Time Nick Message 00:57 wizzyrea A+ 01:00 wizzyrea Some things in that I'd like to do, like the go kart thing 01:00 wizzyrea and the zip line. 01:13 ibeardslee A road trip to Rotorua and back will give you a chance to get a lot of that in 05:59 LibraryClaire Morning #koha 06:03 cait morning LibraryClaire :) 06:03 LibraryClaire Hi cait :) 06:06 drojf morning 06:08 LibraryClaire Hi drojf :) 06:09 drojf hi LibraryClaire :) 06:09 drojf installing more koha? ;) 06:09 LibraryClaire Heh, not yet. Stupidly forgot to turn off my alarm though so I'm awake far too early 06:10 drojf more playtime! 06:10 LibraryClaire I'm gonna need more tea... 06:12 * Oak waves 06:14 drojf hi Oak 06:14 Oak hello drojf ! 06:16 * LibraryClaire waves 06:17 Oak hello LibraryClaire 06:17 cait hi Oak, drojf 06:20 Oak Ahoy cait 06:20 Oak be back in a bit 06:20 fridolin hie 06:20 LibraryClaire Hi fridolin 06:22 drojf hi cait 06:28 Oak cait, do you have 5 minutes to spare? 06:29 cait not now, but maybe a bit late? 06:29 cait later? 06:29 wahanui alligator 06:29 Oak sure cool. 06:29 cait getting ready for work 06:29 Oak no problem :) 06:56 reiveune hello 07:10 * magnuse waves 07:10 Oak hello reiveune 07:10 magnuse Oak 07:10 Oak magnuse 07:10 magnuse \o/ 07:10 Oak \o/ 07:10 Oak :) 07:10 reiveune salut 07:10 * magnuse is happy there is hackfest in marseille right now 07:11 magnuse s/is/is no/ 07:11 magnuse gah 07:14 Oak geek. 07:15 alex_a bonjour 07:15 wahanui bonjour, alex_a 07:15 Oak as a complement of course. 07:16 Oak Bojour monsieur alex_a 07:25 eythian wahanui: hi 07:25 wahanui kia ora, eythian 07:26 eythian wahanui: elephant is <reply>https://i.imgur.com/gbgBqdB.gifv 07:26 wahanui OK, eythian. 07:26 magnuse Oak: i was thinking of the football-related violence in marseille :-( 07:29 Oak Oh. 07:29 * Oak Googles that 07:33 Oak [off] hmm. real messed up things going on in world, and these guys are fighting over a stupid sports game. 07:35 magnuse [off] word! 07:37 cait good morning #koha (again) :) 07:37 * LibraryClaire waves 07:37 * Oak waves 07:40 * magnuse waves 07:40 * magnuse gets seasick 07:40 cait heh 07:42 cait Joubu: do you know if it's normal that qa-test-tools fail on a kohadevbox? 07:49 * Oak goes to boot the devbox and update repos and see what's up... 07:50 cait or magnuse maybe? 07:50 Oak magnuse... for devbox questions? 07:52 magnuse i have not tried it in a while, but i would think the qa tools should work 07:52 magnuse cait: hoe do they fail? 07:53 magnuse s/hoe/how/ 07:53 Oak magnuse, it was my question to cait 07:53 magnuse can't type today 07:54 Oak it's that at first they worked fine. then I started having them fail on simple bugs. only thing I can thik of is that may be I was not supposed to do apt get upgrade on the devbox ? 07:54 magnuse i don't *think* that should be a problem 07:55 Oak hmm 07:55 magnuse but tcohen - bless him - has changed the devbox a lot since last time i used it 07:55 Oak I have not used in around three weeks... trying it now. 08:14 atheia Good morning! 08:14 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 08:14 atheia Fair point wahanui, fair point. 08:17 magnuse kia ora atheia 08:17 eythian cait: http://i.imgur.com/QFm6SCE.png 08:17 atheia Yassas magnuse :-) 08:19 drojf hi atheia 08:20 marcelr hi #koha 08:20 drojf hi marcelr 08:22 LibraryClaire hi atheia 08:23 LibraryClaire hi marcelr 08:23 magnuse atheia: had any more time for ill? i won't get around to it until august or september, prolly 08:24 * cait waves at atheia 08:26 cait eythian: heh 08:27 * atheia waves back at cait 08:27 atheia magnuse: Yeah, I did some poking and kicking. I'm now at testing the final thing and writing unit tests. Hopefully you'll have the final API then when you need to work :-) 08:28 atheia hello LibraryClaire :-) 08:28 LibraryClaire :) 08:30 magnuse atheia: awesome! 08:30 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse 08:30 eythian wahanui: awesome is also <reply>That'll be €1 for the awesome jar, $who 08:30 wahanui okay, eythian. 08:31 magnuse so it's a bit more expensive for europeans? 08:31 drojf lol 08:31 LibraryClaire haha 08:32 magnuse wahanui: awesome is also <reply>That'll be NOK 10 for the awesome jar, $who 08:32 wahanui okay, magnuse. 08:32 drojf awesome 08:32 drojf heh, it was for free 08:39 magnuse huh? if i have to pay, everyone should pay! 08:39 drojf norway can cover for all of us 08:41 magnuse oy, we're not even meembers of the eu here! 08:43 drojf it's ok if you just pay :P 08:44 eythian you've got all that oil money, after all 08:46 magnuse yeah, but that is mine all mine moahahahahah 08:47 drojf :( 08:47 drojf sharing is caring and all that 08:47 drojf put it on git 08:47 LibraryClaire lol 08:47 eythian https://www.nbim.no/ <-- I do like this site 08:47 eythian well, though maybe the norwegians don't right now, it just seems to be going down 08:48 eythian oh, never mind, going up again 08:49 magnuse :-) 08:56 eythian wahanui: technical debt is http://oddy.cc/kettlemachine.jpg 08:56 wahanui OK, eythian. 09:02 LibraryClaire laters #koha :) 09:59 drojf is discharge management known to cause problems? i have a library reporting they can't circulate anymore but get a message that they are not allowed to discharge 09:59 cait hm 10:00 cait 16.05? 10:00 cait there was a bug report 10:00 drojf 3.22.7 10:00 cait hm haven't seen that yet, but could be a side effect maybe? 10:01 cait no obvious bug i can find 10:01 cait bug 16673 10:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Discharge message appearing incorrectly 10:01 cait this looks promising 10:02 cait lunch time, brb 10:02 drojf that looks like it, thanks 10:03 cait drojf: a search for discharge didn't find it because it links duplicate to 16670 - but if you search "ALL discharge" ou also find closed and duplicate ones :) 10:03 drojf ah. tricky 10:03 drojf cait++ 10:31 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:31 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 15.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on June 13, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 11:17 cait Joubu++ 11:31 * LibraryClaire waves 11:32 * cait waves back 11:34 * magnuse gets seasick again 11:38 * druthb waves to magnuse 11:39 LibraryClaire :) 11:45 magnuse druthb! 11:45 wahanui She's really more trouble than she's worth, you know? 11:45 * magnuse doubts it 11:45 druthb it's true. 11:45 wahanui I saw it on Digg! 11:45 druthb See? 11:46 druthb even the bot knows. 11:46 magnuse well, that bot "knows" a lot of werid things, i suspect 11:46 druthb germs? 11:46 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 11:47 magnuse for example :-) 11:48 magnuse well, that one is correct of course 11:48 magnuse kia ora meliss! 11:48 meliss hi magnuse 11:49 druthb kia ora, oleonard. :) 11:50 oleonard Hi druthb and everyone 12:07 drojf got spam by one of the kohacon sponsors :/ 12:08 oleonard Name and shame? 12:08 drojf [off] datascouting 12:08 LibraryClaire ah yeah I just got something too 12:10 kidclamp morning 12:11 LibraryClaire hi kidclamp 12:12 kidclamp hi LibraryClaire, how's today today? 12:13 LibraryClaire today is all good :) 12:34 tcohen morning 12:36 tcohen bonjour 12:37 kidclamp morning tcohen 13:19 oleonard From DataScouting on Twitter when I asked if they spammed KohaCon attendees: "Indeed we sent a NL today but from a publicly available list. No intention of spam, we can assure you." 13:19 drojf lol 13:20 drojf hm yeah i should send a newsletter to everyone that has their address on the web 13:24 oleonard Now "We are a sponsor and exhibitor so it's not spam." 13:24 tcohen hi drojf 13:26 tcohen drojf: any news about the ES deps on master packages? 13:29 drojf hi tcohen 13:29 drojf you would have to ask gmcharlt_ about that 13:30 gmcharlt tcohen: coming mid-week 13:31 tcohen hi gmcharlt 13:31 tcohen ok 13:31 tcohen i need those for the new jenkins nodes 13:31 tcohen and kohadevbox 13:31 wahanui hmmm... kohadevbox is at https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox 13:57 gaetan_B hello 13:57 wahanui hey, gaetan_B 13:57 tcohen hi gaetan_B 13:57 tcohen "" 13:59 LibraryClaire hi gaetan_B 14:00 tcohen hi LibraryClaire 14:00 LibraryClaire hi tcohen :) 14:02 oleonard Is anyone here who was at the post-KohaCon16 hackfest? I'm curious how it went. 14:03 LibraryClaire I was there, I thought it was great but I was also very much learning the basics :) 14:06 eythian oleonard: it was probably the biggest one to date 14:14 oleonard I saw photos of the space on Twitter and it looked great 14:16 cait LibraryClaire wrote 2 patches 14:16 cait oleonard: i loved the green 'library' lamps :) 14:16 cait it was the reading room fo the library - was really nice 14:17 eythian yes, good location for it 14:29 vfernandes hi #koha 14:32 oleonard Hi vfernandes 14:32 vfernandes oleonard: it's possible to change the barcode (Code39) font and font size hardcoded? 14:33 oleonard vfernandes: I don't know, sorry. 14:33 vfernandes thanks anyway... the barcodes are not being correctly printed in our clients Zebra printers 14:36 oleonard vfernandes: We use Zebra printers as well, but instead of trying to print directly from Koha we export label batches and print using the Zebra printer software. 14:39 vfernandes the barcodes are exported in PDF, them they are printed... the title and another labels are printed fine, the barcode number under the barcode bars isn't printed correctly because of the font type/size 14:46 oleonard Sorry folks, we are no longer able to offer this item, but its title will live on in our memory: https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=376636 14:46 LibraryClaire oh wow :D 14:51 vfernandes oleonard: problem solved for now.... PDF::Reuse::Barcode defines the font type as Courier and the font size as 10... 14:57 oleonard I'm glad our "How to get listed" guidelines include the seemingly obvious requirement that companies offer Koha support. 14:57 cait hm? 14:58 tcohen oleonard: you mean it could be worse? :-D 14:58 oleonard Catching up on email, reading the request from "Kamang Investment" 14:59 reiveune bye 15:12 * oleonard wonders why someone is adding themselves as a CC on closed XSS bugs 15:13 cait drojf: around? when did we finish the hackfest on friday? 15:15 cait in berlin... 15:44 Joubu cait: are you using the last version of the qa tools? 15:50 tcohen hi Joubu ! 15:51 Joubu hi tcohen 15:59 Joubu @later tell cait qa tools tests fail because of the "used only once: possible typo" warnings 15:59 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded. 16:03 Joubu It's not just you! http://jenkins.koha-community.org looks down from here. 16:03 Joubu hum? 16:03 Joubu tcohen: Are you aware of that? 16:04 mveron-away Hi #koha 16:05 cait hey Joubu - Oak was asking earlier today 16:06 mveron-away vfernandes: Regarding labels and barcode size see Bug 14149 16:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14149 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Labels: Make barcode width and height scaling editable 16:21 mveron Oh, the links from Online help to the Koha manuals are broken (with 16.05.00.000 and with current master 16.06.00.002 ) 16:21 mveron For 16.05 it tries to display: http://manual.koha-community.org/16.4/en/aboutkoha.html 16:22 mveron For current master the link is: http://manual.koha-community.org/16.06/en/aboutkoha.html 16:23 mveron (for the About page) 16:23 cait hm not sure where that is generated 16:23 cait file a bug maybe for a starting point? 16:25 bag it’s 16.05 16:25 bag http://manual.koha-community.org/16.05/en/index.html 16:25 bag but I see what you are saying mveron 16:25 bag :) 16:25 drojf cait: you worked until the very end, before we went to dinner. 18:00ish? we had the table for 19 16:25 drojf berlin hackfest i mean 16:26 cait aaah 16:26 cait too bad, now i wrote 17 16:26 cait but it's alright 16:26 cait thx! 16:27 mveron bag: Yes, the link that it tries to display, not the link where it should go... 16:28 bag yes yes :) I see what you mean after I pasted the link in here :P 16:35 Joubu pianohacker: bug 16166 is waiting for your QA stamp :) 16:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16166 enhancement, P2, ---, abl, Signed Off , Improve L1 cache performance and safety 16:35 Joubu bug 16715 is passed qa 16:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Passed QA , Koha::Cache - Use Sereal for serialization 16:37 mveron Bug 16724 16:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16724 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Link from online help to manual broken (as of version 16.05) 16:37 pianohacker Joubu: saw the updates! 16:37 pianohacker Will do that today 17:05 mveron Bye #koha 17:24 Joubu hi jenkins_koha! 17:25 Joubu good to see you back 17:30 taa i have excel sheet of bound volumes i wish to get all volumes of title together from excel file 17:30 taa what way i can map the record so that all bound volumes will be clubbed together with single biblo 17:39 bag clubbing serials - I was just getting ready to answer that one 17:40 bag there really isn’t a binding area with Koha… so most work arounds would have to happen there. I’d migrate the serials into the notes section of a biblio - or as items 17:41 drojf argh Joubu already did a patch for 16724 :D 17:42 Joubu drojf: sorry, I should have assigned it to me 17:42 drojf i should have done the same or added me to cc :D 17:43 Joubu drojf: the patch is not supposed to be backported, so I don't think it's needed to test if $version < 16 17:43 drojf that must have been close. i thought mveron had attached a patch already and wanted to sign off on it, then there was none so i wrote one 17:44 drojf yep i will sign off on yours 17:44 drojf which is exactly the same apart from that :D 17:55 nengard hey folks, I'm documenting https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14686 and I see a message that says "Note: No upload categories have been defined. All uploads will be marked as temporary." how do i add a category? 17:55 huginn` 04Bug 14686: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , New menu option and permission for file uploading 17:57 Joubu nengard: it's an authorised value 17:57 nengard oh!!!! 17:57 Joubu nengard: I don't remember which one, but try "UPLOAD" 17:57 nengard Joubu I don't see UPLOAD - I'll create it and see 17:58 Joubu yep, it's UPLOAD (looking at the code) 17:58 nengard okay, yeah, we need taht documented!! will do 17:59 Joubu yes, maybe it should be added to the message :) 17:59 nengard what happens to temporary files? 18:00 Joubu they are put in a temporary directory 18:00 Joubu so deleted on next reboot of the server 18:00 Joubu iirc 18:01 nengard good to know 18:02 Joubu bye #koha! 18:03 oleonard We don't really have a good way to handle authorized values which aren't created by default 18:04 oleonard Seems like there are other cases where you have to know that an authorized value is necessary and you have to know what the category code is 18:07 drojf yes that should either be done by magic or manually provided with the feature 18:09 oleonard I think I'm missing the Perl module which enables magic 18:13 cait :) 18:13 cait there sare some that are always listed, wether you use them or not 18:14 cait would it help to do that for all values? 18:16 oleonard As long as there are no unwanted consequences of there being default values present 18:17 oleonard For instance, might there be a check somewhere which says, "If any value is present for this authorized value, do this?" 18:18 cait there are no values actually 18:18 cait in the db 18:18 cait it just is hardcoded to the pull down 18:19 cait i think bsort asort are some of those 18:19 cait it's a template thing i think - so should not have any effect 18:40 oleonard Now that there is a general-purpose file upload manager, can we get custom uploads of sounds, authorized value images, CSS files, XSL files...? 18:58 drojf oleonard: the upload part is probably easy, checking for custom things and including them on top of the standard things might be more work 18:59 oleonard See you later #koha 18:59 drojf that scared him away :/ 19:32 LibraryClaire hello 19:32 wahanui bidet, LibraryClaire 20:41 pianohacker eythian: working on rebasing the ES browse code back into shape, could I ask you about an error? 20:43 eythian You can always ask 🙂 20:45 pianohacker eythian: ... title__suggestion] is not a completion suggest field .. 20:46 pianohacker as far as I can tell, it's marked as suggestible in search_marc_to_field, and I've done an ES index rebuild. Any thoughts? 20:47 eythian Hmm 20:47 eythian Is that coming from es? 20:47 pianohacker eythian: yup, I get that error when I click Search on opac-browse.pl 20:47 eythian If so, dump the mapping that koha provides and see why it's not defining it correctly. 20:48 pianohacker I can pastebin the whole hunka crap if it's useful 20:48 pianohacker eythian: how do I do that? 20:48 eythian Actually, there might be a way to ask es for the mapping. 20:48 pianohacker hmm... 20:49 eythian But I'd get it from koha. Put a dumper call after where the mapping is generated in whichever ES module does that. 20:49 eythian Probably Koha::Elasticsearch 20:49 pianohacker eythian: can confirm, http://localhost:9200/koha_pianohacker_biblios/_mapping has title__suggestion as a basic string index 20:50 eythian OK, see what the code is supposed to create it with I guess 20:50 eythian I don't have it handy 20:51 pianohacker eythian: dropping the index and rebuilding fixed it. Any idea why it was wrong to begin with? 20:54 eythian No idea, but for some reason the mapping was wrong 20:54 eythian Maybe an old index or something 21:13 aleisha hi all 21:16 LibraryClaire hi aleisha 21:18 wizzyrea hi aleisha 21:19 aleisha :) 21:20 * cait waves 21:22 wizzyrea hi cait 21:22 drojf wizzyrea: regarding website translation, how is that going to work? do we get a user account to do the german translation? 21:22 wizzyrea Do lists have the ability to add a blurb to go along with it? 21:23 wizzyrea yeah, you'll need one. I need to spend some time with it to figure out how it's going to work - it went a bit stupid and I think it might have a bug 21:23 wizzyrea so it's currently disabled 21:23 wizzyrea or a bazillion bugs 21:23 wizzyrea who's to say 21:23 drojf heh 21:23 wizzyrea nm I'll just go look at the lists. 21:23 wizzyrea the reason I ask is because I think we really need a way to make those able to be richer content. 21:24 wizzyrea "here's a list presented without comment" is kind of a lame list. 21:25 wizzyrea I really ought to write down these ideas I have floating in my head atm 21:29 cait i think ther eis a bug open 21:29 cait for adding comments to list items 21:29 cait but old without a patch 21:32 cait bug 813 21:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=813 enhancement, P2, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC lists should store comments 21:32 wizzyrea 813! 21:32 cait yep exactly 21:32 wizzyrea hilarious 21:32 eythian Archeological 21:32 cait it's probably not even usper hard to do 21:32 cait i kept it on my list of 'someday' 21:32 wizzyrea lol it has to be done just on principle. 21:32 wizzyrea I have just written down a few other things 21:33 wizzyrea I'm thinking about lists as a tool of current awareness 21:33 wizzyrea so yeah, having an intro blurb 21:33 wizzyrea add an item to a list at cataloguing time 21:33 wizzyrea add a blurb about an individual item that only applies to the list displya 21:34 wizzyrea tag an item in categories that only applies to the lists, for filtering. 21:34 wizzyrea that last is ehh maybe not 21:35 wizzyrea make lists that can be automatically activated and deactivated on a schedule, like the news. 21:35 drojf you have a long list of list stuff 21:35 wizzyrea bus thoughts. 21:35 wizzyrea [off] this is an area bibliocommons does better than us and we need to catch up and exceed them. 21:36 wizzyrea but really it's about the borrowers, how can we make it easier for librarians to curate and share resources 21:37 wizzyrea add items to a list that aren't associated with the catalogue, like a video or URL 21:38 wizzyrea external resources, I guess is how you'd phrase that 21:39 drojf catalogue a youtube video as a bibliographic record and then display the video in the list 21:39 * drojf hides 21:39 cait heh 21:39 cait i have to go to sleep - make sure bugs are filed :) 21:39 cait night all 21:39 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 21:40 drojf good night cait 21:40 LibraryClaire night cait 21:58 wizzyrea drojf: that's the current solution, yes. But youtube does a fine job of cataloguing their things 21:58 wizzyrea fine enough, anyway. 22:00 tmcmahon I see in batch patron deletion that there is an option to move the records to the trash. Where is trash stored and how would you remove records from the trash? 22:14 tmcmahon After a little testing I found out that moving patrons to the trash puts the records in the deleteborrowers table and deleting them doesn't. I still don't know how you'd recover records from there. 22:53 pianohacker bye all 23:19 LibraryClaire night #koha