Time  Nick            Message
00:36 oleonard        @later tell cait Bug 16237 has a signoff
00:36 huginn          oleonard: The operation succeeded.
00:37 bag             nice :)
00:42 * Francesca     waves
00:57 kidclamp        rangi - from fresh or upgraded db no upgrade errors, can create and edit authorities and they are indexed, searches work in staff and opac, aquisitions searches work, what else to test?
01:01 bag             he’s probably at lunch kidclamp
01:03 kidclamp        @later tell rangi I have tested all the things I can think of (authorities,staff/opac, facets, acquisitions searching, importing) from fresh db and upgrade. Can I sign off?
01:03 huginn          kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
01:32 rangi           kidclamp: that sounds like everything
01:32 rangi           I cant think of anything else
01:33 kidclamp        so do I put a sign off on the bug?
01:33 kidclamp        or just announce in all caps here? ;-)
01:36 bag             CAPS everywhere!!!
01:37 rangi           ideally, you would checkout the branch, do a run through marking each patch signed off, push it up somewhere, and say its signed off, then i can pull that in and make the branch git.koha-community.org be that one
01:37 bag             kidclamp: you can push up to our github right?
01:37 kidclamp        I can
01:37 bag             sweet there we go :)
01:43 kidclamp        do you know how many patches ti is rangi?
01:43 rangi           8 million
01:43 rangi           (a lot)
01:43 bag             you probably can git log and score back until you don’t see any signoffs?
01:43 bag             scroll
01:43 martin_         hey everyone
01:43 wahanui         hmmm... everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
01:43 rangi           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new_12478_elasticsearch
01:44 kidclamp        yeah, I just kept losing count
01:44 rangi           all the way down to the master tag
01:44 rangi           there was a trick to do a bunch at once eh?
01:44 rangi           i think its on the wiki
01:44 rangi           hi martin_
01:44 kidclamp        80
01:44 martin_         I have a question - I migrated a system to the new 3.22 - since migration the notices will not work. I have looked at crontab, etc. nothing works
01:45 rangi           are they being queued in the table in the database?
01:45 martin_         advanced_notices are set to "allow"
01:45 martin_         I used the queued_message.pl
01:45 martin_         but not sure
01:45 martin_         is there a way to check if they are being queued?
01:46 martin_         that may be the problem
01:46 bag             yup 80 patches kidclamp
01:46 rangi           yep look at the message_queue table in the db
01:46 martin_         ok - thanks
01:47 martin_         I can't even express how frustrating this has been
01:47 bag             wow kidclamp too bad that’s just one signed off and not 80 - you’d be champ of the year with that :D
01:47 martin_         :)
01:47 kidclamp        mveron would still pwn me
01:47 kidclamp        that guy is the sign off king
01:47 bag             mveron++
01:48 bag             he is awesome
01:48 kidclamp        bag rangi: https://github.com/bywatersolutions/bywater-koha-devel/tree/ES-sign-off
01:48 bag             cool kidclamp can you change the bug to signed off too?
01:48 rangi           ill grab that and push it up now, thanks
01:51 kidclamp        alright, now is for beer
01:51 rangi           well earned
01:52 kidclamp        I did the easy parts
01:52 kidclamp        eythian++
01:52 kidclamp        rangi++
01:52 kidclamp        tcohen++
01:52 kidclamp        drojf++
01:52 kidclamp        Joubu++
01:52 kidclamp        koha++
01:52 kidclamp        bag++
01:52 kidclamp        cait++
01:52 kidclamp        kohadevbox++
01:52 kidclamp        allthethings++
01:52 bag             beer++
01:52 kidclamp        have a good night all!
01:53 bag             night night kidclamp
01:53 rangi           done
01:55 bag             excellent
01:55 bag             any Qa’ers still awake?
01:58 martin_         hey - I just checked
01:58 martin_         messages are queued
01:58 rangi           cool
01:59 martin_         but still no dice on getting message out
01:59 rangi           so whats in your mail.log ? (or similar)
01:59 martin_         ok will check
02:04 martin_         sorry had to refresh browser
02:04 martin_         mail.log is empty
02:04 martin_         I found it under var
02:07 martin_         child woke up and is crying - have to go --I'll try again later - THANKS!
02:09 bag             @later tell martin_ check to see if you have process_message_queue set up as a cronjob
02:09 huginn          bag: The operation succeeded.
02:37 bag             alright I am outta
04:23 Francesca       hello!
04:31 wizzyrea        hi Francesca
04:31 Francesca       heya
04:32 Francesca       I have a day off tomorrow!
04:32 wizzyrea        \o/
04:32 Francesca       so I can come to pizza thursday
04:32 Francesca       and work for more than half a day
04:32 Francesca       my lecture tomorrow got cancelled
04:32 wizzyrea        woohoo!
04:33 Francesca       I shouldn't be happy but I am
04:33 Francesca       not attending lectures is fun
04:33 Francesca       at least cancelled ones
04:33 wizzyrea        hehe
04:33 Francesca       sup
04:34 Francesca       @wunder wlg
04:34 huginn          Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on April 13, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
04:36 wizzyrea        Francesca: when you get in tomorrow, I have a tool to use to export the themes
04:36 wizzyrea        we should try it on plant and food :)
04:36 Francesca       oh yes
04:36 Francesca       very useful
04:36 Francesca       though I'll have to put that theme back up
04:37 Francesca       i've been working on the Toi Whakari one on the computer
04:37 wizzyrea        ah neat
04:37 wizzyrea        anyway we can talk about that tomorrow
04:38 Francesca       yup
04:38 Francesca       I'll be in about 10.30ish
04:38 Francesca       which reminds me I should go and email kathryn to let her know
04:39 wizzyrea        I'll tell her
04:39 Francesca       thanks
04:39 wizzyrea        she says "ok!"
04:39 Francesca       cool
04:39 Francesca       I'm excited
04:39 Francesca       feels like I haven't been to pizza thursday for aggggges
06:37 magnuse         hooray for bug 12478
06:37 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Elasticsearch support for Koha
06:43 reiveune        hello
06:55 drojf           morning
07:02 magnuse         moin drojf
07:02 drojf           hei magnuse
07:27 gaetan_B        hello
07:29 magnuse         bonjour gaetan_B
09:19 * cait          waves
11:25 * magnuse       waves to cait
11:41 oleonard        Hi #koha
11:45 * Oak           waves
11:45 Oak             Hello druthb !
11:45 Oak             magnuse
11:45 Oak             Guten tag cait.
11:48 cait            Oak.:)
11:48 Oak             :)
11:49 druthb          Hi, Oak!
11:49 druthb          Hiya, cait! :)
12:10 magnuse         oleonard! Oak! cait! druthb!
12:14 druthb          magnuse!
12:14 wahanui         magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
12:14 oleonard        I'm awake! I'm awake!
12:14 * oleonard      was just resting his eyes
12:14 druthb          oleonard!
12:14 wahanui         somebody said oleonard was still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
12:15 * oleonard      ...and his head, on the desk.
12:16 druthb          keep a pillow in your office.  Desks are too firm.
12:17 oleonard        anyone else having trouble fetching from git today?
12:18 * druthb        blames nengard.
12:20 oleonard        Seems logical.
12:21 druthb          She's a very responsible person.  Anything bad happens, she's responsible.
12:25 nengard         :p
12:25 nengard         to both of you
12:36 druthb          :P
12:48 oleonard        Anyone else have this message filling their logs? "Use of uninitialized value in hash element at /C4/Languages.pm line 351"
12:52 kivilahtio      drojf: https://renki.vaarakirjastot.fi/tutorials/screencasts/cataloguingRecordPush.mp4
12:52 kivilahtio      WIP on a cataloguing record push feature
12:53 kivilahtio      so we catalogue to one central Koha instance, and from there we can easily push records to "live" production Kohas where the record is consumed
12:53 kivilahtio      fyi since you were interested in the other features :)
12:53 kivilahtio      take care!
13:00 oleonard        No oleonard, that error is your fault and no one else is getting it because they don't leave junk lying around where it doesn't belong.
13:01 kivilahtio      I like monologues
13:01 kivilahtio      especialyl interesting ones
13:07 tcohen          morning
13:08 tcohen          hi kivilahtio, its been a while!
13:08 kivilahtio      good evening!
13:08 wahanui         evening is the time of day we all look forward too
13:08 kivilahtio      tcohen: indeed it has
13:08 kivilahtio      tcohen: my frustration is not waning
13:09 kivilahtio      tcohen: We need to implement front-end javscript framework for Koha so we can build better front-end apps
13:09 kivilahtio      but then we would have to discuss a lot with the community on what tools to use
13:09 kivilahtio      constantly facing issues like caching and exception handling int hte javscript layer
13:09 tcohen          sure, help us have a more complete REST api and that would be an easy one
13:10 kivilahtio      We already adopted Jasmine BDD to drive javascript testing
13:10 kivilahtio      tcohen: I know, thanks for the offer
13:11 kivilahtio      jasmine is very easy to get started with
13:17 kivilahtio      tcohen: the point is I dont want to touch Koha code without TestObjectFactories, and I dont want to touch the REST API without the swagger2-spec driven permission handling. They all make my life as a programmer much easier.
13:17 kivilahtio      I could contribute, but with a lot of dependencies not in Koha yet
13:17 kivilahtio      lot of BIG dependencies
13:18 kivilahtio      or the Swagger2 test runner
13:18 kivilahtio      they all have bugs opened and code lying around (very stale however)
13:18 kivilahtio      so no point
13:23 tcohen          kivilahtio: bug 15126
13:23 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15126 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , REST API: Use newer version of Swagger2
13:58 oleonard        git fetch is working again for me. Thanks to everyone for helping me get through this dark time.
13:59 druthb          :P
14:02 kivilahtio      <3
14:22 oleonard        "No claims notice defined. Please define one." Why not? And how am I supposed to know how to define the right notice?
14:25 oleonard        Bug 4398
14:25 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4398 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Example notice for 'claims notice' in Serials
14:25 oleonard        Vintage.
14:29 oleonard        ...but I already have the notice described in that bug. Why is it telling me I don't have a claims notice?
14:30 Joubu           Are you sure you have a claimissues notice?
14:31 Joubu           (and not the claimacquisition)
14:31 oleonard        Is that what I'm supposed to have? Because I can't find any information about what I'm supposed to have
14:32 Joubu           you should have the claimacquisition, because it's in inserted on installing
14:32 Joubu           but the claimserial is not
14:32 Joubu           that's what 4398 is supposed to fix
14:33 Joubu           and I guess it's why you get the warning
14:34 oleonard        By the way Joubu I'm testing Bug 16154 today. I'm trying to poke lots of things.
14:34 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16154 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Replace CGI->param with CGI->multi_param in list context
14:34 Joubu           great idea :)
14:42 tcohen          hi Joubu
14:42 Joubu           hi tco
14:42 Joubu           hen...
14:42 Joubu           hi tcohen!
14:43 tcohen          hi Joubu
14:43 Joubu           :)
14:43 tcohen          hey, how are you doing?
14:43 Joubu           fine, &you?
14:43 tcohen          i'm fine too
14:43 tcohen          trying to help with the things you mentioned in your email
14:44 oleonard        No column 'last_returned_by' in deleteitems... Batch delete fails.
14:46 Joubu           oleonard: this column does not exist
14:46 Joubu           even in the items table
14:46 eythian         https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf7eHZ1W4AEeZJA.jpg
14:46 oleonard        Then perhaps I have something left over after testing a patch
14:46 eythian         wahanui: programming is <reply>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf7eHZ1W4AEeZJA.jpg
14:46 wahanui         OK, eythian.
15:01 oleonard        "performed an eager cursor slurp underneath" You don't say?
15:02 Joubu           tcohen: bug 16229 is freshly signed off :)
15:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16229 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Koha::Cache should be on the safe side
15:03 tcohen          Joubu: i'm not convinced about the 'only clear cache when needed' urgency
15:04 tcohen          it is a tricky thing, and I think it can be delayed until we figure it doesn't cost more calculating it, than fetching the data again
15:04 tcohen          and as tricky as it is, it ca go wrong, so no rush for me
15:04 Joubu           tcohen: the priority is 16229 then 16221
15:05 Joubu           tcohen: then see 16140#c16
15:05 * tcohen        agrees
15:05 tcohen          lets see
15:06 Joubu           It has been proven that the calculation cost more than what it brings
15:06 Joubu           tcohen: then it's bug 16166
15:06 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16166 major, P2, ---, abl, Needs Signoff , Improve L1 cache performance and safety
15:20 reiveune        bye
16:26 cait            gah.
16:26 cait            those cronjobs for self reg are not good
16:26 cait            one deletes a patron without checking for issues fines whatever... and the other deletes borrower_modifications without checking if it's a self reg or a change reqzest?
16:33 oleonard        :(
16:34 cait            not activating those for now... have to think.
16:34 cait            *sighs*
16:34 cait            bye #koha
17:47 drojf           magnuse: around?
17:55 oleonard        Bye #koha
18:11 tcohen          hi cait
18:12 tcohen          ok, I'll take on bug 16229
18:12 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16229 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Koha::Cache should be on the safe side
18:34 drojf           bug 16245
18:34 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16245 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Enhancements to RIS fails on change TY
18:34 drojf           hm nope
18:34 drojf           bug 16254
18:34 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16254 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha/Catmandu dependency clash
18:37 drojf           damn norwegian library card :P
18:53 cait            hi all
18:53 cait            meeting in 7 minutes :)
18:57 * cait          waves and jumps up and down
18:57 cait            so wuiet
18:57 cait            quiet
19:00 cait            ok
19:00 cait            quick survey: someone here for the meeting?
19:00 kidclamp        i am here
19:00 cait            iwill give it a few more minutes
19:00 cait            aah
19:00 cait            ok, but 2 is not a crowd yet :)
19:01 kidclamp        hehe true and in another meeting as well
19:01 cait            ping bag
19:01 cait            ping drojf
19:01 cait            ping everyone
19:01 drojf           i am somewhat here
19:02 drojf           deep in the cpan, fishing for dependencies
19:02 cait            sounds... interesting
19:02 cait            i think we should at least be...5 maybe?
19:02 cait            i will wait a bit longer, maybe 10 past?
19:03 * barton        is in the same meeting as kidclamp, but can multi-task.
19:08 cait            last call for the meeting - participants speak up :)
19:08 drojf           looks not very meetish
19:08 barton          here, cait!
19:09 cait            hm
19:09 cait            not sure it makes much sense with the four of us
19:09 cait            shoudl we reschedule to a different time, next week maybe?
19:09 tcohen          hi cait
19:09 bag             here
19:10 cait            ah
19:10 cait            ok
19:10 cait            that looks a bit better now
19:10 cait            i think we are about 5-6 people for the meeting now
19:10 cait            shall we start?
19:11 cait            lively crowd ;)
19:11 bag             sure
19:11 bag             :)
19:11 bag             grabbing a coffee really quickly
19:11 cait            #startmeeting  Development IRC meeting 13 April 2016
19:11 huginn          Meeting started Wed Apr 13 19:11:38 2016 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:11 huginn          Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
19:11 huginn          The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_13_april_2016'
19:11 cait            #Introductions
19:11 cait            Please introduce yourself using #info
19:11 cait            #topic Introductions
19:11 wahanui         #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
19:12 cait            like wahanuijust did
19:12 drojf           #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
19:12 cait            today's agenda can be found at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_13_April_2016
19:12 cait            #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_13_April_2016
19:12 cait            #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
19:12 bag             #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
19:12 barton          #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater
19:13 cait            tcohen: ?
19:13 cait            kidclamp: ?
19:14 cait            less than 5 again?
19:15 kidclamp        #info Nick CLemens, ByWater Solutiojns
19:15 kidclamp        #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
19:15 cait            ok, moving on
19:15 cait            #topic Review coding guidelines
19:16 cait            khall had proposed to do a draft for a new goding guidelines page  - but I think it will take him a bit longer :)
19:16 cait            so we can move on to the second suggestion from oleonard:
19:17 cait            #info  [oleonard] Proposal: Add a coding guideline discouraging the use of  the "onclick" attribute in favor of defining click handlers in separate  JavaScript blocks or files.
19:17 cait            oleonard has apologized from today's meeting
19:17 cait            is this something people generally agree on or are there questions?
19:18 * barton        generally agrees.
19:18 kidclamp        is there a reason for the preference?
19:18 cait            i think there is one... but i don't know it
19:18 kidclamp        well, it seems reasonable and I trust oleonard to have agood reason
19:18 cait            similar here
19:18 cait            question is, can we vote?
19:19 barton          I'm willing to vote.
19:20 kidclamp        me too
19:20 barton          +1
19:20 cait            #vote Should we add oleonards proposed guideline to the coding guidelines? (yes,no)
19:20 cait            sec
19:20 barton          yes
19:20 cait            #startvote Should we add oleonards proposed guideline to the coding guidelines? (yes,no)
19:20 huginn          Begin voting on: Should we add oleonards proposed guideline to the coding guidelines? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
19:20 huginn          Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
19:20 cait            sorry, i always mess that up
19:21 cait            #vote yes
19:21 barton          yes
19:21 barton          #vote yes
19:21 kidclamp        #vote yes
19:22 drojf           not really qualified to vote on this, but if oleonard wants it its probably right ;)
19:22 drojf           #vote yes
19:22 kidclamp        I think that is what we all agree, let's hope he does not go mad with power
19:22 cait            :)
19:22 cait            #endvote
19:22 huginn          Voted on "Should we add oleonards proposed guideline to the coding guidelines?" Results are
19:22 huginn          yes (4): kidclamp, cait, barton, drojf
19:23 cait            #agreed Proposed guideline will be added.
19:23 cait            #action oleonard to add his proposed coding guideline, maybe with an example, to the coding guidelines page
19:23 cait            #topic Any bugs that are in discussion
19:24 cait            does someone have a bug on mind he/she wants to bring up here?
19:25 cait            if there is none, i'll jump to the next topic
19:25 cait            #topic General development discussion
19:25 drojf           nobody tested bug 15303 so far, so i wonder if i should invest the time to make the changed i intended or it's not going in the next release aqnyway
19:25 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations
19:25 cait            i think it might be something for testing at the hackfest maybe
19:26 drojf           that is a little late for 16.05
19:26 cait            i am not good about sysadmin - but i think there would be other people interested to get walked through it
19:26 cait            true
19:26 cait            i'd like very much to see it - but don't feel comfortable about testing myself
19:27 kidclamp        does it renew the certificates too?
19:28 drojf           that needs a cron job. i can add that
19:29 kidclamp        I think that would make it even more appealing, but with cait, not my wheelhouse
19:30 cait            tcohen maybe?
19:30 drojf           i wanted to have some things in koha-letsencrypt and have an option to LE-ify existing instances. i would throw that in until end of the week, but as a lot of people so far said they want to have it and nobody tested the parts so far, i have more urgent things to do
19:31 cait            maybe send a quick mail to the mailing list?
19:32 cait            saying you need someone to test in order to make thi smoving at this point?
19:32 drojf           hm. maybe
19:34 cait            about the other 4 topics
19:34 cait            i don't want to discuss all of them in this small group i think
19:34 cait            is there somehting someone is specifically interested in ?
19:35 drojf           in general, let's use more catmandu :)
19:35 drojf           when is feature freeze?
19:36 cait            28th
19:36 cait            lots of good things in the queue
19:36 kidclamp        15930 would be nice to get in, and backport
19:36 cait            and Joubu sent a good summary email
19:36 cait            bug 15930
19:36 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15930 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , DataTables patron search defaulting to 'starts_with' and not getting correct parameters to parse multiple word searches
19:36 cait            hm agreed, looks like a bug fix
19:36 drojf           ok then i'm trying to get my own tester :P
19:36 cait            so should be not a problem for backporting hopefully
19:37 cait            when you find out where to buy them tlel me
19:37 cait            i need more qa people :)
19:37 drojf           i hope tcohen will qa it when i get a signoff person
19:38 cait            the other topics are all worthwhile, but probably for another time
19:38 cait            can we move to updates from QA?
19:38 barton          good by me.
19:38 cait            #info bug 15930 for 16.05 and backport
19:38 cait            #info feature freeze is on April 28
19:39 cait            #info bug 15303 needs a tester to help it moving forward
19:39 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Letsencrypt option for Debian package installations
19:39 cait            just feeding the minutes
19:39 cait            #topic Updates from the QA team
19:39 cait            as always... fix all the bugs please, write good test plans and working code :)
19:39 cait            but aside from that i have a proposal
19:39 drojf           that is not an update :P
19:39 cait            something i'd like to try
19:39 cait            #info  [kfischer] proposal to have an 'exception rule' for SIP2  and LDAP related patches being able to pass QA with 2 sign offs.
19:40 cait            we have tried several things.. but ldap and sip2 patches are getting stuck
19:40 cait            there are not a lot of testers for those and they are hard to test
19:40 cait            i'd like to try if it works with 2 sign-offs
19:40 cait            and a qa 'nod'
19:41 cait            what do people think?
19:41 cait            you can say if you hate the idea - but the quiet is scary
19:42 drojf           i wonder what is actually required to test those
19:42 barton          cait: I'm ambivalent -- on one hand I think that moving patches through expiditiously is a good thing, but we also seem to have a lot of weird bugs show up in new releases, especially wrt/ sip.
19:42 eythian         you could also suggest a hackfest project to make a SIP/LDAP test system :) (not volunteering ;)
19:42 cait            i am torn myself
19:42 cait            but a lot of bug fixes got stuck as well
19:43 drojf           is ashimema coming to greece?
19:43 kidclamp        I feel like it sounds reasonable, if the qa 'nod' includes a review fo the code
19:43 cait            no - school holidays in UK
19:43 cait            i'd say so
19:43 drojf           who else has any idea of this stuff?
19:43 kidclamp        faster passing through might make an extra bug, but allows for the fix to come in
19:43 barton          did we ever get any unit tests for sip? I know that someone was working on it at some point...
19:44 cait            khall - but he also writes a lot of the stuff
19:44 cait            ColinC
19:44 kidclamp        maybe get their views?
19:44 cait            ColinC can technically pass QA - we approved of that a while ago as a first measure
19:44 cait            to have an extra SIP person
19:45 cait            at the moment the queue is not super bad
19:45 cait            let me check
19:45 beatsforthemind Is there a reason why the Zebra SRU results don’t include the biblio numbers of the recrds?
19:45 beatsforthemind records*
19:45 cait            hm for ldap i see imeediately on the dashboard
19:45 cait            bug 14144
19:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14144 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Silence warnings t/db_dependent/Auth_with_ldap.t
19:45 cait            bug 6979
19:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6979 major, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , LDAP authentication fails during password comparison
19:45 drojf           beatsforthemind: we are in a meeting
19:45 cait            bug 15006 sip
19:45 beatsforthemind sorry :/
19:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15006 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Need to distinguish client timeout from login timeout
19:46 cait            beatsforthemind: pretty sure they do - checked 999$c?
19:46 drojf           nothing to be sorry about, but you will probably get no answers atm
19:46 barton          beatsforthemind: if you're looking at results in the opac, my guess is that numbers will be supressed if there's any hidden items.
19:47 cait            probably more in needs sign off
19:47 cait            barton: ?
19:47 cait            SRU :)
19:47 barton          ah. sorry. nvm.
19:48 * barton        had his light out, got eaten by an SRU.
19:48 barton          back to dev meeting.
19:48 cait            heh
19:49 cait            ok, we don't have to vote on this if people are not sure about
19:49 barton          yeah, I'd want more input from the community.
19:49 cait            i might encourage a second sign off in some cases to give the qa people a bit more
19:49 beatsforthemind 999$c is it. thanks cait!
19:49 cait            yq
19:49 cait            yw
19:49 cait            ok, time for setting a date/time next meeting?
19:50 cait            #topic Set time of next meeting
19:50 cait            i have a proposal here too - i think this time doesn't work well
19:50 cait            if we moved it by 2 hours, it won't work for europe well (11pm) but woudl be better for australia/nz i guess
19:50 cait            is there something we could work out?
19:51 cait            to keep with the rotation i'd suggest 15 utc otherwise for the next meeting
19:51 cait            should we have another before feature freeze or is later fine too?
19:52 barton          it seems like the 15 utc meetings are better attended.
19:52 drojf           before would probably make sense?
19:52 bag             ok back
19:52 bag             ES is signed off!!!
19:52 barton          bag: w00t!
19:53 cait            bag: that was a real quick coffee? ;)
19:53 cait            hm
19:53 cait            that leves next week
19:53 cait            or something like 26th
19:53 barton          bag: what's the bug number on that?
19:53 kidclamp        he had to pick, roast, grind and brew, pretty fast for all of that
19:54 kidclamp        bug 12478
19:54 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Elasticsearch support for Koha
19:55 kidclamp        next week could be good cait as low attendance today
19:55 cait            ok
19:56 cait            wednesday, 20th - 15 utc?
19:56 kidclamp        +1
19:56 barton          +1
19:56 cait            #agreed Next meeting will be on April 20, 15 UTC
19:56 cait            #endmeeting
19:56 huginn          Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 19:56:38 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:56 huginn          Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_13_april_2016.2016-04-13-19.11.html
19:56 huginn          Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_13_april_2016.2016-04-13-19.11.txt
19:56 huginn          Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_13_april_2016.2016-04-13-19.11.log.html
19:57 cait            thx all
19:57 kidclamp        cait++
19:58 kidclamp        karma cait
19:58 wahanui         cait has karma of 791
19:58 cait            wow, when did that happen
19:58 kidclamp        you can break 1000 by the end of the year
19:59 cait            @karma
19:59 huginn          cait: Highest karma: "cait" (343), "Joubu" (316), and "tcohen" (242).  Lowest karma: "failed" (-26), "<-" (-26), and "ie" (-26).  You (cait) are ranked 1 out of 572.
19:59 drojf           ie--
19:59 cait            oh interesting, different count there
19:59 cait            ie--
19:59 drojf           karma drojf
19:59 wahanui         drojf has karma of 219
19:59 cait            drojf++
19:59 drojf           @karma
19:59 huginn          drojf: Highest karma: "cait" (343), "Joubu" (316), and "tcohen" (242).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-28), "failed" (-26), and "<-" (-26).  You (drojf) are ranked 12 out of 572.
19:59 drojf           ah it does not tell me
20:00 kidclamp        @karma
20:00 huginn          kidclamp: Highest karma: "cait" (343), "Joubu" (316), and "tcohen" (242).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-28), "failed" (-26), and "<-" (-26).  You (kidclamp) are ranked 47 out of 572.
20:00 kidclamp        top 50!
20:01 cait            on the way up :)
20:01 cait            kidclamp++
20:01 kidclamp        heh thanks
20:26 rangi           morning
20:28 magnuse         night
20:29 pianohacker     oh, heh, wahanui and huginn are both tracking karma
20:29 pianohacker     karma pianohacker
20:29 wahanui         pianohacker has karma of 79
20:29 pianohacker     @karma pianohacker
20:29 huginn          pianohacker: Karma for "pianohacker" has been increased 48 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 47.
20:29 pianohacker     @karma
20:29 huginn          pianohacker: Highest karma: "cait" (343), "Joubu" (316), and "tcohen" (242).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-28), "failed" (-26), and "<-" (-26).  You (pianohacker) are ranked 18 out of 572.
20:52 rangi           drojf: are you about?
20:52 drojf           yep
20:53 rangi           im testing your letsencrypt patches
20:53 drojf           awesome!
20:53 wahanui         That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, drojf
20:53 rangi           when you built a package yesterday, did you run into a missing dependency (to do with EDI) for the Readonly module?
20:54 drojf           hmmm no. for installation or during build? i turned of tests
20:54 drojf           off
20:55 rangi           yeah would have been during tests
20:56 rangi           right ill see if i can fix that, yak shaving
20:56 drojf           there was one test that always failed so i had to turn it off. i can try now
20:56 drojf           (that failing one was a while back, i just kept it like that)
20:56 eythian         http://imgur.com/r5CHdTH <-- drojf, have you played this yet?
20:57 drojf           no ;)
20:57 eythian         you should
21:00 drojf           rangi: running build now, can tell you in a few minutes
21:04 drojf           btw i tried latest catmandu and koha. it's a pain in the ass but i got all deps built now apart from the ES stuff.
21:05 drojf           which will probably take the same time again :D
21:05 rangi           sweet
21:06 rangi           im just fixing the tests now
21:06 rangi           while packages build
21:06 drojf           do you know what we are missing right now from catmandu, for ES in koha with the version in jessie?
21:07 drojf           i found only one… i think catmandu::store::elasticsearch?
21:07 rangi           http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/otherthings/
21:07 rangi           yeah
21:07 rangi           you need those other .deb in there
21:07 rangi           to install that one
21:09 drojf           yes, i was wondering because johann said it might be a lot
21:10 rangi           i think thats it
21:10 drojf           i cna send him a list of missing stuff for catmandu 1.02 though, that is a lot :P
21:10 rangi           heh yeah
21:10 rangi           interesting
21:10 wahanui         hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:10 rangi           https://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2016/DebianPerlSprint
21:10 rangi           im flying through zurich, but the day after that finishes
21:11 cait            and after i have left heh
21:11 cait            i am flying form zürich
21:11 cait            but the day before :)
21:11 drojf           timing is everything
21:11 rangi           that would have been good to go to
21:11 wahanui         i already had it that way, drojf.
21:12 drojf           yeah given the way you got to travel anyway that would have made sense
21:16 rangi           damnit another one
21:16 rangi           Can't locate Net/SFTP/Foreign.pm
21:16 rangi           did someone miss updating the dependencies I wonder?
21:17 drojf           i had to restart the build because apparently i tried two options to disable tests and only deleted the one that does not do it. lol
21:17 bag             I think we needed a new package rolled there (iirc) I was looking at that
21:17 bag             I forget at the moment - being pulled in tax direction (hence slow pushing ;) )
21:17 drojf           alright now we got broken tests
21:18 drojf           yeah i start with Net/SFTP/Foreign.pm. what did you have before?
21:21 drojf           oh but that also means whatever was the test that always failed is fixed. nice
21:21 drojf           so i leave them enabled now
21:21 rangi           Readonly was missing before
21:22 drojf           i did not have that
21:23 beatsforthemind Are there size or other limits that are put on the ‘Upload local cover image’ files by Koha outside of the web server?
21:23 cait            hm
21:23 cait            have you cheked the preferences?
21:24 beatsforthemind Looks like they get base64 encoded (or something similar) and stored right in the database.
21:25 beatsforthemind Not as a link to a file.
21:25 cait            yeah that's corect for the local covers
21:26 cait            i think there is no file limit afaik
21:26 rangi           well ive fixed the tests for elasticsearch, ill try letsencrypt again now
21:27 drojf           hmmm. installing libnet-sftp-foreign-perl does not fix the test for me. it stil says  Can't locate Net/SFTP/Foreign.pm
21:28 drojf           rangi++
21:28 drojf           i'll try the ES tests meanwhile
21:33 drojf           ah tricky. i have no ES set up on my dev VM
21:34 rangi           ahh yeah that does make it tricky
21:35 drojf           i'll do that now, unless you tell me i can run the test on a package installation ;)
21:35 rangi           i don't think so
21:35 kidclamp        i can test and SO the ES tests
21:36 kidclamp        assuming nothig beyond they fail before and pass after
21:36 rangi           thats it
21:37 drojf           kidclamp: if you'd do that that would be cool, then i'll skip setting that up now
21:38 kidclamp        done
21:38 rangi           packages built with tests turned off
21:38 drojf           kidclamp++
21:40 drojf           somebody should clean my VMs. it's getting confusing
21:42 rangi           right, testing now
21:43 cait            drojf: hand overyour laptop to me... i will take care of it
21:44 rangi           it works!
21:44 wahanui         But now the Universe has disappeared
21:45 rangi           not again
21:45 drojf           damn. lol
21:46 cait            oleonard++ # lots of testing
21:46 drojf           rangi: i found https://launchpad.net/~chris-bigballofwax/+archive/ubuntu/catmandu how do you set that up? is there some magic or do you just upload your packages somehow? i was thinking about where to throw the catmandu 1.x deps that is less work for others than wgetting it (but not a lot of work for me either)
21:47 eythian         https://github.com/sludin/Protocol-ACME <-- drojf DROJF
21:47 rangi           yeah that is way out of date
21:48 rangi           https://code.launchpad.net/~chris-bigballofwax/catmandu/trunk  <-- this keeps up to date tho
21:48 rangi           basically once you have stuff in launchpad, you can create packaging recipes
21:48 rangi           and then it will automatigically build them
21:49 rangi           but I got distracted by other stuff
21:49 drojf           hm yep that sounds like it would distract me from other stuff :D
21:51 eythian         you could have provisioning from within koha :)
21:53 drojf           "NOTE: This code at this point is functional but should be considered 'alpha' quality."
21:53 drojf           protocol-acme that is
21:53 eythian         what are you, chicken? :)
21:53 drojf           :D
22:07 pastebot        "drojf" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "hmmmmmmmm…" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/413
22:09 eythian         drojf: is =~ valid in bash these days?
22:09 pianohacker     drojf: /bin/sh vs /bin/bash ?
22:09 eythian         oh, it does
22:09 eythian         *is
22:10 eythian         try quoting it
22:10 eythian         might stop the ( ) upsetting things
22:10 eythian         or maybe escape them
22:11 drojf           eythian: you mean quote the part after =~ ?
22:11 eythian         yeah
22:11 eythian         or prefix the ( ) with \
22:27 cait            pianohacker: hm 16237 - marked signed of... but is not?
22:27 drojf           eythian: i think that helps, it complains somewhere else now. i'll fix all of those and see if it works, thanks!
22:28 pianohacker     cait: I have no idea. Poke oleonard
22:28 cait            hm yeah
22:28 cait            he left me a note :)
22:28 cait            will add his line and he can still veto the patch
22:29 drojf           (i tried quoting it)
22:29 bag             ah you do check your notes cait
22:29 cait            pianohacker: much better
22:29 bag             :D
22:29 cait            i like emails a bit better
22:30 cait            i don't have logs at work and when i see them there sometimes forget about them
22:30 bag             @later tell bag  - send cait emails not @laters
22:30 huginn          bag: The operation succeeded.
22:30 cait            EDI looks impressive
22:30 cait            i have no idea what all the fields do :)
22:30 cait            but it's no longer exploding :)
22:31 bag             yeah it does totally feel like it’s overkill
22:31 bag             I wish everyone used the standard - then it wouldn’t be so crazy
22:31 cait            does it come with a detailed manual?
22:31 cait            i wonder if some fields should be marked as required on that form
22:32 bag             I think nengard will be on that
22:56 cait            hm new low for nso - 130
22:56 cait            qa is up of course
22:57 cait            41
22:57 bag             awesome sauce :)
22:58 * cait          wishes we could clone Joubu
22:58 bag             it’s better to make PQA the higher than NSO
22:58 bag             sorry QA not PQA ;)
22:58 bag             but PQA bring the highest is the bestest
22:58 bag             s/bring/being
22:58 bag             sorry for the typing problems today
22:58 bag             yeesh
22:59 cait            almost 1 pm...
22:59 cait            i missed the point of turning into a pumpkin
23:03 cait            night all
23:03 wahanui         goodnight cait. You'll be back.
23:21 pianohacker     whoah.
23:21 rangi           ?
23:21 pianohacker     I'm getting a really odd error from the ES rebuild script
23:22 pianohacker     can't locate method _columns via package "<?xml ..."
23:23 pianohacker     drojf/eythian: ^?
23:23 wahanui         ^ is what I think too
23:23 wizzyrea        <?
23:23 wahanui         well, < is still here
23:23 wizzyrea        that kinda looks like it might be a typo
23:53 pianohacker     swaaaaaaaank this indexing is so fast!
23:54 pianohacker     (once I tell it not to index authorities)
23:54 pianohacker     (because that is BROKEN)
23:55 rangi           ah yeah, fixing the authorities on my list, but yeah it's super fast
23:56 rangi           fast to search too
23:56 rangi           and once we get it in, because it is returning json
23:56 rangi           easy enough to write a js based search too
23:57 pianohacker     rangi: any docs on debugging "no results found"?
23:57 rangi           hmm?
23:57 pianohacker     ES is running, SearchEngine is set, no results for simple keyword searches in the intranet
23:57 rangi           you can paste the query into the ES server manually
23:58 rangi           they are pretty human readable, might help you spot what it's doing wrong, maybe the wrong index
23:59 rangi           for the last bit, ive mostly been focused on making sure that it doesn't break zebra, because I figure that is the blocker, so haven't been working much on the ES side at all
23:59 pianohacker     hmm, indexmissingexception