Time Nick Message 00:59 geek_cl Magnus Enger is here now() ? 02:33 gmcharlt @later tell tcohen I've dropped a new master package 02:33 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 03:43 mtj @later tell barton recently switching to the indexing daemon has actually dropped the server load, for us :) 03:43 huginn mtj: The operation succeeded. 03:45 wizzyrea I suspect it really would for high change volume libraries 03:50 mtj hey wizzyrea :) 03:51 mtj ..i'm not quite sure why the load has dropped, tbh - still curious about that 03:54 wizzyrea I've been wondering if the setting that puts the last issue date in the record, requiring a reindex, causes trouble on these high transaction libraries 03:54 wizzyrea that would put a quintillion index updates into the queue 03:55 wizzyrea but the daemon would help that 03:55 wizzyrea because it wouldn't have so many to do at a time 03:55 wizzyrea or would just do them as they came in 04:00 * dcook waves 04:00 Francesca hi dcook 04:00 schnydszch Hello Koha community, I'm trying to test a patch for bug 9701, using biblibre sandbox, the test7 one, it seems I'm not getting email after filling all the required fields 04:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9701 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joachim.ganseman, Needs Signoff , Configure default indicator 04:00 dcook hey Francesca 04:00 wahanui Francesca is a musical front end cat person 04:01 Francesca sup? 04:01 wahanui everything. 04:01 dcook Sorry, schnydszch. I haven't looked at that one before. 04:01 dcook Francesca: Oh, stuff and things. You? 04:01 * dcook is actually looking for folk who use kohadevbox.. 04:01 Francesca I have a cold 04:02 dcook :( 04:02 Francesca I think I've used kohadevbox before 04:02 Francesca on my mac 04:02 schnydszch dcook, I got email on the first try but second and third, none 04:02 Francesca to do stuff 04:02 dcook Francesca: Interesting. Due to the Ansible dependency, it seems that you can only use it on Mac or Linux? 04:02 schnydszch first was because someone's using the devbox 04:03 Francesca dcook: ansible? also I used to have koahdevbox on windows before I got my mac 04:04 schnydszch When I open http://pro.test7.biblibre.com/ it points me to the web installer but I don't have the credentials, it should be sent in the email right? 04:04 dcook Francesca: Interesting... was that a long time ago? I'm thinking maybe tcohen added Ansible later https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox 04:05 dcook schnydszch: I don't have knowledge about your issue, unfortunately. 04:05 dcook Like me, it probably makes sense to ask the listserv 04:05 Francesca yeah it would have been about 3 years now since I had a windows computer 04:06 dcook Have you been working on Koha for 3 years? Wow, time flies by... 04:06 schnydszch dcook, NP, in case someone can help.. I'll just try other sandboxes 04:09 schnydszch Any biblibre folks here now? 04:09 dcook Probably not for another 2-3 hours 04:10 schnydszch no problem dcook :) I just used PTFS Europe's 04:11 schnydszch it's in my to do list today, to test a patch, patch 9701 :) 04:16 mtj wizzyrea: i kinda thought it would be generally more 'efficient' to do a big bunch of zebra updates every 5 mins - than a few updates, every 10 secs 04:16 dcook O_o 04:17 * wizzyrea doesn't use the ansible one 04:17 wizzyrea (yet.) 04:17 dcook wizzyrea: I thought the ansible one was the only option now? 04:17 wizzyrea I have a fork of the bash one. 04:18 wizzyrea the ansible one is probably generally better 04:18 dcook Is that like this: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/tree/legacy ? 04:18 mtj ..i thought there would be some overhead in starting many small indexing jobs, at least 04:18 * dcook loves Ansible 04:18 wizzyrea I don't think it works that way 04:18 wizzyrea but I don't really mnow 04:18 wizzyrea know 04:18 dcook mtj: Why does it matter? 04:21 dcook mtj: Btw, you might find this relevant: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/shadow-registers.html 04:23 dcook wizzyrea: I don't know why we wouldn't just use Ansible locally on the VM created by Vagrant 04:23 dcook It seems like we're using Ansible on the host instead? 04:23 wizzyrea dunno, haven't tested it 04:23 * dcook will see what tcohen says 04:32 mtj dcook: hmm, it matters - because one option potentially reduces server load 04:56 magnuse /me waves 05:31 dcook mtj: Is there an issue with server load? 05:32 dcook We index every few seconds, and we haven't had any problems 05:43 taa how to get only required tags for data entry instead of all tags 05:43 taa what is command to customize default tag list 05:50 mtj i think you need to edit your marc frameworks taa 05:50 mtj ..disable 'mandatory' setting, for a marc tag 05:50 taa from whr 05:51 mtj dcook: barton is having some server load problems, yes - but not me 05:52 mtj i was saying that switching to indexing-daemon, reduced server load :) 05:55 dcook mtj: indexing-daemon? 06:02 mtj dcook: bug 16190 06:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Enable the indexer daemon by default 06:03 dcook Ah yes, I think that uses koha-indexer? 06:03 * dcook is glad for this :D 06:03 dcook We use an indexing daemon and it works well 06:04 dcook Or maybe that doesn't use koha-indexer 06:04 dcook I don't know. I recall Tomas having figured it out for the community :p 06:33 mtj dcook: yes, bug 16190 uses /usr/sbin/koha-indexer 06:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Enable the indexer daemon by default 06:47 alex_a bonjour 06:47 wahanui bonjour, alex_a 06:55 reiveune hello 07:00 jajm hello 07:00 wahanui hello, jajm 07:01 matts hi #koha ! 07:05 fridolin hie there 07:06 dcook @later tell cait Could you take a look at bug 13023? 07:06 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 07:06 dcook Salut French folk :) 07:06 * dcook also waves to drojf1 07:27 drojf hi dcook 08:38 eythian wahanui: wizzycray is wizzyrea running on a supercomputer 08:38 wahanui OK, eythian. 08:53 drojf test 08:53 drojf looks like i'm here 08:54 eythian I get to work, and discover that we have a class trip to Marcel's work this afternoon to test one of our systems. 08:56 drojf ha awesome 08:57 drojf not sure how marcel's work relates to yours. do you have so many servers that you put them in other people's buildings? 09:04 drojf what do we use to hash passwords atm? bcrypt? 09:06 eythian [off] drojf: well, we're starting to sell tickets to things like museums and stuff. So need to know how the actual process works. 09:08 drojf [off] ah, interesting. also do beer vouchers for bars and i can outsource all the things to you :D 09:24 Joubu drojf: yes, bcrypt 09:28 drojf i have seen that people use SIP2 in Koha to talk to EZproxy. any reason not to do that? i was looking into using ldap, but sip2 may be an easier way 09:29 eythian sip2 means you can use koha as a user database. 09:29 drojf yes, that is the thing that would make it easier, because that ldap server does not exist yet :) 09:30 drojf the proposed option was an odbc connection to the koha db, that did not sound very attractive 09:31 eythian nooo 09:31 eythian that sounds like an awful idea 09:32 drojf yes. i saw the thing (HAN server) speaks ldap. but just now i saw it also speaks sip2. so if there is no reason not to use that, it would be my favourite 09:46 * drojf changes offices 10:13 drojf back 10:14 drojf do we have a new dependency in 3.22.7? seems like a dist-upgrade is needed 10:23 drojf ah, the fix for mysql 5.7 i guess 10:24 eythian is it DBIx::RunSQL? 10:24 eythian if so, yes. 10:25 drojf yes 10:25 drojf libdbix-runsql-perl 10:55 drojf what permissions would i grant to a sip user account for authentication? borrowers and nothing else? 11:24 Joubu drojf: 'circulate' 11:54 drojf Joubu: for self checkout. but also for only authentication with another service? 12:14 * andreashm waves 12:15 drojf hi andreashm 12:15 andreashm hey drojf! 12:15 andreashm how was your hackfest? 12:15 * LibraryClaire waves 12:16 drojf hackfest was fun 12:16 drojf hi LibraryClaire 12:16 LibraryClaire hi drojf 12:20 tcohen hola #koha 12:20 drojf hi tcohen 12:20 tcohen gmcharlt: thanks 12:20 tcohen hi drojf! 12:21 andreashm hi tcohen 12:21 tcohen hey andreashm 12:36 mveron Hi #koha 12:38 andreashm hey mveron 12:38 mveron hey andreashm 12:43 drojf hi mveron 12:44 mveron hi drojf 12:50 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 12:50 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 12:51 mveron @wunder Allschwil 12:51 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 21.0°C (2:30 PM CEST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 12:51 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY 12:51 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 23.0°C (1:20 PM BST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 12:51 LibraryClaire I can hear thunder :O 13:07 tcohen Joubu: around? 13:58 polar_ Hi all, new to Koha. Just started digging into ebooks. Installed a windows based platform with Calibre-ebooks. Works great for me, but does not support lending, only web based downloading. Just wondering if Koha could be more practical. Just want an interface that makes it easy for users to download/loan non-DMR ebooks, but with a nice GUI. No big project, just for privat use. Is Koha right, or maybe overkill? Please your advice. 14:04 kidclamp hi polar_, it sounds interesting, I don't think koha currently has a method for checking out e-materials (in the sense of only making them available to user after checkout) but for cataloging and providing access it could be used 14:06 drojf polar_: download/loan a non drm book means you want a link to a file? 14:07 drojf or actually circulate it (for whatever reason and in whatever way)? 14:07 bag morning 14:08 drojf hi bag 14:12 polar_ @kidclamp: Yes, that was what I was thinking also. Thx for the reply. 14:12 huginn polar_: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 14:14 kidclamp being able to actually circulate an e-item always sounds cool to me, but then I get thinking it smacks of building in DRM 14:15 polar_ @drojf: Well that is what basically is done now with use of Calibre_eBooks. The web UI xxx:9090 gives acces to book information like "Big" cover image and book description + downloadlink of the CBR file. But I have no user control. Other then that it does the job. So I guess that Koha will give more "user" management. Could be interesting to see how Koha actually removes or disables the eBook after f.ex. 10 days of lending. 14:15 huginn polar_: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 14:16 kidclamp no @'s needed in this channel polar_ , just the username 14:16 polar_ Kidclamp: Thx :) 14:17 kidclamp :-) 14:18 polar_ I assume as soon as one uses DRM protected eBooks, Koha will need a plugin ro something to f.ex. Adobe DRM server? 14:18 polar_ But FYI, DRM is not important for my project. 14:18 drojf polar_: koha does not really do what you are looking for then. and i don't see the point in doing that. limiting access to something that has no reason to be limited is strange 14:19 rocio buen dia 14:19 polar_ drojf: Reason I strart without DRM is to keep it simple. Learn the basics, get a basic system running, later implement DRM. 14:20 Joubu tcohen: yep? 14:20 wahanui yep. 14:21 drojf polar_: drm stuff usually happens outside of koha. on the side of providers of such kind of things. like the ebsco plugin 14:21 polar_ huginn: What is RDA? 14:21 wahanui RDA is my cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad 14:21 huginn polar_: I suck 14:25 drojf i don't think drm will have a bright future as part of koha 14:25 drojf i hope it will have none at all 14:25 polar_ agree with that drojf 14:26 drojf you just said you want to implement it 14:30 tcohen Joubu: I have master installed, DB created, and it sends me to the install process 14:30 polar_ So the actual question remains. If the main goal is to catalogue eBooks and offer a web interface for browsing the metadata, and downloading a copy of the document, and Calibre does the job, is their any specific reason why I should consider Koha? It looks like a mighty fine piece of software. 14:30 tcohen like it had caching issues! 14:31 Joubu tcohen: something in the logs? 14:32 polar_ drojf: Yes I want to implement it, because in the world we live in, DRM is an evil we have to live with :) 14:33 tcohen https://snag.gy/mh0GPR.jpg 14:33 tcohen Joubu ^^^^ 14:33 kidclamp polar_: I think you have to evaluate that yourself - koha is intended as an ILS, offering full functions for libraries. It is great software and does a lot and has a wonderful community if you need it. 14:34 polar_ drojf: But I also write my own eBooks. Right now I put them on an eCommerce platform, free for download for my subscriber clients. But I gues building a library could be an alternative way to go. 14:35 Joubu tcohen: nothing useful at first glance 14:35 Joubu tcohen: How could I recreate? 14:36 tcohen Joubu: I'm not sure 14:37 tcohen even the templates are picking the language names from the DB 14:37 tcohen ("English" instead of the usual "en", hehe) 14:38 polar_ OK, will be doing some reading up on this. Found a well documented book "Koha 3 Library Management System by Savitra Sirohi & Amit Gupta". Nice late night reading :). 14:42 tcohen Joubu: well, this message is fun 14:43 tcohen https://snag.gy/ynWe3P.jpg 14:43 Joubu Koha 3 is outdated, the current version is 16.05 14:44 Joubu (smiley missing) 14:44 Joubu tcohen: why is it refering to the postgres doc? 14:44 tcohen exactly! 14:46 Joubu it seems that the "mysql" var is not set and it assumes that you are using postgresql 14:46 polar_ bye for now, thanks for the chat ! 14:47 polar_ Joubu: Yes I noticed :). 14:48 Joubu tcohen: I don't find where this var is set 14:49 tcohen config->db_scheme 14:50 Joubu tcohen: note that I have an issue also, I get "Error: IP address has changed. Please log in again " after a logout > login 14:50 Joubu I have to log twice 14:50 Joubu tcohen: yes, but the template is testing [% IF mysql %] and there is not $template->param( mysql => 1 ) in the script 14:51 Joubu or $dbms => 1 14:51 tcohen Context.pm:383 14:51 tcohen ah 14:57 polar_ hmmm, has Koha native support for eBook lending? I found two websites saying "we use a system based on Koha". Does this mean Koha out of the box does not support eBooks? 15:02 polar_ in 2015 there is mentioned a Internet Archive Bookreader. Is that related to eBooks lending then? Sorry for asking. So many options to look at :) 15:16 reiveune1 bye 15:23 Joubu khall: Are you aware of bug 16686? Any idea how we could fix it? 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab 15:23 khall Joubu: I'll take a look! 15:23 talljoy morning #koha 15:24 Joubu khall: thanks 15:24 Joubu morning talljoy 15:25 talljoy it is still 'barely' morning. i slept well last night after all that travel 15:27 LibraryClaire Hi talljoy 15:32 talljoy hi LibraryClaire 15:36 LibraryClaire :) 15:51 khall Joubu: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 15:51 huginn 04Bug 16686: major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab 15:51 Joubu thx khall! 15:51 khall np! 15:52 Joubu khall: datesent needs to be fixed as well 15:52 khall ah, will do! 15:53 drojf later #koha 15:53 Joubu khall: and not sure it's a good idea to call 3x GetTransfers 15:54 * cait waves 15:54 cait so many emails from being away :( 15:54 * cait vanishes again 15:54 Joubu bug 11089 and bug 16400 are waiting for QA pov 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Signed Off , Item edit screen should use floating toolbar like cataloging interface 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Proposal to uniform the placement of submit buttons 16:05 mveron Hi khall, I get an error while testing Bug 16686 16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab 16:05 mveron Template process failed: undef error - Can't call method "_columns" without a package or object reference at /usr/share/kohaclone/Koha/Object.pm line 266. 16:10 khall Joubu: updated: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16686 16:10 huginn 04Bug 16686: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab 16:13 * mveron is called for dinner 16:28 kidclamp joubu - you don't have expiry date set to required do you? I can't recreate what you saw 16:31 Joubu kidclamp: no, BorrowerMandatoryField contains firstname|surname 16:31 kidclamp hrm..I will keep investigating 16:32 kidclamp if guarantor form is needed I think it makes more sense/is easier to pull it over wholesale if present 16:33 Joubu kidclamp: yes and it won't be easy to support. Would be good to add a note in the pref description 16:34 Joubu kidclamp: ho wait, it does not work with xxx 16:34 Joubu but guarantorxxx 16:34 Joubu ??? 16:34 Joubu kidclamp: fill patronquickaddfields with surname|sex|guarantorxxx 16:35 Joubu and you will see the extra expiry date field 16:35 kidclamp yup, thanks (sorta) I think it might be hitting that 'to' in guarantor 16:36 kidclamp though it shouldn't :D 16:42 kidclamp yeah, indexOf( input_label ) is finding 'to' in guarantorxxx and assuming you want to show 'to' 19:35 tcohen nye #lpha 19:36 tcohen shift -1 20:49 rangi morning 20:49 cait morning and welcome back rnagi 20:49 LibraryClaire hi rangi! 20:50 rangi hey cait and LibraryClaire 20:50 cait hey LibraryClaire :) 20:50 LibraryClaire hi cait :) 20:50 cait haven't been around much here the last 2 days - did you get back well? 20:50 LibraryClaire me? 20:50 wahanui LibraryClaire is, like, the monster under my bed 20:51 rangi hehehe 20:51 LibraryClaire lol 20:51 rangi i spot the hand of eythian 20:51 LibraryClaire cait: yes I did thanks, it would have been more pleasant without being ill but it was ok! 20:53 cait no me :) i got lost in the big email pile 20:53 cait how are you feeling now? cold gone? 20:54 LibraryClaire not great :( 20:54 cait meh :( 20:54 LibraryClaire it's worse 20:54 cait staying home? 20:54 LibraryClaire nah, I went in today, though it was potentially the wrong choice 20:55 rangi may as well make everyone else sick too eh? :-) 20:55 LibraryClaire spreading the love 20:55 rangi did you get your certificates? 20:55 cait yep 20:56 cait i printed it even heh 20:56 bag heya 20:56 LibraryClaire yes 20:56 cait it's on my whiteboard onw 20:56 LibraryClaire hi bag 20:57 cait hi bag :) 20:57 cait bag: sharing the peanut butter goodness with the coworkers 20:57 bag nice :) 20:57 cait I think it's safe to say we can all agree on 'yum' 20:57 bag :) 20:59 cait bag: did you make it home well too? I think we just missed you at the airport 21:00 bag yup 28 hours 21:00 bag I have the lag of jet 21:00 LibraryClaire ouch 21:00 rangi only 4 less than me this time, i had less sitting in airport time on the way back 21:01 cait ugh 21:01 cait we had quite a pleasant trip this time... but i think next time it will be harder again 21:01 cait i was home about 2pm 21:05 * cait is going to face 1000 bug mails onw 21:05 cait wish me luck :) 21:05 LibraryClaire heh good luck! 21:05 rangi good luck 21:06 cait :) 21:28 LibraryClaire Hm, throat feels full of tiny knives, bed for me. Night #koha 21:28 rangi sleep well 21:29 wizzyrea do we have a new very nice group photo from kohacon? 21:29 rangi they took one, not sure where it ended up 21:30 wizzyrea I saw the one from the last day but it didn't look like the full grou[ 21:30 wizzyrea group* 21:30 cait hm 21:30 rangi http://www.livemedia.com/kohacon16 <-- not one here 21:30 cait i think there was one on twitter - but not sure where lese 21:31 cait https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj70wc7WsAAkkM5.jpg ? 21:35 cait it might not b the official one - the one in the video seems different? 21:35 rangi yeah not sure 21:39 wizzyrea Hm ok! 21:40 wizzyrea general request, if you spot the official one before I do, please let me know so I can update the photo on the website. I might miss the "team self organised into a heart" photo though. 21:41 cait yeah :) 21:42 wizzyrea cait, what would the german translation of this be 21:42 wizzyrea Koha is a fully featured, scalable library management system. Development is sponsored by libraries of varying types and sizes, volunteers, and support companies worldwide. 21:42 wizzyrea i want to test our multilang wordpress :P 21:42 cait um 21:43 cait it's hard! 21:43 wizzyrea ok, easier 21:44 wizzyrea how about "The worlds first free and open source library system" 21:44 wizzyrea or "official website of Koha library software" 21:44 cait Das erste freie und Open-Source-Bibliothekssystem der Welt! 21:44 cait Offizielle Webseite der Bibliothekssoftware Koha 21:48 wizzyrea cait++ 21:48 cait wizzyrea++ :) 22:00 holey Hi all 22:01 rangi hi holey 22:03 holey testing only now 22:07 mveron Good nighttime / daytime #koha 22:10 * mveron is glad about Bug 16346 22:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16346 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, In Discussion , Website should be translatable 22:11 mveron ...but it's late, let's call it a day. 22:13 wizzyrea it'll be a major pain in the butt, hope you're ready ;) 23:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha.