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23:43 dan_ In the zebra output log, what means the line "[warn] cs_listen failed [Too many open files]" (repeated a hundred times)? (log found after zebra srv process was dead)
23:43 dan_ Hello everyone
23:39 dcook Or anyone who uses koha-gitify...
23:37 dcook I have a koha-gitify question...
23:37 dcook Hey wizzyrea, are you around atm?
22:47 pianohacker oleonard: pretty certain no
22:47 oleonard That's not gonna work, right?
22:47 oleonard I get this: <<branches.branchname, branches.branchaddress2, branches.branchzip>>
22:46 oleonard Hey anyone around to give me a sanity check? If I'm composing a notice and select multiple fields and insert them at once...
22:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16473: Fix typo "an problem" vs "a problem" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f0a1f0c7f5edebbaa5d61f0392e9ab67d201e00> / Bug 16480: Unclosed tag in shelves line 332 on intranet <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f5163cfcd1eb8becf48ae0861d8096720965c61>
22:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16474: Standardize spelling of EDIFACT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3fa3a397845212d2030ff0a32256ec5bfd2964b> / Bug 16412: Cache undef in L1 only <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a452ac4149809c212d861ee8b08c3931f23234a> / Bug 16412: Make sure Koha::Cache->set_in_cache will not warn anymore <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;
22:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16489: ES code incorrectly refers to Moose <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d9f2efa941ba678d57a18718fedf752984dfee3>
21:32 drojf good night #koha
21:17 drojf unless it uses the wrong koha-conf.xml
21:17 drojf i get that a thousand times. why would it look in __ZEBRA_LOCK_DIR__
21:16 cait it's too late tonight, tomorrow
21:16 drojf 23:16:03-12/05 zebraidx(1899) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=__ZEBRA_LOCK_DIR__/biblios/norm..LCK [No such file or directory]
21:16 cait hm
21:16 drojf no. i was waiting for you to try
21:15 kathryn hi cait
21:15 cait drojf: did you check in? i still have to
21:15 * cait waves at kathryn
21:08 drojf i think a part of zebra rebuild is picking up the wrong koha-conf.xml in my dev vm
20:56 liw :)
20:54 drojf i'll buy shares of your startup!
20:53 andreashm liw: I'll buy one.
20:51 liw I want to sell a small cushion with a headband that you put on your forehead to make headbanging less painful
20:50 andreashm That sorted, I immediately run into another problem. 'bangs head against the wall'
20:46 andreashm Regarding the OAI harvester thing that I asked about the other day, if was indeed a missing dependency.
20:46 drojf (which does not mean much in the search module labyrinth)
20:45 drojf though
20:45 drojf i have not found that part in the code thoug
20:45 andreashm hopefully
20:45 drojf maybe there is a magical combination of settings that gets something more relevant out of it
20:43 * andreashm is scared too
20:42 drojf andreashm: try it
20:42 andreashm drojf: order by biblionumber? really?
20:42 drojf me too
20:41 cait i think i wa sthinking field weighting
20:41 drojf in the way that it sorts by biblionumber i guess :)
20:41 cait just thought it used to work? in some ways at least?
20:41 drojf that is about broader and narrower terms. if we mean the same thing
20:40 cait but ... ok, i got no idea
20:40 cait there is some code to boost some fields i think
20:40 cait hm
20:39 drojf there is no relevance. relevance in the default zebra settings is order by biblionumber. i don't know about the queryparser, but without there is nothing relevant in relevance ranking at the moment
20:38 andreashm drojf: ouch
20:38 andreashm saw that there are two bugs regarding truncation and queryparser. seems relevance gets screwed any which way it is set.
20:38 drojf but it looks like i destroyed my dev vm. oops
20:37 drojf andreashm: a little
20:36 andreashm drojf: looking at relevance?
20:36 andreashm reading the logs
20:21 andreashm hi cait
20:20 cait hi andreashm :)
20:19 * andreashm waves
20:19 cait pianohacker: got your flights and all? :)
20:16 pianohacker hm.
20:16 rangi pianohacker: i think the patches were all submitted
18:59 oleonard Bye #koha
17:56 jim_ any one else here
17:52 jim_ honored to meet you
17:52 jim_ Wow nice
17:51 oleonard I work as a web developer for a public library in Ohio, USA.
17:51 jim_ What do u work as
17:50 jim_ I have but you can't solve
17:50 oleonard Hi jim_, do you have a question?
17:50 jim_ knock knock
17:49 jim_ hello\
17:32 jim_ but I only see u
17:32 jim_ I see
17:30 kivilahtio jim_: there are ~61 users online
17:29 kivilahtio jim_: hello?
17:29 jim_ hello
17:25 jim_ any one here
17:23 kivilahtio then the public sector employs local people, and has more money to spend on, for ex developing Koha :)
17:19 kivilahtio t4nk927: for starters
17:18 kivilahtio UK had a great idea for making OpenDocument standard mandatory in the public sector
17:18 kivilahtio UK had a great idea for making OdenDocument standard mandatory in the public sector
17:18 t4nk927 because it is OSS?
17:18 kivilahtio t4nk927: I have one thing to say to all public sector employees. Use linux, save your tax-payers money
17:17 t4nk927 in a college library
17:17 t4nk927 I am from India
17:17 t4nk927 nice to meet you Sir
17:17 kivilahtio t4nk927: and you?
17:15 kivilahtio Finland, Vaara-kirjastot
17:15 t4nk927 Where do u work?
17:15 t4nk927 haha
17:15 kivilahtio oleonard: :)
17:14 oleonard Be sure to send the email back in time 10 years.
17:13 kivilahtio email is cheap
17:13 kivilahtio t4nk927: ask those guys from the link you posted to us.
17:12 t4nk927 Any one else I hope may know
17:12 oleonard t4nk927: None of us will be able to help you.
17:12 oleonard t4nk927: You're asking if it's possible and we're saying no. You say yes. Try it and find out.
17:11 kivilahtio can't help you with Windows sorry.
17:11 t4nk927 I understand thats the reason I am asking if its possible as well
17:11 kivilahtio t4nk927: not everybody who uses Koha hangs around here regularly, like me
17:10 kivilahtio t4nk927: maybe you should ask those guys?
17:10 kivilahtio oleonard: :)
17:10 oleonard t4nk927: That documentation is 10 years old
17:10 t4nk927 I have worked on Ubuntu no uduntu its good
17:10 kivilahtio Steam++++
17:10 kivilahtio it even has Steam in it !
17:10 kivilahtio nowadays it is super great
17:09 kivilahtio maybe you will even love Ubuntu!
17:09 kivilahtio there are a ton of guides online for that
17:09 kivilahtio install Ubuntu 14.04 on a virtual machine on your Windows-PC
17:09 t4nk927 here is one example what I am talking about http://www.koha.rwjr.com/
17:09 t4nk927 OS
17:09 t4nk927 but I can't change my home PC
17:09 kivilahtio t4nk927: You don't need to be a hard-core linux guyy. Just a regular dude will do ;)
17:09 t4nk927 I know
17:08 kivilahtio t4nk927: I recommend you use Ubuntu 14.04
17:08 kivilahtio t4nk927: also Redhat is not very popular system to run Koha on
17:08 kivilahtio https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
17:08 kivilahtio t4nk927: here is one of hte many for Ubuntu
17:08 kivilahtio t4nk927: Yes. I would love to see how it goes :) While working at it you could write install instructions to our wiki
17:07 oleonard t4nk927: If you think you can, you're welcome to try it.
17:07 t4nk927 I have done it previously
17:07 oleonard t4nk927: Who says?
17:07 t4nk927 As far as I know one can
17:06 oleonard t4nk927: As far as anyone knows it is not possible to install Koha on Windows.
17:06 t4nk927 Any one here
17:06 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
17:06 pianohacker @later tell rangi what's the state of the ES browse code? (http://browse.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-browse.pl)
17:05 kivilahtio t4nk927: then, like I said I cannot help you :)
17:05 kivilahtio t4nk927: oleonard said you should run Linux on your Windwos machine
17:05 t4nk927 As far as I know we can
17:05 kivilahtio t4nk927: I don't think you can run it on Windows
17:05 kivilahtio t4nk927: if you would do the effort, then somebody here would maintain the Windows version of Koha
17:05 t4nk927 if I run it on Windows will it be a problem?
17:04 kivilahtio and then most certainly it wont work on Windows, unless you invest a lot of time and effort to retrofit it to work there
17:04 kivilahtio t4nk927: so when programming Koha, nobody tests the developments against Windows
17:04 kivilahtio t4nk927: because Koha is a community product, and nobody here runs it on Windows.
17:03 t4nk927 why is it difficult to run on Windows
17:03 kivilahtio t4nk927: It is very simple to install it from debian packages
17:03 oleonard t4nk927: You could install something like VirtualBox on Windows and run Koha inside that, but it would be suitable only for testing.
17:02 kivilahtio t4nk927: if you are starting to learn Koha, you hsould deploy it on Ubuntu 14.04. It is very straightforward
17:02 kivilahtio t4nk927: but I am sure somebody here has
17:02 oleonard t4nk927: No, not directly.
17:02 kivilahtio t4nk927: I am sorry. I cannot help you with that. I am not very pro-Microsoft
17:01 t4nk927 Can you tell me the latest 3.22 can be installed on Windows?
17:01 kivilahtio t4nk927: I guess most of us here have installed Koha at some point
17:00 kivilahtio t4nk927: it depends
16:59 kivilahtio t4nk927: Do you like t4nks?
16:59 t4nk927 Can you help me with Koha installation
16:59 kivilahtio t4nk927: hi there
16:59 t4nk927 hello
16:59 khall cool, I'll check that out!
16:59 kivilahtio khall: that was my mistake confusig different dev environments
16:59 kivilahtio khall: it has no issues with mod_cgi
16:58 huginn 04Bug 16509: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Koha::Logger dies when log4perl.conf has FileAppender files with different owners, also compatibility with logrotate
16:58 kivilahtio khall: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16509
16:58 drojf i was never aware that there is a problem. i dont cate about relevance because googl etold me nobody knows what is relevant for me
16:55 oleonard It's an embarrassment, really, for Koha that we don't know how that works let alone make it better.
16:46 drojf so at least i intuitively changed the right sysprefs, did not help anyway
16:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12430 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Truncation disables relevance ranking when not using QueryParser
16:45 drojf bug 12430
16:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12431 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Relevance does not work properly when using QueryParser
16:45 drojf bug 12431
16:43 drojf thanks oleonard
16:43 drojf hahaha
16:43 drojf i had somebody show me it does not work yesterday. so i know its a thing, at least for some. i would at least expect searchword-in-title to rank higher than searchword-somewhere-in-keywords
16:43 oleonard http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2016-05-09#i_1820535
16:42 drojf yes that is what i imagined. lol
16:42 oleonard drojf: Yeah some people say it doesn't work and others don't have a problem with it. But the real issue seems to be no one really knows how it works.
16:40 drojf several people complained to me about relevance ranking in koha. is that a known something? never had to do with it because nobody complained before
16:36 drojf heh good choice ;)
16:36 oleonard No they cancelled it because you and I weren't there drojf.
16:35 drojf so the meeting did not happen yesterday?
16:34 oleonard When I saw the "settings" link on the checkout page I thought I had my branches mixed up
16:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11565 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , decreaseLoanHighHolds needs Override
16:34 oleonard Oh wow, I did not realize my follow-up for Bug 11565 got pushed.
16:26 drojf hi #koha
16:06 kivilahtio I meant mod_cgi. The old and slow script-based solution
16:06 kivilahtio khall: maybe I made a mistake, I thought mod_perl is the same as the mod_cgi
16:05 khall I haven't tested it any way except cgi
16:04 kivilahtio from apache2
16:04 kivilahtio khall: Does it work for you?
16:04 kivilahtio I mean jury-rig commandline to be interpreted as for ex. opac
16:04 khall odd, wonder why that is
16:03 kivilahtio khall: but works fine from the commandline when I try all interfaces
16:03 kivilahtio khall: wont log when ran from mod_perl
16:03 kivilahtio khall: but I have issues with making Koha::Logger work under apache2
16:03 khall excellent!
16:03 kivilahtio khall: I fixed the multiuser scenario with Appender property create_at_logtime=true
16:03 tcohen hi kivilahtio
16:02 kivilahtio tcohen: hi
15:09 tcohen hi
15:00 reiveune bye
14:46 kivilahtio if no matching part, phone number doesnt validate
14:46 kivilahtio everybody is happy
14:46 kivilahtio validator extracts matching parts
14:46 kivilahtio this would work well with the validator
14:46 kivilahtio I guess we could implement a feture where only the valid matching part of the phone number would be used, and rest just ignored for automatic purposes?
14:45 kivilahtio mom's number being a prime example
14:45 kivilahtio one of the biggest issues regarding the problems we have had with Koha are non-stnadard field usage. In database tables and in MARC Records
14:44 oleonard kivilahtio: We don't have any automated notifications which use phone number, so we have some wiggle room.
14:44 kivilahtio well it is patched now :)
14:44 kivilahtio oleonard: that crashed our prcoess_message_queue.pl
14:43 kivilahtio oleonard: validator blocks this. That is why we have custom borrower attrbiutes and notes
14:43 oleonard like "555-555-1212 mom's phone"
14:43 kivilahtio edveal: you dont need to do so much explaining to your patrons when they dont receive their sms'es
14:43 oleonard edveal: The trouble we have here is that staff want to put other text into the phone number field besides the phone number
14:43 edveal I agree
14:43 kivilahtio edveal: it is much better to fix the problem at its root
14:43 kivilahtio edveal: that is certainly what we did for a awhile
14:42 edveal Ah so you run a report to search for them and then they can be fixed...
14:42 oleonard edveal I use this regular expression in some SQL reports for finding bad phone numbers: ^([0-9]{3})\-([0-9]{3})\-([0-9]{4})$
14:40 edveal I started with HTML5 validation
14:40 edveal pianohacker was not able to get the HTML5 validation to work either. Very puzzing.
14:39 edveal oleonard I tried the html phone validation and that didn’t work either.
14:39 kivilahtio it is so cool :)
14:39 kivilahtio the feature even has PageObject test coverage!!
14:38 edveal No they want it to either be blank or 555-555-1212.
14:38 oleonard is both (555) 555-1212 and 555-555-1212 okay, for instance
14:37 kivilahtio line 101
14:37 kivilahtio edveal: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=44705&action=diff
14:37 edveal oleonard, I have tried using what is in the Koha jQuery library and it seems to work unless the field is blank. Then the validation fails. I need something that is more flexible.
14:37 oleonard edveal: One of the problems I've run into is the issue of how flexible you want it to be
14:36 kivilahtio oleonard: the regexp we got from the ministy is a monster
14:36 kivilahtio oleonard: matching a format
14:36 edveal Sorry I mean just checking to verify that the number is in a specific structure when adding a patron.
14:36 oleonard kivilahtio: Are you talking about finding actual valid numbers, or matching the correct format?
14:35 kivilahtio I mean a validator implementation fitting your country is not there in Koha
14:35 kivilahtio edveal: but afaik the phone number validator can be chosen and not implemented for your country
14:35 oleonard edveal: What have you tried, and what didn't work?
14:35 kivilahtio edveal: actually I think lari has a patch in bugzilla about validators
14:34 kivilahtio you could ask there. There must be a big authoritys handing out phone umbers in your country
14:34 kivilahtio edveal: we got such a validator from our ministry of something
14:34 edveal Has anyone in here come up with a good way to validate phone numbers. I have tried using the code that is in the jQuery library but have had issues with it. Any suggestions?
14:33 khall maybe look at patching Log4perl first, and use that as a fallback
14:33 kivilahtio khall: I completely agree
14:32 khall hmm, I worry that splitting the conf may lead to limited flexibility and more complication long term, but I've not real example
14:31 kivilahtio which might not be too difficult
14:31 kivilahtio another option is to mae modifications to Log::Log4perl
14:31 kivilahtio and load the config by the C4::Context->interface
14:30 kivilahtio like log4perl.opac.conf
14:30 kivilahtio khall: I was planning on splitting the log4perl.conf to each Koha subsystem
14:30 kivilahtio khall: I was asking if you have any suggestions on how to fix it.
14:30 kivilahtio khall: well I got it. I have a feature that is ran by www-data and koha
14:29 khall no that in particular, but yeah, log permissions are a serious headache.
14:29 kivilahtio khall: looks like every time Log::Log4perl is instantiated, it tries to open filehandles for all the defined Appender
14:28 kivilahtio khall: Have you noticed that when you have definitions in log4perl.conf for opac, intranet, sip, commandline, ... and opac.log is used by user www-data, and sip.log is used by koha, there is a problem with file permissions
14:03 Oak later guys
13:14 cait oleonard: thx!
12:45 Oak thanks!
12:45 magnuse good place to start :-)
12:45 magnuse cool
12:45 Oak Working on the website at the moment.
12:45 Oak Yes :) Working on it.
12:45 magnuse Oak: you got yourself a company too?
12:45 magnuse \o/
12:43 Oak \o/
12:43 Oak magnuse
12:43 magnuse Oak
12:33 Oak hello tcohen
12:33 tcohen bonjour
12:16 oleonard On the mailing list
12:16 cait oleonard: where di you see it?
12:15 cait yes
12:09 oleonard Oh, a new German support company? cait were you aware of them?
11:52 * Oak waves
11:52 Oak hello oleonard :)
11:52 oleonard Hi Oak
11:48 Vinod magnuse: Thanks for the reply
11:47 oleonard Sorry, terrible time for me to try to make a meeting.
11:46 cait oleonard: there would have been - but not enough participants
11:45 oleonard Was there not a meeting yesterday?
11:44 druthb oleonard! magnuse! cait!
11:41 oleonard magnuse!
11:40 magnuse oleonard!
11:11 cait magnuse++ thx!
11:08 cait magnuse: hm good thinking - i will check if there is a library setting in this vresion
11:02 magnuse fridolin: you got time for that? :-O
11:00 magnuse kia ora khall
11:00 magnuse just a hunch, though
11:00 magnuse wasn't there some work on displaying news only from your library when you are logged in? sounds like it might be related to that
10:58 cait oh? :)
10:58 magnuse yeah, we decided to keep the good news to ourselves ;-)
10:57 cait opac news only visible when logged in... did i miss something there?
10:57 cait um
10:56 magnuse this looks like it might be helpful, if you have a git/gitified install and applied some patch(es) yourself: https://help.github.com/articles/resolving-a-merge-conflict-from-the-command-line/
10:55 magnuse how did you install koha?
10:55 magnuse Vinod: that is a git thing. it means a patch was applied and there was some conflict
10:37 Vinod can any body help?
10:35 Vinod how can i fix that?
10:35 Vinod yes huginn This bug is closed but that is coming near the search field
10:34 Vinod Why this error might come can any one help me out?
10:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13144 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, CLOSED FIXED, Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap
10:33 Vinod I have got some error in the web-opac near search field as like <<<<<<< HEAD======= >>>>>>> Bug 13144: Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap
10:32 Vinod Hi All
09:32 marcelr hi #koha
09:27 fridolin you must be zen to play 8-)
09:27 fridolin magnuse: a chance I have found a new passion : golf
09:02 * magnuse has a son who is almost 4
09:02 magnuse it can be a bit of a challenge, yeah :-)
08:58 fridolin what a job, i'm happy to come back to work :D
08:57 fridolin I'm a father now with a 3 years old little girl
08:57 fridolin nice to see u again
08:57 fridolin magnuse: hie
08:56 magnuse welcome back fridolin
08:24 cait how are you and the family?
08:24 cait buuusy
08:23 fridolin cait: hello how are u ?
08:12 cait wb fridolin :)
07:42 fridolin I'm back to work
07:41 fridolin hie alllllllll
07:26 magnuse anyone got any experience with self checks that do offline circ? so if koha is offline the self check machine saves the circ operations and then communicates them to koha when koha is online again?
06:54 alex_a bonjour
06:50 reiveune hello
06:30 cait morning magnuse!
06:29 magnuse kia ora cait
06:27 cait morning #koha
00:12 * Francesca waves