Time Nick Message 00:10 dcook morning #koha 00:10 dcook @later tell drojf Well that doesn't sound convoluted at all :p 00:10 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 01:27 dcook "But there is no way you can ever get a cleartext version of the password from the database. If you can in any system (library or otherwise) never ever use that system." 01:27 dcook rangi++ 03:23 reza <IDENTIFY> 03:55 mtj hey #koha, is kc.org git server down at the mo? 04:01 wizzyrea web interface seems ok 04:01 wizzyrea pings alright 04:02 wizzyrea fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer < but the git server bit does seem messed up 04:16 * Francesca waves 04:16 Francesca hello 04:18 wizzyrea heya 04:19 Francesca sup 04:19 wizzyrea o not a lot 04:20 Francesca its pizza tomorrow 04:20 Francesca that makes me happy 04:37 dcook Mmm pizza 04:37 * dcook could go for pizza 04:39 Francesca come to nz 04:39 Francesca btw hi dcook, long time no talk 04:39 dcook Tempting. Very tempting. 04:39 dcook Heya :) 04:39 Francesca where've you been 04:40 Francesca feels like ages 04:40 dcook Mmm wife had a baby. That took me out of the line of duty for a while. 04:40 Francesca congrats :) 04:41 dcook Thanks :) 04:41 dcook The baby is super adorable O_O 04:41 dcook Being a dad is rad 04:42 Francesca come fly over for a few hours 04:42 Francesca eat some pizza 04:44 dcook I don't think my wife would like that :p 04:44 Francesca no probably not 04:44 Francesca we'll have to send you virtual pizza 04:45 dcook I don't know what I think of virtual pizza... 04:45 dcook Fortunately, Friday night has become de facto beer and pizza night, so I can't complain 04:46 Francesca lol 04:46 Francesca boy or girl btw? 04:47 dcook Ha. We're not telling anyone. We're crazy hippies O_O. 04:48 Francesca lol 04:48 ibeardslee that's good, why impose gender expectations on someone so young 04:49 Francesca wahanui dcook is <reply> a crazy hippy (according to himself) 04:49 Francesca where is wahanui 04:50 Francesca @wunder wlg 04:50 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (4:30 PM NZST on May 04, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 04:50 dcook ibeardslee: That's the idea 04:50 dcook https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d4/fd/16/d4fd161a5618acef2b934c1f11e07800.jpg 04:51 ibeardslee ah yeap that's the one I was thinking of 04:51 dcook :) 04:56 dcook @wunder syd 04:56 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 23.0°C (2:30 PM AEST on May 04, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 04:56 dcook Lovely... I should leave the house today >_> 04:58 lletelier_ @wunder scl 04:58 huginn lletelier_: The current temperature in Santiago, Chile is 15.0°C (1:00 AM CLST on May 04, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 04:58 dcook Koha community is neat :) 06:04 * magnuse waves 06:04 dcook Nope. Too early :p. 06:04 magnuse hehe 06:04 cait dcook: time for aquick question? 06:05 magnuse our son wanted to be the first to arrive in kindergarten today :-) 06:05 cait :) 06:06 dcook :D 06:07 cait dcook: i have 2 databases - running on the same sever and code - and it looks like one sorts bibnumber asc and hte other bibnumber desc when the sorting critieria is the same in the records 06:07 cait any idea why that is? 06:08 cait I thought i saw you mentioning something about this in one of your emails lately - the bibnumber thing 06:09 dcook cait: I take it that the databases have different data? 06:10 cait yes 06:10 cait search prefs etc seem to be the same 06:10 dcook Now I'm trying to remember Zebra things.. 06:10 cait I have run out of ideas 06:10 dcook Bibnumbre asc happens when... 06:11 * dcook should review some of his own comments 06:11 dcook I know I know the answer... haha 06:13 dcook " If they’re in perfect ascending/descending order, chances are that your relevance is silently turned off." 06:13 dcook Oh, because Zebra's default sort order is biblionumber ascending I think 06:14 dcook Surprised that the other one is bibnumber desc when sorting.. 06:14 dcook cait: Do you have auto truncation on? 06:14 cait hm, can't check from here 06:14 cait but i thought i had that checked and it was off in both 06:15 cait they are supposed to sort both on 008 06:15 cait publication date by default 06:15 dcook Ooh that's interesting 06:15 cait but when the year is the same, we see the bibnumber sorting.... just in 2 different ways 06:16 dcook Mmmm 06:16 dcook Yeah, I did encounter something like that recently when relevance was the same.. 06:16 dcook I think that might be random 06:16 dcook At least I thought it would be random for relevance... in the case of year.. 06:17 cait hm? 06:18 dcook Well... I guess it could be doing a relvance search and then sorting 06:18 dcook Because relevance isn't actually sorting 06:18 dcook It's a totally different thing 06:18 dcook When we relevance searches, we're actually just not sending a sort query part.. 06:19 dcook Do they consistently sort ascending on one instance and sort descending on the other? 06:19 cait yes 06:19 cait it's very repeatable 06:19 dcook Hmm 06:19 dcook Oh, I have a thought.. 06:20 dcook Do you have yaz-client access? 06:22 dcook Also which version of Koha are you using? 06:22 dcook Ideally, it would be nice if you could reproduce the query using yaz-client, and it would be good if you could view the Zebra server logs with a high degree of verbosity 06:24 dcook I would expect sorts bibnumber asc to be a case where Zebra is indexing the records in bibnumber ascending order... 06:25 dcook The descending order is bizarre... unless they are being ranked by relevance.. 06:28 cait an older version 06:28 cait hm no yaz access... 06:29 dcook :( 06:30 cait i am running out of time - i can check on the version when at work 06:30 dcook Yikes... I think I just got an error from 16.05 when trying to do a weighted query in Koha... 06:31 dcook Alas, I'd need more details to really know :/ 06:32 cait dcook: thx :) 06:32 dcook Yikes... fuzzy search not working.. 06:33 dcook Hmm fuzzy not working because the use attribute is missing.. 06:35 dcook "$weighted_query .= " or wrdl,fuzzy,r8=\"$operand\""" 06:35 dcook wtf... 06:35 dcook Time for git blame... 06:37 dcook Huh... looks like a mistake by Joshua Ferraro in 2007 06:37 dcook How has this not been caught before now? 06:38 magnuse 9 years fly past sooo quick... 06:38 dcook hehe 06:39 dcook c70df80694577d6e5003241a05093ef5dd28d0f4 06:39 dcook "Getting Search.pm air tight" 06:39 dcook O_O 06:40 dcook Oh man, looks like it goes even further back.. 06:41 * dcook just doesn't care too much atm... 06:43 dcook Hmm unless this breakage occurred more recently.. 06:44 dcook The flaw has been there for about a decade but maybe the code just never got called.. 06:44 dcook Until now! 06:44 dcook Damn my insatiable curiosity... 06:49 alex_a bonjour 06:51 dcook Getting the same error in 3.14... 06:51 dcook Surely this must happen to other people? 06:51 dcook Maybe they don't realize they're getting errors.. 06:51 dcook Because Koha just says no search results returned instead of Zebra error.. 06:52 * magnuse cheers dcook and his curiosity on 06:52 dcook It's very depressing :p 06:54 dcook Ahh, maybe it is my configuration 06:54 dcook Because now that I think about it... Zebra would default to kw if you didn't provide a use attribute.. 06:57 dcook [120] Unsupported Truncation attribute -- v2 addinfo '103' 07:03 dcook According to http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-rpn.html, it should be supported... 07:07 teyekea how can i manually re-index newly added items?? 07:07 dcook teyekea: Manually re-index? 07:08 dcook Argh... 5=103 totally works in 3.14... 07:08 reiveune hello 07:08 dcook Also 3.20... 07:09 teyekea dcook: when i try to search items, it only bring items added before two years. so i want to include the latest items 07:10 dcook There's lots of questions for me to ask you... 07:10 dcook What type of Koha install do you have? Build from source or Debian packages? 07:11 teyekea sure please ask, its from build cause i am on cent os, infact i am not the one who installed it 07:11 dcook That sounds so unfortunate 07:12 dcook That's probabl the least well known installation environment there is 07:12 dcook I'm guessing that you don't have an indexing daemon running 07:12 dcook And that's why you aren't getting anything more recent 07:12 dcook Do you know which user owns your Koha files? 07:13 teyekea yes 07:14 teyekea from the koha user i run rebuild_zebra.pl -v -b -r -a 07:15 dcook Yeah, that'll work once 07:15 dcook You should probably also use the "-x" flag 07:15 teyekea and it returns with number of records exported as authority and biblio then it tries to reindex zebra and after some min it come up with this "zebraidx(7322) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)" 07:16 magnuse ooh, happy star wars day, #koha! 07:16 dcook Ugh, that's not good 07:16 dcook Unfortunately, I can't help right now, as I have to leave for the day 07:16 dcook Hopefully one of these other fine folk can help 07:18 gaetan_B hello 09:42 magnuse kia ora khall! 09:43 khall mornin! 10:18 mtj hey magnuse, thanks for looking at the carousel patch 10:19 mtj ..interesting bug that you found 10:21 magnuse heh, yeah. at first i assumed it was just a broken isbn, but it turned out it was just fine 10:23 mtj makes me wonder why i didnt use isbn13 format - instead of isbn10 10:23 mtj that conversion seems to make more sense 10:24 mtj eg: isbn10 -> isbn13 10:25 mtj ..then 979* isbns would be handled ok too 10:26 * mtj tries that 10:27 magnuse yeah, i think that should work 10:33 mtj aah, click... amazon wants an isbn10 format only 10:48 cait still? ugh 11:06 mtj hmm, i think there is a bug in Business::ISBN.pm 11:08 mtj hmm, or not too 11:09 mtj i guess the isbn10/13 conversions have to assume a 978 prefix - and nothing else 11:10 mtj ..which is why a 979* isbn cant be converted, as it would clash with its 978* equiv. 11:10 mtj ok, makes sense 11:31 * Oak waves 11:41 oleonard Hi #koha 11:42 druthb Hi, oleonard. :) 11:56 oleonard Hm... git fetch failing for me today 12:20 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "That is quite an onclick" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/437 12:22 tcohen morning 12:30 oleonard Hi tcohen, and any other awake peoples 12:30 cait hi oleonard 12:32 tcohen hi cait oleonard 12:33 eythian hi oleonard cait tcohen 12:34 eythian @later tell rangi actually, it ended up that the headphones I wanted don't even exist in NZ any longer, so I just bought some here that aren't quite what I was hoping for, but will do the job. 12:34 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 12:35 marcelr hi #koha 12:35 tcohen hi marcelr! 12:35 marcelr hi tcohen 12:39 magnuse oleonard: a mere 86 quots! 12:40 eythian quotloos on the winner? 12:47 marcelr tcohen: Koha became probably a Plack app for performance reasons; if we get every library along, is another question (money, skills etc.) 12:47 tcohen marcelr: I think it is (almost) ready for being the default setup 12:48 tcohen and my question is related to how we (devs) work on Koha 12:48 marcelr yes 12:48 tcohen Koha packages have a way to easily enable plack right now 12:48 marcelr it may be a strategic issue too 12:48 tcohen doing it by default is a 2 lines patch 12:49 tcohen the broader use, the faster we spot issues 12:55 cait tcohen: i was wondering - is it true that with plack you can't do the apache tricks? (overwriting system preferences, different opac views)? 12:55 tcohen i'm not sure cait 12:56 tcohen but that's something expert users do, that could of course disable plack on a global config variable if needed 12:56 cait from the bugs it read like we wer more and more enforcing plack 12:57 cait it might be an expert function - but for consortia I think quite important 12:57 eythian you can set environment vars still 13:01 cait someone said some things would not work 13:01 cait so would be good to clear that up 13:01 tcohen :-P 13:01 tcohen if it means there are bugs filled for that... 13:03 cait i don't have plack atm still, would be nice if someone could check it 13:04 tcohen cait: what specificaly? the sysprefs override thing? 13:04 cait yep 13:04 cait and the separate opac trick 13:04 tcohen will you vagrant up at some point? 13:05 tcohen i don't know about the separate opac trick 13:05 cait i will try again once i have the new lapto 13:05 cait p 13:05 tcohen what is it about? 13:05 cait but i still have to pick one and order it 13:05 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Support_for_multiple_PAC_interfaces_by_URL_RFC 13:05 cait This feature is implemented via the web server's capacity to pass environment variables to CGI. Three environment variables are defined: ... 13:06 tcohen i don't see why it would fail 13:06 tcohen but 13:07 tcohen you need to handle the different vhosts creation on your own 13:07 tcohen but hey, you already do that! 13:22 magnuse have fun #koha! 13:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16383: Making Local Use sysprefs actions buttons <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ef63544d71eac3d4f8c8c488e67de405a980115> / DBIx updates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6ddabdc66c91097dbfde2fb0a87dfc3b2f43c3f> 13:34 tcohen cait: once you have the laptop, I can help you set plack so you can test if that feature is actually broken 13:38 marcelr khall: bug 16170 still needs the corresponding change in the DBIx schema: Koha/Schema/Result/Item.pm 13:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16170 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Pseudo foreign key in Items 13:38 khall will do marcelr! thanks for the reminder! 13:38 marcelr khall: note that running the dbix update script still gives me a lot of changes? 13:38 oleonard There is more to enabling Plack on packages than running the commands listed in this section? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack#Plack_on_packages_.283.22.2B.29 13:38 marcelr khall: when will you push bug 16155 13:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16155 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Passed QA , Composite keys in TestBuilder and more 13:38 khall very soon marcelr 13:39 marcelr cool 13:39 drojf hi #koha 13:40 marcelr hi drojf 13:40 * cait waves 13:41 cait tcohen: hope not too late then with the new discussion 13:41 drojf hi marcelr and cait 13:42 tcohen oleonard: nope :-D 13:42 oleonard tcohen: Thanks 13:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16016: Sitemap handling scripts for packages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e7734ce330ce73eaa5cfbd7525ea073bb2a1acb> / Bug 15564 - Fix tranfert branch: Set collection branch with return branch if it is... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=30dc04c74a2ef00c22667f722746c2c6be1da6b1> / Bug 15564 - Display "print slip" option when returning an item which is in 13:44 tcohen woooooooo 13:44 tcohen hi drojf khall 13:45 khall hi! 13:45 tcohen thanks for pushing 16016 khall! 13:45 khall np! 13:47 tcohen Joubu++ # performance boost! 13:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13903: (QA followup) change routes to /holds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d31efa2b57caf239e6d974600036efb07196268> / Bug 13903: Add API routes to list, create, update, delete reserves <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=70928807d83a8156b77396359b18579d6c7677eb> / Bug 15126: Update patron definition <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi 14:02 marcelr @later tell Joubu please look at "Undefined subroutine CGI::multi_param" in Biblio.pm line 2519 when running TransformHtmlToMarc.t 14:02 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded. 14:03 cait there is still a patch missing for the multi-param 14:03 cait the second part - could it be fixed by that? 14:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14622 - New data in French Canadian for the web installer. Add "fr-CA" folder. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b09460de906a91e34888a7967111090810d39fcd> / Bug 7143: Moving about to 16.05. Hurray. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6af943a391e7883f1e7c13df3e917c97c99138b4> 14:05 marcelr i do not think so: this is called by a test and does not reach the multi param redefine statement 14:08 drojf @later tell magnuse need more info ;) what is the setup? i have no problem with regular koha files with two vhosts 14:08 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 14:09 tcohen marcelr: isn't it awesome that all tests now pass? 14:09 marcelr khall++ tcohen++ 14:09 tcohen well, we are three bugs away from that 14:09 tcohen but they are PQA 14:09 marcelr just wait 2 mins 14:10 tcohen \o/ 14:10 marcelr :) 14:10 marcelr did you see: TransformHtmlToMarc.t ? 14:10 tcohen we followed the golden rule: if a test fails, comment it out! 14:10 tcohen :-P 14:10 marcelr delete it 14:10 tcohen i'll take a look 14:10 marcelr multi_param stuff 14:11 marcelr depends on environment vars available 14:11 marcelr and your CGI version ;) 14:11 marcelr mine is low... 14:11 marcelr looooow 14:11 tcohen prove t/Biblio/TransformKohaToMarc.t t/db_dependent/Biblio/TransformHtmlToMarc.t 14:11 marcelr CGI-- 14:11 tcohen green for me 14:11 tcohen just those warnings 14:11 marcelr not for me 14:11 marcelr np 14:12 tcohen are you on wheezy? 14:12 marcelr yes sir 14:12 marcelr have to update 14:12 marcelr for plack.. 14:12 tcohen if it fails on wheezy... 14:12 tcohen ... deprecate wheezy! 14:12 marcelr right 14:12 tcohen i'm joking 14:13 marcelr right again 14:14 bag deprecate wheezy! 14:14 bag :D 14:15 marcelr hi bag 14:15 bag heya marcelr 14:15 marcelr bag: kyle did your job 14:16 marcelr clearing the queue 14:16 marcelr down to 3 now 14:16 bag yeah I had wall to wall meetings yesterday so I ask him to pick up the slack :D 14:16 bag khall++ 14:16 marcelr khall++ 14:16 khall lol 14:17 tcohen khall++ 14:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16405: Fix Circulation/NoIssuesChargeGuarantees.t test 2 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c04078abf6b8570b6b206f871619a008fe69f125> / Bug 10171: (QA followup) Make search tests use the right form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f18c16872e0258a919247ac3d05219d46215eac> 14:33 tcohen tadaaaa 14:34 marcelr 0 in PQA 14:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16390: Accounts.t does not need MPL <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dbceac466772fa65fe3676163b89dec37151b23> 14:58 marcelr Can't open file "definitions/index.json": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Swagger2.pm line 363 14:59 Joubu marcelr: did you open a bug report for the undef sub warning? 14:59 marcelr no 14:59 marcelr probably only on wheezy an issue 15:00 Joubu I get the warning too 15:00 Joubu but I don't understand where it comes from 15:02 marcelr because you do not reach the redefine statement 15:02 marcelr check the $ENV stuff 15:02 marcelr discussed it earlier? 15:04 marcelr add a ENV statement in the test ?? 15:04 marcelr or a redefine? 15:06 Joubu I don't get what you are saying, I am using CGI 4.25 so I do not need the redefine 15:07 Joubu The warning raised by transformhtml2marc is "CGI::param called in list context" 15:07 marcelr ok 15:07 Joubu nevermind, we can ignore it 15:09 marcelr tcohen: do not really like the BAILOUT in batch.t when running multiple tests ;) 15:09 marcelr Further testing stopped 15:10 tcohen ah, not my fault :-D 15:10 tcohen blame jcamins 15:10 marcelr poor jcamins 15:10 tcohen the test suit has evolved a lot, not really his fault 15:11 marcelr also saw a double plan coming across with the search test without an environment var 15:11 marcelr test more does not like that 15:11 marcelr you cannot say plan 15 and later plan skip_all 15:12 tcohen you mean search_utf8.t? 15:12 marcelr yeah 15:12 tcohen we FOUR skip_all :-P 15:13 marcelr but i see another one 15:13 marcelr t/db_dependent/www/auth_values_input_www.t ................... You tried to plan twice at t/db_dependent/www/auth_values_input_www.t line 47. 15:13 marcelr when you miss a env paramter 15:14 tcohen yeah, they should all BAILOUT 15:14 marcelr no 15:14 marcelr just exit please 15:14 * tcohen feels funny today 15:14 marcelr bailout kills all tests 15:14 Joubu tcohen: if you like the cache patches, any chances to get a signoff on them? :) 15:14 marcelr just skip one test 15:15 tcohen Joubu: I'm right on it actually, just got distracted rewriting some other tests 15:15 Joubu thanks :) 15:16 * cait loves watching marcelr, tcohen and Joubu :) 15:17 cait you read like things getting done :) 15:17 Joubu I think 16431 is quite interesting and, *if* I did not do anything wrong, it will improves the readability and the perfs 15:17 marcelr bug 16431 15:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16431 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Marc subfield structure should be cached using Koha::Cache 15:26 drojf nobody is going to maintan 16.05? 15:26 Joubu First to ask will maintain, that's was the plan 15:26 Joubu drojf: you won! 15:26 drojf https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_16.11 15:26 drojf nope :P 15:26 drojf i'm fine with packaging ;) 15:29 drojf less work packaging if there are no maintainers :P 15:29 gmcharlt heh 15:29 drojf gmcharlt: did you get the tests silent when building packages or did you turn them off? 15:30 drojf i can't get that stupid font test to pass and i have no idea what to do about it 15:30 drojf i wonder if i have zto actually install koha in the pbuilder envorinment to make that pass, which is not what i want to do 15:30 gmcharlt drojf: I go with a clean 'make test' in pbuilder 15:31 gmcharlt that doesn't, of course, run all the tests, but suffices to ensure that the result is at least installable 15:39 Joubu oleonard: did you have a look at the icons Héctor chose on bug 16438? 15:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16438 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hector.hecaxmmx, Signed Off , Use Font Awesome icons in batch templates 15:40 oleonard No, I'll look now. 15:40 Joubu thanks 15:44 drojf gmcharlt: i get an error for a test regarding font paths in koha-conf.xml all the time 15:44 * Oak waves 15:54 Joubu @later tell rangi splitter is not up-to-date again, see bug 16154 marked as signed off, but pushed since 26th April... Any ideas why it happens? 15:54 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 15:57 tcohen Joubu: i will sign your patches in the next 3 hours 15:57 tcohen i like them 15:57 tcohen just want to do a full review 15:57 Joubu tcohen: yes please :) 16:21 Joubu oleonard: thanks for you comment, that was my feeling too 16:23 Joubu oleonard: what about using the same icon (x) for all the 'clear' actions? 16:24 oleonard I think with no icon the user is more likely to carefully read the link text. Three of the same icon might be confusing 16:27 Joubu k 16:27 gaetan_B bye 17:02 reiveune bye 17:56 oleonard How does batch record deletion by file work? When I try it I always get only one match. 17:56 oleonard How does it match the records in the file with the records in Koha? 17:58 Karl_H What's in the file you're using oleonard? 17:58 oleonard Is it supposed to be a CSV of biblionumbers? 17:58 Karl_H Generally I just use a file with a list of id numbers, no headers 17:59 oleonard I see, I was hoping it was possible to use a MARC file. 18:00 Joubu oleonard: yes it's a list of bibnum 18:46 oleonard Should it be possible to add an item modification by age rule without an age? Or, for that matter, without at least one condition and substitution? 18:57 Joubu oleonard: you need at least 1 rule for the cronjob to work 18:58 Joubu iirc, the condition is optional, but the substitution is not 18:58 Joubu however, the "value" (right member) can be empty (if you want to empty the field for instance) 18:59 oleonard What about the age? 18:59 Joubu oleonard: Have a look at the help page, I have put some examples on it 18:59 Joubu no the age is mandatory 18:59 Joubu but let me confirm that 19:00 oleonard .@ later me if you find out something different 19:00 Joubu no, age does not seem mandatory, looking at the subroutine 19:01 Joubu but I am not sure it makes sense not to define an age 19:02 Joubu ha yes it does, if the condition is sufficient 19:05 Joubu @later tell oleonard: Age is not mandatory, the conditions can be sufficient 19:05 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 19:20 indradg hello #koha 19:26 * indradg waves at druthb 19:52 * andreashm waves 19:53 * cait waves 19:57 cait koha meeting in 3 minutes 19:58 andreashm hi cait 19:58 andreashm oh, nice timing 19:58 andreashm Humm. Merge conflict in api/v1/swagger.js for bug 15165. 19:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15165 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Signed Off , REST API routes to list, edit and pay borrower's accountlines 20:01 andreashm Could it be because of changes to bug 15126, which it depends on? 20:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15126 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , REST API: Use newer version of Swagger2 20:04 cait oops 20:04 cait andreashm: it's possible 20:04 cait meeting time!!! 20:04 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 4 May 2016 20:04 huginn Meeting started Wed May 4 20:04:55 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:04 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_4_may_2016' 20:04 cait #topic Introductions 20:05 cait please introduce yourself with #info! 20:05 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 20:05 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 20:05 Colinc #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe Ltd, UK 20:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 20:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ , Germany 20:05 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 20:05 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 20:06 bgkriegel_ #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba Argentina 20:06 cait today's agenda can be found at: 20:06 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, ESI, USA 20:07 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_4_May_2016 20:07 cait #topic Announcements 20:07 cait bag: ping? 20:07 cait hm some general things maybe - people are probably aware :) 20:08 cait #info We are in feature freeze now - only bug fixes are going to be pushed until release 20:08 cait there was also a lot of work done to fix jenkins - i hope we will see green soon 20:08 cait Joubu: anything to add? 20:09 Joubu about? 20:09 Joubu I have just submitted some patches about plack compat 20:09 cait announcements :) 20:09 Joubu might be good to see them into the next release 20:09 cait we are missing our RM 20:10 cait #info Take a look at patches for better Plack compatibility 20:10 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt working on a master package; will be available over the next day or three 20:10 cait thx 20:10 cait i am going to skip update to releases - i think no rmaints available? 20:11 davidnind Hackfest in Marseille in October 20:11 cait ah thx davidnind 20:11 cait do you have the date on hand for an info? 20:11 thd I have one announcement 20:11 davidnind http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2016-May/042650.html 20:12 indradg #Info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, India 20:12 davidnind October, 10th - 14th for the Hackfest 20:12 cait #info Hackfest in Marseille will be October 10th - 15th 20:12 cait thd? 20:12 thd Koha would have much more of my time now if I could obtain a pro-bono or low cost lawyer for my friend's housing court case in New York City 20:13 thd Please see my wiki management proposal for details if you might know someone :) 20:13 drojf i don't think we have a lot of lawyers within the koha team 20:14 thd Of course it just a personal appeal for the possibility that someone might know someone. 20:14 thd I am sorry to have to make such an appeal but the welfare of my friend has to come before Koha. 20:15 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT 20:15 drojf pauls mail said 10--14 20:15 drojf not 15 20:15 cait drojf: isn't hat what i wrote? 20:15 drojf nope 20:16 cait ugh 20:16 drojf :) 20:16 drojf ah it was just your typo, not a wroing info :) 20:16 cait #info Correction: Hackfest in Marseille will be October 10th - 14th (but of course it's nice to stay longer) 20:16 thd s/before Koha/before time for Koha/ 20:16 drojf also he said cheese day is every day, so if you are like me, bring a gasmask 20:16 drojf and oleonard will be there 20:17 drojf if i got that right 20:18 cait yep 20:18 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions 20:18 cait #info be aware, there will be lots of cheese at the Marseille hackfest 20:18 cait ok, moving on? 20:18 cait i'd like to talk elections next :) 20:18 pianohacker hi! 20:19 cait #topic Elections for the 16.11 release team 20:19 pianohacker NOW you guys can talk about important stuff 20:19 talljoy ha! 20:19 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_16.11 20:19 drojf we got no release maintainer for stable 20:20 drojf which is… less than perfect? ^^ 20:20 thd drojf: You are welcome to volunteer. 20:20 cait yep 20:20 pianohacker I haven't had a chance to volunteer, but I volunteer as tribu- QA for 16.11 20:20 drojf thd: thanks, i volunteered for something else 20:20 cait lol 20:20 cait pianohacker: can you add yourself to the wiki page then pleas? and thx! 20:21 pianohacker cait: I will, but may not get a chance right now, so wanted to put myself on the chopping block 20:21 rangi if no one else volunteers ill do rmaint for 16.05 20:21 drojf rangi++ 20:22 cait ok, so at the moment we are missing rmaint 16.05 and possibly if people want to see it continue 3.20 20:22 cait also documentation manager - but I see that davidnind has put his hat down there now :) 20:22 Joubu pianohacker: just added you to the wiki page to the QA team 20:23 cait rangi: do you want to get voted in or wait a bit longer? 20:23 davidnind Happy to help with documentation, not sure if Nicole has just not updated the page... 20:23 pianohacker thanks Joubu 20:23 drojf davidnind: so far you are our man for everything :) 20:24 cait so let's start voting RM 20:24 davidnind hopefully you are just joking drojf ;-) 20:24 cait #startvote Release Manager: Brendan Gallagher (yes,no,abstain) 20:24 huginn Unable to parse vote topic and options. 20:24 cait abstain was the right word i hope? 20:24 thd pianohacker: Did nengard miss posting her name for documentation? 20:25 drojf davidnind: from what i see in the wiki… no :) 20:25 pianohacker thd: just texted her 20:25 cait #startvote Release Manager: Brendan Gallagher? (yes,no,abstain) 20:25 huginn Begin voting on: Release Manager: Brendan Gallagher? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 20:25 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:25 drojf #vote yes 20:25 thd #vote yes 20:25 talljoy #vote yes 20:25 davidnind #vote yes 20:25 indradg #vote yes 20:25 cait #vote yes 20:25 Colinc #vote yes 20:25 pianohacker #vote yes 20:25 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 20:25 pianohacker nengard just said she volunteers for doc manager for 16.11 20:25 Joubu is it the same proposal than for the previous release? Which means pianohacker and khall will be in the RM team also? 20:26 Joubu (don't mean it will change my vote, just want to know :)) 20:26 pianohacker I'm in 20:26 pianohacker bag: is khall? 20:26 Joubu #vote yes 20:27 bag yes 20:27 edveal #info Ed Veal, Bywater Solutions US 20:27 edveal #yes 20:27 cait voting for RM - ends ina moment 20:27 cait edveal: #vote in front for it to count :) 20:27 edveal I know just a typo. thanks cait 20:27 edveal #vote yes 20:28 cait ending vote 20:28 cait #endvote 20:28 huginn Voted on "Release Manager: Brendan Gallagher?" Results are 20:28 huginn yes (11): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, cait, pianohacker, Joubu, indradg, talljoy, edveal, thd, drojf 20:28 cait #agreed Release Manager: Brendan Gallagher 20:28 cait rangi: vote you in or wait? 20:28 rangi only wait if you think someone might volunteer 20:29 cait it's suddenly quiet in here :) 20:29 cait we are going to vote on module maintainers next 20:29 rangi i feel like thats an experiment that has failed 20:30 cait #startvote RMaints: Julian Maurice (3.22), Chris Cormack (16.05)? (yes,no,abstain) 20:30 huginn Begin voting on: RMaints: Julian Maurice (3.22), Chris Cormack (16.05)? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 20:30 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:30 davidnind #vote yes 20:30 Colinc #vote yes 20:30 cait #vote yes 20:30 talljoy #vote yes 20:30 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 20:30 edveal #vote yes 20:30 thd At some future point, with a larger community module maintainers may become a viable experiment. 20:30 drojf #vote yes 20:31 thd #vote yes 20:31 Joubu we should ping fredericd to know if he is still up for RMaint 3.20 20:31 bag bhghhguhgbhhbyhbngbnhgubhhuhuhuhnbjjjbbnhhnbnbjmnbjhugjhjjujyuuhjhuujjhjjhbghvgvrre 20:31 gmcharlt no, I don't think we can permit a cat to be a release maintainer 20:31 gmcharlt sorry, felines! 20:31 bag gtdfdgfdfdcfdcffgdfgdhgrthklllmkhjnnjgjhgjhjyutyutyutyyuuy77777huggjhhghggggytf 20:32 thd :) 20:32 cait ginny? :) 20:32 bag ah sorry that was Ginny 20:32 drojf CAT SHOULD MAINATIN EVERYTING! 20:32 cait ok, ending vote in a moment 20:32 bgkriegel_ :) 20:32 drojf sorry, that was the cat from outside 20:32 cait #endvote 20:32 huginn Voted on "RMaints: Julian Maurice (3.22), Chris Cormack (16.05)?" Results are 20:32 huginn yes (8): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, cait, edveal, talljoy, thd, drojf 20:32 cait #agreed RMaints: Julian Maurice (3.22), Chris Cormack (16.05) 20:33 cait i typoed earlier - i think we won't have module maintainers for 16.11 20:33 talljoy cats++ 20:33 cait so moving on to translation manager 20:33 cait bgkriegel thx for volunteering again! 20:33 drojf bgkriegel++ 20:33 bgkriegel_ :) 20:33 cait #startvote Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel? (yes,no,abstain) 20:33 huginn Begin voting on: Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 20:33 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:33 cait #vote yes 20:33 thd #vote yes 20:33 indradg #vote yes 20:33 davidnind #vote yes 20:33 Colinc #vote yes 20:33 drojf #vote yes 20:34 andreashm #vote yes 20:34 Joubu (just emailed fredericd) 20:34 Joubu #vote yes 20:34 talljoy #vote yes 20:34 edveal #vote yes 20:34 cait Joubu++ 20:34 cait ending vote in a moment 20:35 cait #endvote 20:35 huginn Voted on "Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel?" Results are 20:35 huginn yes (10): Colinc, Joubu, davidnind, cait, andreashm, edveal, indradg, talljoy, thd, drojf 20:35 cait #agreed Translation Manager: Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 20:35 cait next is docs manager 20:35 cait i am going to combine nicole and david if noone disagrees :) 20:36 cait #startvote Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard, David Nind to help? (yes,no,abstain) 20:36 huginn Begin voting on: Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard, David Nind to help? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 20:36 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:36 cait #vote yes 20:36 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 20:36 rangi #vote yes 20:36 indradg #vote yes 20:36 thd #vote yes 20:36 talljoy #vote yes 20:36 Colinc #vote yes 20:36 Joubu #vote yes 20:36 edveal #vote yes 20:36 davidnind #vote yes 20:36 cait ending vote in a moment 20:37 cait #endvote 20:37 huginn Voted on "Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard, David Nind to help?" Results are 20:37 huginn yes (10): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, cait, Joubu, indradg, talljoy, edveal, thd, rangi 20:37 cait #agreed Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard, David Nind to help 20:37 cait There is no volunteer for database documentation manager 20:37 cait i think maybe best if this kind of documentation is included in the patch adding a table or column 20:37 indradg +1 20:37 cait #chair drojf 20:37 huginn Current chairs: cait drojf 20:38 thd It may be an oversight by nengard. 20:38 Joubu I think it's part of the requirements 20:38 drojf ok so i guess we vote for QA manager and team :) 20:38 cait maybe doesn't need to be a separate role 20:38 drojf lets start with QA manager. cait is offering to do it again 20:38 drojf #startvote QA Manager: Katrin Fischer? (yes,no,abstain) 20:38 huginn Begin voting on: QA Manager: Katrin Fischer? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 20:38 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:38 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 20:39 indradg #vote yes 20:39 rangi #vote yes 20:39 Colinc #vote yes 20:39 drojf #vote yes 20:39 andreashm #vote yes 20:39 drojf (i did not forget this time ;) ) 20:39 Joubu #vote yes 20:39 thd What happened to pianohacker on QA? 20:39 davidnind #vote yes 20:39 edveal #vote yes 20:39 thd #vote yes 20:39 thd Nevermind I see him. ;) 20:40 drojf everyone voted? will end vote in a moment 20:40 drojf ending vote now… 20:40 drojf #endvote 20:40 huginn Voted on "QA Manager: Katrin Fischer?" Results are 20:40 huginn yes (10): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, andreashm, Joubu, indradg, edveal, thd, drojf, rangi 20:41 drojf and we got a whole QA team to serve under cait… 20:41 drojf #startvote QA Team: Kyle M Hall, Jonathan Druart, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Jesse Weaver (yes,no,abstain) 20:41 huginn Unable to parse vote topic and options. 20:41 drojf heh 20:41 cait ? 20:41 drojf not sure what i broke 20:41 cait it wants a ?... silly thing 20:41 drojf ah 20:41 drojf ok 20:41 drojf … 20:42 drojf #startvote QA Team: Kyle M Hall, Jonathan Druart, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Jesse Weaver? (yes,no,abstain) 20:42 huginn Begin voting on: QA Team: Kyle M Hall, Jonathan Druart, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Jesse Weaver? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 20:42 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:42 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 20:42 cait #vote yes 20:42 indradg #vote yes 20:42 andreashm #vote yes 20:42 davidnind #vote yes 20:42 thd #vote yes 20:42 Colinc #vote yes 20:42 drojf #vote yes 20:42 edveal #vote yes 20:42 talljoy #vote yes 20:43 drojf closing vote in a moment… 20:44 drojf #endvote 20:44 drojf #agreed QA Team: Kyle M Hall, Jonathan Druart, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Jesse Weaver 20:44 huginn Voted on "QA Team: Kyle M Hall, Jonathan Druart, Tomas Cohen Arazi, Marcel de Rooy, Nick Clemens, Jesse Weaver?" Results are 20:44 huginn yes (10): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, cait, andreashm, edveal, indradg, talljoy, thd, drojf 20:44 drojf i think i missed this one… 20:44 drojf #agreed QA Manager: Katrin Fischer 20:44 drojf heh 20:45 cait next to vote on ... is packaging manager, so I am going to take over again :) 20:45 drojf handing back to cait 20:45 cait #startvote Packaging Manager: Mirko Tietgen? (yes,no,abstain) 20:45 huginn Begin voting on: Packaging Manager: Mirko Tietgen? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 20:45 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:45 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 20:45 cait #vote yes 20:45 indradg #vote yes 20:45 talljoy #vote yes 20:45 Colinc #vote yes 20:45 davidnind #vote yes 20:45 thd #vote yes 20:45 edveal #vote yes 20:46 Joubu #vote yes 20:46 rangi #vote yes 20:46 cait ending vote in a moment 20:46 gmcharlt #vote yes 20:47 cait :) 20:47 cait #endvote 20:47 huginn Voted on "Packaging Manager: Mirko Tietgen?" Results are 20:47 huginn yes (11): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, cait, edveal, indradg, talljoy, Joubu, gmcharlt, thd, rangi 20:47 cait #agreed Packaging Manager: Mirko Tietgen 20:47 drojf damn 20:47 drojf ^^ 20:47 cait congrats ;) 20:47 eythian G'luck drojf 🙂 20:47 drojf err, thanks 20:47 cait ok, almost done 20:47 drojf eythian: you will have a lot to teach me at the hackfest :) 20:48 bag drojf++ 20:48 rangi drojf: we will have liw too? 20:48 cait #startvote Bug Wranglers: Indranil Das Gupta? (yes,no,abstain) 20:48 huginn Begin voting on: Bug Wranglers: Indranil Das Gupta? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 20:48 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:48 talljoy #vote yes 20:48 thd #vote yes 20:48 eythian Sure, I will tell you all the things I wanted to do so you can do them 😀 20:48 drojf rangi: that's the other hackfest ;) 20:48 edveal #vote yes 20:48 rangi #vote yes 20:48 Colinc #vote yes 20:48 drojf #vote yes 20:48 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 20:48 cait #vote yes 20:48 davidnind #vote yes 20:49 Joubu #vote yes 20:49 cait ending vote in a moment 20:50 gmcharlt #vote yes 20:50 drojf eythian: i hope some of them are what i want to do anyway :D 20:50 cait #endvote 20:50 huginn Voted on "Bug Wranglers: Indranil Das Gupta?" Results are 20:50 huginn yes (11): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, cait, edveal, gmcharlt, talljoy, Joubu, thd, drojf, rangi 20:50 cait #agreed Bug Wranglers: Indranil Das Gupta 20:50 cait ok, one more to go 20:50 cait wiki curators 20:52 cait #startvote Wiki curators: Brooke (starting mid-June), Thomas Dukleth, David Nind? (yes,no,abstain) 20:52 huginn Begin voting on: Wiki curators: Brooke (starting mid-June), Thomas Dukleth, David Nind? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 20:52 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 20:52 thd #vote yes 20:52 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 20:52 Colinc #vote yes 20:52 edveal #vote yes 20:52 Joubu #vote yes 20:52 davidnind #vote yes 20:53 talljoy #vote yes 20:53 indradg #vote yes 20:53 Joubu (we should add a new role on which we would vote no) 20:54 thd :) 20:54 gmcharlt Proprietary Extension Manager? ;) 20:54 indradg :) 20:54 thd :) 20:54 indradg LiveDVD ;-) 20:54 cait hehe 20:54 cait ending vote in a moment 20:54 cait #vote yes 20:54 cait #endvote 20:54 huginn Voted on "Wiki curators: Brooke (starting mid-June), Thomas Dukleth, David Nind?" Results are 20:54 huginn yes (9): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, cait, Joubu, indradg, talljoy, edveal, thd 20:55 cait #agreed Wiki curators: Brooke (starting mid-June), Thomas Dukleth, David Nind 20:55 cait we are done! 20:55 cait thx to everyone volunteering! 20:55 cait moving on 20:56 cait ? 20:56 pianohacker y 20:56 cait #topic Hackfest in Berlin 20:56 cait drojf: ? 20:56 drojf oh 20:56 drojf well 20:57 drojf only a little places left 20:57 drojf seems to be an awesome event ;) 20:57 drojf can#t reeally say much new things 20:58 Joubu (just got an answer from fredericd: he is up for 16.05, or 3.20 if it's too late) 20:59 thd We had not yet voted on rangi's offer. 20:59 thd ... If I recall correctly. 20:59 drojf i outsourced the debian packaging workshop to kohacon for the greater good ;) 20:59 cait we elected, but we can still change 21:00 thd rangi: Are you still here? 21:01 thd If rangi is no longer here, perhaps we could notify him and reopen the question at the next meeting. 21:01 cait next meeting uusally will be after the rlease with the normal schedule 21:01 cait but we could work something out 21:02 thd Yes, true. 21:02 cait i guess one question is on what to do with 3.20 21:02 cait do we still want to maintain it? 21:03 cait oh the quiet 21:03 gmcharlt unless somebody is eager to maintain it, two stable releases seems sufficiently 21:04 Joubu it should be easier than 16.05 21:04 davidnind Normally current + previous? older releases if there is a maintainer 21:04 pianohacker if we drop it, do we still handle security patches? 21:04 pianohacker it = 3.20 21:05 cait pianohacker: needs someone to do it 21:05 Joubu only 2 sounds weird to me, it's only 1 year 21:06 rangi we normally have 3 21:06 rangi 18 months 21:06 rangi ill do 3.20 21:06 rangi fredericd can do 16.05 21:07 cait would that be ok with everyone if we voted on that again? Joubu: certain about fredericd? 21:07 andreashm fine with me 21:07 davidnind rangi++ 21:07 davidnind fine with me 21:08 cait #topic Re-Elections 21:08 thd vote again now 21:08 Joubu "I was thinking about trying the stable 16.05 version" that's the translatable answer. So I'd say yes 21:09 cait #startvote Change for RMaints: Frederic Demians (16.05), Chris Cormack (3.20)? (yes,no,abstain) 21:09 huginn Begin voting on: Change for RMaints: Frederic Demians (16.05), Chris Cormack (3.20)? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 21:09 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 21:09 cait could someone update the wiki page for me please? 21:09 davidnind #vote yes 21:09 indradg cait: on it 21:09 indradg #vote yes 21:09 Colinc #vote yes 21:09 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 21:09 Joubu #vote yes 21:09 andreashm #vote yes 21:10 cait #vote yes 21:10 cait thx indradg 21:10 cait ending vote in a moment 21:10 cait #endvote 21:10 huginn Voted on "Change for RMaints: Frederic Demians (16.05), Chris Cormack (3.20)?" Results are 21:10 huginn yes (7): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, cait, andreashm, Joubu, indradg 21:10 cait #agreed Change for RMaints: Frederic Demians (16.05), Chris Cormack (3.20) 21:10 cait moving on 21:10 cait #topic KohaCon16 21:11 cait ikourmou: still with us? 21:11 ikourmou yep! 21:11 cait yay1 21:11 cait :) 21:11 ikourmou three weeks away... 21:11 ikourmou we are making the final arrangements 21:12 ikourmou we seem to have a little problem though lately 21:12 thd` I guess I was disconnected. Did I miss the revote? 21:12 ikourmou more than 250 people registerd 21:13 rangi whoa! 21:13 rangi thats a good turnout :) 21:13 cait whoa indeed 21:13 ikourmou and the venue we booked will not be enough for all of them 21:13 cait #info more than 250 people registered 21:13 rangi are you making them confirm? (so you get a better idea how many will actually show up) 21:13 ikourmou but, yes, it;s a pleasant headache 21:14 rangi my guess is if 250 register, 200ish will show 21:14 rangi based on past experienc 21:14 rangi e 21:14 pianohacker thd`: yes: rangi for 3.20 and fredericd for 16.05 21:14 ikourmou I hope you are right @rangi 21:15 rangi but it wouldn;t hurt to send out please confirm you are attending emails .. just so you have a better idea :) 21:15 ikourmou anyway, we have another auditorium available and we will probably stream the whole event there too 21:15 cait rangi: they send confirm if you don't come emails :) 21:15 cait sent 21:16 rangi oh, hmm i dont remember getting one 21:16 ikourmou also more than 80 people stated that they are going to attend the hackfest 21:16 cait wow too! 21:16 rangi that would be great 21:16 drojf lol wtf 21:16 drojf do you have room for that? :) 21:16 cait lots of new devs to be recruited and testers 21:17 rangi for that many people i reckon we might want to split into a few rooms 21:17 rangi or it will be too loud 21:17 ikourmou I'm a little cautious with the last one, thinking that some (or many of them) don;t have a clear picture fo what a hackfest is... 21:17 rangi beginners room, presentations room, projects room 21:17 rangi or something 21:18 rangi the experienced devs could all take turns doing a few hours in the beginners room 21:18 ikourmou we are going to need your help and experience with this 21:18 rangi creating new devs :) 21:19 ikourmou I plan to send an email to the list asking for topics to deal with during the hackfest... 21:20 Joubu just after the release, we will have hundreds of little bugs to fix :) 21:20 rangi we will have the debian packaging tutorial .. i think having a room where people can do tutorials, presentations .. then some rooms where people can work 21:20 cait yep 21:20 rangi is a good way to do it 21:20 cait yeah 80 in one room oculd get loud - but nto sure what is doable 21:21 cait i can help with beginners too - but maybe not with setting up installations 21:22 rangi i reckon there are enough of us, so that we can take turns 21:22 ikourmou I would also like to ask the hackfest participants to spend some time dealing with the bugs / enhancements that are important for our library / installation. Do you think it;s ok? 21:22 rangi i think thats a great idea ikourmou 21:23 * cait agrees 21:23 davidnind Was at a Drupal hackfest in Melbourne last year, over 100 in the room (setup was with 7 or 8 seats at round tables, screen at front), with hackfest volunteers in bright t-shirts working/helping new attendees and hackfest 'manager' keeping to a loose programme 21:23 cait giving back something to the host... sounds very Koha I think? 21:23 rangi cait: exactly 21:24 cait :) 21:24 ikourmou ok, thanks for the advice and ideas, the organizing committee will surely take them into account. 21:25 davidnind perhaps more a flexible programme, rather than 'loose'... 21:25 cait ikourmou: i think we are all very much lookin gforward to the conference - thx for the great work organizing it 21:25 Joubu ikourmou: feel free to let us know the bug/enh list in advance 21:25 cait yep 21:25 rangi ikourmou++ 21:25 cait ikourmou++ 21:26 davidnind ikourmou++ 21:26 ikourmou we might need some volunteers to chair some sessions, please keep that in mind ;-) 21:26 cait just ask 21:26 indradg ikourmou++ 21:26 ikourmou ok, thx cait! 21:27 cait :) 21:27 cait ok, any more questions kohacon? 21:27 cait we have some remaining topics on the agenda 21:27 cait KohaCon17 - no change in proposals, so maybe skip? 21:27 cait voting process... as we are running late, maybe push that too 21:28 cait and a vote on the draft rulles for thd grants committee 21:28 cait is anyone of the funds committee available? 21:28 cait bag? 21:28 gmcharlt I'll do it 21:28 cait ah thx gmcharlt 21:28 bag :) 21:28 cait let me change topic 21:29 gmcharlt ok 21:29 cait #topic International koha Fund - Draft Rules for THT Grants Committee 21:29 cait #chair gmcharlt 21:29 huginn Current chairs: cait drojf gmcharlt 21:29 gmcharlt #info Minutes of the 19 April 2016 fundraising committee meeting: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising_Committee_Meeting_19_April_2016 21:29 gmcharlt During the meeting, we discussed some changes to the draft rules for the grants subcommittee based on feedback at an earlier general IRC meeting 21:30 gmcharlt #info Changes to draft rules: https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Fundraising&action=historysubmit&diff=16342&oldid=16169 21:30 gmcharlt so, to enumerate the changes: 21:31 gmcharlt - we clarified the wording about contract employees and how they affect the rule that any given organization can have only one member on the subcommittee 21:31 gmcharlt - we changed quarter to period, as we don't expect to be reviewing grant applications quarterly (at least, not initially) 21:32 gmcharlt - we fixed a reference 21:33 gmcharlt #info Current version of grants committee rules: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising#International_Koha_Fund_-_Grants_Committee 21:33 gmcharlt so, per the agenda today, I would like to call a community vote on those grant committee draft rules 21:34 gmcharlt upon a positive vote, they would then be forwarded to THT for their formal assent (although of course they've been following along during the development of the draft) 21:34 gmcharlt so, before I call the vote, does anybody wish to ask questions or discuss? Out of respect to the length of the meeting, I will keep discussion limited to just five minutes 21:35 gmcharlt (and if things prove controversial, defer the vote) 21:35 davidnind gmcharlt++ 21:36 bag hmm looks like no questions - move to vote? 21:37 cait +1 21:37 gmcharlt I'll give folks another 30 seconds before calling the vote 21:37 bag (sorry if I am too quick ;) ) 21:37 * gmcharlt hums a prestissimo version of the Imperial March from Star Wars 21:38 gmcharlt and I'm done humming, and the 30 seconds have passed 21:38 bgkriegel_ :) 21:38 gmcharlt #vote Shall the draft rules for the Grants Committee be approved and formally forwarded to THT? (yes,no,abstain) 21:38 gmcharlt #startvote Shall the draft rules for the Grants Committee be approved and formally forwarded to THT? (yes,no,abstain) 21:38 huginn Begin voting on: Shall the draft rules for the Grants Committee be approved and formally forwarded to THT? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 21:38 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 21:38 davidnind #vote yes 21:39 thd` #vote yes 21:39 andreashm #vote yes 21:39 bgkriegel_ #vote yes 21:39 gmcharlt #vote yes 21:40 indradg #vote yes 21:40 gmcharlt I will hold the vote open for two more minutes 21:40 cait #vote yes 21:40 bag #vote yes 21:41 gmcharlt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73tGe3JE5IU 21:41 Colinc #vote yes 21:42 gmcharlt #endvote 21:42 huginn Voted on "Shall the draft rules for the Grants Committee be approved and formally forwarded to THT?" Results are 21:42 huginn yes (9): Colinc, bgkriegel_, davidnind, cait, andreashm, thd`, bag, indradg, gmcharlt 21:42 gmcharlt #agreed The draft rules of the Grants Committe of the Koha International Fund have the assent of the Koha community and will be formally forwarded to THT 21:43 gmcharlt there is another matter to discuss, but given the time, I'll push it out to the next general meeting: changing article 4 to permit majority vote rather than consensus 21:43 * gmcharlt hands the meeting back to cait 21:44 cait ok 21:44 cait i thnk given the time we will push actions to next 21:44 cait as i see some things there noted ashomework and have some doubts people did their homework :) 21:44 cait next meeting 21:44 cait #topic Next Meeting 21:44 cait wednesday... 21:45 cait wednesday June 8? 21:45 cait the week after kohacon 21:45 cait 10 utc 21:46 thd` Is it 10 UTC next time? 21:46 thd` cait++\ 21:46 davidnind yep - sounds good to me 21:46 * cait waits for vetos 21:47 cait #agreed Next meeting will be held on June 8, 10 UTC 21:47 cait #endmeeting 21:47 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 4 21:47:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 21:47 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_4_may_2016.2016-05-04-20.04.html 21:47 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_4_may_2016.2016-05-04-20.04.txt 21:47 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_4_may_2016.2016-05-04-20.04.log.html 21:47 cait phew - thx everyone! 21:47 davidnind cait++ 21:47 bgkriegel_ cait++ 21:47 bgkriegel_ Bye 21:47 gmcharlt cait++ 21:48 Joubu bye #koha 21:48 rangi eythian: you about? 21:50 * thd` runs to his appointment. 21:52 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Germany is 9.0°C (11:20 PM CEST on May 04, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 21:52 cait @wunder Berlin, Germany 21:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 10.0°C (11:20 PM CEST on May 04, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising). 21:58 andreashm @wunder Sion 21:58 huginn andreashm: The current temperature in Sion military, Switzerland is 10.0°C (11:50 PM CEST on May 04, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 22:02 eythian rangi: sup? 22:03 rangi just checking you saw my later, happy to bring anything you want, if you get it delivered to catalyst 22:03 cait chocolate fish? 22:04 eythian Ta, but no need, the headphones I wanted seem to no longer be made. Ascent doesn't have them any more. 22:06 rangi ahh ascent are gone from the building too 22:06 rangi they are near the third eye now 22:07 rangi level 4 is all catalyst 22:07 eythian Did catalyst take over the space? 22:07 rangi yup 22:07 eythian Ah, cool 22:12 andreashm Anyone know if the presentations at KohaCon will be available afterwards or only streamed live? 22:12 cait sorry, not sure 22:12 * andreashm was going to ask ikourmou, but forgot 22:13 cait if they are streaming to another room, maybe chance are good it's recorded same time 22:13 drojf andreashm: how much do you pay? 22:13 rangi its usually much easier to record for after than stream 22:14 drojf sorry, just checking my market value. lol 22:14 andreashm drojf: :P 22:14 drojf i'd assume if there#s a stream there#s a record 22:15 andreashm yeah, but it's not always but online I've noticed. 22:16 andreashm So I need to know if I can relax and look at the stuff I'm interested in late at night when the kids are sleeping, or if I need to pay attention to the schedule. =) 22:19 andreashm Ok, it's getting late here. time for bed. bye #koha 22:19 rangi cya andreashm 22:41 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/79641365/live-flooding-hits-parts-of-wellington-porirua 22:42 rangi it finally rained today 22:50 ibeardslee puck has headed out there 22:58 eythian I hear there's a nice pool in the carpark 23:06 eythian papa: hi 23:07 papa hey, hi there! 23:07 papa how's life? 23:10 eythian Oh, you no. Continental. 23:10 eythian *know 23:11 eythian Apparently I'm also losing command of English 23:19 aleisha hi all 23:20 cait hi aleisha :) 23:20 rangi hi aleisha 23:20 aleisha been sick all week 23:20 cait oh no 23:20 rangi stink :( 23:21 cait hope you feel better 23:21 rangi missing pizza thursday 23:21 aleisha yeah it's no fun :( thanks cait 23:21 aleisha UGH i always miss out 23:21 aleisha will be on and off working on bugs when i get home from uni though 23:22 rangi only if you feel better :) 23:46 papa eythian: maybe time to go to bed?