Time  Nick          Message
00:00 wizzyrea      https://mentaltruths.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/blank-stare-incredulous-internally-screaming-stare-stink-eye-gif.gif?w=457&h=274
00:07 dcook         lol
00:08 dcook         wizzyrea: yes.
01:03 wizzyrea      looking through that stuff is like staring into a gaping maw of evil
01:05 dcook         I imagine everyone turns away from it and that's part of the problem :)
01:28 wizzyrea      be rangi
01:28 wahanui       Send a patch!
01:28 wizzyrea      teehee
01:34 dcook         hehe
01:50 mtompset      if you look, your face will melt off. ;)
01:56 wizzyrea      https://media.giphy.com/media/L4caiF7GTkgJa/giphy.gif like this?
03:41 mtompset      wizzyrea: Yes, like that.
03:41 wahanui       like that is hard to vote on. :)
03:43 mtompset      Have a great day, #koha wizzyrea dcook :)
03:45 dcook         Huh... didn't know that an underscore counted as whitespace to a regex
03:45 dcook         At least to grep's
05:57 * magnuse     waves
06:35 fridolin      hie
06:40 magnuse       bonjour papa fridolin
06:41 fridolin      bonjour dady magnuse
06:41 fridolin      ;)
06:41 magnuse       :-)
06:41 fridolin      I have a natural clock waking me up now
06:42 fridolin      its the baby phone :D
06:42 magnuse       hehe
06:42 magnuse       i bet it is kind of hard to set it to wake you up exactly when you want it to?
06:49 papa          bonjour et adieu at the same time, have to run off
07:01 magnuse       bonjour sophie_m paul_p
07:02 sophie_m      hi magnuse
07:02 sophie_m      hello #koha
07:08 morgane       hi !
07:10 drojf         morning #koha
08:23 drojf         oh, that's not very promising https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=KohaCon17_Proposals&action=historysubmit&diff=16910&oldid=16729
08:25 cait          drojf: hm?
08:26 drojf         "Tulong Aklatan backs out due to lack of planning by hosting parties."
08:26 cait          oh
08:26 cait          need to reread
08:27 cait          yeah, not so promising :(
08:30 magnuse       ouch
08:39 eythian       https://blog.thimbleweedpark.com/books_desktop <-- relevant to your desktops perhaps
10:24 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16436 [QA Followup] - Use debug instead of info <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bcf7268f4f37ead02db8bc2da457ddfc9ce425c0> / Bug 16436 - Allow action logs to be logged to the koha log file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce8c55fba055e856af406587894c6d67c68bc681>
10:32 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
10:32 huginn        drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 17.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on August 02, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
10:32 * drojf       gets a coat
10:44 cait          @wunder Konstanz
10:44 huginn        cait: The current temperature in LuisenstraÃ&#376;e, Konstanz, Germany is 22.2°C (12:37 PM CEST on August 02, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
10:45 cait          drojf: want to switch?
10:51 magnuse       @wunder boo
10:51 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on August 02, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
10:58 drojf         cait: i think i'll keep mine
10:59 cait          hmpf
11:03 marcelr       hi #koha
11:21 magnuse       druthb!
11:21 wahanui       druthb is, like, an amazing person
11:22 eythian       @wunder ams
11:22 huginn        eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 16.8°C (1:19 PM CEST on August 02, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
11:22 druthb        magnuse!
11:22 wahanui       well, magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
11:22 druthb        :D
11:23 magnuse       hehe
11:25 ashimema      @wunder stevenage, uk
11:25 huginn        ashimema: The current temperature in Stevenage, England, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 19.1°C (12:25 PM BST on August 02, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
11:48 oleonard      Hi #koha
11:48 marcelr       hi oleonard
11:49 drojf         as far as i understand it, at the moment we have those things in PerlDependencies.pm, that we actively use in our code. i wonder if implicit dependencies should go in there too. or if that is a rule already and there are just a few missing
11:50 drojf         like IO::Socket::IP, which is not in there, but needed… for the rest api i think
11:54 drojf         opinions? ^
11:55 eythian       If Koha depends on it, it should be in there.
11:55 eythian       Otherwise you don't know what you're depending on.
11:58 drojf         what i would in the long run is a process that ensures that an automatic nightly build of master packages will mostly work and sometimes fail, not the other way round like it would be now. declaring dependencies properly would definitely help
11:59 drojf         *would like
12:00 drojf         it will be easier without wheezy. i guess
12:06 drojf         ah the thing with io::socket::ip was that it is a perl core module in 5.20. so maybe adding it to the file will create problems?
12:08 marcelr       drojf: no need to add perl core modules to Dependencies
12:08 drojf         marcelr: it is not for wheezty
12:08 drojf         and i added it for the 16.05.01 package apparently
12:08 marcelr       yeah that is 5.14?
12:09 marcelr       but deprecated?
12:09 drojf         but supported
12:09 drojf         so people assume i build packages now :P
12:09 marcelr       good for you LOL
12:09 drojf         hey!
12:09 drojf         :P
12:10 drojf         anyway i did that last month apparently and people did not complain, so i add it to the file. and the exeption regarding perl version
12:11 drojf         i wonder if i did not upload that to bz
12:12 drojf         which i should have. then i would not have to do it again :P
12:24 oleonard      Joubu: I can commit to testing Bug 15758 again this week if you can rebase again
12:24 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15758 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Move the C4::Branch related code to Koha::Libraries - part 4
12:26 Joubu         oleonard: I can do anything for a signoff on this one :)
12:26 oleonard      Yeah I know you're tired of rebasing :(
12:27 cait          if someone could take a look at the latest comments on bug 6934 that would be nice too
12:28 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6934 enhancement, P3, ---, bouzid.fergani, Signed Off , New report Cash Register Statistics
12:28 cait          i wonder if it's me :)
12:28 cait          and a native speaker opinion on bug 13796 please
12:28 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge
12:30 oleonard      13796 is a strangely difficult one
12:31 cait          i think if someone said 'variant X' that would help
12:33 * oleonard    voted for variant III
12:35 drojf         why are some variants more expensive than others?
12:35 oleonard      drojf: Don't just vote with your wallet
12:36 drojf         that's a very privileged thing to say!
12:37 * oleonard    lights a cigar with a $100 bill
12:38 drojf         a $5 cigar
12:39 tcohen        hola #koha
12:40 drojf         hi tcohen
12:40 drojf         tcohen: want to do another kohacon?
12:40 tcohen        alright!
12:41 drojf         w00t. you have a week to put the proposal in the wiki
12:41 drojf         hurry!
12:41 tcohen        hahaha
12:42 drojf         i read that as "alright i have already started"
12:43 * tcohen      is still recovering from the last one
12:43 * magnuse     too
12:43 tcohen        so I only have 1 week?
12:44 Joubu         oleonard: rebased. Could you confirm 15407 apply correctly? (I was lazy and just attach the patch in conflict, but a previous one may fail)
12:46 oleonard      Joubu: Yes 15407 applies okay for me
12:47 Joubu         oleonard: thx!
12:48 * oleonard    was going to try to test Bug 16955 but couldn't reproduce the error
12:48 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16955 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Internal Server Error while populating new framework
12:49 Joubu         oleonard: using plack?
12:51 oleonard      Joubu: I ran the 'start' command and then the 'enable' command for my instance. Is there more I should do?
12:51 Joubu         oleonard: you need to enable, then restart plack
12:52 oleonard      Okay thanks I'll try it again later
13:02 eythian       drojf: there might be a system to detect things that are core modules, e.g. "libio::blah | perl-modules (>5.20)" sort of thing
13:02 eythian       either that or you could manually put it in to the script
13:03 drojf         i did that manually now (again). how would i check if something is a core module?
13:04 eythian       there is a way
13:04 eythian       I can't remember what it is
13:04 eythian       drojf: corelist
13:05 eythian       that's the way
13:05 eythian       $ corelist IO::Socket::IP
13:05 eythian       Data for 2015-12-13
13:05 eythian       IO::Socket::IP was first released with perl v5.19.8
13:05 drojf         excellent, thanks!
13:07 eythian       or from a script: my @ms = Module::CoreList->find_modules(qr/^$mod$/);
13:07 magnuse       yay! flights to and from marseille booked!
13:07 drojf         nice
13:07 cait          woohoo :)
13:07 drojf         where are you staying?
13:07 * cait        got her train tix
13:08 magnuse       dunno where i'll stay yet, wanted to book flights first
13:08 drojf         ah ok
13:08 cait          when are your flights?
13:08 magnuse       was looking at a place called paradise. cheap, and the pictures looked promising
13:08 drojf         cait: how long does it take by train?
13:08 drojf         ah cool
13:08 drojf         i think i have a booking there
13:08 magnuse       cait: i'll arrive very very late on sunday and leave really early on friday
13:09 drojf         cait: is that the one you showed me?
13:09 tcohen        oleonard: restart apache after teh enable
13:10 cait          yep
13:12 drojf         eythian: thanks, i will play with that later
13:12 magnuse       kia ora paul_p!
13:13 magnuse       paul_p: a little bird told me you were looking at getting a group discount at a hotel. any luck with that?
13:16 paul_p        magnuse the little bird is right, but it seems the hotel forget me :(
13:16 magnuse       stupid hotel ;-)
13:16 * cait        nods
13:18 magnuse       i think i'll just book at paradis and get it over with
13:19 drojf         good idea
13:20 drojf         i should find out how long i can attend so i can get flights
13:21 LibraryClaire I still think it's funny there's a direct train from London - marseille :D
13:21 cait          heh
13:22 oleonard      Are you going LibraryClaire?
13:24 LibraryClaire Investigating it. Have been told I could go, need to check prices etc though
13:25 magnuse       room booked in paradise!
13:26 oleonard      magnuse: Do they cancel your reservation if you misbehave?
13:26 LibraryClaire :)
13:26 magnuse       i guess st. peter will be the concierge...
13:28 * magnuse     wanders off
13:31 cait          heh
14:11 tcohen        Joubu: where are those Sereal removing patches?
14:11 Joubu         on the original bug report
14:11 Joubu         tcohen: bug 16715
14:11 wahanui       i guess bug 16715 is passed qa
14:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Passed QA , Koha::Cache - Use Sereal for serialization
14:15 cait          i tested it yesterday
14:16 cait          seems to work ok - no more errors for me without the installed dependency
14:16 cait          can we get this pushed?
14:27 tcohen        khall: can we?
14:27 khall         tcohen: can do!
14:28 * tcohen      should finish configuring the 16.04 jenkins node
14:28 ashimema      is LibraryClaire going to marseille
14:30 * ashimema    tries to dig out when marseille is this year
14:30 tcohen        10~14 October
14:30 ashimema      cheers
14:30 * tcohen      just failed to buy his tickets, retrying
14:31 tcohen        iberia+paypal--
14:34 * cait        crosses fingers for tcohen's ticket booking
14:34 cait          tcohen: which dates are you aiming for?
14:35 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16715: Use Sereal::Decoder and Sereal::Encoder instead of Sereal <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6d3e5a50b0c3fa104cae61211f3d2259dc60f52>
14:35 cait          nice
14:43 Joubu         common drojf, you broke my flush with 17027!
14:43 drojf         Joubu: huh?
14:44 drojf         it's not complete anyway
14:44 drojf         so i will change it. what did i break?
14:44 Joubu         drojf: I opened 17020-17026 and 17028-29, you took 17027
14:44 drojf         ha
14:44 drojf         sorry :D
15:12 cait          khall: around?
15:12 khall         yo
15:12 cait          hah one sec finding bug
15:13 cait          bug 16960 - could you take a look? I keep runnign into that
15:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16960 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Patron::Modifications should be fixed
15:14 cait          one side effect is possibly broken self reg emails (the token is missing)
15:14 khall         can do!
15:14 cait          thx!
15:16 cait          oleonard++ thx for renewal fee bug :)
15:18 tcohen        can anyone give 16974 some love? it really breaks people plack setups
15:18 tcohen        and it happens to be a bit trivial
15:19 cait          bug 16974
15:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions
15:25 cait          oleonard: can i ask you about one more?
15:25 cait          native speaker thing :)
15:25 oleonard      Sure
15:25 cait          https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6934#c103
15:25 huginn        04Bug 6934: enhancement, P3, ---, bouzid.fergani, Signed Off , New report Cash Register Statistics
15:26 cait          it's about "active transactions" - what it means is 'everything where the patrons give money to the library'
15:26 drojf         tcohen: i'll signoff 16974 when your kohacon bid is up :)
15:26 cait          but i didn't get hte meaning and i think it would be nice to have something easier to understand
15:26 cait          maybe 'Payments and credits'?
15:29 cait          drojf: Benutzer mit dem meisten Ausleihen
15:29 cait          it seems it has been there at least from 3.4
15:30 cait          hm 3.2 too
15:38 drojf         cait: ouch. have you changed it in pootle?
15:39 drojf         cait: bug 17017
15:39 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17017 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Signed Off , Dependency fixes for 16.05
15:39 drojf         i used it in the packages without even a signoff. any objections to pushing it?
15:39 cait          drojf: all of them
15:40 cait          nope - trusting you there
16:04 drojf         cait: trusting me is always a good idea ;)
16:06 cait          tsk
16:11 MauricioBR    Good morning colleagues. Please I need your help. I need to import/update users from ldap to koha automatically, I do not remember if there is a perl script to do this??? ... please help me.
16:11 cait          there is no way
16:12 cait          sorry, currently you can't do 'push updates' automatically like that - the update is triggered by the user loggin in
16:12 cait          you can do a patron import via csv - if that is an option - to update your data
16:16 MauricioBR    ok i see. Thank you Cait. And do you think if there is a way to give the necesary parameters to import_borrowers.pl script with another perl script for this work automatically? Sorry my english is not good.
16:17 cait          i think it's not so easy to do patron import from command line at the moment
16:17 cait          there is no specific script for that -mostly done from the GUI
16:18 MauricioBR    ok. Thank you very much for the information.
16:19 cait          maybe try the mailing list
16:19 cait          someone else might have solved your problem
16:27 cait          oleonard: thx!
16:38 cait          drojf ++
16:38 cait          oleonard++
16:38 cait          bye all
17:34 tcohen        drojf: I trust you
18:23 oleonard      UGH. Just lost hours of notes on Bug 15758 to a browser crash. So stupid of me not to save it earlier.
18:23 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15758 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the C4::Branch related code to Koha::Libraries - part 4
21:06 agoforth      I just upgraded to Koha 16.05.02 with the Debian package and created a new instance. When I try to create a patron via the web interface I get this error: "DBIx::Class::Row::store_column(): No such column 'checkprevcheckout' on Koha::Schema::Result::Borrower at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Members.pm line 731" Did I do something wrong or is that a bug?
21:07 cait          where did you update from?
21:07 cait          it might be a bug, but i haven't seen it reported so far
21:08 agoforth      I have http://debian.koha-community.org/koha in my apt sources and I upgraded with "apt-get upgrade".
21:09 cait          i meant the version :)
21:09 agoforth      Oh sorry, 16.05.01
21:13 agoforth      If I comment out line 727 in Members.pm ($new_member->{checkprevcheckout} ||= 'inherit';) then the patron creation seems to work correctly. I guess the question is if the column should be in the borrowers table in my version.
21:17 cait          hm
21:17 cait          i am not aware of that column in master, let me see
21:18 cait          seems to be a column in the categories table in mater
21:18 cait          master
21:19 cait          introduced by bug 6906
21:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Pushed to Master , show 'Borrower has previously issued $ITEM' alert on checkout
21:19 cait          no, it shouldn't be there
21:19 cait          could you file a bug pleaes?
21:20 cait          the feature is only supposed to be in 16.11 (november release)
21:22 agoforth      Sure, be glad to. I haven't filed a Koha bug before. I should create a new bug in Bugzilla, right?
21:24 cait          yes - for product Koha
21:44 agoforth      I wrote bug 17034
21:44 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17034 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Creating a new patron fails due to DB error
21:52 rangi         ahh yeah i see the error
21:53 rangi         this was introduced with commit 878402689eb652b09bed0d4f2c7e458d5c5493f4
21:53 rangi         agoforth: are you comfortable editing a file?
21:53 agoforth      Yes
21:54 rangi         sudo vim /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Members.pm
21:54 rangi         line 727
21:54 rangi         try commenting that line out
21:54 rangi         (you don't have to use vim of course whatever editor you choose)
21:55 agoforth      Yep, I already figured out that would fix it. I even included that in the bug report. :)
21:55 rangi         ah cool
21:55 rangi         i foudn the patch
21:55 rangi         it just needs a revert so ill leave a note on the bug for that
21:56 rangi         Bug 16917 - Error when importing patrons, Column 'checkprevcheckout' cannot be null
21:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16917 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Error when importing patrons, Column 'checkprevcheckout' cannot be null
21:56 rangi         that one, shouldnt be in 16.05
21:57 rangi         hopefully can get a quick revert then a new package/tarball made
21:58 drojf         that's what i get for doing the packages fast :P
21:58 rangi         hehe
22:00 cait          drojf: go to bed heh
22:01 cait          i will :) night!
22:33 drojf         uploading without the patch
22:35 rangi         thanks drojf
22:37 drojf         done
22:38 drojf         agoforth: if you feel adventurous you could try an upgrade and see if the problem is gone
22:42 agoforth      drojf: I did the upgrade and tested again. Patron creation now works properly.
22:42 agoforth      Thanks for the fast turnaround on the fix!
22:43 rangi         yay!
22:43 drojf         cool thanks for trying
23:44 drojf         good night #koha