Time Nick Message
22:21 tcohen rangi: will do
22:12 rangi tell him it should be part of his 20% time, if google still do that
22:09 wizzyrea I don't know, but he's usually receptive to that sort of thing
22:07 tcohen wizzyrea: do u know if chris hall would be available for koha-gitify PRs?
22:02 wizzyrea hi tcohen
21:59 tcohen hi wizzyrea
21:19 wahanui salut, wizzyrea
21:19 wizzyrea hi
21:07 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Valle Escondido, Cordoba, Argentina, Córdoba, Argentina is 16.8°C (6:07 PM ART on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
21:07 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
21:06 cait here too :)
21:06 tcohen cait: it is actually late there
21:06 tcohen nor here
21:01 cait not here :)
21:00 tcohen (it is morning somewhere, right?)
21:00 tcohen morning
20:53 irma #kohaUS2016 1:30 - 2:30 Nick Clemens SQL for Koha Beginners http://koha-us.net/index.php/SQL_for_Koha_Beginners
20:15 rangi drojf: rebuilding now with those patches
20:14 eythian yeah, so they tell me ;)
20:14 rangi ta
20:14 kathryn eythian: oh alrigtht then. I suppose you have a job to do as well :)
20:13 huginn 04Bug 17043: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , debian/list-deps fixes, master edition
20:13 drojf rangi: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17043#c3
20:13 eythian kathryn: really, I already did going to Leipzig (for a music festival), then Berlin and Greece (for Koha stuff.) Parents are coming in September, so I'm saving most of the rest of my leave for when they're here.
20:12 rangi drojf: my bad, Can't locate Sereal/Encoder.pm in @INC its just the debian/control file needs updating
20:11 kathryn how about you? any travel plans for the summer?
20:11 eythian heh excellent :)
20:10 kathryn but is also wonderful :D
20:10 kathryn eythian: good! Frida is into EVERYTHING. And has no mute button, and throws things and says no a lot
20:09 eythian kathryn: how's things with you and family?
20:04 kathryn hi eythian :)
20:04 eythian hi kathryn
19:03 irma lunch break now @ #kohaUS2016
18:52 irma Program http://koha-us.net/index.php/2016_annual_conference
18:47 cait BobB: thx for reporting - keeping an eye here and one on the twitter feed :)
18:46 wahanui ow!
18:46 eythian wahanui: botslap
18:46 wahanui i heard security was bad.
18:46 BobB and security
18:46 eythian Ehh, I'm fine without that one 🙂
18:45 BobB we're discussing processes for choice of LMS at the moment
18:45 eythian No excuse! 😉
18:44 BobB not so easy (:
18:42 eythian (alsjeblieft)
18:41 eythian BobB: live IRC it would you?
18:41 eythian Changes based on people's reactions is a field that is worth more data.
18:40 eythian That sounds interesting.
18:37 BobB brought about by customer reaction to the introduction of self-check
18:36 BobB ok so this is the way city of Roseville library allocates staff roles in the library
17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions
17:32 cait bug 16974
17:32 tcohen :-D
17:32 tcohen 16974 please
17:21 eythian I keep expecting Texels when you do that.
17:20 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 22.5°C (7:15 PM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
17:20 drojf @wunder txl
17:16 cait eythian: yeah, i could do with a bit less
17:16 eythian I think I win. 27 is a bit much.
17:16 cait :)
17:16 wahanui somebody said manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
17:16 cait manual?
17:16 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 20.3°C (7:04 PM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
17:16 eythian @wunder ams
17:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Luisenstraße, Konstanz, Germany is 27.9°C (7:11 PM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
17:16 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:16 irma eythian goed dat je nog zo betrokken met #koha bent ;-)
17:15 BobB lol
17:14 eythian BobB: thanks for letting us know, drojf was about to get colourful!
17:13 irma eythian yes I was so pleased to see you were there too
17:13 BobB chat in #koha is currently on screen at Koha-US
17:13 eythian Hi irma, I've never even been to the Americas! Was in Greece though.
17:13 irma morning cait :-)
17:12 cait ..sad
17:12 irma morning eythian .... missing you at this #kohaUS2016
17:12 cait BobB: said not to be there now :)
17:11 eythian But they really need practice.
17:11 eythian Well combine it with that regex tester I showed you and it should work out.
17:09 drojf if i would not do ~7 million things per day, i could easily remember things i used before and build on that
17:05 BobB there's a great book on regex in the O'Reilly series, has a whole chapter on Perl
17:02 BobB we came via LA, dropped in for a cuddle of the grandchild :)
17:02 BobB hi cait, yep :)
17:01 eythian I think that exists
17:01 eythian Try perldoc perlretut
17:01 eythian They're super useful.
17:01 eythian Perl has a built in tutorial for them I think.
17:00 eythian It's what Perl is made of!
17:00 eythian Learn regex!
16:59 cait BobB / irma are at the US conf? cool!
16:59 drojf if i was better at regex i could just add it to the old ones ;)
16:59 eythian Split it into multiple ones if you need.
16:58 drojf apart from that, no
16:58 drojf the regex getting longer for no reason
16:57 eythian But is there a reason to remove them?
16:57 eythian That's correct.
16:57 drojf *grep
16:57 drojf git greps assumes the same
16:57 drojf there is no reason to keep the old perl paths in the regex for jessie and up, right? i assume list-deps is used nowhere but creating the control file
16:57 eythian Or have it die if it can't parse a result, but something is returned. That way it'll fail fast.
16:55 eythian Perhaps add a verbose mode to the script that dumps out what it is seeing to stderr so you can see where it fails.
16:55 drojf woah. finally. no eeks
16:55 eythian Heh. Practice makes those things faster. I usually go to reproduce things manually so I can see where they fail.
16:55 * drojf smiles slightly
16:55 drojf oh look, it's "slightly smiling face emoji"
16:54 * drojf googles funny box
16:54 drojf lol
16:54 eythian Your lack of Unicode defines you.
16:54 drojf but yes. i went through like all things possible and impossible, because i thought it's the pbuilder image :P
16:53 drojf thats a funny boc with symbols in it
16:53 eythian I said also 🙂
16:53 bag :)
16:53 BobB yes bag, arrived last night
16:53 drojf no it#s a sign the regex does not work
16:52 eythian That's also a sign you don't have apt file
16:52 eythian drojf: worth testing on sid every so often to get a head start on that sort of thing.
16:52 drojf debian/update-control in jessie created a million eeeks
16:52 eythian Ah yep
16:52 bag ah BobB are you there? I fly towards you today and will be at the conference tomorrow
16:52 drojf eythian: i think we had to fix some regex for weird debian paths in greece. i found another one, but it took much longer than it should have
16:51 BobB droif #kohaus2016
16:51 eythian drojf: oh?
16:50 drojf hi bag
16:50 drojf tcohen: after only a few hours if found out it's debian breaking stuff
16:50 bag morning
16:49 drojf debian-paths--
16:47 drojf BobB: cool. is there a stream available?
16:46 BobB chris is calling for US Koha users to join in to the monthly online meetings
16:42 BobB hi droif, irma will be on twitter, I'll just post a few brief notes here :)
16:35 drojf BobB: are you trying to be a twitter bot?
16:35 BobB hmm
16:35 huginn BobB: downloading the Perl source
16:35 BobB @koha-us Christopher Brannon speaking on 'How you can help shape your ILS'
16:22 BobB irma and bobb from Calyx delighted to be here
16:22 BobB robyn hastings is introducing Koha-US in Monterey CA
15:31 morgane bye #koha !
15:03 cait well, wild guessing - happy to have a patch :)
15:03 cait maybe some precaution to keep us from translating variable names?
15:03 cait maybe yeah
15:02 Joubu so I guess it's the $( .* _("string") .*);
15:02 cait thx!
15:02 Joubu I used a different syntax and the strings are translated
15:01 cait hm ok :)
15:01 Joubu I do not know :)
15:01 cait what was it?
15:00 cait Joubu: wow!
14:50 Joubu cait: fixed
14:24 oleonard I see.
14:24 cait but it would have to be tested, just something i haven't seen so often
14:24 cait i think the $ could turn the translation script away maybe
14:23 cait var edit_link = $(
14:23 cait ah i meant here
14:22 oleonard The menu is dynamically generated each time a table cell is clicked
14:19 cait it seems to be just a concatenated string
14:18 cait why does it do that btw?
14:18 cait being that it starts with $
14:18 cait hm maybe it's the var thing?
14:17 cait hm odd
14:17 cait file name i meant
14:15 oleonard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/additem.tt;h=75b5ea87f0658b8e204ae3eb330bfc3d536d5a94;hb=HEAD#l40
14:14 cait do you have a link or the file for me?
14:13 oleonard cait: That's strange. The code appears to be correct with regard to enabling translation.
14:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17040 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Context menu when editing items is not translated
14:11 cait bug 17040
14:11 cait drojf++ thx!
14:05 cait i will risk it if oyu see it in 16.05. :)
14:05 cait i just want a quick check before filing a bug
14:05 cait but there has a lot happened since
14:05 cait i think close to master - i see it in 3.22
14:04 drojf or do you need .02?
14:04 drojf 16.05.01
14:04 cait clicking in any cell in the items table abvoe the form
14:04 cait does the context menu translate for you?
14:04 cait when editing item
14:03 drojf cait
14:03 drojf 16.05
14:03 cait or master - as long as there is a translation
14:03 cait drojf: do you have a 16.05 you could quickly check a translation issue for me?
13:58 drojf for me
13:58 drojf eythian: you told me at the hackfest, but it did not make any difference then
13:58 cait i missed half of it too
13:58 cait yep it looks like it :)
13:56 tcohen oh, I've just missed a general meeting
13:51 eythian I think I changed the network device it was emulating.
13:51 eythian oh, I've seen that on vb
13:43 drojf 10,5 minutes for 26mb
13:42 drojf i think it's something virtualbox related. i don't see it on my real servers
13:39 eythian drojf: I've found the httpredir thing to be good if you don't have a specifically local mirror
13:39 cait something like m?ller?
13:39 cait does anyone know if you can have a single character wildcard when searchin in zebra?
13:37 drojf debian mirrors, the slowest places of the world
13:23 drojf koha devs
13:23 drojf heh
13:23 * tcohen fears who 'you' refers to
13:22 drojf or you did
13:21 * drojf broke stuff
13:21 drojf hm
13:18 liw I dislike installing anything manually. Including software I write myself.
13:12 magnuse hehe
13:11 * tcohen is installing koha manually on a clean VM, and can't understand why people still prefers it
12:53 tcohen but if you think they are safe, we should re-test
12:53 tcohen i'm sure there were reports
12:52 Joubu tcohen: I only got stage-marc-import failing
12:52 tcohen also, I will set the 16.05 job ASAP, same fro the Ubuntu 16.04 node
12:52 tcohen they would die in some scenarios, I don't really remember
12:52 tcohen Joubu: scripts backgrounding stuff got banned from Plack
12:46 LibraryClaire hi drojf
12:46 LibraryClaire oh multi-me
12:46 drojf and LibraryClaire1
12:46 drojf hi LibraryClaire
12:46 * drojf is building a bot that slaps devs that add deps without telling
12:45 LibraryClaire hi #koha
12:36 tcohen that's why I guess it is a dependency issue
12:36 tcohen Joubu: I haven't, but I've seen a while back that cpanm Test::DBIx::Class fails on the first attempt
12:34 eythian drojf now feels my former pain
12:31 drojf you added more dependencies? don't do that :P
12:29 Joubu same for mpm
12:29 Joubu I have installed it, then provision
12:28 tcohen it will succeed
12:28 tcohen Joubu: there's some issue with Test::DBIx::Class dependencies (I'm guessing). When it fails, if you run $ vagrant provision
12:27 cait hi tcohen
12:27 drojf hola tcohen
12:27 tcohen morning
12:07 cait the Sereal thing is fixedon master now
12:07 cait ah Michael is gone :(
12:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16088 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Excessive CGI->new() calls hurting cache performace under plack
12:07 Joubu vfernandes: could be fixed by bug 16088
11:47 oleonard Hi again #koha
11:46 vfernandes i'm using Debian 8... could be the Apache mod_negotiation?
11:45 vfernandes other pages too... but the searches are the pages where the slowness is more noticeable
11:43 magnuse does it influence other pages? like the frontpage? or is it just search pages?
11:42 vfernandes any idea why the Accept-Language header is a influence in the searches?
11:41 vfernandes using the same HTTP request of Chrome without Accept-Language header, the search lasts 4.5
11:41 vfernandes using the same HTTP request of Chorme in curl command, the search lasts also 7s
11:40 vfernandes using Chrome, the same search lasts 7s
11:40 vfernandes using curl on command line, one search lasts 4.5
11:39 * magnuse can never remember that
11:39 magnuse jessie is debian 8
11:38 vfernandes i'm having a problem with one koha
11:38 vfernandes hi #koha
11:29 MichaelKuhn Well I'm just at the beginning with Perl, maybe I will even change back to Debian one day
11:28 drojf i'd recommend using debian jessie. and if something is missing there, it's a bug
11:28 MichaelKuhn Of course I could install the missing module susing CPAN - but which way is the best or the recommended one?
11:27 MichaelKuhn Haha, not so
11:27 drojf would have been an easy fix :P
11:26 drojf ok
11:26 drojf in your dev environment
11:26 MichaelKuhn Yes I do
11:26 drojf are you using the unstable repository?
11:26 MichaelKuhn YEs?
11:26 drojf MichaelKuhn:
11:26 MichaelKuhn Thanks and goodbye!
11:25 MichaelKuhn OK
11:25 eythian Then people will explain what you need to know and close the bug, nothing wrong with that.
11:24 MichaelKuhn thd: Squat that house then ;-)
11:24 MichaelKuhn I'm hesitating to raise bugs because maybe I'm just not knowing enough
11:24 thd Sadly, mean landlords for a friend of mine have been taking my time away from Koha.
11:24 eythian There are also packages in there to install only the perl dependencies, which can be helpful
11:23 eythian and if that doesn't work right, raise bugs on the bits that don't work.
11:23 MichaelKuhn eythian: Thanks for that! I take notice (and suggest to include in with every release note)
11:23 * thd has to attend a housing court session for my friend.
11:23 eythian the best way is to use the koha repo
11:23 thd Exactly
11:22 MichaelKuhn thd: This may be the case since I built a development system; that's why I asked in the mailing list what is the best way to install missing perl modules
11:22 thd eythian++
11:22 eythian thd: in that case the package manager backports them
11:22 eythian https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian <-- from the point of view of packaging, they're listed here
11:22 MichaelKuhn informally I know it's Ubuntu 14.04 and Debian 8 but I can't find any information what exactly is needed
11:22 thd MichaelKuhn: New Perl modules might be required by some new Koha development which cannot fit into the Debian timeline.
11:21 MichaelKuhn In fact I asked myself what ist a "distributed distro" - I never found a document explaining it
11:21 eythian as in, worth raising bugs for
11:20 eythian If it's missing dependencies for a supported distro, then that's specifically something that should be fixed.
11:20 MichaelKuhn They are there but not in the version that is required by Koha
11:20 MichaelKuhn I just asked a question in the mailing list about these perl dependencies actually missing on my installation (Exception::Class, Sereal::Decoder, Sereal::Encoder)
11:19 MichaelKuhn Ah OK yes, but it doesn't contain ALL the dependencies
11:19 eythian There is. It's just the regular repo.
11:19 MichaelKuhn thd: Where can this be found?
11:18 thd MichaelKuhn: There has been a Debian Koha repository for Perl dependencies when we needed one.
11:18 MichaelKuhn But I have also made installations on Debian 8
11:17 MichaelKuhn thd: I used Ubuntu 14.04 so far
11:16 thd MichaelKuhn: If you pick an old LTS version of Ubuntu you may have fewer problems than one just released, however, Debian is still a safer choice for use with Koha.
11:16 MichaelKuhn Goodbye to all
11:15 MichaelKuhn It seems much more painful to meet the perl dependiencies in debian than in Ubuntu, though... I'm a Perl beginner...
11:14 drojf rangi: thanks. and good night
11:14 rangi ok now im really going to bed :)
11:14 MichaelKuhn thd: I tried to build a development server - productive servers I still build on Ubuntu 14.04
11:14 rangi debian breaks way less then ubuntu in my experience
11:13 thd MichaelKuhn: You may find more success with Debian stable than Ubuntu.
11:13 rangi but there was something i had a missing dependency for, but I forget what, ill check on my pbuilder tomorrow and let you know drojf
11:12 rangi debian stuck with 3.27 which works
11:12 rangi the oai one is because http::oai is 4.x which is broken badly and no one is fixing it
11:12 MichaelKuhn (Ubuntu 16.04 comes with Mysql 5.7)
11:11 MichaelKuhn there is that Mysql password problem in Ubuntu 16.04
11:11 rangi and oai is broken on 16.04
11:10 wahanui I watch you sleep.
11:10 MichaelKuhn Good night!
11:10 drojf rangi: jessie should work. no?
11:10 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
11:10 Joubu @later tell tcohen just recreate my kohadevbox and had to `sudo a2enmod mpm_prefork ; sudo cpanm Test::DBIx::Class` by myself
11:10 rangi ok I need to go to bed
11:10 drojf rangi ^
11:10 thd MichaelKuhn: bip is an IRC proxy which you can use to maintain a connection to the server, log messages, etc. and attach and reattach your live presence.
11:10 MichaelKuhn Now I built one on Ubuntu which looks better
11:10 drojf you mean wheezy?
11:10 MichaelKuhn I was trying to build my own development system on Debian 8, no chance
11:09 rangi yeah master is unusable on jessie without cpan (currently anyway)
11:09 MichaelKuhn Yes, I tried them at the weekend bot none of them really worked
11:09 drojf oh we broke the biblibre sandboxes
11:09 thd My connection via bip is having some trouble but I have not investigated.
11:08 MichaelKuhn What is bip? I guess not, I just use the browser
11:08 rangi yep
11:08 thd rangi: Are you connected via bip?
11:07 thd rangi: People in the US will take holidays until the actual start date of the academic year.
11:07 * oleonard will be back later
11:06 oleonard drojf++
11:06 thd rangi: I refer to the start of the academic year which at some institutions is delayed a little relative to others.
11:06 drojf yay
11:06 drojf ok so it looks like we will have kohacon next year after all
11:06 MichaelKuhn 15 September is Our Lady of Seven Sorrows
11:05 Joubu :)
11:05 rangi you weird northern hemisphere people :)
11:04 rangi who has holidays in september?
11:03 magnuse drojf++
11:03 davidnind1 cait++
11:03 davidnind1 drojf++
11:03 drojf that was very productive
11:03 thd Early Sep. is generally not as good as mid-Sep. for participation of people away for holidays.
11:03 drojf thanks everyone
11:03 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_3_august_2016.2016-08-03-10.01.log.html
11:03 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_3_august_2016.2016-08-03-10.01.txt
11:03 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_3_august_2016.2016-08-03-10.01.html
11:03 huginn Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 11:03:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
11:03 drojf #endmeeting
11:03 drojf #info next meeting 7 september 2016, 20 UTC
11:02 davidnind1 +
11:02 drojf ok, then it's 7 september 2016, 20 UTC
11:02 thd s/time/local time/
11:02 thd 7 Sep. should work for me actually. When the time changes it can become tricky.
11:01 * thd has no strong reservation for Sep.
11:01 drojf thd: that was kind of the general date
11:00 * thd has a general preference against the first Wed. of the month for 20 UTC.
11:00 davidnind1 generally the first Wednesday, has been for a while now, happy with 7 Sept.
11:00 drojf preferences, anyone?
10:59 MichaelKuhn sorry, no
10:59 drojf huh?
10:59 MichaelKuhn That's a midnight session on Sunday
10:59 drojf won't work for me. which does not mean much
10:59 thd I prefer 14 Sep. at 20 UTC.
10:58 drojf 7 september 2016, 20 UTC?
10:58 drojf err, september
10:58 drojf 7 august 2016, 20 UTC?
10:57 drojf unless there is anything else?
10:57 drojf thats all on the agenda, we need a date for next time
10:57 drojf i'd end it with that
10:57 MichaelKuhn I would be grateful
10:57 thd Some apparently 'easy' bugs are rabbit holes for descending.
10:57 drojf #info tagging easy bugs makes sense to help people get started
10:57 drojf #info nobody around to explain the topic
10:56 rangi maybe that was what was meant
10:56 rangi for people who want to get started
10:56 drojf yes that is always useful
10:56 rangi all throughout the year
10:56 rangi what might be good is tagging easy bugs
10:55 drojf not really a topic for the meeting i guess
10:55 rangi which is fine as long as there are about 20 bugs left there in january :)
10:55 drojf maybe they should get another then instead
10:55 rangi so maybe they want to overload our catalyst academy keyword to use for their one?
10:54 drojf hm. ok
10:54 rangi was added nick clemens from bywater
10:54 drojf oleonard: but when it's on the agenda i guess somebody wanted to discuss it?
10:54 * oleonard guesses
10:54 oleonard About bug reports for the Catalyst Academy?
10:54 thd MichaelKuhn: Not enough people were present last month to conduct a meeting.
10:54 rangi lemme look
10:54 MichaelKuhn nope
10:54 rangi no idea
10:53 drojf or who added it?
10:53 drojf anyone knows what that is about?
10:53 drojf #topic Community involvement - Use 'Academy' keyword year round
10:53 drojf heh nope
10:53 MichaelKuhn I didn't miss that one then
10:53 drojf so…
10:53 drojf we had no meeting
10:53 drojf #topic Actions from General IRC meeting 6 July 2016 (none, meeting postponed)
10:52 drojf ok moving on then
10:52 MichaelKuhn There is a beautiful animation about the naming of continents on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent
10:52 rangi not from me
10:52 drojf ok anything else regarding kohacon locations?
10:51 rangi heh
10:51 drojf :P
10:51 drojf #info continents are Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, Oceania
10:50 thd drojf: When it becomes warm enough, it may be the only place left :)
10:50 rangi we do have libraries in fiji using koha though :)
10:50 rangi yeah, there are 2 libraries there
10:50 oleonard first we have to get them using Koha
10:50 drojf :P
10:50 drojf i want to go
10:50 drojf antarctica should be in there
10:49 thd "KohaCon shall not be held in the same continent within three years unless no proposal has been introduced from a different continent. Continents for the sake of the rule shall be distinguished as Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, and Oceania [Australia, New Zealand, etc.]. Rule may be revised at a Koha IRC meeting if a problem develops."
10:49 rangi kohacon in fiji would be nice ;)
10:49 rangi then its more clear it includes the pacific an nz
10:48 magnuse nice
10:48 MichaelKuhn OK, some protectionism may not be too bad
10:48 rangi instead of australia
10:48 drojf this
10:48 rangi id call it oceania
10:48 magnuse Australia - does that include nz and the pacific?
10:48 rangi that works thd
10:48 rangi MichaelKuhn: because we have always had the not within 3 years rule
10:48 thd "KohaCon shall not be held in the same continent within three years unless no proposal has been introduced from a different continent. Continents for the sake of the rule shall be distinguished as Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, and Australia. Rule may be revised at a Koha IRC meeting if a problem develops."
10:48 drojf #info if there is no bid that matches the rules after the extention period, exceptions from the rules are possible
10:48 MichaelKuhn It didn't happen until now
10:47 magnuse yeah, 3 years make sense
10:47 rangi its not within 3 years
10:47 rangi that still allows NA,Europe,NA,Europe etc
10:47 drojf #info after the regular deadline for bids, if there is none that meets the rules, there will be a 4 weeks extension to the deadline
10:47 rangi in succession
10:47 rangi its not twice
10:47 thd "KohaCon shall not be held in the same continent twice in succession unless no proposal has been introduced from a different continent. Continents for the sake of the rule shall be distinguished as Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, and Australia. Rule may be revised at a Koha IRC meeting if a problem develops."
10:46 drojf #info if we do not get bids according to the rules, an exception is possible
10:45 drojf #info cait is working on rewording the rules regarding kohacon and continents
10:45 rangi yeah
10:45 drojf maybe 4 weeks, as 2 is very little for a new proposal? we should end bidding earlier in general if we do that
10:44 rangi drojf: that makes sense to me
10:44 rangi the only other informal rule was the idea that every 10 years it should be in nz, for the 10th, 20th, 30th anniversary etc
10:44 drojf does that make sense?
10:44 drojf i would propose to have the deadline for bidding. and if there is no offer according to the rules, extend it. for 2 weeks, or 4 maybe. and if there is still none, accept the exceptions
10:43 drojf yep. bu that is different to "no chance". which i told people so far
10:43 rangi something like that
10:42 rangi one of the other 3
10:42 rangi yeah, only if there is no valid one from
10:41 drojf like, the rules, the exception. write a proposal but be aware there is only little chance. or something
10:41 drojf rangi: no, but the same thing can rise again. so it would be better to word it differently
10:41 rangi well, i dont think we have to worry now :)
10:41 MichaelKuhn Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, Australia
10:40 drojf i told people from europe they would not get it for 2017. if in the end europe would be allowed, that would be a bad thing to do
10:40 thd I would not think there is currently a problem considering North America and South America as separate continents.
10:40 MichaelKuhn I guess Antarctica will never win the bid :-(
10:40 drojf if we allow that, we should not scare away bidders from the last continent
10:40 rangi hasnt been yet thd
10:39 thd Knowing what counts as a continent could be an issue.
10:39 rangi i think that is fine
10:39 drojf marcelr proposed to drop the rule if there are no other offers (if i understand correctly)
10:39 rangi i think the main thing is that if its not twice in a row, there is still the danger it ends up, europe,usa,europe,usa etc
10:38 rangi a couple of places on the wiki, katrin is working on better wording
10:38 drojf in the wiki it does not seem very precise
10:38 schnydszch we will research on what happened during the last Koha Conferences and will try to make it enjoyable :)
10:38 drojf rangi: you said it was written down in 2010. where?
10:37 drojf the rotation for kohacon came up on the mailing list
10:37 drojf i think we can move on to discussing processes
10:37 schnydszch in the museum. ancient jars, those traded during the galleon trade with Mexico and Spain :) as far as Ayala Museum is concern
10:36 drojf at the moment there is only another bid from europe which does not apply because we were in europe this year
10:36 schnydszch Yes books and artifacts
10:36 drojf we will have one more week until bidding closes
10:36 thd schnydszch: The important sight is the books, etc. not whether they have free conference rooms available.
10:35 drojf thanks a lot for the update schnydszch
10:35 drojf oh i'm chair, stop silly questions
10:35 schnydszch marinated pork/chicken in soy, vinegar
10:35 drojf what is adobo?
10:34 schnydszch we will take note of that
10:34 schnydszch Yes @rangi a lot of adobo
10:34 schnydszch they are still open, in fact they are under renovation and still open. The sight is not good since you can see cobbles, etc.
10:34 rangi as long as there is adobo there, i will be happy :)
10:33 schnydszch ..thinking
10:33 thd schnydszch: Will the National Library still be open for its own library business during the renovation?
10:33 drojf schnydszch: anything else you would like to add?
10:33 rangi that sounds good to me
10:33 drojf ok
10:33 cait thx for the information schnydszch!
10:33 cait i have to run :( but drojf will take over chairing
10:32 cait #info local hotels, restaurants will be edited since it will be in Makati, the Philippines central business district of Manila
10:32 schnydszch basically, but we will update it to suit Makati area
10:32 drojf ok then all the rest still applies i guess, hotels and stuff?
10:31 schnydszch part of Metropolitan Manila
10:31 schnydszch yep
10:31 cait just checking - city is the same, just another part of it, right?
10:31 thd Agreed, three months is not enough specificity.
10:31 drojf so three months was a bit much
10:30 drojf thd: yes, the date does not need to be fixed. but people want to know when it may be, kind of
10:30 schnydszch May is Summer in the Philippines
10:30 cait thd: i think a missing exact date is not a blocker - just good to have a general idea
10:30 rangi thd: indicative is good enough
10:30 schnydszch yep, not so hot already
10:30 rangi nice temperatures in june too
10:30 thd Have we not voted on KohaCon proposals without the date being precisely specified in the past even if what had been specified in such cases had been a much more constrained period?
10:29 schnydszch the local hotels, restaurants will be edited since it will be in Makati, the Philippines central business district
10:28 cait #info The conference date would be in June
10:28 schnydszch but opted for June
10:28 cait #info Organizers are OSLS, TA, NLP, FHL, ASLP - Onstrike Library Solutions, Tulong Aklatan, National Library of the Philippines, Filipinas Heritage Library, Association of Special Libraries of the Philippines
10:28 schnydszch previously proposed date was june, sept or oct
10:27 cait please keep talking, iw ill info some of that for the meeting minutes and then we can ask about what is not clear yet
10:27 schnydszch June
10:27 rangi cool
10:27 schnydszch Onstrike Library Solutions, Tulong Aklatan, National Library of the Philippines, Filipinas Heritage Library, Association of Special Libraries of the Philippines
10:27 drojf and there is still no date
10:27 schnydszch in that order
10:27 schnydszch list of organizers: OSLS, TA, NLP, FHL, ASLP
10:26 schnydszch here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon17_Proposals
10:26 cait we are just still a bit confused about the list of organizers
10:26 cait it looks nice
10:26 cait yep, i have logged that
10:25 schnydszch I have edited the conference location to Ayala Museum
10:25 cait schnydszch: the last one was referring to national library?
10:25 cait trying to sort this a bit
10:25 schnydszch as a matter of courtesy, they are still involved, they can lend us transportation for example
10:25 thd schnydszch: Would people from the National Library still be participating as hosts without the location of the National Library itself being the location for the venue?
10:25 cait trying to do this bit by bit :)
10:25 drojf by ourselves you mean all in the list now? (sorry it's not obvious to me and all very confusing)
10:25 cait ok, so can we confirm that OnStrike is part of the organizing team now?
10:24 schnydszch Yes, we have talked among ourselves upon learning that Filipinas Heritage Library is offering there place
10:24 cait #info new location for the Philippines bid: Ayala Museum http://www.ayalamuseum.org/
10:24 drojf and what is the involvement of the national library?
10:24 drojf so the person that was said to be out of the bid is now in again?
10:23 schnydszch http://www.filipinaslibrary.org.ph/
10:23 schnydszch it was actually the Filipinas Heritage Library of the Ayala Museum
10:23 schnydszch http://www.ayalamuseum.org/
10:23 schnydszch I have edited just hours ago. NP drojf
10:22 drojf :D
10:22 drojf sorry
10:22 drojf yes
10:22 drojf lol
10:22 drojf äh
10:22 cait separately :)
10:22 drojf (deperately from the other deletion)
10:22 drojf and tulong aklatan who were deleted before
10:22 schnydszch we have talked among ourselves those currently in the Philippines to restore the bid because we've got the Ayala Museusm and also the Association of Special Libraries of the Philippines to help us
10:22 drojf i see the national library in the bid
10:21 schnydszch I have edited the bid to instead be held at the Ayala Museum, where they offered there place, hence, restoring the bid
10:21 drojf can you explain what is going on?
10:20 schnydszch okay here
10:20 cait is someone here for the bidders?
10:20 cait some time before this meeting today, the bid was restored
10:20 cait the reason mtompset gave for withdrawing the bit was ongoing renovations at the national library
10:20 cait of course, thx magnuse
10:19 cait before that happend, it hink also yesterdy eugene jose espinoza had sent an email about the Philippines still be interested
10:19 magnuse *linked to from the wiki
10:19 cait the mailing list emails are linked to the wiki
10:19 cait the bid was first changed to remove one of the contacts, then later removed with an email to the mailing list
10:19 cait after drojf asked for updates on the mailing list
10:18 cait For this year there was one proposal added early to the list for the Philippines by mtompset
10:18 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon17_Proposals
10:18 cait there has been quite a confusion since yesterday and I hope we will be able to resolve it
10:17 cait #topic KohaCon17
10:17 cait hm sorry
10:17 cait #KohaCon
10:17 cait moving onto KohaCon as next topic
10:16 drojf ok cool
10:16 fredericd drojf: rather encouragement than objection
10:16 cait no objections from me in that case - seemed straightforward
10:15 cait otherwise i am goig to jump to kohacon
10:15 cait quick check, do we have something for the next topic, please just say yes
10:15 drojf i don't plan to add features on my own ;)
10:15 drojf i released a package reverting a patch before it was done by the RMaint. to avoid a lot of kohas exploding. any objections to doing that?
10:15 cait moving on?
10:14 cait #action tcohen - please set up a 16.05 job on jenkins
10:14 cait thx fredericd
10:14 fredericd From now onwards, I will take a more conservative approach.
10:14 Joubu (oops sorry, not at the bottom)
10:13 Joubu fredericd: yes it should. We will see with tcohen when he will be around
10:13 fredericd I may have been a little bit too far...
10:13 fredericd In this perspective, I've included what I've considered as minor enhancements.
10:13 fredericd And so, in order to ease bug fixes backporting in the stable release cycle.
10:12 fredericd My goal for this stable release was to include as much of master patches as possible in order to minimize master/stable code divergence, especially for templates.
10:12 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
10:12 rangi @later tell tcohen can you set up a 16.05 job on jenkins please
10:12 rangi ah yep
10:11 cait #info 3.20.x to mainly include security fixes from now on
10:11 fredericd There is no project for 16.05 branch on Jenkins server. Could it be added?
10:11 rangi 3.20.x is mainly going to be just security fixes from now on
10:11 wahanui hmmm... anything else is just being crap
10:11 cait anything else?
10:11 cait #info RMaints and translators - po files are updates for releases on the 15th!
10:10 rangi well he might do it manually, but it's always on the 15th (at least it has been)
10:10 rangi yup
10:10 cait rangi: is that automatic?
10:10 cait #info RMaints - please keep drojf in the loop about your planned release day to have timely packages
10:09 rangi bgkriegel regens the po files ont the 15th, so that gives a week for that translators
10:09 drojf i would like to have packages soon after release. so it would be cool to know when it happens :)
10:09 cait #info Please try and keep maintenance releases on schedule - around 22nd each month
10:09 * fredericd will do my best for 22nd releasing
10:09 drojf some schedule would be nice. from a "packaging your stuff" point of view
10:08 rangi just that i hope we can all get back to the releasing on the 22nd schedule
10:08 drojf or i missed it
10:08 drojf no inztroduction, you don't exist :P
10:08 rangi nope
10:08 cait announcements? :)
10:07 rangi yep
10:07 cait any Rmaints around?
10:07 cait including bag afaik
10:07 cait My understanding is that some people are travelling to the Koha US conference this week
10:06 Oak #info Arslan Farooq, Islamabad, Pakistan
10:06 cait please hold KohaCon until we move into that topic
10:06 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:06 cait ok, any announcements?
10:06 cait heh
10:06 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
10:06 cait #topic Announcements
10:06 cait ok, moving on
10:05 cait davidnind: #info? :)
10:05 magnuse we'll be kind
10:05 drojf in a good way
10:05 cait please get your #info in, i am switching topic in a quick moment
10:05 drojf scary
10:04 cait nice, big crowd
10:04 ola #info Ola Andersson, LTU, Sweden
10:04 MichaelKuhn #info Michael Kuhn, Allschwil (next to Basel), Switzerland
10:03 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:02 d_antonakis #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens, Greece
10:02 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians
10:02 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
10:02 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_3_August_2016
10:02 cait today's agenda:
10:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
10:02 drojf heh
10:01 huginn MichaelKuhn: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
10:01 MichaelKuhn @drojf Yes, I'm lucky today :-)
10:01 cc #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe Ltd
10:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
10:01 schnydszch #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines
10:01 huginn Current chairs: cait drojf
10:01 cait #chair drojf
10:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
10:01 cait please introduce yourself following wahanui's example
10:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:01 cait #topic Introductions
10:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_3_august_2016'
10:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Aug 3 10:01:05 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:01 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 3 August 2016
10:01 lari ofc there is Koha::Patron, sorry
10:00 lari Joubu: ah yes forget comment about patron :)
10:00 cait starting th emeeting in a moment
10:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Add API routes for getting item availability and holdability
10:00 lari Joubu: patron.json vs borrowers? definitions that don't have db table like availability.json in Bug 16826
09:59 drojf hi MichaelKuhn. you got the right time!
09:59 MichaelKuhn Kia ora tatou
09:59 Joubu lari: the json file should have the same name as the koha object module, so I don't understand why you need it.
09:56 cait getting some more tea - brb to start the meeting
09:56 cait hi oleonard
09:56 oleonard Hi #koha
09:54 cait meeting in 5 mins!
09:52 lari Joubu: yeah that would be cool. but since not all definitions will have same properties as some db table's columns, it's a bit problematic. i think one solution would be to define this "x-koha-object" for example
09:49 Joubu lari: I'd like something generic, to avoid each .json provide c/p tests
09:47 lari it could even be automatical if each definition had something like "x-koha-object" to let the test know it's a Koha-object
09:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16825 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Add API route for getting an item
09:47 lari Joubu: hey, thanks for your comment in Bug 16825! I wanted to ask what do you mean by "global check"; automatically iterate over the .json in /api/v1/definitions or let each Bug extend that test if they add more definitions that are directly a Koha-object/db table?
09:42 drojf eythian: you're still there https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Catalyst_IT
09:14 * LibraryClaire waves back
09:12 * cait waves
09:01 LibraryClaire morning #koha
08:49 Joubu morgane: no worries :)
08:49 morgane Joubu: I don't see it was written, sorry
08:48 Joubu which will update it if already exists *
08:47 Joubu whch will update the it if already exists
08:47 morgane Joubu: oh, ok! thanks :)
08:47 Joubu morgane: no, store will call the DBIx::Class create_or_update method
08:47 morgane Joubu: store will not create another one?
08:47 Joubu morgane: ->store
08:44 morgane hi, I have a question about the koha::object, when I use the function "find" then I modify the value of a param with the function "set", how can I apply my modification in the database (like a update sql query)?
08:14 Joubu (sorry)
08:14 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:14 Joubu @later tell tcohen same for batchMod.pl
08:13 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:13 Joubu @later tell tcohen same for upload-cover-image.pl
08:10 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:10 Joubu @later tell tcohen do you remember why you put batch_record_modification in the list of scripts that fail under plack ?
08:09 magnuse added it to the agenda
08:06 magnuse yeah, i found it too :-)
08:05 drojf magnuse: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-August/045882.html
08:03 drojf it had a digest subject
08:03 magnuse oh, i must have missed that
08:02 drojf big mailing list
08:02 magnuse where did they say that?
08:02 drojf magnuse: after someone from the list of bidders said yesterday they are working on it
08:01 magnuse drojf: mtompset has said on the wiki that the philipines bid is withdrawn
08:00 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
08:00 magnuse @wunder boo
07:52 eythian ...cept that humidity. ug.
07:52 eythian hah, I win!
07:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (7:30 PM NZST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
07:52 eythian @wunder nzwn
07:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 18.1°C (9:39 AM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
07:52 eythian @wunder ams
07:44 drojf *happens
07:44 drojf if somebody will show up or not
07:44 drojf i'm excited to find out what happened next in the kohacon location thing
07:42 magnuse cait++ drojf++
07:42 * cait will be there the first half hour - recruited drojf to help out with chairing
07:39 * magnuse will be able to join then!
07:35 drojf yep
07:35 magnuse ah, meeting in ~2.5 hours?
07:34 cait yeah, would be good to get to the cause of that
07:33 morgane cait: ok, thanks. we think there is a problem with the email service of the wiki
07:31 cait he is not always listening in here i think
07:31 cait i'd try to email him
07:31 cait hm that or maybe conferences or so
07:31 morgane I don't see him on the chan, paul_p thinks he is in vacations
07:29 cait did you try contacting gmcharlt?
07:28 cait hm
07:28 morgane cait: no, I edit my wiki page with the account of clhr at biblibre
07:27 cait where you able to resolve the problem with the wiki login?
07:27 cait hi morgane
07:26 morgane hi cait :)
07:24 * cait waves
07:22 morgane hi drojf :)
07:22 drojf hi morgane
07:22 morgane hi!
07:19 drojf hi cait
07:19 * cait waves
07:15 * dcook heads off for dinner
07:15 dcook Enjoy!
07:15 dcook Yikes..
07:12 drojf so we have a self-competing philippines bid now where one part says it's off and one says it's goint to happen?
07:11 ola hej magnuse!
07:09 drojf and morning #koha
07:09 drojf hei magnuse
07:09 magnuse moin drojf
07:09 magnuse tjänare ola
07:06 magnuse bonjour sophie_m et fridolin
06:58 sophie_m hello #koha
06:44 magnuse dcook: dunno, nearly 9 here
06:41 dcook Also how is it nearly 5? :(
06:40 dcook Also, yeah?
06:40 dcook magnuse: I thought so!
06:35 magnuse ah, the philipines are out of the kohacon17 race
06:34 magnuse dcook: petter is oslo :-)
06:30 cait brb
06:30 cait fredericd++ drojf++
06:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16917 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Error when importing patrons, Column 'checkprevcheckout' cannot be null
06:27 fredericd I reverted bug 16917 on 16.05, and uploaded new tarball
06:14 wahanui somebody said Oslo was more or less even with the southern tip of greenland :-)
06:14 dcook And Oslo?
06:14 * dcook cheers for petter
06:10 petter Seems impossible now, but I hope we can make it
06:10 petter I wonder
06:10 petter hm
06:08 magnuse 8 weeks until go live, eh? :-)
06:07 magnuse god morgen petter!
06:03 * dcook waves to the Europeans
05:58 * cait waves
05:55 petter hei magnus!
05:55 * magnuse waves
04:18 mtj i sorta discovered a related issue to that bug too
04:14 mtj ping rangi, i just logged a bug for a sec. issue... i do have a fix tho
04:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16885 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , koha-stop-zebra should be more sure of stopping zebrasrv
04:01 mtompset And if anyone is experiencing the logrotate killing zebra problem... bug 16885
04:00 mtompset Confusing news: Philippines is withdrawing their bid. National Library of the Philippines is still under renovation.
03:59 mtompset Greetings, #koha.