Time Nick Message 01:44 florent rangi: What could be the value of reporting 2 identical errors for the same bad import entry? 01:46 rangi none really, sounds like just a mistake 01:48 florent Thank you. I will fix that. 01:57 jcamins Double certainty that it's wrong? 02:07 florent Double the trouble 02:10 * wizzyrea feels a little ragey about this bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15840 02:10 huginn 04Bug 15840: major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Import borrowers tool explodes if userid already exists 02:15 * Francesca waves 02:15 wizzyrea mostly because I have an import file that wasn't generating userid's, and even though it took literally 5 minutes to add that, 1. it's not documented as a requirement and 2. I had to make a change on a thing that's going live right now and that is uncomfortablemaking. 02:16 * wizzyrea has an unhappy. 03:04 rangi @wunder nzwn 03:04 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 06:27 * magnuse waves 06:35 * cait waves back and runs off to work 06:47 reiveune hello 06:47 wahanui salut, reiveune 06:59 alex_a bonjour 07:22 gaetan_B hello 07:24 drojf morning 07:32 magnuse @wunder boo 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 07:32 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:33 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:33 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 10.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 07:33 drojf @wunder thessaloniki 07:33 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 21.0°C (10:20 AM EEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 07:35 cait morning all 07:35 cait Joubu: good poitn about the password - thx for sending the e-mail anyway! 07:38 magnuse done translating nb-NO for 3.22.6 \o/ 07:39 cait german seems to be done - it feels a bit suspicious 07:43 * drojf is very trusty 07:43 LibraryClaire morning 07:43 drojf hi LibraryClaire 07:43 LibraryClaire hi drojf :) 07:48 cait drojf: heh 07:48 cait hi LibraryClaire :) 07:56 magnuse cait: why suspicious? 08:04 eythian German always sounds suspicious. 08:05 eythian Like they've left towels on a beach chair or something. 08:06 liw eine kleine Tasse Schokoladenschnitzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Kabelsalat auf def Hauptbahnhof, bitte 08:20 cait lol 08:26 drojf later #koha 08:33 LibraryClaire hi cait :) 08:33 LibraryClaire sorry - impromptu meeting occured 08:34 cait @later tell drojf hm thinking - should we add something about technical requirements? (bring your own laptop, need admin perm to install kohadevbox?) 08:34 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 08:34 cait could have written that in german *confusedbrain* 08:44 LibraryClaire hehe 09:47 ashimema that sounds tasty 09:51 LibraryClaire tasty? 09:53 magnuse "eine kleine Tasse Schokoladenschnitzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Kabelsalat" from liw, i presume 09:54 LibraryClaire aah yes :) 09:56 ashimema :) 09:56 * liw hides in shame 09:56 ashimema hehe 10:00 LibraryClaire I'll stay clear of the Kabelsalat I reckon ;) 11:11 cait khall: around? 11:11 khall yo 11:11 cait bug 9393 11:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9393 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add note to circulation.pl if borrower has pending modifications 11:11 cait more concerned about the second point - first is not a blocker (as I wrote ;) ) 11:12 cait But something else: You might also not be able to see the entry for the patron because of IndependentBranchesPatronModifications - not sure how to handle this. Maybe we should only show the link of logged in branch and staff branch match? 11:12 khall ok, I think I can do something about the second part. 11:12 cait i thought maybe it's easy, maybe not, so i noted it 11:12 cait perhaps owen has an idea at some point (for the accordeon) but we can leave it for sure 11:13 cait mostly was interested in you looking into the 2 questions and see what could be done 11:13 cait or not 11:13 cait because it hink it will be the first 2 things people might notice 11:13 cait hope that makes sense 11:15 cait early mornign qa might not be my best :) 11:16 khall heh ; ) 11:46 oleonard Hi #koha 11:51 druthb oleonard! :D 11:53 oleonard It's nice to have you around druthb. I feel like even though you don't work on Koha, if there were some kind of Koha-related Kaiju attacking the city you would spring into action to help us form a giant robot. 11:56 oleonard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMgsAD3D948 11:57 druthb :) 11:57 druthb I would, yes. 11:59 cait lol 11:59 cait oleonard++ :) 12:28 tcohen morning 12:31 cait oleonard, khall: could you take a look at bug 11317 and blou's question there? 12:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11317 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Patch doesn't apply , Add a way to access files from the intranet. 12:31 khall k 12:32 cait i think it would be a cool feature 12:32 cait to have a safe access to the print notice files on the server 12:33 oleonard Seems more like a tool to me, since the log viewer is considered a tool. But I have just now looked at this bug for the first time so I may not fully understand. 12:34 cait i think tool too :) 12:34 cait but i don't want them to have to change things once again... if you all disagree 12:34 cait oleonard: probably best to not start reading at the top 12:39 khall cait: didn't notice your convo, but I had the oposite thought 12:41 oleonard khall: Why? 12:42 khall I think from a usability/permissions/technical standpoint this should probably be considered a report. This script does not alter data, but only makes it accessible. This makes it technically a "report" to me. 12:42 khall Furthermore, it seems likely that the librarians needing to access this data are the same ones who would run other reports, and not necessarily be the same ones running tools. This to me is another reason to move it back to the reports page. 12:42 khall That's just my opinion of course 12:43 khall if it gets it's own permission, it's really a coin toss 12:43 khall but I think the latter argument would still apply 12:43 tcohen hi cait khall 12:43 khall mornin nengard! 12:43 khall mornin tcohen! 12:43 oleonard What are the kinds of logs which might be viewed by this tool? 12:44 nengard khall!!!!!!! 12:44 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) 12:44 nengard :) 12:44 khall lol 12:44 khall oleonard: what came to my mind were the "print" files for overdues, etc 12:44 khall basically cli report output 12:44 khall but I can't claim to know that was the intention 12:45 oleonard Overdues aren't considered a report. Notices are under tools. Is there output from reports which would also be covered? 12:46 blou oleonard: it gives access to files. Any files you want to give access to. 12:46 drojf1 after having read the bug report for ~30 seconds, what makes it a report? does it technically go through the creation process of a report? (i assume not, if it is log files? or its another kind of logfiles)? if not it sounds closer to the downmload database tool to me than to a report 12:46 blou our users use it for access to the print notices (hold, overdues...) 12:47 drojf1 ok that sounds reportdish. i thought of stuff like apache log 12:47 drojf1 *reportish 12:47 cait khall: now we disagree :) 12:47 cait oleonard: files generated on the server 12:47 blou I could give access to apache logs. 12:47 blou I -> It 12:47 drojf1 give it an extra permission and flip a coin 12:48 cait hi blou 12:48 drojf1 or does it really matter? 12:48 cait :) 12:48 blou hello Cait! 12:48 oleonard Are there any kinds of files which might be created by existing reports which would be accessed by this feature? 12:48 blou Action_logs are through Tools 12:48 blou although they sound reportish 12:48 blou :) 12:48 nengard i think it's the 'log viewer' that's the tool 12:49 nengard the fact that you can 'view' the logs is toolish :) hehe 12:49 blou This feature can give access to any directory specified in koha-conf 12:49 drojf1 lol 12:49 cait i like the idea of having a separate perm 12:49 cait it will require stup on the server for the directory i think 12:49 drojf1 that sounds not reportish but dangerous :) 12:50 drojf1 it definitely needs a separate permission 12:50 drojf1 regardless what it is labelled 12:50 blou i need the separate perm for my client. Specific requirement... 12:50 oleonard I'm firmly in the "Tools" camp. 12:50 cait technically you could add a suppermission to reports - the structure is there with run/execute below reports... 12:50 cait but i am still a tools person 12:50 blou dangerous: with great power.... 12:50 drojf1 make a whole new module out of it, called reportish tools!1 12:50 drojf1 sorry 12:51 cait drojf1: go and stand in the corner heh 12:51 khall I'd say maybe tools is better for simplicity at this point 12:51 blou dish, tools... gets me to erfworld 12:51 drojf1 team tools 12:52 cait #startvote should the access file feature be under tools or reports? (tools,reports) 12:52 blou I'm team QA. Whatever gets it signed :-) 12:52 cait oooh 12:52 cait only works in a meeting 12:52 drojf1 lol 12:52 drojf1 lets have a short meeting about it 12:52 drojf1 :P 12:52 cait well 12:52 cait thre is a dev meeting this wednesay 12:52 cait but i was hoping to we could agree on something :) 12:53 cait khall: are yo strictly opposed to tools? 12:53 drojf do we really want to vote there if that is a tool or report? we don't have real things to do? :P 12:53 cait that was just my way of reminding of the meeting 12:53 cait because i got that on my todo list today :) 12:53 khall cait: no I am not, either way is really fine with me 12:53 drojf oh. that worked very well! 12:53 drojf cait++ 12:53 khall bikeshedding-- 12:54 drojf but i want green :( 12:54 cait drojf: i lost track of your opinion 12:54 drojf green is tools. and heads if we flip a coin 12:54 kidclamp there should be a new category, reools 12:54 blou drools 12:54 drojf i like drools 12:55 drojf excellent! 12:55 cait kidclamp: you can stand in the corner with drojf for making up new modules :P 12:55 kidclamp drolls++ 12:55 liw drojf, biff 12:55 oleonard You guys are the worst :P 12:55 * kidclamp hangs head in shame 12:55 cait you missed us, right? 12:55 * kidclamp scuttles off to create new bugs 12:56 cait blou: do you think you got an answer? 12:56 blou cait: yeah, drools 12:56 drojf brb 12:57 blou cait: question: a new patch, or this change invalidate a lot of thing which will need retesting, thus a squash is ok ? 12:57 cait hm let's do soemthing in the middle 12:57 cait a follow-up? 12:57 wahanui a follow-up is much easier to test than the first patch. 12:57 tcohen ah c'mon 12:58 blou ?! 12:58 tcohen we still don't have master packages! 12:58 cait tcohen: ? 12:58 tcohen sorry, private rant 12:58 cait blou: a new patch with the last changes for easy review 12:58 cait 5 patches then on the bug 12:58 cait 4 now 12:58 cait not sure how to explain :) 12:59 blou ok, just a patch. No squash. Ok. 12:59 cait makes it easier to review i think 12:59 blou Although someone a Sha1. So that won't fix it 12:59 cait if it moves around... we can still squash 13:00 cait yeah, rebae what#s there i'd say 13:00 cait and then change on top 13:00 blou cait: thanks. Will do today 13:04 drojf cait: yes there will be some info about tech requirements for the newbies, but i think that still has time 13:04 drojf but i wanted to send it to the list finally :) 13:05 drojf (about your @later) 13:08 drojf did you choose a colour why i was gone? it's so quiet suddenly 13:09 oleonard Yes drojf we chose "bleen" 13:24 drojf oleonard: i think we have to bring that up at the dev meeting 13:25 oleonard In all seriousness we should have a style guide that includes guidelines for use of color. 13:25 oleonard Then we have a framework for discussions of changes, like the use of bleen. 13:35 francharb bleen? blue green? 13:36 francharb is it like greige? 13:36 francharb grey beige 13:36 francharb hi oleonard, hi all ;) 13:36 oleonard francharb: The definition of bleen is slated for a discussion at the color meeting. We've blocked out 90 minutes for that issue. 13:37 francharb ahah 13:37 francharb it's definitively an important one 14:10 oleonard I don't understand what problem Bug 14695 solves. 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron 14:11 oleonard Why would I want to say, "For this item type I want to allow 3 holds per title?" 14:11 oleonard What I want to say is "For this item type I want to allow multiple holds, period." And inherit the hold limit. 14:12 oleonard Not that what I want is what everyone wants. 14:12 oleonard Which is why I ask: What problem does it solve? 14:12 oleonard khall? 14:12 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) 14:12 khall sup? 14:12 wahanui everything. 14:12 oleonard I have questions ^^ 14:14 khall oleonard: I don't have the best knowledge, but it's a huge request from lots of libraries. I think maybe for teachers needing many copies, or being able to specify multiple volumes where something like an encylopedia is cataloged with all volumes on one record 14:15 khall probably the latter is the more common reason 14:15 oleonard That's the kind of need I see too, but I don't understand how defining a specific multi-hold count is helpful. 14:15 oleonard How many volumes does any particular multi-volume set have? 14:16 khall it's just to avoid general hold spamming, generally the same reason we have hold limits in general. it's just hold limits for a specific record 14:24 cait kidclamp++ nice blog post 14:24 oleonard cait: ? 14:25 cait http://bywatersolutions.com/2016/04/19/koha-3-22-custom-sound-alerts/ 14:28 kidclamp thanks cait 14:49 oleonard Bug 15456 makes me want to re-indent all the things. 14:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Fix tabs and inconsistent indentation in smart-rules.tt 14:56 pianohacker oleonard: it was oddly cathartic 14:56 oleonard pianohacker: That's how I felt when making the Bootstrap templates for the OPAC 14:57 pianohacker I definitely believe that 14:57 pianohacker how is the staff client work going? 14:58 oleonard Slowly :) 14:59 oleonard Unfortunately I ran into an issue where you can't exclude Bootstrap's forms CSS when doing a custom build, so I'm trying to figure out if I should try for a workaround or just do a bunch of overrides to keep things looking correct. 15:02 blou Got a question about koha-qa 15:03 blou FAIL valid Name "Cache::RemovalStrategy::LRU::FIELDS" used only once: possible typo 15:03 tcohen blou: I recall Joubu filled a bug for that 15:03 blou Anyone could cue me onto what is causing that (and its friends) ? 15:03 blou ok 15:04 blou so it IS unrelated to my patch, then ? 15:06 cait there is a bug in PQA for that 15:06 cait or more a patch 15:06 cait you can ignore it for now i think 15:07 cait blou: don't forget the atomicupdate for the perm :) 15:08 blou already in 15:08 cait hm not seeing it 15:08 cait was sneaking a look at your new patch 15:11 cait blou: it's missing the atomicupdate - the new patch 15:11 cait blou: for existng installations 15:15 blou arrrrgh. I forgot the git add !! 15:15 cait heh 15:15 cait you are not the first 15:15 blou I even TESTED the atomic update throught the webinstaller. I was so sure all was ok. Sigh.... 15:21 pianohacker also, hi all 15:22 blou cait: Ok, NOW i sent all the files. Only took my 4 tries... I hope it's the right versions of the files... (blou /crying) 15:22 * cait sends cookies 15:23 * oleonard sends cookies to everyone whose patches he has failed today... Feeling like an ogre. 15:23 cait you are doing great work, have some cookies 15:27 cait the qa queue is exploding 15:27 * cait is scared 15:27 drojf later #koha 16:12 reiveune bye 16:16 oleonard khall: What is the "Holds to place (count)" field for in the staff client? (Bug 14695) 16:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron 16:17 khall oleonard: in the circ rules, I should have specified that ; ) 16:17 gaetan_B bye 16:17 oleonard I don't understand. Does setting that value when placing a hold in the staff client do something? 16:18 khall it limits the number of holds a given patron can place on a single record. The default is 1 to replicate existing behavior 16:19 oleonard So when placing a hold you can redefine the limit that patron can placed, overriding the setting for that patron category/item type defined in circ rules? 16:20 bag morning 16:21 khall no, that's still in effect as well. You could have the hold limit be 5, and the hold per record limit be 3 16:21 khall so the patron can place 5 total holds, and only 3 on any given record 16:22 oleonard But why is there a drop-down on the 'place hold' screen where I can choose a number for "Holds to place (count)?" 16:23 khall for convenience when placing multiple record level holds, that was a request by Chris iirc 16:23 oleonard what does it do? 16:23 khall it places the number of record level holds you specifiy in the pulldown 16:24 khall nick and the qa team hashed out a list of change requests a while back and I implemented them 16:24 khall that was one 16:24 khall @kidclamp++ for that 16:24 huginn khall: I've exhausted my database of quotes 16:25 oleonard Oh I see it's for getting multiple copies of something, unconnected to item-level holds. 16:26 khall yep! 16:26 oleonard There's more going on here than is described in the test plan. 16:26 khall my bad, I missed that bit 17:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 15113: koha-rebuild-zebra should check USE_INDEXER_DAEMON and skip... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=997ad166c6ea53d47e3e15e7720d63da9f3b0a80> 17:49 oleonard It's fascinating to me that browser technology has advanced to the point where Bug 6815 could be a workable feature now. 17:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Capture member photo via webcam 17:50 tcohen oleonard: hehe 17:50 tcohen sure! 17:50 tcohen bag: thanks 17:50 oleonard Maybe nengard should resurrect Bug 1937 17:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1937 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED WONTFIX, Scan barcode with webcam 17:51 nengard hmm 17:52 nengard anyone can resurect that if they want :) 17:52 tcohen :) 18:19 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 16190: Enable the indexer daemon by default <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98f551faec2627742b0b1d5b72e1791b4451b401> 18:20 oleonard Interesting that submitting a blank form for a circulation rule gives you unlimited checkouts allowed but zero for a loan period. 18:21 oleonard Zero checkouts allowed for an infinite time would be great. 18:37 tcohen users++ 18:59 oleonard Bye #koha 19:18 tcohen bye #koha 19:54 rangi morning 20:03 cait morning rangi 20:23 rangi hmm is master currently broken for others? 20:23 rangi DBIx::Class::ResultSet::next(): Unknown column 'me.archived' in 'field list' at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Objects.pm line 150 20:23 rangi im getting that at 20:23 rangi http://localhost:8081/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl 20:24 rangi I think it might be just my db 20:24 rangi out of sync with the schema 20:27 cait hm me? 20:27 wahanui go to bed 20:27 cait archived. 20:27 cait no idea where this could be 20:27 rangi super useful error message! 20:27 rangi yeah exactly 20:28 cait rangi: currency 20:28 cait or currencies 20:28 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql;hb=98f551faec2627742b0b1d5b72e1791b4451b401#l774 20:28 rangi hmm 20:29 rangi so there must be a patch that removes that 20:30 cait hm or adds? 20:30 rangi or adds it but not properly 20:30 rangi because i just ran the update 20:31 rangi lemme check the updatedatabase 20:31 rangi 3.23.00.037 20:33 cait hm can help search in a bit - brb 20:34 rangi fixed 20:47 cait ah cool 20:47 cait what was it? 20:48 rangi probably another patch had moved the version number higher than that 21:11 rangi hmm 21:12 rangi i think Dianna might have misunderstood 21:12 cait hm? 21:12 rangi the pin thing 21:12 rangi reply to you and jonathan 21:12 cait oh? 21:13 cait hm email program is unwilling to open. 21:13 rangi its on the list 21:13 rangi she says they use it, but I dont think any code is there to use it 21:13 cait depends on how they use it - i tried today 21:13 rangi also, she has misunderstood the storing in clear text bit too 21:13 cait it stores fine 21:13 cait i don't have her email yet it seems 21:14 rangi https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-April/045242.html 21:14 wizzyrea I think she's confused by the password 21:15 wizzyrea they may label the regular password "pin" in their installation 21:15 cait can someone else try and clear things up? 21:15 eythian there's something we have that causes all errors and warnings to include a stack trace. That would make tracking down those issues a lot easier, I'm sure it's something that could be hooked into debug mode. (I don't know how it's actually done, but it's a lifesaver.) 21:15 rangi yeah, i dont think she is talking about teh same thing, the password option in extended attributes is totally stored in plain text and it's a really bad idea and should be removed 21:15 eythian (by "those" I mean that error from scrollback :) 21:15 cait i tested it today - i can confirm 21:15 wizzyrea I don't understand the purpose 21:16 wizzyrea of the passwords there 21:16 wizzyrea why were they added originally? 21:16 rangi eythian: yeah debug level i think 21:16 cait someone said as an additional login on the bug report 21:16 cait but never fully implemented 21:16 cait i kind of thought it was for another application maybe - or a pin... but apart from storing and editing it doesn't seem to do anything 21:18 rangi yeah 21:18 rangi i dont have the brainspace to explain that 21:19 wizzyrea I've got it 21:23 cait thx! 21:23 wizzyrea oh jeez she's from Salina. That's 30k from my home town. 21:23 wizzyrea how funny 21:23 wizzyrea we are talking about the tickbox in borrower attributes for "password" right? 21:26 rangi yeah i think so 21:26 wizzyrea done 21:28 cait wizzyrea++ 21:38 wizzyrea She says "You are right I was thinking of the PIN in Registration. Thanks" 21:41 cait cool