to next dev meeting agenda
08:52 cait            can you please add this to the next agenda?
08:52 khall           cait: yes, same thing basically
08:52 khall           Most importantly, that requires developers to use npm
08:52 cait            oleonard to start a mailing list thread about the frontend build tool ?
08:52 cait            i thin that might be related to owen's action item?
08:51 khall           I don't think it's a big deal, but I wanted to bring it up.
08:51 khall           basically, many new js libraries ( like react ) require transpiling which means we need to use a tool like gulp to convert the React js files into regular js files
08:51 cait            can we talk about it next dev meeting?
08:51 cait            #info PERL24 was added after the last meeting: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL24:_Performance_and_cache_related_patches_should_include_benchmarks_of_some_sort_to_prove_their_effects
08:50 khall           React stuff
08:50 cait            ?
08:50 cait            which oneß
08:50 khall           cait: that could use some discussion.
08:50 cait            ok thx khall
08:50 cait            thre were lots of action items
08:49 khall           cait: I believe I did that in PERL24
08:49 cait            khall to add react/angular and frontend build to to next agenda ;)
08:49 cait            khall to provide a proof of concept for using React in Koha
08:49 cait            khall volunteers to focus on rewrite patches for QA
08:49 Joubu           and I think I have provided the list of bug numbers waiting for QA (search for "Move stuffs to Koha namespace" and related)
08:49 cait            khall to add new benchmark rule to the coding guidelines
08:48 cait            #info Start for benchmarks for QA tools: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2016-July/042844.html Please comment!
08:48 Joubu           but need feedback
08:48 Joubu           I have started the benchmarks for QA tools: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2016-July/042844.html
08:48 cait            #info namespace discussion is on http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2016-July/042845.html
08:48 Joubu           khall: k!
08:48 Joubu           the namespace "discussion" is on http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2016-July/042845.html
08:48 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15675 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Add issue_id column to accountlines and use it for updating fines
08:47 khall           Joubu: we may want to rerun the FU to F cleanup from bug 15675. Just keep that under your hat ( https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=48471&action=diff )
08:47 cait            did we come to a conclusion about the export scheme?
08:47 drojf           deprecation of wheezy i think
08:47 cait            Joubu is going to check if some performance testing can be  included in the qa scripts (launch a series of tests and compare diff)     Joubu to ask on the mailing list about which namespace scheme should be used for the 'export things'
08:47 cait            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_13_july_2016.2016-07-13-14.08.html
08:47 cait            bag to add a note to the next release notes - I got on idea what that was about!
08:47 cait            #topic Actions from last meeting
08:46 cait            moving on
08:46 Joubu           ok will have a look at the updatedb
08:46 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14390 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Fine not updated from 'FU' to 'F' on renewal
08:46 cait            the patch set is on bug 14390 actually
08:45 cait            and a set of eyes probably doesn't hurt - i didn't have time for testing
08:45 cait            FU double ups a hopefully last time
08:45 cait            to clean up
08:45 cait            I thin the missing piece now is a database update
08:44 Joubu           you are 3 on it, so decided to stay away from it. Do you need help?
08:44 cait            it's a problem in the stable version
08:44 cait            good
08:44 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17135 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fine for the previous overdue may get overwritten by the next one
08:44 cait            sorting bug 17135 fast would be bood
08:43 Joubu           nothing new
08:43 cait            Joubu: ?
08:43 cait            no updates from me - please look at critical bugs, link on the agenda
08:43 cait            #topic Updates from the QA team
08:43 kidclamp        yes. move ahead
08:42 cait            we are running late today :)
08:42 cait            are we ok to move to action items from last meeting?
08:42 kidclamp        and then make suggestion
08:42 cait            sounds good
08:42 kidclamp        I will talk to rangi before
08:42 cait            #action kidclamp ... or make a suggestion for the next meeting
08:42 cait            or next meeting
08:42 cait            ah
08:42 cait            #action kidclamp to talk to rangi about adding new keywords as discussed in the meeting to indicate easy bugs for beginners and testing complexity
08:41 kidclamp        yes, for next meeting - can be a general meeting discussion I think
08:41 drojf           cait: i volunteer kidclamp because it is his topic :P
08:41 khall           kidclamp: can you propose a list of complexities?
08:41 cait            new_kewyword+1
08:41 kidclamp        if we were going complexity route
08:41 kidclamp        I am happy for it to be a new keyword - I just wanted a keyword and a complexity :-)
08:41 drojf           something like that
08:40 drojf           easy, beginner, newbie
08:40 khall           drojf: true, maybe tis better to just create a new less special keyword
08:40 kidclamp        don't they usually call out for people to mark bugs around that time?
08:40 drojf           "claim"
08:39 drojf           i don't know if the academy is happy if the academy tag is used for everyone, because that will make it impossible for them to claim a few bugs when the academy actually happens
08:39 cait            drojf: are you volunteering? or kidclamp?
08:39 khall           works for me!
08:38 drojf           khall: yes me too, i just thought about the workflow right now
08:38 cait            Avademy for easy is ok for me
08:38 cait            i think sandbox, nosandbox (so both can be marked when you see it) , but not totally sold on educational
08:38 khall           drojf: ok. I was just assuming most patches are sandbox testable
08:38 drojf           so maybe sandbox makes more sense in this context
08:38 kidclamp        drojf +1
08:37 kidclamp        'sandbox' mark makes it stand out
08:37 khall           so should we stick with "Academy" as the easy tag, and add the keyword "nosandbox" and "educational" ( aka tedious )
08:37 drojf           khall: nosandbox is something devs would have to add when they add the patch. sandbox could be something people add when actively looking for easy bugs to mark
08:37 cait            drojf: will you talk to rangi about adding the keywords?
08:37 kidclamp        if you want to use a sandbox unmarked and nosandbox are equal
08:37 kidclamp        I would argue the other, mark the sandboxable so you can find those if you use one
08:36 khall           yeah, I think nosandbox makes the most sense
08:36 kidclamp        I also wouldn't discourage use of 'Academy' year round still, there are those bugs that are very educational to testers - if we mark one right after academy and it isn't dealt with by next academy, probably still relevant?
08:36 drojf           i guess
08:36 drojf           it will be less to tag
08:36 drojf           or nosandbox, like i did with nowheezy
08:35 drojf           just sandbox
08:35 cait            sandbox_ready keyword?
08:34 khall           kidclamp: I'm inclined to agree with you, that's less likely to scare people away from "hard to test" patches
08:34 kidclamp        yummy sand
08:34 drojf           tasty too
08:34 drojf           testability
08:34 drojf           if we want to use the BZ api (eg a sandbox could check for the sandbox tastability), it should be separated
08:33 kidclamp        I think don't have 'hard' or 'complex' just mark the simpler ones
08:33 cait            because you can have multiple
08:33 cait            maybe keywords woudl be easier
08:33 drojf           or we will have a lot of options in that box
08:33 drojf           that should probably be an extra thing
08:32 drojf           but testable on sandbox and easy or hard are different categories
08:32 cait            ?
08:32 cait            maybe 'system architecture'
08:32 cait            yep agreed
08:32 kidclamp        "testable on sandbox" as well
08:32 drojf           but it helps newbies if they can find easier ones
08:32 cait            so we can make easy ones esier to spot... but we also need people to help out with complex stuff
08:32 khall           aka can't be tested in a sandbox
08:32 cait            it would be good to get some devs in there for signing off too
08:32 khall           I think another testing complexity setting should be "Needs command line access"
08:32 cait            currently there is lots of scary stuff in needs sign-off
08:31 drojf           kidclamp: the complexity is already there without the label. i think devs know that ;)
08:31 kidclamp        or do we only makr easy ones
08:31 kidclamp        because that is one downside to complexity - complex bugs exist and need attention
08:31 drojf           regarding api permissions
08:31 drojf           cait: i info'd what tcohen wants you to look at
08:31 huginn          cait: The operation succeeded.
08:31 khall           heh
08:31 cait            @later tell tcohen - i want to get involved, will you sit down with me to teach the basics? ;)
08:30 drojf           no
08:30 cait            any questions or so?
08:30 kidclamp        so will developers etc. agree to look for the 'omg complex!' bugs
08:30 * cait          gives up on reading back fast enough
08:29 drojf           #idea instead of a keyword, add "testing complexity" to BZ
08:29 kidclamp        +1
08:28 drojf           ok then somebody needs to talk to rangi asking about the testing complexity thing? if that is an option it looks like we all are in favour of it?
08:27 kidclamp        much better
08:27 khall           drojf: love it!
08:27 drojf           khall: i would call that… extra…something. making it a good thing people will learn more about koha :P "simple - special experience"
08:27 cait            sorry, reading back now
08:26 Joubu           nobody will test these ones...
08:26 Joubu           drojf: no indeed
08:26 kidclamp        I'll support that
08:26 drojf           lol
08:26 khall           ok, first two settings are "Simple" and "Simple but tedious" ; )
08:25 drojf           Joubu: but they don't have active checkouts and holds and acq data and stuff, do they?
08:25 kidclamp        but asking a volunteer to dig a ditch may not encourage him to return ;-)
08:25 drojf           but i agree, it's not compley
08:25 Joubu           drojf: we have the sandbox DB already
08:24 khall           digging a ditch is not complex, but it is tedious
08:24 drojf           kidclamp: we should have a sample db that just has a bit of everything
08:24 khall           kidclamp: I would just call that tedious ; )
08:24 drojf           that might be even better than a tag
08:24 kidclamp        'testing complexity' is a bit more complicated I think - is it complex to rquire setting up 50 users and branches and checking out a bunch of items, or just tedious :-)
08:23 drojf           no idea how the config works
08:23 drojf           that sounds nice, but does BZ allow that?
08:23 khall           we could also have a "testing complexity" pulldown in addition to "patch complexity"
08:22 drojf           i think we should use a new one maybe
08:22 kidclamp        complexity is sort of helpful there, but isn't always filled out and sometimes a single patch is complex but depends on complicated things
08:22 kidclamp        It would be easy enough to either use the 'Academy' keyword all year round, or have a new keyword tomark beginner bugs
08:21 kidclamp        It seems that often when people want toget involved they want to know easy bugs to sign off/test
08:21 drojf           ?
08:21 drojf           ah cool, can you explain
08:21 kidclamp        yes
08:20 drojf           kidclamp: was it yours?
08:20 kidclamp        This was something cait and I discussed a while back
08:20 drojf           we had that last time on the agenda and nobody knew what to say about it
08:20 drojf           #topic Highlight easy to test bugs for beginners
08:20 kidclamp        agreed
08:20 drojf           night tcohen
08:20 drojf           ok. then if there is nothing more for the REST api i would mov eon
08:20 kidclamp        bye tcohen
08:20 tcohen          later #koha
08:20 tcohen          yes
08:20 * tcohen        goes to sleep
08:20 drojf           i assume that finishes the api permission part for now?
08:19 tcohen          the code of course should respect those definitions hhe
08:19 tcohen          so, our product owner can review it and with a simple reading and notice issues
08:19 drojf           #info REST api permissions can be reviewed in file, see https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=54767
08:18 tcohen          there's no need to engage in the technical part of the problem
08:17 ashimema        that's a good thing in my opinion
08:17 tcohen          specially people like cait, that know Koha's business with lots of detail
08:17 ashimema        indeed they can
08:17 tcohen          and review permissions that are required for each endpoint/action
08:17 tcohen          anyone can look at that 'swagger' file
08:17 tcohen          i just want to make a point
08:17 * ashimema      will read that lot probably late this evening.. too much to do today already :(
08:16 drojf           no idea how long she will be on the phone
08:16 drojf           tcohen: do we wait or do you want to do it later maybe?
08:16 tcohen          I need a couple hours of sleep
08:15 * ashimema      should put meetings in the diary and set alarms.. lots of alarms
08:15 tcohen          so I need to explain this https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=54767
08:15 ashimema        lol
08:15 ashimema        #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe
08:15 drojf           ashimema: good contributions though
08:14 ashimema        apologies for that diversion then ;)
08:14 ashimema        I didn't realise we were in a meeting..
08:14 ashimema        ooh..
08:14 tcohen          I want to clear cait's fears, and encourage her to get involved in reviewing some REST stuff
08:14 drojf           are we done with REST discussion?
08:14 drojf           more
08:14 drojf           cool, nore confusion
08:14 tcohen          yeha, I noticed yesterday
08:13 * ashimema      hints it's changed it's name lately.. it's no  longer 'Swagger', it's 'OpenAPI'..
08:13 tcohen          cait: are you back?
08:13 tcohen          *dealt*
08:13 ashimema        haha.. sure
08:13 tcohen          you need to talk about REST and Swagger
08:13 ashimema        ?
08:12 tcohen          :-P
08:12 tcohen          so the "workshop" thing is dealed with
08:12 ashimema        though I still need to book my train and hotel
08:12 ashimema        I am
08:12 tcohen          ashimema: are you attending Marseille?
08:12 ashimema        but form the api security perspective.. Interface Z will never be allowed to do more than change the username
08:12 drojf           so a user would allow an android app to log in and show account details. like a twitter app or something
08:12 ashimema        the interface can optionally look that up or not..
08:12 ashimema        (or rather.. the system knows all that interface Z is allowed to do is change the username)..
08:11 ashimema        When person X then logs into Interface Z, the system knows that all Interface Z is allowed to do is change the username.
08:11 ashimema        Person X logs in to Koha, then grant Interface Z privileges to undate their username.
08:10 ashimema        i.e
08:10 ashimema        in the OAuth world.. your efectively just adding more 'interfaces' and letting the person involved choose what that interface is allowed to do on thier behalf with their login
08:10 drojf           person x? :P
08:10 tcohen          ashimema: we are missing the interface data I think
08:09 ashimema        then any actions you undertake on Person Y may or may not be permissible because your aware of what person c is allowed to do under the 'staff' interface.
08:09 ashimema        I'm Person X, Using interface 'Staff'..
08:09 ashimema        when you login to the staff client the cookie says
08:08 ashimema        (which defaults to limiting them to only chaning person x's data and limits them to opac only actions.
08:08 ashimema        I'm person X, using interface 'OPAC'.
08:08 ashimema        the cookie you get when you log in to the opac says..
08:08 tcohen          cait: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=54767
08:07 ashimema        so for the koha case
08:07 huginn          Current chairs: cait drojf tcohen
08:07 cait            #chair tcohen
08:07 ashimema        i.e the cookie or token your using for authentication should include those three details
08:07 drojf           err i only had one coffee
08:07 cait            phone
08:07 huginn          Current chairs: cait drojf
08:07 cait            #chair drojf
08:07 cait            #info patrons will be able to use the REST API to do, what they can do in the OPAC, but not more
08:07 drojf           tcohen: doing the workshop in marseille? :P
08:07 ashimema        proper access control would take into account.. who's data your trying to chance, who's trying to change it and what application is doing the change on behalf of the person
08:06 tcohen          can I give another example
08:06 tcohen          people that know Koha a lot
08:06 tcohen          that's why it is important that people get involved
08:06 cait            i will log that :)
08:06 cait            ok
08:06 tcohen          with the same restrictions
08:05 kidclamp        I think cait in the end patrons shouldn't be able to do anything via API they can't do via the opac, so it shouldn't be any different
08:05 * ashimema      disappears again before he slates our api implementation ;)
08:05 tcohen          right now, the API only implements cookie-based auth
08:04 tcohen          cait: the api-key stuff if for system<->system integration
08:04 ashimema_       that's it's entire reason for being
08:04 khall           lol
08:04 ashimema_       OAuth.. even
08:04 * ashimema_     hints at OAUth
08:04 khall           drojf: good point, the api will make folio integration much simpler
08:03 tcohen          or my customer's student's management system
08:03 drojf           or, ebsco
08:03 drojf           :P
08:03 drojf           folio will be so happy
08:03 khall           tcohen: good idea
08:03 cait            other sofware seem to require something like an api key - so youwould know hwo uses your api
08:03 tcohen          for example, we could have a special 'api' interface
08:03 khall           even better, it means that Koha can be integrated into other apps
08:03 tcohen          we should have good logging facilities
08:02 cait            ok, so paranoid :)
08:02 tcohen          hahaha
08:02 drojf           heh
08:02 kidclamp        if your patrons are bold enough to research and use the API directly you should get them signing off on bugs :-)
08:02 tcohen          the API is just a way to organize things
08:01 drojf           or we can't have one :P
08:01 drojf           if we want to have an API
08:01 tcohen          and renew their stuff without using 'our' button
08:01 cait            true
08:01 drojf           if they are only in the templates then that is a bug now
08:01 tcohen          anyone can point the browser to the .pl with the right arguments
08:00 cait            fully automated access... not seeing any hints the library might have added - maybe getting around limitations only implemented in the templates...
08:00 tcohen          cait: suppose you have a button in the OPAC, which allows logged users to renew stuff
08:00 khall           cait: why do you think that? Giving patrons the ability to access their data via the api is a *good* thing!
08:00 cait            there is also ths bit as part of the big patch: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=54766
07:59 cait            but for me... API is a different level of complexitiy
07:59 tcohen          if you can do it in the OPAC right now, there's no difference
07:59 eythian         not so awful then
07:59 eythian         ah
07:59 cait            it mimicks what you can do with an opac access
07:58 cait            but you can't control use
07:58 cait            it requires a login
07:58 khall           cait: it should require either 1) your login has the necessary permissions to view / modify checkouts or 2) the checkouts are your own ( for viewing )
07:58 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13895 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Add API routes for checkouts retrieval and renewal
07:58 cait            bug 13895
07:58 tcohen          you mean that there's a bug proposing a REST endpoint, which implements it wrong?
07:58 tcohen          cait: if I understand correctly
07:58 cait            that the library can revoke
07:58 cait            i'd like it better if you coud get for aexample an api key
07:57 cait            that's my feeling, but so far i feel a bit lonely/paranoid .)
07:57 eythian         sounds like an awful idea
07:57 cait            it gives me a bit of a headache to be honest - i'd like to know how others see it
07:57 cait            so if the api is there, anyone can use it - without the library knowing
07:57 cait            this doesn't require any permission
07:57 cait            one of the patches, i will find the bug in a moment, adds the ability to see your own checkouts/renew your own mateirals
07:56 tcohen          yes
07:56 cait            ok, another question from me? :)
07:56 tcohen          hi eythian
07:55 eythian         hi
07:55 fredericd       tcohen++
07:54 drojf           thanks to tcohen for pointing that out btw
07:54 cait            i thought that was in - so that's where i got confused
07:54 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Configure the REST api on packages install
07:54 cait            bug 17030
07:54 cait            ah ok
07:54 fredericd       reverting 7030 will fix that in 16.05
07:54 drojf           cait: i reverted 17030 before i built the package. so no
07:54 cait            on 16.05?
07:54 cait            i thought it auto-activated
07:54 drojf           (i hope)
07:53 cait            hm with a package install probably? tcohen?
07:53 drojf           there is no way to reach the api if it's not in apache
07:53 tcohen          the /api endpoint shouldn't be available without tweaking the apache files
07:53 fredericd       Without modifying Apache conf, is it possible to exploit hold security flaw?
07:51 huginn          04Bug 16815: critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , API routes to list, create, update, delete holds need permissions
07:51 tcohen          I wrote a POC for bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16815
07:50 tcohen          but it seems the real solution is so close :-D
07:50 tcohen          fredericd: we could patch /holds too
07:48 fredericd       From now, I will skip any REST related patch
07:48 fredericd       I agree with drojf. 17030 should be reverted
07:48 cait            we coudl also use it to fix that
07:47 cait            once we got that in
07:47 cait            he said maybe he could do an additional earlier release
07:47 tcohen          that's fredericd's call, but yes
07:47 cait            I taked to fredericd yesterday about the pending bad fines bug
07:47 drojf           fredericd: what do you think?
07:47 drojf           if 14868 is not backported to 16.05 i think 17030 should be reverted
07:47 cait            can i add another question?
07:46 tcohen          and fredericd is aware of the issues that prevent it to be enabled by default
07:45 tcohen          I think only 16.05 has got the REST api on packages
07:45 * cait          is glad about the discussion
07:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14868 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking
07:45 cait            #idea make new patches using REST in the GUI depend on the infrastructure bugs, especially bug 14868
07:44 tcohen          I think I already volunteered for that
07:44 cait            #idea don't backport REST API patches atm, until infrastructure is sorted out
07:44 tcohen          alright
07:44 Joubu           tcohen: since you looked at the patch deeper than me, could you send an email to summarise the situation?
07:44 cait            cool
07:43 khall           yes, that's sensible
07:42 kidclamp        that was what I meant, make it depends on the necessary infrastrcuture bugs
07:42 tcohen          Joubu refers to patches that USE the endpoints
07:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Change pickup location of a hold from patron record
07:42 Joubu           I was thinking about bug 8030 (sorry kidclamp)
07:42 tcohen          I agree we need some level of completeness before we make the decision to allow the REST to be used from the UI
07:41 kidclamp        block them with 14868, they all depend on that and can't be pushed until after
07:41 khall           Joubu: I understand now, you mean don't push new endpoint patches until we get these mechanics fixing patches in place, right?
07:41 Joubu           no the patches of the REST API
07:40 Joubu           I meant to push of patches using the REST API
07:40 khall           um, how do you propose we handle it then Joubu?
07:40 cait            hm why not?
07:39 Joubu           I'd even say no push to master
07:39 tcohen          even the permission check lines are… what you'd expect
07:39 khall           that is just lovely ; )
07:39 cait            could it be a good idea to say no backports for now until we have sorted those base patches?
07:38 tcohen          you just have a couple calls to Koha::* libs
07:38 tcohen          (because it is moved somewhere else by the mentioned patch)
07:38 tcohen          if you remove the permission checking from that code
07:37 tcohen          http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/REST/V1/Patron.pm;h=2851308e7c34d78925972959438c28f4aa0782e8;hb=HEAD
07:37 tcohen          but look at this
07:37 tcohen          maybe the V1.pm could get complicated with the permission checking layer
07:36 tcohen          but I don't see the REST api as a complicated piece of code
07:36 tcohen          i'm not sure why they aren't
07:35 tcohen          we need to make interested parties get involved
07:34 kidclamp        so for now we need people leading, but should be community maintainable without difficulty is what I hear tcohen
07:33 tcohen          I think we definitely need a workshop on this
07:33 tcohen          that makes code simpler too
07:33 tcohen          so the API now will also provide more documentation, and a permission check schema
07:32 tcohen          is letting us declare the needed permissions, on the swagger file
07:32 tcohen          what the guys do in that patches
07:31 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14868 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking
07:31 tcohen          bug 14868
07:31 tcohen          which is about to get steroids with bug
07:31 tcohen          which now has a rudimentary permission layer
07:31 khall           agreed!
07:31 Joubu           s/is/must be
07:31 tcohen          routing calls to the right classes
07:30 tcohen          the mighty REST api is just a layer on top of that
07:30 tcohen          most functionality comes from the Koha::* classes
07:30 Joubu           (I've asked the same question on the ML but did not get answer from the involved people)
07:29 tcohen          I'd like to clarify something
07:29 drojf           volunteers? :P
07:29 drojf           somebody should do a dev intro in marseille
07:29 cait            I don't feel ready to test/qa - I'd like to learn - either online sometime or maybe in marseille
07:29 Joubu           and who will fix bugs
07:28 Joubu           I'd like to know who is going to write/test/qa these patches
07:28 cait            the patches get stuck right now - not a lot of experts
07:28 Joubu           currently there are patches, but just few people are involved
07:28 cait            kidclamp: i think he meant people dedicated to look after it
07:28 tcohen          cait: I agree
07:27 kidclamp        Joubu: why do we need a specific list for maintaining this above other things?
07:27 cait            the problem is we need people testing them - and we shoudl be careful about permissions/prefs taken into account/terminology :)
07:27 khall           api devs++
07:27 tcohen          etc
07:27 tcohen          "need a dropdown with the list of branches? here's an endpoint"
07:26 tcohen          from a first look, we can notice people are writing endpoints so the UI can be fully rendered using the REST api
07:26 cait            #info lots of REST related patches on bugzilla, focusing mostly on 2 things: 1) permission handling and documentation, 2) adding new endpoints
07:26 tcohen          2) there are lots of bugs introducing new endpoints
07:25 Joubu           IMO we need a list of people willing to be involved in the maintenance of the REST API
07:25 tcohen          is the most important piece
07:25 tcohen          and the bug kidclamp mentioned
07:25 tcohen          I'm talking about having the API fully documented with a Swagger 2.0 spec
07:25 tcohen          1) create a good basis for defining endpoints and handling permissions seemlessly, using state-of-the-art technologies
07:24 tcohen          will show that people have invested lots of time in two things
07:24 gaetan_B        hello
07:24 tcohen          a simple search for REST on BZ
07:24 drojf           lol
07:24 khall           ; )
07:24 khall           tcohen: can you summarize?
07:24 tcohen          some love :-D
07:23 tcohen          I have an idea of what is missing
07:23 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14868 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking
07:23 kidclamp        bug 14868
07:23 cait            :)
07:23 cait            it's a mighty API.. which is cool, but also has me a little worried
07:23 Joubu           but permission is a blocker
07:22 cait            if we say we will have it ready for 16.11 - but atm things are changing too much or so
07:22 Joubu           I have no idea, just repeating what I heard
07:22 cait            one more questio maybe woudl be about backporting REST API work to the stable releases atm
07:22 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Configure the REST api on packages install
07:22 drojf           FYI i have reverted bug 17030 from 16.05.03 for the debian package, because we lacked permission settings and it (if i got it right) allowed holds to be placed by everyone
07:22 cait            Joubu: can you tell what's missing in your eyes right now?
07:22 cait            ok, 2 different opinions
07:21 cait            like fixing PerlDependencies etc.
07:21 cait            and look out for potential problems in production use
07:21 Joubu           The problem we have is that it's not ready yet and we'd like to use it from Koha
07:21 cait            i'd just like us to be on the same page
07:21 cait            i am not against it - hope that's clear
07:21 khall           with a few more tweaks
07:20 cait            or if there are security concerns - like permission problems
07:20 khall           cait: imo it's ready and necessary
07:20 fredericd       #info Frédéric Demians
07:20 cait            becuase the patch from kidclamp will put it in the middle of Koha so people will stumble upon it if it doesn't work :)
07:20 Joubu           if it's not ready yet
07:20 cait            if it doesn't install well out of the box - it's not documented to activate (woudl be one reason for me)
07:20 drojf           (as far as it is tested, secure etc)
07:20 drojf           cait: what reasons could there be to keep it optional?
07:19 * tcohen        re-reads the questions
07:18 tcohen          because the package's apache configuration files hadn't been tweaked
07:18 tcohen          the original patches enabled it only on tarball/git installs
07:17 tcohen          the REST api code has been deployed into users' installs since it was introduced
07:17 cait            one thing i noticed is that mojo etc. is still optional in PerlDependencies.pm
07:17 cait            and if we do that, is it production ready? (secure, installs nicely, etc)?
07:16 cait            is there a general consensus about this kind of patch that we shoudl be using the API in the GUI already?
07:16 cait            and the fact that it was not working for me - as my REST stuff doesn't appear to be configured correctly yet
07:16 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Change pickup location of a hold from patron record
07:16 cait            triggered was this by kidclamp's patch on bug 8030
07:16 cait            so the first is: Is the REST API optional or mandatory (when you install Koha)
07:15 cait            hope people are not grumpy with me - I added questions about 2 topics I have stumbled on/being thinking about
07:15 cait            #topic General development discussion
07:14 tcohen          yeah, I need to REST :-P
07:14 cait            ok, let's move on - more REST
07:14 cait            #action tcohen to send an email to the list about 'splitting the swagger files' - bug 16699
07:13 tcohen          good idea, I can send that email
07:13 cait            so people get time to look into it
07:13 cait            maybe good to send to the mailing list too before the next meeting
07:13 tcohen          so people can give their opinions
07:12 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16699 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Swagger: Split parameters and paths, and specify required permissions for resource
07:12 kidclamp        bug 16699
07:12 tcohen          I'd like to promote it to a dev meeting
07:12 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15126 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , REST API: Use newer version of Swagger2
07:12 kidclamp        bug 15126
07:12 tcohen          but as there hasn't been much attention on them
07:12 tcohen          I like the schema they are proposing
07:12 tcohen          the file into pieces
07:12 tcohen          and there are patches on the queue that propose splitting
07:12 khall           tcohen: that's ok, I think kidclamp and I are too ; )
07:11 cait            ok, so maybe we shoud just keep it in mind and add to next meeting?
07:11 tcohen          the original swagger file was about to get bigger and bigger
07:11 tcohen          i'm abit asleep still
07:10 cait            like give an example?
07:10 cait            can you detail a bit?
07:10 tcohen          maybe this should be discussed on another meeting of course
07:10 cait            #info tcohen is working on the REST-related patches and suggests adding coding guidelines for the swagger files
07:10 tcohen          and while not finished, there will be need for coding guidelines for the swagger files
07:10 tcohen          I've been looking at REST-related patches the last couple days
07:09 fridolin        hie
07:09 cait            ah
07:09 tcohen          I would like to mention
07:09 cait            i will take the quiet as a clue to move on
07:09 cait            is there something people want to discuss?
07:08 cait            no suggestions have been made
07:08 cait            #topic Review of coding guidelines
07:08 cait            moving on?
07:08 cait            #action cait to update wiki and send info about GBSD to the mailing list
07:08 cait            #agreed Friday, 9 September will be GBSD = Global Bug Squashing Day
07:08 wahanui         hey, reiveune
07:08 reiveune        hello
07:07 drojf           i think there is a caffeine hackathon in berlin that day ;)
07:07 kidclamp        +1
07:07 tcohen          +1
07:07 cait            :)
07:07 cait            can we agree on the one in 2 weeks?
07:06 tcohen          friday
07:06 kidclamp        I like Fridays
07:06 khall           maybe a friday?
07:06 cait            maybe friday 9th September?
07:06 khall           can't hurt!
07:06 cait            any preferences on a day?
07:06 kidclamp        yes
07:06 tcohen          #info Tomas Cohen Arazi
07:05 drojf           don't have time for gbsd but in general, yes
07:05 cait            but mabe in 1-2 weeks
07:05 cait            i am not sure if people are still holidaying much everywhere
07:05 Joubu           yes
07:05 cait            shoudl we try for another GBSD?
07:05 cait            maybe a quick question fromme
07:04 cait            any announcements?
07:04 cait            #topic Announcements
07:04 cait            let's moveon, maybe we have some people oversleeping
07:04 cait            hm ok
07:03 khall           #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
07:03 cait            can we shake some more people awake?
07:03 cait            Europe should be more awake :)
07:02 Joubu           #info Jonathan Druart
07:02 cait            that's too easy
07:02 cait            hm
07:02 kidclamp        #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
07:02 cait            #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
07:02 drojf           #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
07:01 cait            #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_24_August_2016
07:01 cait            today's agenda is at
07:01 cait            please introduce yourself with #info following wahanui's example
07:01 wahanui         #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
07:01 cait            #topic Introductions
07:01 huginn          The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_24_august_2016'
07:01 huginn          Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
07:01 huginn          Meeting started Wed Aug 24 07:01:34 2016 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
07:01 cait            #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016
07:01 cait            let's start :)
07:01 cait            ok
07:01 kidclamp        yeah, it's early, but I made it
06:59 wahanui         kidclamp is the vm savior today!
06:59 cait            wow kidclamp!
06:59 * kidclamp      shields himself with a mug, sips quietly
06:58 * drojf         sprays coffee at everyone
06:58 kidclamp        morning
06:56 cait            irc meeting in 5 minutes!
06:56 cait            good morning #koha
06:52 morgane         hi #koha :)
06:24 akawa           hello #koha!
05:44 drojf           morning #koha
04:02 dcook           Nvm, commented on Bugzilla :)
04:00 dcook           khall, are you actually there?
03:58 dcook           TFW your hands feel so cold that you're not sure you can still type :p
03:48 dcook           community++
03:35 Joann           these people are so lovely; i hope they get involved on the community
03:31 rangi           cool
03:28 Joann           its done now
03:28 Joann           ok - thansk so much for your help.
03:22 dcook           Like... having an awareness of what fields get indexed, crafting indexes that make sense for their collection and users' search behaviours
03:22 dcook           I'd love to see people doing more targeted indexing tbh.
03:20 dcook           Truth..
03:20 rangi           people think they want full text, until they actually try and find something
03:20 dcook           That's part of MARC and AACR2 I think
03:20 dcook           Although in the case of tables of contents, that's OK
03:20 dcook           People sometimes try to cheat by copy/pasting into some of the 500 fields, but... that's not a good idea.
03:19 dcook           But Koha just has metadata records. Not the actual data those metadata records describe.
03:19 dcook           Yeah, EBSCO owns content, so they can full-text index it.
03:19 rangi           its not a document management system
03:18 rangi           but koha searches your catalogue records, it doesnt go downloading stuff and fulltext indexing it (because that gives hideous results for a start)
03:18 rangi           who knows what it is doing :)
03:17 rangi           because that's ebsco's search doing that
03:17 rangi           are they talking about the ebsco stuff?
03:17 dcook           deep might be a bit vague
03:17 rangi           well it does if you catalogue deep into the items
03:17 rangi           no
03:16 Joann           ie does koha search deep into the items?
03:15 Joann           deep linking
03:13 rangi           the fact its electronic is incidental (if that makes sense)
03:13 rangi           what niwa is doing is searching stuff that the library don't hold/catalogue
03:12 rangi           c
03:12 rangi           so theres nothing special about electroni
03:12 rangi           hell i put pokemon in
03:12 rangi           you catalogue whatever
03:12 rangi           but koha doesnt care know about print vs electronic
03:12 rangi           thats searching across ebsco and koha
03:11 rangi           https://library.niwa.co.nz/
03:11 rangi           yep
03:11 Joann           niwa?
03:11 Joann           I need a dmo site that can searcjh across electrob=nic resources and print
03:09 dcook           That would make for some interesting drop down menus
03:09 dcook           Wow..
03:09 dcook           As in... there are 1132 branches?
03:09 rangi           its one koha
03:08 dcook           Oh, rangi, this is just me being lazy... but are they all connected?
03:08 dcook           I keep meaning to ask questions about the Turkey set up but I keep forgetting what they are...
03:07 dcook           ^
03:06 rangi           its all faking it
03:06 rangi           you can't really do FRBR with MARC
03:06 rangi           FRBR partially
03:05 rangi           RDA yes
03:05 Joann           chris:Koha supports FRBR and RDA aya
03:04 Joann           thanks chirs
03:03 rangi           page 31 has the numbers of libraries etc
03:03 rangi           has the infrastructure
03:02 rangi           page 34 of the pdf
03:02 rangi           ill just quickly jump through
03:01 rangi           there is a link to his slides there too
03:01 rangi           http://www.livemedia.com/video/238239
03:01 rangi           2 secs
03:01 rangi           you can watch the talk
03:00 rangi           i think 10ish servers in the cluster
03:00 rangi           1132 libraries
03:00 Joann           can you remember the metrcs for turkey?
03:00 rangi           yep
03:00 Joann           we have a question about scalability; using one koha for a big consortia
03:00 rangi           how's it going?
03:00 rangi           heya Joann
02:59 Joann           Jo here from a Malaysian meeting.
02:59 Joann           hi there.