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18:59 oleonard Bye #koha
18:54 LibraryClaire :D
18:54 magnuse nice!
18:54 wahanui it has been said that pizza is in the oven.
18:54 magnuse pizza?
18:53 nengard drojf fixed
18:51 oleonard Heck, if I get to script my own positive reinforcement I guess I'll pick something else too. Positive karma? Get to go home early!
18:51 drojf nengard: yeah i thought it had passed already. maybe khall can have a look if he's fine with the change
18:51 nengard okay
18:51 nengard there is a typo
18:51 nengard oh i see
18:50 nengard I copied that text from my sys prefs in master drojf
18:50 * LibraryClaire likes free pizza
18:50 cait :)
18:50 drojf it uses your credit card, right?
18:50 drojf let us know when it's done, there will be a lot of pizza
18:50 eythian Planning on making it order a pizza soon
18:49 eythian oleonard: I scripted it so mine does
18:48 drojf so no idea, the new one is not valid yet :P
18:48 drojf ah its not done yet
18:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15929 trivial, P5 - low, ---, c.gravely, Signed Off , typo in explanation for MaxSearchResultsItemsPerRecordStatusCheck
18:48 drojf bug 15929
18:48 drojf or maybe i am confused
18:48 oleonard It'd be nice if every time someone got positive karma the food dispenser in their cage gave them an extra food pellet.
18:47 drojf i think that is the old one
18:47 drojf oh nengard, could you use the new text maybe? it was changed in 15929
18:47 oleonard nengard++
18:46 drojf nengard++
18:46 nengard will show in the web tomorrow
18:46 nengard drojf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f71a01c7b79c08de0a0f6a7f72efe581d2c3de4 done
18:43 nengard so I looked at 20.0 and 22.0
18:43 drojf yes that is odd
18:43 nengard yeah, I read the main ones at the time of release - usually a new sys pref isn't added mid stream
18:41 drojf under new sysprefs
18:41 drojf https://koha-community.org/koha-3-20-8-released/
18:41 drojf https://koha-community.org/koha-3-22-2-released/
18:41 nengard I don't see it in the release notes for either that's how i missed it
18:41 drojf thanks :)
18:41 Joubu ha
18:41 Joubu nengard: 3.23.00.012
18:40 nengard thanks, uploading manual now :)
18:40 drojf nengard: 3.22.2 / 3.20.8
18:38 nengard what version was MaxSearchResultsItemsPerRecordStatusCheck introduced in?
18:05 khall thanks! it was an easy fix, will be up in a moment
18:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16737 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, ASSIGNED , Error when deleting EDIFACT message
18:05 oleonard Bug 16737
18:03 oleonard Sure, can do
18:03 oleonard Thanks for testing. I wanted to make sure it wasn't an artifact of the dummy data I was working with
18:03 khall oleonard: do you want to file a bug while I write a patch?
18:02 khall oleonard: yep, I get an error as well.
17:57 khall oleonard: I let me test that
17:56 oleonard khall still around? I wonder if you get an error when trying to delete an EDIFACT message
17:34 tiosam hola
17:20 drojf argh
17:19 LibraryClaire yay colours :D
17:19 drojf worse than excel is excel with colour coded stuff. i mean, really? :/
17:11 eythian I used gnucash when I wanted an accounting thing, because that's its job.
17:02 drojf [off] working with ads and excel. blergh. don't get kids, you may have to do really ugly things to provide for them
17:01 liw I implemented an accounting to system for my own use as a spreadsheet once. Not in Excel, though, but in gnumeric.
17:00 eythian Oh yes, in previous lives, I've been given some seriously impressive spreadsheets try turn into code.
16:59 drojf [off] a friend said he's going to work for some online marketing things. so he is learning excel. they do all their whatever they do with that. that explains a lot
16:59 eythian That sounds awful
16:59 eythian Hmm
16:59 liw but you'll end up implementing Excel in your test runner
16:58 liw yes you can
16:58 eythian Because you can't unit test a spreadsheet
16:58 drojf hehe
16:58 eythian Per year, due to errors
16:58 eythian It costs the global economy trillions
16:58 LibraryClaire lol
16:58 drojf yes
16:58 eythian That's natural
16:58 drojf wow i hate excel
16:57 eythian Two hours.
16:57 LibraryClaire evening
16:57 drojf eythian: GMT is not so far off :D
16:56 drojf got an excellent cold, all is laggy ;)
16:55 eythian pianohacker: his client responded in GMT so I assume not
16:55 pianohacker recovered from that crazy jetlag yet?
16:54 pianohacker hi drojf !
16:54 drojf hi pianohacker
16:53 drojf its pidgin, so yes
16:53 pianohacker well huh
16:53 eythian drojf: doesn't seem to work for you, maybe your client is terrible.
16:51 eythian drojf: CTCP TIME
16:44 bag yes that is correct
16:43 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10459 - Update Schema <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=42cd9ca1447f4d576d9f1ad51e275e70c8bf9249>
16:36 vfernandes thanks nengard for the explaination
16:36 nengard bag can confirm
16:36 nengard I believe so
16:36 nengard Yes
16:35 vfernandes 16.05.01, 16.05.02 for minor changes and bugs?
16:35 nengard et cetc
16:35 nengard and then 17.05
16:35 nengard the next will be 16.11 (Nov 2016)
16:34 nengard no
16:34 vfernandes nengard: so the following releases will be 16.06 and so on?
16:33 nengard cause we'd be on 3.x forever otherwise :)
16:33 nengard Year.Month
16:33 vfernandes why community decided to call koha 16.05 and not koha 3.24? :)
16:30 wahanui well, an issue is more like "what information do I want to show on jcamins's screenshot." :P
16:30 drojf what is an issue?
16:28 Shane-S I have version 3.20.02 and I wanted to do an update this summer. However, I have done many and it seems to slowly be an issue. So, I thought I would spin up a new VM and then migrate. Can I do 3.20 ->16.05 with the sql backups?
16:12 reiveune bye
16:09 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Longview Hts, Athens, Ohio is 31.0°C (12:09 PM EDT on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
16:09 oleonard @wunder 45701
16:06 mveron hi drojf
16:06 drojf hi mveron
16:06 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 16.0°C (6:00 PM CEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
16:06 mveron @wunder Allschwil
16:05 mveron-away Hi again #koha
16:00 khall Joubu: ack! I'll take a look at fixing that!
15:59 Joubu khall: the schema is not up-to-date, borrowers.updated_on is not there
15:43 cait or do youneed to do something there as well?
15:43 cait but the invoices are get in automatically?
15:42 cait ah
15:41 nengard I need to get that in to the manual - It's on my list
15:41 khall that are other workflows, but they don't really work with Koha yet.
15:41 khall 6) Hit the send edifact order button
15:41 khall 5) Import from staged file
15:40 khall 4) Create a basket for the vendor for that order
15:40 khall 3) In Koha, stage that order marc file
15:40 khall 2) Download the marc order file that gets created
15:40 khall 1) Create a basket of stuff on the vendor site
15:39 khall cait, here's the basic process:
15:36 cait :)
15:36 cait (17:33:10) cait: do you order form the vendor site and it's imported or does koha create the order and sends it to the vendor somehow?
15:36 khall cait: I don't think so, what was it?
15:36 khall excellent! can do!
15:36 oleonard khall: I'll submit a patch and hopefully you can test and make sure my changes make sense with real data :)
15:36 cait khall: did you see my question above about where the ordering happens?
15:35 khall ; )
15:35 * cait sends khall cookies
15:35 oleonard cait: I was thinking of the marc view plain text as well
15:35 khall which explains alot about me
15:35 cait or similar to the marc view plain text
15:34 cait might look a little nicer
15:34 khall humans shoudl not, reading edifact causes brain damange
15:34 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
15:34 drojf @later tell nengard when looking at 15929 i found that the syspref MaxSearchResultsItemsPerRecordStatusCheck is not documented in the manual (or at least i could not find it), could you have a look please?
15:34 cait hm maybe the lined display we have in some other spots?
15:34 oleonard khall: Do you know why a human would want to read that?
15:34 khall I'm not sure how we could improve it, I guess the bullet points aren't really necessary
15:34 khall that's about as readable as edifact gets
15:33 khall oleonard: http://content.screencast.com/users/kylemhall/folders/Jing/media/1492bbba-d91d-4014-b418-60f4e47dd87e/00000018.png
15:33 cait do you order form the vendor site and it's imported or does koha create the order and sends it to the vendor somehow?
15:32 khall oleonard: sure!
15:32 cait so we can do order and receivenow with edifact - is taht a good summary?
15:32 khall the value is created by Koha, not the user
15:32 oleonard khall: Could you show me a couple examples of what the "view message" link shows?
15:32 khall status "should" be translatable
15:32 khall cait: not sure, I know she can though
15:32 cait hm status would be nice if we could made it translatable
15:31 cait i got not much of an idea right now too
15:31 oleonard Yes, thanks khall. I suppose the data in "type" and "status" columns is untranslatable
15:31 cait khall: do you know if nengard is writing up soemthing about how to use edifact?
15:30 khall does that help?
15:30 khall oleonard: http://content.screencast.com/users/kylemhall/folders/Jing/media/60cdcc31-0535-4179-bd3d-f215577c0a64/00000017.png
15:29 vfernandes thanks for the help
15:29 vfernandes kidclamp++ cait++ Joubu++
15:29 vfernandes Joubu: yes, i've checked master to see if the bug was there
15:28 oleonard Seems like a modal would be a good solution for that.
15:28 oleonard It's weird that messages are displayed all by themselves on a separate full page.
15:28 khall oleonard: one sec
15:28 Joubu on master
15:28 Joubu vfernandes: yes, it's fixed
15:28 oleonard khall: I'm interested in particular in what kind of "message" one might see.
15:27 oleonard khall: Maybe random is fine, but I thought I'd ask if someone had examples of real data.
15:27 vfernandes should be: if ( can_load( modules => { 'Cache::Memory' => undef } ) ) {
15:27 vfernandes this line: if ( can_load( modules => { 'Cache::Memory' => undef, nocache => 1 } ) ) {
15:27 vfernandes by some reason in Koha 3.22.06, Koha::Cache is using the nocache attribute on method can_load for Memory::Cache perl module
15:27 oleonard Hi khall. I'm trying to do some cleanup on edifactmsgs.tt but I'm not really sure how it is used. Right now I'm just inserting random data into the db so something shows up.
15:26 khall true ; )
15:26 khall lol
15:26 cait i summoned a khall!
15:26 khall which template file?
15:26 khall oleonard: what's up?
15:25 cait what was it?
15:25 cait vfernandes: yay
15:25 cait i didn't test it, but i know they shoudl ahve :)
15:25 vfernandes cait and kidclamp: I solved my problem
15:25 cait oleonard: maybe khall could help or bag
15:25 oleonard I keep trying to look at the EDIFACT messages template, but I don't really understand how it is used.
15:24 drojf s/related/important/
15:24 Joubu drojf: ok thanks
15:24 drojf but that is still running on wheezy, maybe that is related?
15:24 oleonard I'll ask again now that I'm really here: Is anyone around who is using EDIFACT?
15:24 drojf Joubu: i upgraded my test instances (>20 on one server) and did not have a problem afair
15:23 cait Joubu: didn't try
15:22 Joubu 2 different guys got the same error about the DB schema, that's odd
15:21 Joubu Did anybody upgrade from 3.22 to 16.05 using the packages?
15:17 drojf oleonard: i bet jquery can do that for you
15:15 * oleonard should just go mow the lawn instead
15:15 Joubu oleonard: ha, the second line should be .val() instead of .text()
15:13 drojf hehe wahanui is not dropping that :P
15:13 Joubu oleonard: clicking on "new action" will show the form but the submit button does not have any text
15:13 wahanui i think libraryclaire is the monster under my bed
15:13 rocio hey LibraryClaire!
15:13 oleonard Joubu: :( Okay, back to the drawing board.
15:13 LibraryClaire hi rocio :)
15:13 Joubu oleonard: the change does not work
15:12 Joubu oleonard: ok got it. All this code looks uselessly complicated
15:10 oleonard Joubu: The form is reused for multiple actions, and the JS populates the values in it
15:09 oleonard Joubu: The variables are used to change the legend/button text of the add/edit form
15:09 drojf oleonard should do a jquery workshop in marseille :P
15:09 rocio that would be nice
15:08 Joubu oleonard: yep, but what do they do? :)
15:08 drojf i would appreciate if irc could show the local time of everyone
15:07 oleonard Joubu: Using jQuery instead of document.getElementById() avoids an error if the element doesn't exist
15:07 rocio morning!
15:07 Joubu What do they do?
15:07 Joubu + window.action_submit_value = $("#action_submit").text()
15:07 Joubu + window.modaction_legend_innerhtml = $("#modaction_legend").text();
15:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6148 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Strange Language in opac-authorities-home
15:06 Joubu oleonard: How the 2 lines you modified in your last patch of bug 6148 are useful?
15:06 drojf hi rocio
15:06 gaetan_B bye
15:01 drojf the argumentation is… funny at least
15:00 drojf yes. i did not expect anything like that to happen. and there were a lot of other sponsors that did not do that (luckily)
14:58 oleonard We should probably make sure it's an official part of the process.
14:58 oleonard I thought I remembered there being a discussion before previous KohaCons about what was okay for sponsors to do, i.e. don't spam anyone.
14:57 drojf [off] "met" as in "we were in the same building" i guess, i have no idea who they are and don't think italked to anyone of them
14:57 drojf [off] oleonard: when i asked the spammers to take me from their list, they said "since we met at KohaCon, we sent you a follow up newsletter. We are not going to send you anything else."
14:56 tcohen hi oleonard
14:54 oleonard Hi cait
14:40 cait a oleonard-away ghost
14:40 cait oh
14:38 oleonard Whoops, never mind I am not here.
14:38 oleonard Anyone around who is using EDIFACT?
14:27 vfernandes Koha shouldn't have a default cache service when memcached of fastmmap aren't set?
14:27 kidclamp yeah, I don't knwo details it just sounds very similar
14:24 vfernandes kidclamp: checking the code, Koha::Calendar uses cache
14:23 pastebot "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Koha::Calendar single holidays" (52 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/20
14:21 kidclamp vfernandes that is what pianohacker had to do I think, make calendar use cache, but I don't know bugnumbers
14:18 vfernandes Koha::Calendar for each overdue day is doing a query to the database...
14:15 drojf i assume it started before 3.22.7 for the library that told me. 3.22.6ish maybe
14:15 kidclamp 3.22.06 on the site I know of, usually is plack that goes down, but sometimes zebra, and a diffsite was having just zebra, but I don't know htose detai;s
14:13 tcohen jajm: that's my scenario at least, drojf and kidclamp mentioned they had some too, not sure the specifics
14:12 vfernandes how can I set Koha cache?
14:10 vfernandes thanks cait
14:08 cait vfernandes: not yet, but we only have a few quite small 3.22 so far
14:07 jajm tcohen, users of 3.22.7 ?
14:02 tcohen talking about 3.22
14:02 tcohen something changed recently and introduced it
14:02 tcohen it seems to be recent
14:01 tcohen jajm: users are reporting that zebra "started dying every day" (logrotate?) and mysql dies (memory leak or smth?)
14:01 tcohen drojf: sure
14:00 drojf tcohen: if bots manage to bring it down, we might have a problem :P
13:58 vfernandes cait: do you use cache on your system?
13:58 vfernandes this is a problem with cache
13:54 jajm tcohen, yep, hi!
13:54 tcohen jajm: around?
13:53 tcohen i mitigated it by banning bots, but didn't have the time to dig into it
13:53 drojf they also reported high cpu load
13:53 drojf it's 3.22 and the problem seems to be relatively new
13:53 tcohen drojf: i experienced that too
13:52 kidclamp tcohen - maybe ping larryb when he gets in, I think we have seen similar
13:51 drojf tcohen: i have heard one saying mysql keeps dying. when i checked their zebra was dead too. but not my clients, no server access, can't look into it
13:49 vfernandes and that is super slow!!!!
13:49 vfernandes cait: the problem is that for every day between 2011 and 2016 the calendar checks if is a holiday
13:44 cait hm did we change that?
13:42 vfernandes after some tests the problem is in days_between of Koha::Calendar
13:42 tcohen but the logs make me think it i srelated to log rotation, because zebrasrv is gettting a signal 15
13:42 tcohen i've received two reports from 3.22 users, about zebra "dying" every day
13:40 tcohen hi cait
13:40 vfernandes there is no maxfine
13:40 vfernandes no
13:40 cait vfernandes: have you defined a maxfine?
13:39 vfernandes get_chargeable_units takes a long time
13:39 vfernandes the time calculating the days between a date in 2014 and now is huge....
13:33 tcohen Joubu: around?
13:32 tcohen bonjour
13:25 vfernandes but in the new version is also set to that date
13:22 vfernandes by some reason the date calculation between now and that date takes many time...
13:22 kidclamp or rather :-(
13:22 kidclamp :-)
13:22 vfernandes debarred was being set to '9999-12-31' in the older version
13:21 kidclamp what was it?
13:21 vfernandes kidclamp: i found out what the problem is
13:21 kidclamp vfernandes I think pianohacker has seen this and worked on some imrpovement, but I don't know the details. eh should be in later
13:17 vfernandes but the fines script is running for about 1 hour and it didn't even finished
13:16 vfernandes kidclamp: some holidays
12:22 cait also dates far int he future or far in the past
12:22 cait hm yeah holidays could make a difference
12:16 kidclamp unique holidays vfernandes? (special_holidays is the db table name)
12:15 kidclamp do you have many special holidays?
12:09 vfernandes there is any reason to that?
12:08 vfernandes also when returning an item with fines the operation is also very slow
12:07 vfernandes * is very slow
12:07 vfernandes one strange problem: after updating one koha from 3.12 to 3.22.06 the fines calculation is very slowing
12:06 vfernandes hi #koha
11:50 LibraryClaire Hi oleonard
11:49 magnuse hi oleonard
11:49 oleonard Hi #koha
11:17 LibraryClaire mostly cloudy = raining and wet
11:16 huginn` LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 17.0°C (11:50 AM BST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
11:16 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
11:15 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
11:15 magnuse @wunder boo
11:11 huginn` liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 19.0°C (1:50 PM EEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
11:11 liw @wunder helsinki
11:05 magnuse anyone got a clue how i would go about finding that one person who wants DUEDGST sent via sms?
11:05 magnuse wow, all those db tables related to massaging is kind of confusing...
09:14 * LibraryClaire needs coffee...
09:12 Joubu hi LibraryClaire
09:12 LibraryClaire hi Joubu! :)
09:08 ashimema lol
09:06 Joubu ashimema: good to know you are on qa now :p
09:04 * atheia waves at ashimema
08:58 wahanui somebody said ashimema was on qa now .)
08:58 LibraryClaire hey ashimema!
08:56 ashimema mornin' #koha
08:43 LibraryClaire morning atheia :)
08:38 atheia G'morn :-)
08:21 brinxmat drojf: they're set to run every minute
08:19 drojf brinxmat: do you run the cronjobs manually then?
08:16 brinxmat magnuse: it may just be the way we're testing — the maxfine is not observed
08:12 magnuse brinxmat: how is it not working for you?
07:47 brinxmat May even be how we're testing this (setting the return date to x minutes after it has been borrowed)
07:46 brinxmat All material types, fine 50, interval 3, grace 0, fine cap 100
07:43 brinxmat I wonder if our setting for the smart rule for adults is causing the issue
07:41 brinxmat drojf: yes, we set 100 in this
07:40 drojf what is the problem? did you try MaxFine?
07:37 brinxmat Wondering if anyone can help me with a problem we're having with setting hard cap for fines per patron
07:37 * drojf wants to be on a boat
07:37 drojf hi liw
07:36 * liw waves from a boat in the Helsinki archipelago (4G is a bit weak, but if you see it, it works)
07:36 huginn` brinxmat: The current temperature in Oslo Airport, Norway is 17.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
07:36 brinxmat @wunder oslo, norway
07:36 drojf from that :/
07:36 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 16.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
07:36 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:36 drojf hi brinxmat
07:35 brinxmat From sunny Oslo
07:35 brinxmat Hey folks
07:07 * LibraryClaire waves to everyone
07:05 drojf morning #koha
07:01 alex_a bonjour
06:56 wahanui salut, reiveune
06:56 reiveune hello
06:54 gaetan_B hello
06:49 fridolin hie
06:15 * LibraryClaire waves
06:03 wahanui what's up, jajm
06:03 jajm hello
06:00 Oak hello cait, #koha!
06:00 Oak magnuse
05:54 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha
05:46 * magnuse waves back
05:45 * cait waves
05:13 magnuse bonjour paul_p
05:12 magnuse Oak
05:06 Oak Ahoy me hearties!
04:52 taa especially vol, no, acc no
04:52 taa we wish to import bound volumes excel data in koha how to map multiple records with one biblio