Time Nick Message 21:41 cait cool 21:38 wizzyrea She says "You are right I was thinking of the PIN in Registration. Thanks" 21:28 cait wizzyrea++ 21:26 wizzyrea done 21:26 rangi yeah i think so 21:23 wizzyrea we are talking about the tickbox in borrower attributes for "password" right? 21:23 wizzyrea how funny 21:23 wizzyrea oh jeez she's from Salina. That's 30k from my home town. 21:23 cait thx! 21:19 wizzyrea I've got it 21:18 rangi i dont have the brainspace to explain that 21:18 rangi yeah 21:16 cait i kind of thought it was for another application maybe - or a pin... but apart from storing and editing it doesn't seem to do anything 21:16 cait but never fully implemented 21:16 cait someone said as an additional login on the bug report 21:16 rangi eythian: yeah debug level i think 21:16 wizzyrea why were they added originally? 21:16 wizzyrea of the passwords there 21:15 wizzyrea I don't understand the purpose 21:15 cait i tested it today - i can confirm 21:15 eythian (by "those" I mean that error from scrollback :) 21:15 rangi yeah, i dont think she is talking about teh same thing, the password option in extended attributes is totally stored in plain text and it's a really bad idea and should be removed 21:15 eythian there's something we have that causes all errors and warnings to include a stack trace. That would make tracking down those issues a lot easier, I'm sure it's something that could be hooked into debug mode. (I don't know how it's actually done, but it's a lifesaver.) 21:15 cait can someone else try and clear things up? 21:15 wizzyrea they may label the regular password "pin" in their installation 21:14 wizzyrea I think she's confused by the password 21:14 rangi https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-April/045242.html 21:13 cait i don't have her email yet it seems 21:13 cait it stores fine 21:13 rangi also, she has misunderstood the storing in clear text bit too 21:13 cait depends on how they use it - i tried today 21:13 rangi she says they use it, but I dont think any code is there to use it 21:13 rangi its on the list 21:13 cait hm email program is unwilling to open. 21:12 cait oh? 21:12 rangi reply to you and jonathan 21:12 rangi the pin thing 21:12 cait hm? 21:12 rangi i think Dianna might have misunderstood 21:11 rangi hmm 20:48 rangi probably another patch had moved the version number higher than that 20:47 cait what was it? 20:47 cait ah cool 20:34 rangi fixed 20:33 cait hm can help search in a bit - brb 20:31 rangi 3.23.00.037 20:31 rangi lemme check the updatedatabase 20:30 rangi because i just ran the update 20:30 rangi or adds it but not properly 20:30 cait hm or adds? 20:29 rangi so there must be a patch that removes that 20:28 rangi hmm 20:28 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql;hb=98f551faec2627742b0b1d5b72e1791b4451b401#l774 20:28 cait or currencies 20:28 cait rangi: currency 20:27 rangi yeah exactly 20:27 rangi super useful error message! 20:27 cait no idea where this could be 20:27 cait archived. 20:27 wahanui go to bed 20:27 cait hm me? 20:24 rangi out of sync with the schema 20:24 rangi I think it might be just my db 20:23 rangi http://localhost:8081/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl 20:23 rangi im getting that at 20:23 rangi DBIx::Class::ResultSet::next(): Unknown column 'me.archived' in 'field list' at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Objects.pm line 150 20:23 rangi hmm is master currently broken for others? 20:03 cait morning rangi 19:54 rangi morning 19:18 tcohen bye #koha 18:59 oleonard Bye #koha 18:37 tcohen users++ 18:21 oleonard Zero checkouts allowed for an infinite time would be great. 18:20 oleonard Interesting that submitting a blank form for a circulation rule gives you unlimited checkouts allowed but zero for a loan period. 18:19 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 16190: Enable the indexer daemon by default <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98f551faec2627742b0b1d5b72e1791b4451b401> 17:52 tcohen :) 17:52 nengard anyone can resurect that if they want :) 17:51 nengard hmm 17:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1937 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED WONTFIX, Scan barcode with webcam 17:50 oleonard Maybe nengard should resurrect Bug 1937 17:50 tcohen bag: thanks 17:50 tcohen sure! 17:50 tcohen oleonard: hehe 17:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Capture member photo via webcam 17:49 oleonard It's fascinating to me that browser technology has advanced to the point where Bug 6815 could be a workable feature now. 17:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 15113: koha-rebuild-zebra should check USE_INDEXER_DAEMON and skip... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=997ad166c6ea53d47e3e15e7720d63da9f3b0a80> 16:26 khall my bad, I missed that bit 16:26 oleonard There's more going on here than is described in the test plan. 16:26 khall yep! 16:25 oleonard Oh I see it's for getting multiple copies of something, unconnected to item-level holds. 16:24 huginn khall: I've exhausted my database of quotes 16:24 khall @kidclamp++ for that 16:24 khall that was one 16:24 khall nick and the qa team hashed out a list of change requests a while back and I implemented them 16:23 khall it places the number of record level holds you specifiy in the pulldown 16:23 oleonard what does it do? 16:23 khall for convenience when placing multiple record level holds, that was a request by Chris iirc 16:22 oleonard But why is there a drop-down on the 'place hold' screen where I can choose a number for "Holds to place (count)?" 16:21 khall so the patron can place 5 total holds, and only 3 on any given record 16:21 khall no, that's still in effect as well. You could have the hold limit be 5, and the hold per record limit be 3 16:20 bag morning 16:19 oleonard So when placing a hold you can redefine the limit that patron can placed, overriding the setting for that patron category/item type defined in circ rules? 16:18 khall it limits the number of holds a given patron can place on a single record. The default is 1 to replicate existing behavior 16:17 oleonard I don't understand. Does setting that value when placing a hold in the staff client do something? 16:17 gaetan_B bye 16:17 khall oleonard: in the circ rules, I should have specified that ; ) 16:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron 16:16 oleonard khall: What is the "Holds to place (count)" field for in the staff client? (Bug 14695) 16:12 reiveune bye 15:27 drojf later #koha 15:27 * cait is scared 15:27 cait the qa queue is exploding 15:23 cait you are doing great work, have some cookies 15:23 * oleonard sends cookies to everyone whose patches he has failed today... Feeling like an ogre. 15:22 * cait sends cookies 15:22 blou cait: Ok, NOW i sent all the files. Only took my 4 tries... I hope it's the right versions of the files... (blou /crying) 15:21 pianohacker also, hi all 15:15 blou I even TESTED the atomic update throught the webinstaller. I was so sure all was ok. Sigh.... 15:15 cait you are not the first 15:15 cait heh 15:15 blou arrrrgh. I forgot the git add !! 15:11 cait blou: for existng installations 15:11 cait blou: it's missing the atomicupdate - the new patch 15:08 cait was sneaking a look at your new patch 15:08 cait hm not seeing it 15:08 blou already in 15:07 cait blou: don't forget the atomicupdate for the perm :) 15:06 cait you can ignore it for now i think 15:06 cait or more a patch 15:06 cait there is a bug in PQA for that 15:04 blou so it IS unrelated to my patch, then ? 15:03 blou ok 15:03 blou Anyone could cue me onto what is causing that (and its friends) ? 15:03 tcohen blou: I recall Joubu filled a bug for that 15:03 blou FAIL valid Name "Cache::RemovalStrategy::LRU::FIELDS" used only once: possible typo 15:02 blou Got a question about koha-qa 14:59 oleonard Unfortunately I ran into an issue where you can't exclude Bootstrap's forms CSS when doing a custom build, so I'm trying to figure out if I should try for a workaround or just do a bunch of overrides to keep things looking correct. 14:58 oleonard Slowly :) 14:57 pianohacker how is the staff client work going? 14:57 pianohacker I definitely believe that 14:56 oleonard pianohacker: That's how I felt when making the Bootstrap templates for the OPAC 14:56 pianohacker oleonard: it was oddly cathartic 14:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Fix tabs and inconsistent indentation in smart-rules.tt 14:49 oleonard Bug 15456 makes me want to re-indent all the things. 14:28 kidclamp thanks cait 14:25 cait http://bywatersolutions.com/2016/04/19/koha-3-22-custom-sound-alerts/ 14:24 oleonard cait: ? 14:24 cait kidclamp++ nice blog post 14:16 khall it's just to avoid general hold spamming, generally the same reason we have hold limits in general. it's just hold limits for a specific record 14:15 oleonard How many volumes does any particular multi-volume set have? 14:15 oleonard That's the kind of need I see too, but I don't understand how defining a specific multi-hold count is helpful. 14:15 khall probably the latter is the more common reason 14:14 khall oleonard: I don't have the best knowledge, but it's a huge request from lots of libraries. I think maybe for teachers needing many copies, or being able to specify multiple volumes where something like an encylopedia is cataloged with all volumes on one record 14:12 oleonard I have questions ^^ 14:12 wahanui everything. 14:12 khall sup? 14:12 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) 14:12 oleonard khall? 14:12 oleonard Which is why I ask: What problem does it solve? 14:12 oleonard Not that what I want is what everyone wants. 14:11 oleonard What I want to say is "For this item type I want to allow multiple holds, period." And inherit the hold limit. 14:11 oleonard Why would I want to say, "For this item type I want to allow 3 holds per title?" 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron 14:10 oleonard I don't understand what problem Bug 14695 solves. 13:37 francharb it's definitively an important one 13:37 francharb ahah 13:36 oleonard francharb: The definition of bleen is slated for a discussion at the color meeting. We've blocked out 90 minutes for that issue. 13:36 francharb hi oleonard, hi all ;) 13:36 francharb grey beige 13:36 francharb is it like greige? 13:35 francharb bleen? blue green? 13:25 oleonard Then we have a framework for discussions of changes, like the use of bleen. 13:25 oleonard In all seriousness we should have a style guide that includes guidelines for use of color. 13:24 drojf oleonard: i think we have to bring that up at the dev meeting 13:09 oleonard Yes drojf we chose "bleen" 13:08 drojf did you choose a colour why i was gone? it's so quiet suddenly 13:05 drojf (about your @later) 13:04 drojf but i wanted to send it to the list finally :) 13:04 drojf cait: yes there will be some info about tech requirements for the newbies, but i think that still has time 13:00 blou cait: thanks. Will do today 13:00 cait and then change on top 13:00 cait yeah, rebae what#s there i'd say 12:59 cait if it moves around... we can still squash 12:59 blou Although someone a Sha1. So that won't fix it 12:59 cait makes it easier to review i think 12:59 blou ok, just a patch. No squash. Ok. 12:58 cait not sure how to explain :) 12:58 cait 4 now 12:58 cait 5 patches then on the bug 12:58 cait blou: a new patch with the last changes for easy review 12:58 tcohen sorry, private rant 12:58 cait tcohen: ? 12:58 tcohen we still don't have master packages! 12:58 blou ?! 12:57 tcohen ah c'mon 12:57 wahanui a follow-up is much easier to test than the first patch. 12:57 cait a follow-up? 12:57 cait hm let's do soemthing in the middle 12:57 blou cait: question: a new patch, or this change invalidate a lot of thing which will need retesting, thus a squash is ok ? 12:56 drojf brb 12:56 blou cait: yeah, drools 12:56 cait blou: do you think you got an answer? 12:55 * kidclamp scuttles off to create new bugs 12:55 cait you missed us, right? 12:55 * kidclamp hangs head in shame 12:55 oleonard You guys are the worst :P 12:55 liw drojf, biff 12:55 kidclamp drolls++ 12:55 cait kidclamp: you can stand in the corner with drojf for making up new modules :P 12:55 drojf excellent! 12:54 drojf i like drools 12:54 blou drools 12:54 kidclamp there should be a new category, reools 12:54 drojf green is tools. and heads if we flip a coin 12:54 cait drojf: i lost track of your opinion 12:54 drojf but i want green :( 12:53 khall bikeshedding-- 12:53 drojf cait++ 12:53 drojf oh. that worked very well! 12:53 khall cait: no I am not, either way is really fine with me 12:53 cait because i got that on my todo list today :) 12:53 cait that was just my way of reminding of the meeting 12:53 drojf do we really want to vote there if that is a tool or report? we don't have real things to do? :P 12:53 cait khall: are yo strictly opposed to tools? 12:52 cait but i was hoping to we could agree on something :) 12:52 cait thre is a dev meeting this wednesay 12:52 cait well 12:52 drojf1 :P 12:52 drojf1 lets have a short meeting about it 12:52 drojf1 lol 12:52 cait only works in a meeting 12:52 cait oooh 12:52 blou I'm team QA. Whatever gets it signed :-) 12:52 cait #startvote should the access file feature be under tools or reports? (tools,reports) 12:51 drojf1 team tools 12:51 blou dish, tools... gets me to erfworld 12:51 khall I'd say maybe tools is better for simplicity at this point 12:51 cait drojf1: go and stand in the corner heh 12:50 drojf1 sorry 12:50 drojf1 make a whole new module out of it, called reportish tools!1 12:50 blou dangerous: with great power.... 12:50 cait but i am still a tools person 12:50 cait technically you could add a suppermission to reports - the structure is there with run/execute below reports... 12:50 oleonard I'm firmly in the "Tools" camp. 12:50 blou i need the separate perm for my client. Specific requirement... 12:50 drojf1 regardless what it is labelled 12:50 drojf1 it definitely needs a separate permission 12:49 drojf1 that sounds not reportish but dangerous :) 12:49 cait it will require stup on the server for the directory i think 12:49 cait i like the idea of having a separate perm 12:49 drojf1 lol 12:49 blou This feature can give access to any directory specified in koha-conf 12:49 nengard the fact that you can 'view' the logs is toolish :) hehe 12:48 nengard i think it's the 'log viewer' that's the tool 12:48 blou :) 12:48 blou although they sound reportish 12:48 blou Action_logs are through Tools 12:48 oleonard Are there any kinds of files which might be created by existing reports which would be accessed by this feature? 12:48 blou hello Cait! 12:48 cait :) 12:48 drojf1 or does it really matter? 12:48 cait hi blou 12:47 drojf1 give it an extra permission and flip a coin 12:47 blou I -> It 12:47 blou I could give access to apache logs. 12:47 cait oleonard: files generated on the server 12:47 cait khall: now we disagree :) 12:47 drojf1 *reportish 12:47 drojf1 ok that sounds reportdish. i thought of stuff like apache log 12:46 blou our users use it for access to the print notices (hold, overdues...) 12:46 drojf1 after having read the bug report for ~30 seconds, what makes it a report? does it technically go through the creation process of a report? (i assume not, if it is log files? or its another kind of logfiles)? if not it sounds closer to the downmload database tool to me than to a report 12:46 blou oleonard: it gives access to files. Any files you want to give access to. 12:45 oleonard Overdues aren't considered a report. Notices are under tools. Is there output from reports which would also be covered? 12:44 khall but I can't claim to know that was the intention 12:44 khall basically cli report output 12:44 khall oleonard: what came to my mind were the "print" files for overdues, etc 12:44 khall lol 12:44 nengard :) 12:44 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) 12:44 nengard khall!!!!!!! 12:43 oleonard What are the kinds of logs which might be viewed by this tool? 12:43 khall mornin tcohen! 12:43 khall mornin nengard! 12:43 tcohen hi cait khall 12:43 khall but I think the latter argument would still apply 12:43 khall if it gets it's own permission, it's really a coin toss 12:42 khall That's just my opinion of course 12:42 khall Furthermore, it seems likely that the librarians needing to access this data are the same ones who would run other reports, and not necessarily be the same ones running tools. This to me is another reason to move it back to the reports page. 12:42 khall I think from a usability/permissions/technical standpoint this should probably be considered a report. This script does not alter data, but only makes it accessible. This makes it technically a "report" to me. 12:41 oleonard khall: Why? 12:39 khall cait: didn't notice your convo, but I had the oposite thought 12:34 cait oleonard: probably best to not start reading at the top 12:34 cait but i don't want them to have to change things once again... if you all disagree 12:34 cait i think tool too :) 12:33 oleonard Seems more like a tool to me, since the log viewer is considered a tool. But I have just now looked at this bug for the first time so I may not fully understand. 12:32 cait to have a safe access to the print notice files on the server 12:32 cait i think it would be a cool feature 12:31 khall k 12:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11317 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Patch doesn't apply , Add a way to access files from the intranet. 12:31 cait oleonard, khall: could you take a look at bug 11317 and blou's question there? 12:28 tcohen morning 11:59 cait oleonard++ :) 11:59 cait lol 11:57 druthb I would, yes. 11:57 druthb :) 11:56 oleonard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMgsAD3D948 11:53 oleonard It's nice to have you around druthb. I feel like even though you don't work on Koha, if there were some kind of Koha-related Kaiju attacking the city you would spring into action to help us form a giant robot. 11:51 druthb oleonard! :D 11:46 oleonard Hi #koha 11:16 khall heh ; ) 11:15 cait early mornign qa might not be my best :) 11:13 cait hope that makes sense 11:13 cait because it hink it will be the first 2 things people might notice 11:13 cait or not 11:13 cait mostly was interested in you looking into the 2 questions and see what could be done 11:12 cait perhaps owen has an idea at some point (for the accordeon) but we can leave it for sure 11:12 cait i thought maybe it's easy, maybe not, so i noted it 11:12 khall ok, I think I can do something about the second part. 11:12 cait But something else: You might also not be able to see the entry for the patron because of IndependentBranchesPatronModifications - not sure how to handle this. Maybe we should only show the link of logged in branch and staff branch match? 11:11 cait more concerned about the second point - first is not a blocker (as I wrote ;) ) 11:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9393 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add note to circulation.pl if borrower has pending modifications 11:11 cait bug 9393 11:11 khall yo 11:11 cait khall: around? 10:00 LibraryClaire I'll stay clear of the Kabelsalat I reckon ;) 09:56 ashimema hehe 09:56 * liw hides in shame 09:56 ashimema :) 09:54 LibraryClaire aah yes :) 09:53 magnuse "eine kleine Tasse Schokoladenschnitzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Kabelsalat" from liw, i presume 09:51 LibraryClaire tasty? 09:47 ashimema that sounds tasty 08:44 LibraryClaire hehe 08:34 cait could have written that in german *confusedbrain* 08:34 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 08:34 cait @later tell drojf hm thinking - should we add something about technical requirements? (bring your own laptop, need admin perm to install kohadevbox?) 08:33 LibraryClaire sorry - impromptu meeting occured 08:33 LibraryClaire hi cait :) 08:26 drojf later #koha 08:20 cait lol 08:06 liw eine kleine Tasse Schokoladenschnitzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Kabelsalat auf def Hauptbahnhof, bitte 08:05 eythian Like they've left towels on a beach chair or something. 08:04 eythian German always sounds suspicious. 07:56 magnuse cait: why suspicious? 07:48 cait hi LibraryClaire :) 07:48 cait drojf: heh 07:43 LibraryClaire hi drojf :) 07:43 drojf hi LibraryClaire 07:43 LibraryClaire morning 07:43 * drojf is very trusty 07:39 cait german seems to be done - it feels a bit suspicious 07:38 magnuse done translating nb-NO for 3.22.6 \o/ 07:35 cait Joubu: good poitn about the password - thx for sending the e-mail anyway! 07:35 cait morning all 07:33 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 21.0°C (10:20 AM EEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 07:33 drojf @wunder thessaloniki 07:33 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 10.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:33 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:32 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 07:32 magnuse @wunder boo 07:24 drojf morning 07:22 gaetan_B hello 06:59 alex_a bonjour 06:47 wahanui salut, reiveune 06:47 reiveune hello 06:35 * cait waves back and runs off to work 06:27 * magnuse waves 03:04 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 03:04 rangi @wunder nzwn 02:16 * wizzyrea has an unhappy. 02:15 wizzyrea mostly because I have an import file that wasn't generating userid's, and even though it took literally 5 minutes to add that, 1. it's not documented as a requirement and 2. I had to make a change on a thing that's going live right now and that is uncomfortablemaking. 02:15 * Francesca waves 02:10 huginn 04Bug 15840: major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Import borrowers tool explodes if userid already exists 02:10 * wizzyrea feels a little ragey about this bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15840 02:07 florent Double the trouble 01:57 jcamins Double certainty that it's wrong? 01:48 florent Thank you. I will fix that. 01:46 rangi none really, sounds like just a mistake 01:44 florent rangi: What could be the value of reporting 2 identical errors for the same bad import entry?