Time Nick Message 04:52 taa we wish to import bound volumes excel data in koha how to map multiple records with one biblio 04:52 taa especially vol, no, acc no 05:06 Oak Ahoy me hearties! 05:12 magnuse Oak 05:13 magnuse bonjour paul_p 05:45 * cait waves 05:46 * magnuse waves back 05:54 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha 06:00 Oak magnuse 06:00 Oak hello cait, #koha! 06:03 jajm hello 06:03 wahanui what's up, jajm 06:15 * LibraryClaire waves 06:49 fridolin hie 06:54 gaetan_B hello 06:56 reiveune hello 06:56 wahanui salut, reiveune 07:01 alex_a bonjour 07:05 drojf morning #koha 07:07 * LibraryClaire waves to everyone 07:35 brinxmat Hey folks 07:35 brinxmat From sunny Oslo 07:36 drojf hi brinxmat 07:36 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:36 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 16.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 07:36 drojf from that :/ 07:36 brinxmat @wunder oslo, norway 07:36 huginn` brinxmat: The current temperature in Oslo Airport, Norway is 17.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 07:36 * liw waves from a boat in the Helsinki archipelago (4G is a bit weak, but if you see it, it works) 07:37 drojf hi liw 07:37 * drojf wants to be on a boat 07:37 brinxmat Wondering if anyone can help me with a problem we're having with setting hard cap for fines per patron 07:40 drojf what is the problem? did you try MaxFine? 07:41 brinxmat drojf: yes, we set 100 in this 07:43 brinxmat I wonder if our setting for the smart rule for adults is causing the issue 07:46 brinxmat All material types, fine 50, interval 3, grace 0, fine cap 100 07:47 brinxmat May even be how we're testing this (setting the return date to x minutes after it has been borrowed) 08:12 magnuse brinxmat: how is it not working for you? 08:16 brinxmat magnuse: it may just be the way we're testing — the maxfine is not observed 08:19 drojf brinxmat: do you run the cronjobs manually then? 08:21 brinxmat drojf: they're set to run every minute 08:38 atheia G'morn :-) 08:43 LibraryClaire morning atheia :) 08:56 ashimema mornin' #koha 08:58 LibraryClaire hey ashimema! 08:58 wahanui somebody said ashimema was on qa now .) 09:04 * atheia waves at ashimema 09:06 Joubu ashimema: good to know you are on qa now :p 09:08 ashimema lol 09:12 LibraryClaire hi Joubu! :) 09:12 Joubu hi LibraryClaire 09:14 * LibraryClaire needs coffee... 11:05 magnuse wow, all those db tables related to massaging is kind of confusing... 11:05 magnuse anyone got a clue how i would go about finding that one person who wants DUEDGST sent via sms? 11:11 liw @wunder helsinki 11:11 huginn` liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 19.0°C (1:50 PM EEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 11:15 magnuse @wunder boo 11:15 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 11:16 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 11:16 huginn` LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 17.0°C (11:50 AM BST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). 11:17 LibraryClaire mostly cloudy = raining and wet 11:49 oleonard Hi #koha 11:49 magnuse hi oleonard 11:50 LibraryClaire Hi oleonard 12:06 vfernandes hi #koha 12:07 vfernandes one strange problem: after updating one koha from 3.12 to 3.22.06 the fines calculation is very slowing 12:07 vfernandes * is very slow 12:08 vfernandes also when returning an item with fines the operation is also very slow 12:09 vfernandes there is any reason to that? 12:15 kidclamp do you have many special holidays? 12:16 kidclamp unique holidays vfernandes? (special_holidays is the db table name) 12:22 cait hm yeah holidays could make a difference 12:22 cait also dates far int he future or far in the past 13:16 vfernandes kidclamp: some holidays 13:17 vfernandes but the fines script is running for about 1 hour and it didn't even finished 13:21 kidclamp vfernandes I think pianohacker has seen this and worked on some imrpovement, but I don't know the details. eh should be in later 13:21 vfernandes kidclamp: i found out what the problem is 13:21 kidclamp what was it? 13:22 vfernandes debarred was being set to '9999-12-31' in the older version 13:22 kidclamp :-) 13:22 kidclamp or rather :-( 13:22 vfernandes by some reason the date calculation between now and that date takes many time... 13:25 vfernandes but in the new version is also set to that date 13:32 tcohen bonjour 13:33 tcohen Joubu: around? 13:39 vfernandes the time calculating the days between a date in 2014 and now is huge.... 13:39 vfernandes get_chargeable_units takes a long time 13:40 cait vfernandes: have you defined a maxfine? 13:40 vfernandes no 13:40 vfernandes there is no maxfine 13:40 tcohen hi cait 13:42 tcohen i've received two reports from 3.22 users, about zebra "dying" every day 13:42 tcohen but the logs make me think it i srelated to log rotation, because zebrasrv is gettting a signal 15 13:42 vfernandes after some tests the problem is in days_between of Koha::Calendar 13:44 cait hm did we change that? 13:49 vfernandes cait: the problem is that for every day between 2011 and 2016 the calendar checks if is a holiday 13:49 vfernandes and that is super slow!!!! 13:51 drojf tcohen: i have heard one saying mysql keeps dying. when i checked their zebra was dead too. but not my clients, no server access, can't look into it 13:52 kidclamp tcohen - maybe ping larryb when he gets in, I think we have seen similar 13:53 tcohen drojf: i experienced that too 13:53 drojf it's 3.22 and the problem seems to be relatively new 13:53 drojf they also reported high cpu load 13:53 tcohen i mitigated it by banning bots, but didn't have the time to dig into it 13:54 tcohen jajm: around? 13:54 jajm tcohen, yep, hi! 13:58 vfernandes this is a problem with cache 13:58 vfernandes cait: do you use cache on your system? 14:00 drojf tcohen: if bots manage to bring it down, we might have a problem :P 14:01 tcohen drojf: sure 14:01 tcohen jajm: users are reporting that zebra "started dying every day" (logrotate?) and mysql dies (memory leak or smth?) 14:02 tcohen it seems to be recent 14:02 tcohen something changed recently and introduced it 14:02 tcohen talking about 3.22 14:07 jajm tcohen, users of 3.22.7 ? 14:08 cait vfernandes: not yet, but we only have a few quite small 3.22 so far 14:10 vfernandes thanks cait 14:12 vfernandes how can I set Koha cache? 14:13 tcohen jajm: that's my scenario at least, drojf and kidclamp mentioned they had some too, not sure the specifics 14:15 kidclamp 3.22.06 on the site I know of, usually is plack that goes down, but sometimes zebra, and a diffsite was having just zebra, but I don't know htose detai;s 14:15 drojf i assume it started before 3.22.7 for the library that told me. 3.22.6ish maybe 14:18 vfernandes Koha::Calendar for each overdue day is doing a query to the database... 14:21 kidclamp vfernandes that is what pianohacker had to do I think, make calendar use cache, but I don't know bugnumbers 14:23 pastebot "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Koha::Calendar single holidays" (52 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/20 14:24 vfernandes kidclamp: checking the code, Koha::Calendar uses cache 14:27 kidclamp yeah, I don't knwo details it just sounds very similar 14:27 vfernandes Koha shouldn't have a default cache service when memcached of fastmmap aren't set? 14:38 oleonard Anyone around who is using EDIFACT? 14:38 oleonard Whoops, never mind I am not here. 14:40 cait oh 14:40 cait a oleonard-away ghost 14:54 oleonard Hi cait 14:56 tcohen hi oleonard 14:57 drojf [off] oleonard: when i asked the spammers to take me from their list, they said "since we met at KohaCon, we sent you a follow up newsletter. We are not going to send you anything else." 14:57 drojf [off] "met" as in "we were in the same building" i guess, i have no idea who they are and don't think italked to anyone of them 14:58 oleonard I thought I remembered there being a discussion before previous KohaCons about what was okay for sponsors to do, i.e. don't spam anyone. 14:58 oleonard We should probably make sure it's an official part of the process. 15:00 drojf yes. i did not expect anything like that to happen. and there were a lot of other sponsors that did not do that (luckily) 15:01 drojf the argumentation is… funny at least 15:06 gaetan_B bye 15:06 drojf hi rocio 15:06 Joubu oleonard: How the 2 lines you modified in your last patch of bug 6148 are useful? 15:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6148 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Strange Language in opac-authorities-home 15:07 Joubu + window.modaction_legend_innerhtml = $("#modaction_legend").text(); 15:07 Joubu + window.action_submit_value = $("#action_submit").text() 15:07 Joubu What do they do? 15:07 rocio morning! 15:07 oleonard Joubu: Using jQuery instead of document.getElementById() avoids an error if the element doesn't exist 15:08 drojf i would appreciate if irc could show the local time of everyone 15:08 Joubu oleonard: yep, but what do they do? :) 15:09 rocio that would be nice 15:09 drojf oleonard should do a jquery workshop in marseille :P 15:09 oleonard Joubu: The variables are used to change the legend/button text of the add/edit form 15:10 oleonard Joubu: The form is reused for multiple actions, and the JS populates the values in it 15:12 Joubu oleonard: ok got it. All this code looks uselessly complicated 15:13 Joubu oleonard: the change does not work 15:13 LibraryClaire hi rocio :) 15:13 oleonard Joubu: :( Okay, back to the drawing board. 15:13 rocio hey LibraryClaire! 15:13 wahanui i think libraryclaire is the monster under my bed 15:13 Joubu oleonard: clicking on "new action" will show the form but the submit button does not have any text 15:13 drojf hehe wahanui is not dropping that :P 15:15 Joubu oleonard: ha, the second line should be .val() instead of .text() 15:15 * oleonard should just go mow the lawn instead 15:17 drojf oleonard: i bet jquery can do that for you 15:21 Joubu Did anybody upgrade from 3.22 to 16.05 using the packages? 15:22 Joubu 2 different guys got the same error about the DB schema, that's odd 15:23 cait Joubu: didn't try 15:24 drojf Joubu: i upgraded my test instances (>20 on one server) and did not have a problem afair 15:24 oleonard I'll ask again now that I'm really here: Is anyone around who is using EDIFACT? 15:24 drojf but that is still running on wheezy, maybe that is related? 15:24 Joubu drojf: ok thanks 15:24 drojf s/related/important/ 15:25 oleonard I keep trying to look at the EDIFACT messages template, but I don't really understand how it is used. 15:25 cait oleonard: maybe khall could help or bag 15:25 vfernandes cait and kidclamp: I solved my problem 15:25 cait i didn't test it, but i know they shoudl ahve :) 15:25 cait vfernandes: yay 15:25 cait what was it? 15:26 khall oleonard: what's up? 15:26 khall which template file? 15:26 cait i summoned a khall! 15:26 khall lol 15:26 khall true ; ) 15:27 oleonard Hi khall. I'm trying to do some cleanup on edifactmsgs.tt but I'm not really sure how it is used. Right now I'm just inserting random data into the db so something shows up. 15:27 vfernandes by some reason in Koha 3.22.06, Koha::Cache is using the nocache attribute on method can_load for Memory::Cache perl module 15:27 vfernandes this line: if ( can_load( modules => { 'Cache::Memory' => undef, nocache => 1 } ) ) { 15:27 vfernandes should be: if ( can_load( modules => { 'Cache::Memory' => undef } ) ) { 15:27 oleonard khall: Maybe random is fine, but I thought I'd ask if someone had examples of real data. 15:28 oleonard khall: I'm interested in particular in what kind of "message" one might see. 15:28 Joubu vfernandes: yes, it's fixed 15:28 Joubu on master 15:28 khall oleonard: one sec 15:28 oleonard It's weird that messages are displayed all by themselves on a separate full page. 15:28 oleonard Seems like a modal would be a good solution for that. 15:29 vfernandes Joubu: yes, i've checked master to see if the bug was there 15:29 vfernandes kidclamp++ cait++ Joubu++ 15:29 vfernandes thanks for the help 15:30 khall oleonard: http://content.screencast.com/users/kylemhall/folders/Jing/media/60cdcc31-0535-4179-bd3d-f215577c0a64/00000017.png 15:30 khall does that help? 15:31 cait khall: do you know if nengard is writing up soemthing about how to use edifact? 15:31 oleonard Yes, thanks khall. I suppose the data in "type" and "status" columns is untranslatable 15:31 cait i got not much of an idea right now too 15:32 cait hm status would be nice if we could made it translatable 15:32 khall cait: not sure, I know she can though 15:32 khall status "should" be translatable 15:32 oleonard khall: Could you show me a couple examples of what the "view message" link shows? 15:32 khall the value is created by Koha, not the user 15:32 cait so we can do order and receivenow with edifact - is taht a good summary? 15:32 khall oleonard: sure! 15:33 cait do you order form the vendor site and it's imported or does koha create the order and sends it to the vendor somehow? 15:33 khall oleonard: http://content.screencast.com/users/kylemhall/folders/Jing/media/1492bbba-d91d-4014-b418-60f4e47dd87e/00000018.png 15:34 khall that's about as readable as edifact gets 15:34 khall I'm not sure how we could improve it, I guess the bullet points aren't really necessary 15:34 oleonard khall: Do you know why a human would want to read that? 15:34 cait hm maybe the lined display we have in some other spots? 15:34 drojf @later tell nengard when looking at 15929 i found that the syspref MaxSearchResultsItemsPerRecordStatusCheck is not documented in the manual (or at least i could not find it), could you have a look please? 15:34 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded. 15:34 khall humans shoudl not, reading edifact causes brain damange 15:34 cait might look a little nicer 15:35 cait or similar to the marc view plain text 15:35 khall which explains alot about me 15:35 oleonard cait: I was thinking of the marc view plain text as well 15:35 * cait sends khall cookies 15:35 khall ; ) 15:36 cait khall: did you see my question above about where the ordering happens? 15:36 oleonard khall: I'll submit a patch and hopefully you can test and make sure my changes make sense with real data :) 15:36 khall excellent! can do! 15:36 khall cait: I don't think so, what was it? 15:36 cait (17:33:10) cait: do you order form the vendor site and it's imported or does koha create the order and sends it to the vendor somehow? 15:36 cait :) 15:39 khall cait, here's the basic process: 15:40 khall 1) Create a basket of stuff on the vendor site 15:40 khall 2) Download the marc order file that gets created 15:40 khall 3) In Koha, stage that order marc file 15:40 khall 4) Create a basket for the vendor for that order 15:41 khall 5) Import from staged file 15:41 khall 6) Hit the send edifact order button 15:41 khall that are other workflows, but they don't really work with Koha yet. 15:41 nengard I need to get that in to the manual - It's on my list 15:42 cait ah 15:43 cait but the invoices are get in automatically? 15:43 cait or do youneed to do something there as well? 15:59 Joubu khall: the schema is not up-to-date, borrowers.updated_on is not there 16:00 khall Joubu: ack! I'll take a look at fixing that! 16:05 mveron-away Hi again #koha 16:06 mveron @wunder Allschwil 16:06 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 16.0°C (6:00 PM CEST on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 16:06 drojf hi mveron 16:06 mveron hi drojf 16:09 oleonard @wunder 45701 16:09 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Longview Hts, Athens, Ohio is 31.0°C (12:09 PM EDT on June 14, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 16:12 reiveune bye 16:28 Shane-S I have version 3.20.02 and I wanted to do an update this summer. However, I have done many and it seems to slowly be an issue. So, I thought I would spin up a new VM and then migrate. Can I do 3.20 ->16.05 with the sql backups? 16:30 drojf what is an issue? 16:30 wahanui well, an issue is more like "what information do I want to show on jcamins's screenshot." :P 16:33 vfernandes why community decided to call koha 16.05 and not koha 3.24? :) 16:33 nengard Year.Month 16:33 nengard cause we'd be on 3.x forever otherwise :) 16:34 vfernandes nengard: so the following releases will be 16.06 and so on? 16:34 nengard no 16:35 nengard the next will be 16.11 (Nov 2016) 16:35 nengard and then 17.05 16:35 nengard et cetc 16:35 vfernandes 16.05.01, 16.05.02 for minor changes and bugs? 16:36 nengard Yes 16:36 nengard I believe so 16:36 nengard bag can confirm 16:36 vfernandes thanks nengard for the explaination 16:43 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10459 - Update Schema <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=42cd9ca1447f4d576d9f1ad51e275e70c8bf9249> 16:44 bag yes that is correct 16:51 eythian drojf: CTCP TIME 16:53 eythian drojf: doesn't seem to work for you, maybe your client is terrible. 16:53 pianohacker well huh 16:53 drojf its pidgin, so yes 16:54 drojf hi pianohacker 16:54 pianohacker hi drojf ! 16:55 pianohacker recovered from that crazy jetlag yet? 16:55 eythian pianohacker: his client responded in GMT so I assume not 16:56 drojf got an excellent cold, all is laggy ;) 16:57 drojf eythian: GMT is not so far off :D 16:57 LibraryClaire evening 16:57 eythian Two hours. 16:58 drojf wow i hate excel 16:58 eythian That's natural 16:58 drojf yes 16:58 LibraryClaire lol 16:58 eythian It costs the global economy trillions 16:58 eythian Per year, due to errors 16:58 drojf hehe 16:58 eythian Because you can't unit test a spreadsheet 16:58 liw yes you can 16:59 liw but you'll end up implementing Excel in your test runner 16:59 eythian Hmm 16:59 eythian That sounds awful 16:59 drojf [off] a friend said he's going to work for some online marketing things. so he is learning excel. they do all their whatever they do with that. that explains a lot 17:00 eythian Oh yes, in previous lives, I've been given some seriously impressive spreadsheets try turn into code. 17:01 liw I implemented an accounting to system for my own use as a spreadsheet once. Not in Excel, though, but in gnumeric. 17:02 drojf [off] working with ads and excel. blergh. don't get kids, you may have to do really ugly things to provide for them 17:11 eythian I used gnucash when I wanted an accounting thing, because that's its job. 17:19 drojf worse than excel is excel with colour coded stuff. i mean, really? :/ 17:19 LibraryClaire yay colours :D 17:20 drojf argh 17:34 tiosam hola 17:56 oleonard khall still around? I wonder if you get an error when trying to delete an EDIFACT message 17:57 khall oleonard: I let me test that 18:02 khall oleonard: yep, I get an error as well. 18:03 khall oleonard: do you want to file a bug while I write a patch? 18:03 oleonard Thanks for testing. I wanted to make sure it wasn't an artifact of the dummy data I was working with 18:03 oleonard Sure, can do 18:05 oleonard Bug 16737 18:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16737 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, ASSIGNED , Error when deleting EDIFACT message 18:05 khall thanks! it was an easy fix, will be up in a moment 18:38 nengard what version was MaxSearchResultsItemsPerRecordStatusCheck introduced in? 18:40 drojf nengard: 3.22.2 / 3.20.8 18:40 nengard thanks, uploading manual now :) 18:41 Joubu nengard: 3.23.00.012 18:41 Joubu ha 18:41 drojf thanks :) 18:41 nengard I don't see it in the release notes for either that's how i missed it 18:41 drojf https://koha-community.org/koha-3-22-2-released/ 18:41 drojf https://koha-community.org/koha-3-20-8-released/ 18:41 drojf under new sysprefs 18:43 nengard yeah, I read the main ones at the time of release - usually a new sys pref isn't added mid stream 18:43 drojf yes that is odd 18:43 nengard so I looked at 20.0 and 22.0 18:46 nengard drojf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f71a01c7b79c08de0a0f6a7f72efe581d2c3de4 done 18:46 nengard will show in the web tomorrow 18:46 drojf nengard++ 18:47 oleonard nengard++ 18:47 drojf oh nengard, could you use the new text maybe? it was changed in 15929 18:47 drojf i think that is the old one 18:48 oleonard It'd be nice if every time someone got positive karma the food dispenser in their cage gave them an extra food pellet. 18:48 drojf or maybe i am confused 18:48 drojf bug 15929 18:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15929 trivial, P5 - low, ---, c.gravely, Signed Off , typo in explanation for MaxSearchResultsItemsPerRecordStatusCheck 18:48 drojf ah its not done yet 18:48 drojf so no idea, the new one is not valid yet :P 18:49 eythian oleonard: I scripted it so mine does 18:50 eythian Planning on making it order a pizza soon 18:50 drojf let us know when it's done, there will be a lot of pizza 18:50 drojf it uses your credit card, right? 18:50 cait :) 18:50 * LibraryClaire likes free pizza 18:50 nengard I copied that text from my sys prefs in master drojf 18:51 nengard oh i see 18:51 nengard there is a typo 18:51 nengard okay 18:51 drojf nengard: yeah i thought it had passed already. maybe khall can have a look if he's fine with the change 18:51 oleonard Heck, if I get to script my own positive reinforcement I guess I'll pick something else too. Positive karma? Get to go home early! 18:53 nengard drojf fixed 18:54 magnuse pizza? 18:54 wahanui it has been said that pizza is in the oven. 18:54 magnuse nice! 18:54 LibraryClaire :D 18:59 oleonard Bye #koha