Time Nick Message 02:51 * Oak waves 03:01 Oak wizzyrea thank you! I'll try your solution now. 03:01 wizzyrea hi oak :) 03:01 Oak :) 03:02 wizzyrea the other option is to clone devbox from my github 03:02 wizzyrea which has fixes for that 03:02 wizzyrea and a couple of other things 03:02 wizzyrea (but that's not a requirement) 03:03 wizzyrea (yes, I know I need to submit those patches but I've messed up somehow and have to untangle it all...) 03:05 Oak Oh cool. I did not know. I'll check your github repository now. 03:49 Oak magnuse 03:51 Oak wizzyrea, destroying vagrant vm and re-creating with webinstaller enabled in config worked! 03:52 Oak @later tell drojf destroying vagrant vm and re-creating with webinstaller enabled in config worked! Issue re-solved. 03:52 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 03:52 wizzyrea \o/ 03:52 Oak \o/ :) 03:52 wizzyrea that was one of those "oh oh I know how to fix that" moments :) 03:52 Oak heh 04:01 * Francesca waves 04:01 Francesca \o/ for fixing stuff 04:04 Oak hello Francesca :) 04:04 Francesca hey Oak 04:04 Francesca sup 04:05 Oak playing with the git install using vagrant 04:06 Francesca fun 04:07 Oak lots 04:07 Oak sup yourself? 04:43 Francesca whoops wasn't looking at my chat 04:44 Francesca just uni work 04:45 Oak cool 04:56 Francesca my cat is asleep on my feet 04:57 Oak :) 06:17 Oak wizzyrea, I'm having this issue http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2015-07-05#i_1698120 06:18 Oak Do you remember how you solved it? 06:36 Oak running prove t/ outputs stuff... and at many locations says "Couldn't open /etc/koha/sites/kohadev/koha-conf.xml" 06:42 Joubu hello 06:42 wahanui niihau, Joubu 06:48 reiveune hello 07:00 * magnuse waves 07:00 Oak magnuse 07:04 alex_a bonjour 07:12 gaetan_B hello 07:13 Oak Hello alex_a, gaetan_B 07:21 drojf morning 07:21 Oak morning drojf 07:21 drojf hi Oak 07:22 drojf Oak: ah you are on a kohadevbox! i did not understand that 07:22 drojf but good to hear it works! 07:22 Oak yeah :) now trying to make qa-test-tools work 07:28 Joubu drojf: hi! Why did not you switch the status of bug 15303 back to needs QA? 07:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Failed QA , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations 07:28 drojf oh sorry, i forgot 07:29 drojf it was not intended 07:36 magnuse Oak 07:37 drojf Joubu: should i roll a package with the last patches? 07:38 magnuse anyone tried koha with cperl? said to be twice as fast as "regular" perl http://perl11.org/ 07:38 magnuse heard about it here https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/383?autostart=false 07:39 Oak what will this command do: git format-patch -s --subject-prefix='PATCH] [SIGNED-OFF' origin/master 07:39 Oak it created a .patch file I can see. 07:40 Oak what's the next step... login to bugzilla and make bug signed off, and add a useful comment. 07:40 Oak And attach the .patch file? 07:42 drojf i wanted to build "a few" packages to try catmandu 1.0 in koha. i ended up building like 40 and don't even have all catmandu modules i want to have yet. if anyone wants to play/break their koha+es setup… https://apt.abunchofthings.net/ 07:43 eythian yep, catmandu gets quite the chain of modules going 07:43 Joubu drojf: no, I will update the files manually 07:44 drojf eythian: catmandu-sru was really nasty 07:44 drojf no 07:44 drojf catmandu-rdf i think 07:44 drojf one needed a lot of stuff 08:18 drojf eythian: could koha do something like "apt-get install -t jessie-backports letsencrypt" for a certain dependency? it seems like LE from backports complains about missing deps unless you tell debian to pull the deps from backports. it would be nice if people won't have to set the priority manually in /etc/apt/preferences 08:34 ashimema no cait yet today? 08:34 ashimema morning #koha 08:34 eythian drojf: I'm pretty sure you can't do that 08:35 eythian it would be better perhaps to put it in the koha repo instead. 08:35 eythian also, many people won't have backports configured as a source anyway 08:37 drojf eythian: i forgot it's not a dependency atm. at installation you are asked about it if there is a candidate. i will make it use backports with -t jessie-backports in the case they are actually on jessie. 08:38 eythian oh right 08:38 drojf we don't force LE, so making it a dependency while it is not available everywhere does not make sense 08:38 eythian if it's a script doing it, that's OK 08:38 eythian sure 08:38 drojf yep but i really wondered about doing it for a dependency 08:39 eythian you can't, because you have no control over what sources a server has configured. 08:40 drojf yeah and that is probably a good thing ;) 08:40 eythian yep :) 08:48 drojf is lsb_release a standard debian thing or do i just happen to have that from testing stuff? 08:49 eythian it's standard 08:49 eythian at least, it is in ubuntu 08:50 drojf related question, how do i check if it is? :) 08:50 eythian see what package it is, and see what depends on it 08:51 eythian trace the tree upwards until you find a package marked critical or however that works 09:06 magnuse kia ora cait 09:06 cait morning magnuse and #koha 09:07 Oak heya cait 09:08 cait mveron++ 09:14 Oak what did he do cait ? 09:16 cait translate 09:16 Oak mveron++ 09:22 magnuse gah, it's that time of the month again 09:23 Oak dang 09:23 Oak what time of the month? 09:25 drojf translation time ;) 09:25 drojf hei magnuse and cait 09:25 drojf cait: so we are done already? 09:35 cait not sure if it was updated yet 09:36 magnuse nb-NO has new strings, at least 11:46 oleonard Hi #koha 12:14 kidclamp Joubu - I keep poking those tests on 10612, have not been able to recreate 12:14 Joubu kidclamp: that's weird, they fail randomly 12:14 kidclamp The OldIssues test is for 'not borrowed since' 12:15 Joubu that does not comfort me, I suspect an hidden bug somewhere 12:15 Joubu kidclamp: yep but the tests pass when I comment it 12:15 kidclamp and don't when it is uncommented? 12:15 Joubu yes they also pass if it's uncommented :) 12:16 Joubu I've just managed to make them fail once 12:16 Joubu but forgot to dump the DB before! 12:16 kidclamp Always happens that way 12:36 tcohen morning! 12:37 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 12:37 tcohen hey! 13:52 drojf @later tell bag the bywater demo on https://koha-community.org/demo/ is broken 13:52 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 14:04 tcohen khall: wb :-D 14:04 khall thanks! 14:04 tcohen :-D 14:21 cait wb khall :) 14:22 khall thanks! 14:27 oleonard Hi khall 14:27 khall mornin oleonard! 14:37 drojf oleonard: when i repeat a field in the cataloguing editor, the random numbers for field names don't get replaced, but concatenated. while i don't see a problem, i wonder if that is intentional or by accident? (we may get the same number again otherwise, in theory?) 14:37 drojf tag_600_subfield_b_933551_731050 14:37 drojf tag_600_subfield_b_933551_73105048777 14:37 drojf tag_600_subfield_b_933551_7310504877785736 14:38 oleonard drojf: It doesn't sound like it's intentional. It's been ages since I've looked at that code though. 14:38 oleonard Does git blame me? 14:38 drojf don't know, i just assumed its oleonard stuff :) 14:39 oleonard I can put it on my to-do list if you'd like me to take a look. 14:39 drojf i have not looked at the code yet, just found it in firebug 14:39 drojf not really, i don't think it matters or dies any harm. i just wondered if its intended 14:39 drojf *does 14:41 drojf is there a limit on the length of a name attribute for an input? it might matter in that case, if you got a lot of fields 14:41 drojf (not sure if it dies the same when you open a record where the fields are present already) 14:41 drojf does 14:45 Joubu drojf: I had a look at that problem, but don't remember the conclusion... 14:46 Joubu I think it finished with "no matter, it works and is too cryptic to fix it" 14:47 drojf :) 14:56 cait Joubu: fwiw - the tests always passed for me :( 14:57 Joubu cait: hum, weird 14:58 Joubu it did for me actually, but retested today and if failed once 14:58 cait hm frameworkcode... 14:58 wahanui frameworkcode is, like, _usually_ '' 14:58 cait that's not mapped to any marc field is it? 14:58 cait ah no pianohacker 15:02 oleonard pianohacker: Did you hear cait's call? 15:03 pianohacker poking the huginn 15:03 pianohacker the huginn is silent 15:03 pianohacker so no, oleonard :) 15:03 cait hi pianohacker :) 15:03 cait i was just wondering - frameworkcodes and rancor.... 15:03 cait i think it's always setting default, is that about right? 15:03 oleonard pianohacker: She mentioned you moments before you appeared, so I thought maybe you saw the pianohacker signal 15:03 pianohacker yup 15:04 pianohacker oh hahahaha 15:04 cait hm... that's an idea... 15:04 cait but we have solar panels on the roof... so might be hard to fnd a good spot for it 15:05 pianohacker just noodle on a piano 15:05 cait so no frameworkcodes when using rancor? 15:06 pianohacker oh, right, an actual question 15:06 pianohacker correct 15:06 cait cool thx 15:06 pianohacker I thought it preserved the frameworkcode in the underlying DB (could be wrong about that), but it DOES always use the mandatory/repeatable rules of the default framework 15:07 cait hm but if you add a new record 15:07 cait you can't set a frameworkcode it hought? 15:07 cait Bug 6906 - show 'Borrower has previously issued $ITEM' alert on checkout 15:07 cait is the one this is about 15:08 cait the question is 'how to or not how to check if something is a serial' 15:09 pianohacker cait: correct. 15:11 oleonard So, just to be sure: The new feature checks whether any item on the biblio has been checked out? Not just that one item? 15:16 ashimema correct oleanard 15:16 ashimema it's bibliographic level 15:16 ashimema rather than item level 15:18 oleonard Thanks ashimema, and hi :) 15:19 ashimema idea being that "if you've read harry potter and the philosophers stone once, you don't want to get it again the next week just because you've not read that particular copy of it' 15:19 oleonard Makes sense 15:19 ashimema :) 15:20 ashimema that works fine except for the serials case.. where lots of place catalogue a single serial at the bib level, then each issue at the item level :( 15:20 ashimema which we didn't think about 15:26 bag morning 15:28 * oleonard wonders if biblio.serial is used anymore 15:30 cait oleonard: i checked some of our most recent dbs... nothing there 15:30 cait no idea 15:30 cait always assumed it might be UNIMARC 15:30 cait becuase there is this one serial view feature for the OPAC that only works for UNIMARC 15:38 magnuse now that there are moer/different people around: anyone tried koha with cperl? said to be twice as fast as "regular" perl http://perl11.org/ 15:38 magnuse bag: HI 15:39 bag heya magnuse 15:39 wahanui somebody said magnuse was afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 15:40 cait hm i have a question too 15:40 cait we have a weird import/reindexing problemin one of our databases 15:40 cait the import finiehs perfectly 15:40 cait but some records are not searchable 15:40 cait in the zebra_queue they are marked as done 15:40 magnuse maybe they are just shy? 15:41 cait when i put them in the queue again by doing some change - they get 'indexed' (zebra_queue) - but are still not searchable 15:41 cait the only success we had is using the zebra_queue script with a where condition and the biblionumber 15:41 cait but right now we only know that like 30 are missing... and we can't locate them 15:41 cait any idea what could cause this? 15:44 pianohacker cait: would these be really large records? 15:44 pianohacker or ones with encoding problems? 15:47 cait unlikely 15:47 cait they are all from the union catlaog 15:47 cait i have checked... i can't see anything out of the usual 15:47 cait and they are not especially big 15:47 cait 2 items 15:47 cait not a lot of info like abstract or anything 15:47 pianohacker then your best bet is to run rebuild zebra in double loud mode (-v -v) 15:48 cait the db is our biggest 15:48 cait 870.000 records 15:48 cait i wonder if it reaches some kind of limit somewhere? 15:49 cait we tried - nothing shows 15:49 cait well nt for the nightly import as that would be really loud, but when i had added them back in the queue 15:51 cait we had something reported sometimes, that i am not sure is related - looking for the email 15:52 drojf have you tried importing some of the relevant records into an empty db? 15:52 cait drojf: not yet, but it's an idea 15:52 cait see if they cause trouble there too 15:53 drojf good luck :) 15:53 * drojf heads home 15:53 drojf later #koha 15:58 cait the zebra message was smething... not comitted 16:02 cait it only started a few days ago... didn't happen the first few months 16:02 cait previous transaction didn't reach commit .. 16:05 pianohacker probably zebraidx crashing 16:05 cait that doesn't sound nice 16:05 pianohacker we've run into issues with that 16:05 cait did you solve it? 16:06 pianohacker for us, it was an "indexing too many things at once", and only came up on full rebuilds (so we could solve it with the sliced rebuild) 16:06 pianohacker sounds different than yours 16:06 cait hm yeah 16:06 cait about 1000 records in the import a night 16:06 cait tops 16:07 cait and that wouldn't explain why a manual reindex during the day still doesn' thave an effec 16:07 cait t 16:30 drojf back 16:31 cait drojf: problem still unsolved 16:34 pianohacker I disagree, I've given you at least two or three shamanic rituals to hand to your sysadmin to appease Zebra 16:34 pianohacker :P 16:45 cait well yeah.. but i can only try to that tomorrow 16:45 cait and it was only one? 16:45 cait sliced? 16:46 cait and -v -v but we tried that 16:46 cait ah hun 16:46 cait huh 16:46 cait i edited it 16:46 cait and now it IS searchable 16:50 cait is there some size limit for the zebra index/commit whatever we could be running into? 16:50 cait as this started only a while ago and the nubmers seem to increase 16:52 drojf i guess you checked that your disk is not full? (that would look worse…) 16:53 cait yeah disk is not full 16:53 cait i wonder if it oculd be a zebra setting 16:53 cait something like this 16:53 cait https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=32656 16:53 drojf what do those settings say? 16:54 drojf on your server i mean 16:54 cait hm checking our defaults, but not sure what#s on the server 16:54 cait making a list of things for the admin tomorrow 16:54 drojf won't hurt to turn that up and try 16:54 drojf but i would expect all new records failing then 16:55 drojf and some kind of message about it 16:55 cait some might just be an overlay.. not sure if that would make a difference 16:55 cait 20G for biblios 16:55 cait not sure how big it is 16:55 cait it goes on the list to check 17:02 drojf i had 5,2gb for ~500k GND authority files. depending on the size of the records, getting to 20gb may be an option 17:06 reiveune bye 17:08 cait pianohacker:, drojf: made a list with all things suggested - thx all 17:53 magnuse wb 17:54 cait khall_away: still around? 17:54 cait ah.. guess not :) 17:55 magnuse he might be... away :-) 17:56 drojf or he is… a way 17:56 cait anyway... 18:08 oleonard Oh hey remember list sharing? I wonder why we don't have that in the staff client? 18:17 cait not usre :) 18:17 * cait waves at oleonard :) 18:17 cait i am working on a patch for multiple routing lists 18:18 cait i have one screen that could use your magical touch there i think 18:18 cait but need to do more testing to see if it works 18:21 oleonard Follett acquires Baker & Taylor: http://librarytechnology.org/news/pr.pl?id=21497 18:27 tcohen #koha: should frameworkcode have a FK on biblio ? 18:36 pianohacker tcohen: what currently happens when a bib has a nonexistent framework? 18:36 tcohen it breaks, badly 18:36 tcohen that's why i asked 18:36 tcohen i want to write a patch 18:36 tcohen and I'm not sure what's the best approach 18:36 tcohen - fallback to default (and probably notify the user with a warning) 18:37 tcohen - enforce it at DB level, and provide a warning during upgrade 18:37 tcohen ashimema: ¡ 18:38 tcohen what do u feel about it pianohacker ? 18:39 pianohacker hmm. 18:40 pianohacker tcohen: if we create the foreign key with ON DELETE SET NULL, will that set frameworkcode to NULL for bibs with nonexistent frameworks? 18:40 tcohen sounds correct 18:41 pianohacker well, and I'd argue that's probably the right behavior anyway 19:01 tcohen later #koha 19:01 tcohen pianohacker: look at 16288 19:01 tcohen is related to 16258 19:02 tcohen bag^^ 19:05 bag :) 19:34 * elkin slaps elkin around a bit with a large fishbot 19:59 * cait waves 19:59 bag hi cait 19:59 cait :) 20:00 paul_p hi bag & cait 20:00 cait hi paul_p 20:01 bag hi paul_p 20:01 paul_p bag = the funding meeting is here or via Hangout ? 20:01 bag let’s do hangout I thinks 20:01 paul_p bag = and it's supposed to start now, isn't it ? 20:02 bag yes paul_p 20:02 bag I just sent an invite 20:04 paul_p bag = no invite in my mailbox still :( 20:05 rangi heh, someone just offered to sell me a list of registered koha users .. 20:06 BobB hi bag, paul_p 20:07 paul_p hi BobB 20:07 BobB fundraising meeting? 20:07 BobB I seem to be in a google hangouts channel on my own 20:07 paul_p hi rangi 20:07 rangi hey paul_p :) 20:08 paul_p just for kidding : do you know : http://www.kohapet.com/ ? 20:08 BobB bag's call came through to my mobile phone but I lost it 20:08 BobB hi rangi 20:08 bag @wunder 97215 20:08 huginn bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 28.8°C (1:07 PM PDT on April 18, 2016). 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