Time  Nick            Message
01:17 drab            locate detach
03:43 bag             hola
03:43 dcook           \o
03:44 bag             hey dcook
03:44 bag             how’s things
03:44 * dcook         shrugs
03:44 dcook           It's Friday, so pizza and beer night :)
03:44 bag             noice!
03:44 dcook           you?
03:44 bag             you make the pizza?  or order in?
03:44 dcook           How's Portland treating you?
03:45 dcook           Mmm either make it or buy frozen cheese pizza and add fresh toppings
03:45 bag             ahh
03:45 dcook           Although ordering isn't a bad idea...
03:45 dcook           There's an amazing pizza place just down the street...
03:45 bag             Portland is fab.  it’s the most wonderful time of the year.. perfect temp.  everything is blooming and it’s super green and lush
03:45 dcook           :D
03:46 bag             tomorrow is pizza for us.  We just made the dough so it’s got 24 hours to raise
03:46 bag             a tiny tough of sourdough taste (tiny touch)
03:47 dcook           Mmm sounds tasty
03:51 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16451: Fix missisng body id in orders_by_budget.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b60c44c5d2328955d8e82ad69fc85499dc28c177> / Bug 16453: Make Elasticsearch tests be skipped if configuration entry missing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e6a18bb62eee31986a73a0811ab207aa746a381> / Bug 16426: follow-up of bug 15840 - correctly manage userid while inserting
04:01 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16414: Follow-up - change to kohastructure.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae289d95d7ac93e5b65d258a568c6737da1a4dc1> / Bug 16414: Drop aqorders.budgetgroup_id <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d55706b3bc0de7bee561c6a848ceaea4d685200>
04:11 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'master' of git://git.koha-community.org/koha <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=27db26c5b785e813c494c1c865b43da6c73c20e9> / Bug 15919: Batch checkout - Display the due date <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=105869d3b968f061688a390993df1267baa11bd7> / DBRev Bug 16414 - aqorders.budgetgroup_id has never been used and can be <http://git.koha-community.o
04:13 bag             hmm dcook - I don’t think I meant to push this one :P  “Trivial merge”
04:13 bag             ehh trival merge - I’ll grab that one later (silly workflow)
04:13 dcook           hmm?
04:14 dcook           No idea what you're talking about, bag :)
04:14 bag             http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=27db26c5b785e813c494c1c865b43da6c73c20e9
04:22 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15823: Redirect opac-discharge.pl to 404 page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a07db3537d70aa642f1f2e2731eb8e0cf200e1f4> / Bug 15823: Can still access patron discharge slip without having the syspref on <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=853d3cfe4d76d6f847e4f30dca4d50d278951fd0>
04:32 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13041 - Can't add user as manager of basket if name includes a single quote <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33bfb1767258e871abb66009dddb8aec0206b1e9> / Bug 16386 - Replace the use of "onclick" from patron card creator templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=672277197dbb910a1bd3f1239467242253869066>
05:03 pastebot        "Oak" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Updating DB during Git installation" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/439
05:04 Oak             Any idea what's that guys?
05:49 Oak             cait
05:49 Oak             need help.
05:49 Oak             you know I was having issues with kohadevbox+vagrant and qa-tools.
05:50 bag             hmm
05:51 bag             I think that is just warning and you are ok Oak
05:52 Oak             I did a fresh install of Debian 8.x and then did git koha install and everything works OK.
05:53 Oak             but qa tools is giving same failed tests # 22 and 23 as it was in kohadevbox.
05:53 pastebot        "Oak" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "qa tools fail test 22 and 23" (345 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/440
05:54 Oak             bag!
05:54 Oak             thanks, that was warning, cool. now, any help regarding this qa tools?
05:56 bag             no help with the qa tools part
05:57 bag             just cause it’s late for me - I have the tired lateness ;)
05:59 Oak             cool.
05:59 dcook           bag: Is git.koha-community.org down?
06:00 dcook           Ah back up..
06:00 dcook           Trivial merge is indeed a trivial merge it seems..
06:04 cait            Oak: sorry, no idea about kohadevbox still :(
06:39 bag             @later tell cait - go to bed!!!! yeesh
06:39 huginn          bag: The operation succeeded.
10:01 drojf           hi #koha
10:02 eythian         hi drojf
10:03 drojf           @wunder berlin, germany
10:03 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 21.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on May 06, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
10:03 eythian         @wunder ams
10:03 Oak             hey drojf
10:03 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 20.9°C (12:01 PM CEST on May 06, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
10:03 drojf           ha, i win
10:03 eythian         so close!
10:03 Oak             hello mr Robin
10:04 drojf           :)
10:04 eythian         hi oak
10:04 Oak             what do you guys make of this: http://paste.koha-community.org/440
10:05 Oak             I ran this inside the qa-test-tools folder after a fresh Deina 8.x + Koha git isntall.
10:05 Oak             fresh Debian*
10:06 eythian         @wunder amsterdam
10:06 huginn          eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
10:06 eythian         @wunder amsterdam, nl
10:06 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Aalsmeer - Oost, Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, Netherlands is 22.8°C (12:03 PM CEST on May 06, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
10:07 eythian         there we go, now I win drojf
10:07 Oak             *sigh*
10:07 Oak             I'll just stop trying to sign off bugs then.
10:09 drojf           hm
10:11 drojf           @wunder ber
10:11 huginn          drojf: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
10:11 drojf           @wunder berlin, de
10:11 huginn          drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
10:11 drojf           i want to have different berins too ;)
10:11 eythian         @wunder berlin, usa
10:11 huginn          eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
10:11 eythian         aw, I was sure there'd be one there
10:12 drojf           there are several i think
10:12 eythian         @wunder berlin, nevada
10:12 huginn          eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
10:12 eythian         that one is a ghost town apparently
10:12 eythian         @wunder berlin, kansas
10:12 huginn          eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
10:12 * eythian       gives up
10:12 eythian         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_%28disambiguation%29 <-- but there's a ton
10:13 drojf           https://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=berlin
10:13 drojf           @wunder berlin, florida
10:13 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Oceanway, Jacksonville, Florida is 9.1°C (6:01 AM EDT on May 06, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
10:13 drojf           @wunder berlin, erl salvador
10:13 huginn          drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
10:14 drojf           @wunder berlin, el salvador
10:14 huginn          drojf: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:14 drojf           hm
10:14 drojf           it probably does not like berlin flood
10:14 drojf           now that i would have won. unfair
10:14 drojf           @wunder 78670
10:14 huginn          drojf: The current temperature in Downtown, Staples, Texas is 15.4°C (5:14 AM CDT on May 06, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
10:15 drojf           hm ok id does not work, its usa postcode i guess?
10:15 eythian         yeah, I think so
10:16 eythian         @wunder Reguliersdwarsstraat
10:16 huginn          eythian: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
10:16 drojf           anyway it's pretty nice weather. and i just got an extra notebook battery so i can work a whole day in the park if i want to
10:16 eythian         @wunder IAMSTERD373
10:16 huginn          eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
10:16 eythian         oh well
10:17 eythian         yeah, it was a holiday here yesterday, and the weather was good. I went for a bike loop around the canals.
10:17 drojf           here was holiday too, not much happening today. many people take the day in between off and have a long weekend
10:18 drojf           it's called "bridge day" in german, no idea if that has an english word
10:18 drojf           leo says that works in english. bridge or bridging day
10:19 eythian         yeah, I don't know if there's a real term for it, but that'd certainly make sense.
10:23 eythian         it's pretty quiet here for the same reason
10:49 * cait          waves
10:49 cait            drojf: pm?
10:50 drojf           huh? i answered?
10:50 drojf           :)
10:50 cait            hm
10:50 cait            didn't get an answer :)
10:51 drojf           weird
10:51 drojf           now?
10:51 cait            nope
10:51 drojf           erm
10:51 cait            just wanted to ask your laptop model again
10:51 cait            i finally got to do some research yesterday
10:54 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merges translations for Koha 16.05 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e9201137a649305f138b2c7bad3c61dbabb1dd3> / Translation updates for Koha 16.05 (beta) release <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d458abfd849206b813c09d8e4824d65e45339b2>
11:42 drojf           later #koha
11:49 oleonard        Hi #koha
11:49 cait            hi oleonard :)
12:28 tcohen          morning
12:28 geek_cl         o/
12:33 Oak             tcohen, can you tell a bit about qa-test-tools. I did a fresh install of Debian 8.x, did Koha install using git. ANd before moving forward, I try to do prove -v t/Perl.t as wiki says inside the qa-test-tools directory, but get these errors:
12:33 Oak             http://paste.koha-community.org/440
12:34 tcohen          hi geek_cl
12:34 Oak             I did the clean Debian install because I started having same test 22 & 23 failing with kohadevbox + vagrant.
12:34 tcohen          Oak: I never read that wiki, and am sure i never ran prove t/Perl.t
12:35 Oak             huh.
12:35 tcohen          it might be worth fixing, though
12:35 tcohen          :-D
12:35 Oak             :)
12:35 Oak             https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/QA_Test_Tools
12:35 Oak             oh well.
12:38 tcohen          Oak: i'll try myself right now, thanks for pointing it out
12:38 tcohen          if you have any clue on the failure, please say it loud .-D
12:40 Oak             cool. thanks.
13:41 oleonard        Did a patch recently pushed to master break Zebra? Suddenly my searches turn up nothing.
13:42 Joubu           oleonard: see that yesterday, I thought it was my install
13:44 oleonard        "Zebra does not appear to have been running"
13:56 Kchris          I am attempting to test a patch (9543). However, "git bz apply 9543" returns "global name 'host' is not defined". Any thoughts?
13:56 nengard         boo
13:57 Kchris          hello
13:58 Joubu           Kchris: did you follow the wiki page?
13:58 Kchris          Joubu: I did the configuration on the wiki page.
14:00 Joubu           Kchris: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
14:00 Joubu           $ git config bz.default-tracker bugs.koha-community.org
14:01 Joubu           Kchris: check your git config file, you should see a bz-tracker entry
14:02 Kchris          Joubu: I have checked the git config settings using "git config --list" and I do see the bz-tracker entry there.
14:02 Kchris          Is that what you mean?
14:03 Joubu           Kchris: see ~/.gitconfig
14:04 Joubu           [bz-tracker "bugs.koha-community.org"]
14:04 tcohen          khall: DBIC upgrade needed!
14:04 Joubu           then 4 entries: path, bz-user, bz-password, https
14:04 khall           tcohen: will do!
14:04 tcohen          oleonard: where do u get that message about zebra?
14:04 oleonard        tcohen: I ran koha-restart-zebra
14:04 tcohen          ah
14:05 tcohen          context?
14:05 tcohen          gitified master? kohadevbox? dev install?
14:06 tcohen          stable packages?
14:06 oleonard        gitified package install
14:06 tcohen          ack
14:09 tcohen          oleonard: yaz-client works for you? (so zebra is actually running?)
14:10 oleonard        tcohen: running 'koha-restart-zebra' successfully started zebra and gave me that warning. Searches worked after that.
14:10 oleonard        I didn't do anything with yaz-client.
14:11 edveal          Anyone out there using the “Did you mean” feature successfully?
14:11 tcohen          oleonard: i tried on a fresh kohadevbox, and records showed while getting imported from the "manage staged records" page
14:11 * tcohen        loves the indexer daemon enabled by default
14:12 sophie_m        hello #koha
14:12 cait            edveal: we do
14:13 cait            edveal: it requires authorities tho
14:14 cait            [off] https://bbf.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=gesundheit gesundheit = health - it suggests health law, health education, health and a corporate
14:14 cait            if you have simple search words results can be good
14:14 edveal          cait right, we have a partner who is using authorities, I think their sys prefes are set right and the linker is on. But the never get anything when using did you mean.
14:14 cait            there are 2 dif you mean plugins
14:14 cait            we don't use the expanded one i thing let me check
14:15 cait            we are only using AuthorityFile
14:15 edveal          cait any chance you could email me a screenshot of your sys pref set up?
14:16 cait            it's really only the did you mean authority file checked for opac
14:16 edveal          That I can use as a point of comparison.
14:16 cait            under administration > did you mean
14:16 sophie_m        Does someone know if it is on purpose that when cataloguing, if you clone a field, it is empty, and when you clone a subfield it keeps its content ?
14:16 edveal          Right but I am worred that they might not have authorities set up right so they are not getting created correctly. Then the did you mean will not work. cait
14:17 cait            we import the authorities
14:17 cait            so it's all created outside koha
14:17 edveal          Ah ok.
14:17 cait            we are not using the linker
14:17 edveal          Got you. Thanks.
14:17 cait            we import 'pre-linked'
14:17 cait            sorry
14:17 cait            the linker is a mystery i might have to tackle soon...
14:17 edveal          :)
14:18 edveal          Thank you cait
14:18 cait            edveal: does the normal authority search turn up results?
14:18 cait            and shows linked records?
14:18 edveal          I will have to log in and test again. But as I recall it was.
14:20 edveal          Ah cait you have it I think. I find plenty of authorities but non are linked to records.
14:20 edveal          Thanks again.
14:22 cait            good luck!
14:26 Joubu           oleonard: what's the point to move js code from tt to automatic_item_modification_by_age.js? (bug 16437)
14:26 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16437 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Automatic item modifications by age needs prettying
14:27 oleonard        Keeping js in separate files makes it so that it can be cached, so that it can be more easily linted, so that it might in the future be minified
14:30 Joubu           oleonard: should it be a requirement for patches?
14:30 Joubu           no js code in tt files
14:34 oleonard        Joubu: I don't know... Right now I think of it as a best practice rather than a requirement
14:35 oleonard        ...but one of my goals is rework the staff client so that JS can be at the bottom instead of the top, and having separate files will certainly help
14:35 oleonard        A lot of JS has T:T in it, so that's an impediment.
14:38 oleonard        Sorry about Bug 16437 Joubu, I thought you said age was required.
14:38 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16437 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Automatic item modifications by age needs prettying
14:39 Joubu           oleonard I sent you a later yesterday I think about that, did not you receive it?
14:39 oleonard        Oh, no I didn't!
14:40 oleonard        ...but the log says you did, so thank you
14:41 Joubu           maybe I typoed something, I always typo the laters
14:45 oleonard        "You cannot be discharged, you have issues." I'll say I do.
14:45 nengard         ha
15:15 Kchris          Joubu++ . My password was not getting stored in the ~/.gitconfig. Perhaps it objected to one of the characters? I changed the password and now it works.
15:22 drab            hi there, trying my luck again with the z3950 issue, still can't get results to show despite all settings looking ok
15:22 drab            I've added LOC as a target, MARC21/USMARC, server/ip looks correct and if I sniff traffic I can see request going out and results coming back
15:23 drab            but on the z3950-search.pl screen it says "nothing found"
15:23 drab            any thoughts on how I could even debug this? I'm just out of options to even figure out what's going on
15:24 drab            I tried to change log levels to debug, but it makes no difference, I get no debug output
15:24 drab            short of trying to add log statement to the .pl itself I don't know what else to do and not sure how productive that's going to be (I don't really know anything about this code base)
15:50 oleonard        drab: Which version of Koha?
15:50 drab            3.22.6
15:54 oleonard        Sorry, you probably already knew it, but it doesn't seem to be a bug in the version. It works for me.
15:59 oleonard        *sigh* Why didn't I take them /all/ out? Bug 16337
15:59 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove the use of "onclick" from the stage MARC records template
15:59 oleonard        Left one behind. :(
15:59 Oak             oleonard++
16:01 * Oak           thinks oleonard is an awesome web developer.
16:01 oleonard        Thanks Oak :)
16:01 Oak             :)
16:01 oleonard        I will keep at it!
16:02 drab            oleonard: do you have any recommendations for debugging? I tried to set DEBUG in log4perl config in /etc, but it made no difference
16:02 drab            same for KOHA_CGI_DEBUG in apache config stanza
16:02 drab            nothing shows up in the logs
16:04 oleonard        Sorry drab I don't know what to advise.
16:05 drab            k, np, will figure something out. thanks.
16:06 Oak             drab, is your PC behind a proxy? can't think of anything else.
16:08 drab            Oak: it is, but port 210 would not be intercepted, it's just a web proxy, and like I said, unless I've gone nuts which is always an option, I see traffic coming back to the box
16:08 drab            I'm tcpdump'ing on the koha server itself, and I see LOC sending back a lot of packets with info about books and stuff
16:08 drab            altho it's a bit hard to read into an hexdump
16:08 drab            but they look like legittimate entries to me, summaries of books and stuff
16:09 drab            so that seems to pretty much rule out anything funky going on at network layer
16:10 drab            because I don't know much at all about koha (i'm just a tech guy volunteering for this non profit, never touched koha before), I'm more inclined to think I messed something up while setting the instance up
16:11 drab            but we've been looking at settings with cait too yesterday and they look ok
16:11 Oak             hmm
16:14 pianohacker_DND drab: does search work from within the advanced editor?
16:16 drab            pianohacker_DND: I'm afraid I don't know what that is. How can I do a search from the advanced editor? I'm in the library-intra , cataloging right now
16:16 oleonard        Is that in 3.22.x pianohacker_DND?
16:16 pianohacker_DND oleonard: yes :D
16:17 drab            oh, urm
16:17 pianohacker_DND drab: turn on the EnableAdvancedCatalogingEditor, then it'll show up as a button on the cataloging screen
16:17 drab            hang on a sec, I just realized something...
16:17 pianohacker_DND (that's a syspref, by the way)
16:19 drab            the lib guy told me to test by going to cataloging and then hitting the button with the search glass reading "New from z39.50/SRU"
16:19 oleonard        that's right.
16:19 drab            which opens up the z3950_search.pl screen. and I put "love" in it, and it says nothing found
16:20 drab            but
16:21 drab            if I just stick "love" into the top search box (cataloging search) and then scroll down there's a section "bilibos in reservoir" and in the column "Coming from" it says "z3950.loc.gov"
16:21 drab            does that mean it's working? or are those results somehow stored locally from something else?
16:22 drab            in that "biblios in reservoir" section I actually see entries from the other SRUs we have defined too (columbia, princeton, etc)
16:22 drab            pianohacker_DND: gonna look at that pref you mentioned
16:23 pianohacker_DND drab: the reservoir is (among other things) where records from Z39.50 searches are stored before being displayed
16:23 pianohacker_DND so they're making it all the way back to Koha but not being shown :/
16:24 drab            ok I have that advanced searched thing on
16:25 drab            what can I do with it?
16:25 pianohacker_DND drab: go to the cataloging home page, there should be a button labeled "Advanced editor" there
16:25 drab            yep, already clicked
16:26 drab            I'm in a screen "editing new record"
16:32 pianohacker_DND drab: there's a box on the side where you can run a Z39.50 search
16:35 drab            pianohacker_DND: lots of love for drab \o/
16:35 drab            about 70+ results for title:love
16:35 pianohacker_DND interesting! So it's specific to the old search.
16:35 drab            so I've no clue why they don't show in the other screen
16:35 drab            sounds like it
16:36 drab            lemme try that again
16:36 drab            yeah, z3950_search.pl gives no love
17:01 oleonard        Seems inconsistent that in the staff client cart you have a button to batch modify all but you have to select to batch delete. Why not select for both?
17:02 oleonard        Batch modification happens within the cart popup, but batch delete happens in the parent window.
17:03 oleonard        I'm going to get /very/ angry about that right after lunch.
18:10 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16414 - Update Schema <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47dc39997198126be702c13c58053e793c609f90>
18:20 nuentoter       where does koha pull the info for how many items a record has?
18:22 oleonard        From the items table
18:22 oleonard        Why do you ask nuentoter?
18:24 nuentoter       when doing an import i had 1645 mark records and 1733 items
18:26 oleonard        So Koha would have examined the actual MARC file to look for the item count in that case.
18:28 oleonard        nuentoter: Does that number not look correct?
18:29 nuentoter       there should only be 1 item per record
18:34 oleonard        nuentoter: Have you examined the MARC file to see whether there are extra items?
18:40 Karl_H          if you have MARCedit I think there's an option to do a field count
18:41 nuentoter       reading into this more,, i  think its my lack of intimite familiarity with marc records that is getting to me, i have a good working knowledge of them but it is still very surface
18:42 oleonard        nuentoter: How was the MARC file made?
18:42 nuentoter       exported from winnebago/spectrum
18:49 oleonard        nuentoter: Do you have access to MARCedit?
18:55 nuentoter       yup i have marcedit
18:57 nuentoter       I know that our original records have been catalogued by people who had no idea about cataloguing so there are errors all over, I've been doing pretty good at finding and fixing them as I go. this is one that is escaping me though
18:58 nuentoter       I believe it is records with multiple holdings that shouldnt have multiple holdings, but trying to find those records specifically is hard with winnebago unless you crawl through them one by one, its reports are not very useful in this area
19:13 Kchris          I am testing bug 9543. Any ideas about why the "transfer to" message would appear when checking in items where home branch and current branch are the same?
19:13 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9543 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Show patrons messaging subscription on holds notification
21:16 tcohen          is master just broken?
21:17 tcohen          https://snag.gy/IatcZd.jpg
21:19 bag             worked for me last night
21:19 bag             let me check see
21:19 bag             just you tcohen I thinks