Time Nick Message 23:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 22:13 wizzyrea it'll be a major pain in the butt, hope you're ready ;) 22:11 mveron ...but it's late, let's call it a day. 22:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16346 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, In Discussion , Website should be translatable 22:10 * mveron is glad about Bug 16346 22:07 mveron Good nighttime / daytime #koha 22:03 holey testing only now 22:01 rangi hi holey 22:00 holey Hi all 21:48 cait wizzyrea++ :) 21:48 wizzyrea cait++ 21:44 cait Offizielle Webseite der Bibliothekssoftware Koha 21:44 cait Das erste freie und Open-Source-Bibliothekssystem der Welt! 21:44 wizzyrea or "official website of Koha library software" 21:44 wizzyrea how about "The worlds first free and open source library system" 21:43 wizzyrea ok, easier 21:43 cait it's hard! 21:42 cait um 21:42 wizzyrea i want to test our multilang wordpress :P 21:42 wizzyrea Koha is a fully featured, scalable library management system. Development is sponsored by libraries of varying types and sizes, volunteers, and support companies worldwide. 21:42 wizzyrea cait, what would the german translation of this be 21:41 cait yeah :) 21:40 wizzyrea general request, if you spot the official one before I do, please let me know so I can update the photo on the website. I might miss the "team self organised into a heart" photo though. 21:39 wizzyrea Hm ok! 21:35 rangi yeah not sure 21:35 cait it might not b the official one - the one in the video seems different? 21:31 cait https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj70wc7WsAAkkM5.jpg ? 21:30 cait i think there was one on twitter - but not sure where lese 21:30 rangi http://www.livemedia.com/kohacon16 <-- not one here 21:30 cait hm 21:30 wizzyrea group* 21:30 wizzyrea I saw the one from the last day but it didn't look like the full grou[ 21:29 rangi they took one, not sure where it ended up 21:29 wizzyrea do we have a new very nice group photo from kohacon? 21:28 rangi sleep well 21:28 LibraryClaire Hm, throat feels full of tiny knives, bed for me. Night #koha 21:06 cait :) 21:05 rangi good luck 21:05 LibraryClaire heh good luck! 21:05 cait wish me luck :) 21:05 * cait is going to face 1000 bug mails onw 21:01 cait i was home about 2pm 21:01 cait we had quite a pleasant trip this time... but i think next time it will be harder again 21:01 cait ugh 21:00 rangi only 4 less than me this time, i had less sitting in airport time on the way back 21:00 LibraryClaire ouch 21:00 bag I have the lag of jet 21:00 bag yup 28 hours 20:59 cait bag: did you make it home well too? I think we just missed you at the airport 20:57 bag :) 20:57 cait I think it's safe to say we can all agree on 'yum' 20:57 bag nice :) 20:57 cait bag: sharing the peanut butter goodness with the coworkers 20:57 cait hi bag :) 20:56 LibraryClaire hi bag 20:56 cait it's on my whiteboard onw 20:56 LibraryClaire yes 20:56 bag heya 20:56 cait i printed it even heh 20:55 cait yep 20:55 rangi did you get your certificates? 20:55 LibraryClaire spreading the love 20:55 rangi may as well make everyone else sick too eh? :-) 20:54 LibraryClaire nah, I went in today, though it was potentially the wrong choice 20:54 cait staying home? 20:54 LibraryClaire it's worse 20:54 cait meh :( 20:54 LibraryClaire not great :( 20:53 cait how are you feeling now? cold gone? 20:53 cait no me :) i got lost in the big email pile 20:51 LibraryClaire cait: yes I did thanks, it would have been more pleasant without being ill but it was ok! 20:51 rangi i spot the hand of eythian 20:51 LibraryClaire lol 20:51 rangi hehehe 20:50 wahanui LibraryClaire is, like, the monster under my bed 20:50 LibraryClaire me? 20:50 cait haven't been around much here the last 2 days - did you get back well? 20:50 LibraryClaire hi cait :) 20:50 cait hey LibraryClaire :) 20:50 rangi hey cait and LibraryClaire 20:49 LibraryClaire hi rangi! 20:49 cait morning and welcome back rnagi 20:49 rangi morning 19:36 tcohen shift -1 19:35 tcohen nye #lpha 16:42 kidclamp yeah, indexOf( input_label ) is finding 'to' in guarantorxxx and assuming you want to show 'to' 16:36 kidclamp though it shouldn't :D 16:35 kidclamp yup, thanks (sorta) I think it might be hitting that 'to' in guarantor 16:35 Joubu and you will see the extra expiry date field 16:34 Joubu kidclamp: fill patronquickaddfields with surname|sex|guarantorxxx 16:34 Joubu ??? 16:34 Joubu but guarantorxxx 16:34 Joubu kidclamp: ho wait, it does not work with xxx 16:33 Joubu kidclamp: yes and it won't be easy to support. Would be good to add a note in the pref description 16:32 kidclamp if guarantor form is needed I think it makes more sense/is easier to pull it over wholesale if present 16:31 kidclamp hrm..I will keep investigating 16:31 Joubu kidclamp: no, BorrowerMandatoryField contains firstname|surname 16:28 kidclamp joubu - you don't have expiry date set to required do you? I can't recreate what you saw 16:13 * mveron is called for dinner 16:10 huginn 04Bug 16686: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab 16:10 khall Joubu: updated: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 16:05 mveron Template process failed: undef error - Can't call method "_columns" without a package or object reference at /usr/share/kohaclone/Koha/Object.pm line 266. 16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab 16:05 mveron Hi khall, I get an error while testing Bug 16686 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Proposal to uniform the placement of submit buttons 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Signed Off , Item edit screen should use floating toolbar like cataloging interface 15:54 Joubu bug 11089 and bug 16400 are waiting for QA pov 15:54 * cait vanishes again 15:54 cait so many emails from being away :( 15:54 * cait waves 15:53 Joubu khall: and not sure it's a good idea to call 3x GetTransfers 15:53 drojf later #koha 15:52 khall ah, will do! 15:52 Joubu khall: datesent needs to be fixed as well 15:51 khall np! 15:51 Joubu thx khall! 15:51 huginn 04Bug 16686: major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab 15:51 khall Joubu: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 15:36 LibraryClaire :) 15:32 talljoy hi LibraryClaire 15:27 LibraryClaire Hi talljoy 15:25 talljoy it is still 'barely' morning. i slept well last night after all that travel 15:24 Joubu morning talljoy 15:24 Joubu khall: thanks 15:23 talljoy morning #koha 15:23 khall Joubu: I'll take a look! 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab 15:23 Joubu khall: Are you aware of bug 16686? Any idea how we could fix it? 15:16 reiveune1 bye 15:02 polar_ in 2015 there is mentioned a Internet Archive Bookreader. Is that related to eBooks lending then? Sorry for asking. So many options to look at :) 14:57 polar_ hmmm, has Koha native support for eBook lending? I found two websites saying "we use a system based on Koha". Does this mean Koha out of the box does not support eBooks? 14:51 tcohen ah 14:51 tcohen Context.pm:383 14:51 Joubu or $dbms => 1 14:50 Joubu tcohen: yes, but the template is testing [% IF mysql %] and there is not $template->param( mysql => 1 ) in the script 14:50 Joubu I have to log twice 14:50 Joubu tcohen: note that I have an issue also, I get "Error: IP address has changed. Please log in again " after a logout > login 14:49 tcohen config->db_scheme 14:48 Joubu tcohen: I don't find where this var is set 14:47 polar_ Joubu: Yes I noticed :). 14:46 polar_ bye for now, thanks for the chat ! 14:46 Joubu it seems that the "mysql" var is not set and it assumes that you are using postgresql 14:44 tcohen exactly! 14:44 Joubu tcohen: why is it refering to the postgres doc? 14:44 Joubu (smiley missing) 14:43 Joubu Koha 3 is outdated, the current version is 16.05 14:43 tcohen https://snag.gy/ynWe3P.jpg 14:42 tcohen Joubu: well, this message is fun 14:38 polar_ OK, will be doing some reading up on this. Found a well documented book "Koha 3 Library Management System by Savitra Sirohi & Amit Gupta". Nice late night reading :). 14:37 tcohen ("English" instead of the usual "en", hehe) 14:37 tcohen even the templates are picking the language names from the DB 14:36 tcohen Joubu: I'm not sure 14:35 Joubu tcohen: How could I recreate? 14:35 Joubu tcohen: nothing useful at first glance 14:34 polar_ drojf: But I also write my own eBooks. Right now I put them on an eCommerce platform, free for download for my subscriber clients. But I gues building a library could be an alternative way to go. 14:33 kidclamp polar_: I think you have to evaluate that yourself - koha is intended as an ILS, offering full functions for libraries. It is great software and does a lot and has a wonderful community if you need it. 14:33 tcohen Joubu ^^^^ 14:33 tcohen https://snag.gy/mh0GPR.jpg 14:32 polar_ drojf: Yes I want to implement it, because in the world we live in, DRM is an evil we have to live with :) 14:31 Joubu tcohen: something in the logs? 14:30 tcohen like it had caching issues! 14:30 polar_ So the actual question remains. If the main goal is to catalogue eBooks and offer a web interface for browsing the metadata, and downloading a copy of the document, and Calibre does the job, is their any specific reason why I should consider Koha? It looks like a mighty fine piece of software. 14:30 tcohen Joubu: I have master installed, DB created, and it sends me to the install process 14:26 drojf you just said you want to implement it 14:25 polar_ agree with that drojf 14:25 drojf i hope it will have none at all 14:25 drojf i don't think drm will have a bright future as part of koha 14:21 huginn polar_: I suck 14:21 wahanui RDA is my cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad 14:21 polar_ huginn: What is RDA? 14:21 drojf polar_: drm stuff usually happens outside of koha. on the side of providers of such kind of things. like the ebsco plugin 14:20 wahanui yep. 14:20 Joubu tcohen: yep? 14:19 polar_ drojf: Reason I strart without DRM is to keep it simple. Learn the basics, get a basic system running, later implement DRM. 14:19 rocio buen dia 14:18 drojf polar_: koha does not really do what you are looking for then. and i don't see the point in doing that. limiting access to something that has no reason to be limited is strange 14:18 polar_ But FYI, DRM is not important for my project. 14:18 polar_ I assume as soon as one uses DRM protected eBooks, Koha will need a plugin ro something to f.ex. Adobe DRM server? 14:17 kidclamp :-) 14:16 polar_ Kidclamp: Thx :) 14:16 kidclamp no @'s needed in this channel polar_ , just the username 14:15 huginn polar_: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 14:15 polar_ @drojf: Well that is what basically is done now with use of Calibre_eBooks. The web UI xxx:9090 gives acces to book information like "Big" cover image and book description + downloadlink of the CBR file. But I have no user control. Other then that it does the job. So I guess that Koha will give more "user" management. Could be interesting to see how Koha actually removes or disables the eBook after f.ex. 10 days of lending. 14:14 kidclamp being able to actually circulate an e-item always sounds cool to me, but then I get thinking it smacks of building in DRM 14:12 huginn polar_: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 14:12 polar_ @kidclamp: Yes, that was what I was thinking also. Thx for the reply. 14:08 drojf hi bag 14:07 bag morning 14:07 drojf or actually circulate it (for whatever reason and in whatever way)? 14:06 drojf polar_: download/loan a non drm book means you want a link to a file? 14:04 kidclamp hi polar_, it sounds interesting, I don't think koha currently has a method for checking out e-materials (in the sense of only making them available to user after checkout) but for cataloging and providing access it could be used 13:58 polar_ Hi all, new to Koha. Just started digging into ebooks. Installed a windows based platform with Calibre-ebooks. Works great for me, but does not support lending, only web based downloading. Just wondering if Koha could be more practical. Just want an interface that makes it easy for users to download/loan non-DMR ebooks, but with a nice GUI. No big project, just for privat use. Is Koha right, or maybe overkill? Please your advice. 13:07 tcohen Joubu: around? 12:51 LibraryClaire I can hear thunder :O 12:51 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 23.0°C (1:20 PM BST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 12:51 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 12:51 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 21.0°C (2:30 PM CEST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 12:51 mveron @wunder Allschwil 12:50 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 12:50 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 12:44 mveron hi drojf 12:43 drojf hi mveron 12:38 mveron hey andreashm 12:38 andreashm hey mveron 12:36 mveron Hi #koha 12:21 tcohen hey andreashm 12:21 andreashm hi tcohen 12:20 tcohen hi drojf! 12:20 tcohen gmcharlt: thanks 12:20 drojf hi tcohen 12:20 tcohen hola #koha 12:16 LibraryClaire hi drojf 12:16 drojf hi LibraryClaire 12:16 drojf hackfest was fun 12:15 * LibraryClaire waves 12:15 andreashm how was your hackfest? 12:15 andreashm hey drojf! 12:15 drojf hi andreashm 12:14 * andreashm waves 11:54 drojf Joubu: for self checkout. but also for only authentication with another service? 11:24 Joubu drojf: 'circulate' 10:55 drojf what permissions would i grant to a sip user account for authentication? borrowers and nothing else? 10:25 drojf libdbix-runsql-perl 10:25 drojf yes 10:24 eythian if so, yes. 10:24 eythian is it DBIx::RunSQL? 10:23 drojf ah, the fix for mysql 5.7 i guess 10:14 drojf do we have a new dependency in 3.22.7? seems like a dist-upgrade is needed 10:13 drojf back 09:46 * drojf changes offices 09:32 drojf yes. i saw the thing (HAN server) speaks ldap. but just now i saw it also speaks sip2. so if there is no reason not to use that, it would be my favourite 09:31 eythian that sounds like an awful idea 09:31 eythian nooo 09:30 drojf the proposed option was an odbc connection to the koha db, that did not sound very attractive 09:29 drojf yes, that is the thing that would make it easier, because that ldap server does not exist yet :) 09:29 eythian sip2 means you can use koha as a user database. 09:28 drojf i have seen that people use SIP2 in Koha to talk to EZproxy. any reason not to do that? i was looking into using ldap, but sip2 may be an easier way 09:24 Joubu drojf: yes, bcrypt 09:08 drojf [off] ah, interesting. also do beer vouchers for bars and i can outsource all the things to you :D 09:06 eythian [off] drojf: well, we're starting to sell tickets to things like museums and stuff. So need to know how the actual process works. 09:04 drojf what do we use to hash passwords atm? bcrypt? 08:57 drojf not sure how marcel's work relates to yours. do you have so many servers that you put them in other people's buildings? 08:56 drojf ha awesome 08:54 eythian I get to work, and discover that we have a class trip to Marcel's work this afternoon to test one of our systems. 08:53 drojf looks like i'm here 08:53 drojf test 08:38 wahanui OK, eythian. 08:38 eythian wahanui: wizzycray is wizzyrea running on a supercomputer 07:27 drojf hi dcook 07:06 * dcook also waves to drojf1 07:06 dcook Salut French folk :) 07:06 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 07:06 dcook @later tell cait Could you take a look at bug 13023? 07:05 fridolin hie there 07:01 matts hi #koha ! 07:00 wahanui hello, jajm 07:00 jajm hello 06:55 reiveune hello 06:47 wahanui bonjour, alex_a 06:47 alex_a bonjour 06:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Enable the indexer daemon by default 06:33 mtj dcook: yes, bug 16190 uses /usr/sbin/koha-indexer 06:04 dcook I don't know. I recall Tomas having figured it out for the community :p 06:04 dcook Or maybe that doesn't use koha-indexer 06:03 dcook We use an indexing daemon and it works well 06:03 * dcook is glad for this :D 06:03 dcook Ah yes, I think that uses koha-indexer? 06:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Enable the indexer daemon by default 06:02 mtj dcook: bug 16190 05:55 dcook mtj: indexing-daemon? 05:52 mtj i was saying that switching to indexing-daemon, reduced server load :) 05:51 mtj dcook: barton is having some server load problems, yes - but not me 05:50 taa from whr 05:50 mtj ..disable 'mandatory' setting, for a marc tag 05:50 mtj i think you need to edit your marc frameworks taa 05:43 taa what is command to customize default tag list 05:43 taa how to get only required tags for data entry instead of all tags 05:32 dcook We index every few seconds, and we haven't had any problems 05:31 dcook mtj: Is there an issue with server load? 04:56 magnuse /me waves 04:32 mtj dcook: hmm, it matters - because one option potentially reduces server load 04:23 * dcook will see what tcohen says 04:23 wizzyrea dunno, haven't tested it 04:23 dcook It seems like we're using Ansible on the host instead? 04:23 dcook wizzyrea: I don't know why we wouldn't just use Ansible locally on the VM created by Vagrant 04:21 dcook mtj: Btw, you might find this relevant: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/shadow-registers.html 04:18 dcook mtj: Why does it matter? 04:18 wizzyrea know 04:18 wizzyrea but I don't really mnow 04:18 wizzyrea I don't think it works that way 04:18 * dcook loves Ansible 04:18 mtj ..i thought there would be some overhead in starting many small indexing jobs, at least 04:18 dcook Is that like this: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/tree/legacy ? 04:18 wizzyrea the ansible one is probably generally better 04:17 wizzyrea I have a fork of the bash one. 04:17 dcook wizzyrea: I thought the ansible one was the only option now? 04:17 wizzyrea (yet.) 04:17 * wizzyrea doesn't use the ansible one 04:16 dcook O_o 04:16 mtj wizzyrea: i kinda thought it would be generally more 'efficient' to do a big bunch of zebra updates every 5 mins - than a few updates, every 10 secs 04:11 schnydszch it's in my to do list today, to test a patch, patch 9701 :) 04:10 schnydszch no problem dcook :) I just used PTFS Europe's 04:09 dcook Probably not for another 2-3 hours 04:09 schnydszch Any biblibre folks here now? 04:06 schnydszch dcook, NP, in case someone can help.. I'll just try other sandboxes 04:06 dcook Have you been working on Koha for 3 years? Wow, time flies by... 04:05 Francesca yeah it would have been about 3 years now since I had a windows computer 04:05 dcook Like me, it probably makes sense to ask the listserv 04:05 dcook schnydszch: I don't have knowledge about your issue, unfortunately. 04:04 dcook Francesca: Interesting... was that a long time ago? I'm thinking maybe tcohen added Ansible later https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox 04:04 schnydszch When I open http://pro.test7.biblibre.com/ it points me to the web installer but I don't have the credentials, it should be sent in the email right? 04:03 Francesca dcook: ansible? also I used to have koahdevbox on windows before I got my mac 04:02 schnydszch first was because someone's using the devbox 04:02 dcook Francesca: Interesting. Due to the Ansible dependency, it seems that you can only use it on Mac or Linux? 04:02 Francesca to do stuff 04:02 schnydszch dcook, I got email on the first try but second and third, none 04:02 Francesca on my mac 04:02 Francesca I think I've used kohadevbox before 04:02 dcook :( 04:01 Francesca I have a cold 04:01 * dcook is actually looking for folk who use kohadevbox.. 04:01 dcook Francesca: Oh, stuff and things. You? 04:01 dcook Sorry, schnydszch. I haven't looked at that one before. 04:01 wahanui everything. 04:01 Francesca sup? 04:00 wahanui Francesca is a musical front end cat person 04:00 dcook hey Francesca 04:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9701 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joachim.ganseman, Needs Signoff , Configure default indicator 04:00 schnydszch Hello Koha community, I'm trying to test a patch for bug 9701, using biblibre sandbox, the test7 one, it seems I'm not getting email after filling all the required fields 04:00 Francesca hi dcook 04:00 * dcook waves 03:55 wizzyrea or would just do them as they came in 03:55 wizzyrea because it wouldn't have so many to do at a time 03:55 wizzyrea but the daemon would help that 03:54 wizzyrea that would put a quintillion index updates into the queue 03:54 wizzyrea I've been wondering if the setting that puts the last issue date in the record, requiring a reindex, causes trouble on these high transaction libraries 03:51 mtj ..i'm not quite sure why the load has dropped, tbh - still curious about that 03:50 mtj hey wizzyrea :) 03:45 wizzyrea I suspect it really would for high change volume libraries 03:43 huginn mtj: The operation succeeded. 03:43 mtj @later tell barton recently switching to the indexing daemon has actually dropped the server load, for us :) 02:33 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 02:33 gmcharlt @later tell tcohen I've dropped a new master package 00:59 geek_cl Magnus Enger is here now() ?