Time  Nick          Message
02:49 wizzyrea      omg I have to turn off youtube now. I might die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oguvSPdtHQ8
02:49 rangi         heh
05:48 rania         Hello
05:48 wahanui       salut, rania
05:48 rania         j"en ai un problem serious avec cataloguing KOHA
05:49 rania         quand je fais cataloguing et specialement additem un message d"erreur apparaisse error 500 apres enrigistrer
05:49 rania         je dois fermer le browser et log-in encore une fois
05:50 rania         en fait ce message apparisse si je met un non latin text dans le champ NOTES
05:50 rania         pleaseeeee helpppp
05:50 rania         I am oblige to use NOTES
06:01 rania         allo any help
06:02 rania_        anyone can help with error 500 in koha
06:02 rania_        ??
07:40 * magnuse     waves
07:44 marcelr       hi #koha
07:45 magnuse       hiya marcelr
07:46 marcelr       hi magnuse
07:46 magnuse       dcook++
07:55 reiveune      hello
08:06 alex_a        bonjour
08:06 wahanui       hi, alex_a
08:07 gaetan_B      hello
08:24 magnuse       @wunder tso
08:24 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Mechanicstown, Ohio, Ohio, Ohio is 1.7°C (3:10 AM EST on February 25, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Rising).
08:24 magnuse       @wunder tos
08:24 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Tromso / Langnes, Norway is -4.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 25, 2016). Conditions: Light Freezing Rain. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Rising).
08:24 magnuse       @wunder boo
08:24 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 25, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising).
08:30 Francesca     @wunder wlg
08:30 huginn        Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on February 25, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
08:44 magnuse       Francesca: ooh, nice and summery still?
08:44 Francesca     yup
08:44 magnuse       hiya cait and sophie_m
08:45 Francesca     best summer i've ever had in welly
08:45 sophie_m      hello magnuse and #koha
09:13 drojf         morning #koha
09:15 liw           drojf, hi
09:17 liw           drojf, I am afraid I can't commit to giving a Debian packaging tutorial for the time being (my work life being in a bit of turmoil), so I won't be proposing one for Kohacon; I might do one for the gathering in that German city I forget (Hamburg? Berlin? Friedrichshafen?), if I can do that in April
09:24 drojf         morning liw. it's in berlin ;) please let me know when work life things are sorted out and we'll see if berlin works for you
09:24 magnuse       liw: but berlin is in may, not april, i think
09:25 drojf         true. i thought it was about a decision in april, the hackfest is right before kohacon
09:25 magnuse       ah, i might have misread liw
09:25 liw           yeah, decision in April (at the earliest)
09:26 liw           I am easily misred
09:26 magnuse       gotcha
09:39 drojf         "We reached a milestone! 100 people have registered already!" (24 feb)
09:39 drojf         that's gonne be a big kohacon
09:39 drojf         a
09:42 magnuse       yay
10:00 cait          yeah pretty cool :)
10:09 LibraryClaire morning #koha
10:28 cait          morning LibraryClaire
10:30 LibraryClaire hi cait
10:37 clrh          hi #koha
10:38 clrh          I am wondering at what time Kyle begin to work
10:39 drojf         hi cait and all claires ;)
10:44 LibraryClaire hi drojf
10:45 clrh          (answer to my question: in 3 hours I think)
11:09 marcelr       clrh: he might be earlier than that
11:13 clrh          ok marcelr
11:13 clrh          hi khall
11:13 khall         hi!
11:53 * cait        waves
11:53 cait          hopefully not a meeting i missed?
12:11 cait          oh kyle work... got it
13:13 * druthb      giggles.
13:14 druthb        A teammate used a new module in a test that I'd not seen before:  Acme::Damn.
13:19 magnuse       why, bless me!
13:22 druthb        And it's a beautiful thing.  If you don't like the damn() routine, you can pass in any alias you want when you use it:  use Acme::Damn qw(curse);   #or pass_judgement or send_to_hell or unbless or condemn...
13:22 magnuse       lulz
13:23 druthb        Now, I'm gonna have to quiz my teammate on why he'd *want* to do this.
13:34 tcohen        morning
13:48 jcamins       I'm not sure why you would want to unbless a Perl object, but I greatly enjoy the fact that this module exists.
13:49 druthb        yeah, me too.  When my teammate called it, he set it up as "curse".  One other instance of it exists in our codebase, and they used "condemn"
13:49 jcamins       Nor do I see how it works.
13:50 jcamins       I see it doing symbol table munging, but not actually cursing the object.
13:56 jcamins       Oh, it's defined in an xs file.
13:56 jcamins       And I still don't get it.
13:57 magnuse       here be monsters?
13:57 druthb        Like much of Perl, yes.
14:00 magnuse       it's why i love perl - lots of humour :-)
14:02 cait          yeah, not taking yourself too seriously is always a good thing :)
14:04 druthb        I'm still scratching my head as to *why* he'd use this shenanigans.  You don't need it to access the data in the object--in this case, a hashref.  He's using cmp_deeply on it, but you can do that on a blessed hashref, just fine.
14:10 magnuse       druthb: because it's fun?
14:11 * magnuse     wanders off
14:46 drojf         looks like the deadline for kohacon presentations has been changed to 21 march, but it was not announced anywhere?
14:47 drojf         now the website says 7th march
14:48 drojf         that's all a little confusing
14:49 drojf         ah. no. deadline is march 7, confirmation of acceptance for talks is march 21
15:09 cait          i guess that means: submit more!
15:14 cait          drojf: thereis a news entry on the page now too
15:15 drojf         yes but nothing on the list
15:15 drojf         i'm not going to send another mail now. people send their questions about it directly to me…
15:15 cait          let them send it :)
15:16 cait          i think it just changed, it's probably in the works
15:16 drojf         that is what i am hoping for…
15:16 drojf         but i am not sending an email to ask for sending an email either :P
15:16 cait          keep calm and remind people about the berlin hackfest instead? :)
15:17 drojf         nah, don't want to spam. it's not like we have a million of events going on. i think people are aware of it already
15:21 drojf         "This page has been accessed 272 times"
15:21 * druthb      didn't know about the berlin hackfest, until *just now*.
15:21 cait          drojf: hm?
15:21 cait          druthb: there is ahackfest in berlin! :)
15:21 cait          berin hackfest?
15:22 cait          berlin hackfest is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackfest_2016
15:23 druthb        :)
15:24 drojf         druthb!
15:24 drojf         how could you not know?
15:25 drojf         you are probably not on koha-devel anymore?
15:25 druthb        correct.
15:25 drojf         oh no. you miss all the cool insider things! like hackfests :)
15:27 cait          @later tell andreashm finally reviewed the holds spec document - and i think at least one of our libraries will love the options
15:27 huginn        cait: The operation succeeded.
15:28 drojf         does it include "magazin" stuff? someone asked me about that, but i forgot who it was
15:38 cait          drojf: we already have magazin stuff
15:38 cait          allowonshelfholds = ye
15:38 cait          s
15:38 cait          :)
15:40 drojf         hm true
15:40 drojf         druthb: so you're saying you want to come to berlin? :P
15:40 kidclamp      hello all
15:42 druthb        drojf, if it wasn't *right* after OSCON, I just might, especially if I was also going to KohaCon.  But that'd have me gone for basically a whole month, and I don't have *that* much vacation time.  :P
15:43 drojf         damn. you should have way more vacation time!
15:44 * cait        agrees
15:49 druthb        :)
16:05 oleonard      Hi #koha
16:05 * oleonard    grumbles about 3-hour morning meetings
16:14 * drojf       hears 3-hour morning meetings grumble about oleonard in the distance
16:15 pianohacker   (extraordinarily delayed) magnuse!
16:59 gaetan_B      bye
17:03 reiveune      bye
17:08 drojf         oh we have sponsor tables now at kohacon? :|
17:09 drojf         i liked the "you can put your flyer on that table and that's it" aproach used in edinburgh
17:09 drojf         not sure what other kohacons did
17:14 cait          it's a bit different
17:15 cait          but i think not unusual
17:16 cait          java--
17:17 drojf         not unusual for what? kohacons? or conferences in general?
17:17 drojf         the call for sponsorship for 2013 is gone, the whole website for kohacon 2012 is gone
17:17 drojf         hard to track it down, but 2012 was very different
17:18 drojf         also the lowest price is now 10x higher. i think it started at 50€
17:20 cait          yeah that's true, it's missing an option for smaller amounts
17:21 drojf         i doubt scotlsnd got as much as the lowest option altogether
17:21 drojf         scotland
17:21 wahanui       scotland is pretty wicked too
17:21 cait          hm next irc meeting is the week after next i think?
17:22 drojf         which one is your birthday? i think its not that :)
17:22 drojf         i did not put it in my calendar. mhpf
17:24 cait          wiki?
17:24 wahanui       wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org
17:24 cait          ;)
17:27 drojf         reno was $75 and $500, no tables
17:29 drojf         edinburgh was gbp 50 and 500
17:30 drojf         it would be awesome to have liblime with a few tables in the foyer
17:35 drojf         or exlibris
17:39 oleonard      Yes.... Awesome :|
18:15 drojf         i sent them an email asking if they would consider removing the table option. i feel like the ms word paperclip, annoying everyone :P
18:20 drojf         i hope they don't delete my registration now…
18:26 drojf         later #koha
18:37 cait          drojf: someone has to be the paper clip
19:02 oleonard      If I was clippy I'd pop in with "It looks like you're adding an onclick attribute to a link. Wouldn't you rather use progressive enhancement instead?"
19:03 pianohacker   hehehe
19:03 rangi         fwiw kohacon10 was whatever you want, and you got your name in the programme
19:03 rangi         more money didnt get you more stuff
19:03 rangi         however, it turned out, everyone gave about the same anyway
19:04 rangi         and morning
19:04 rangi         basically, the way i feel about Kohacon .. is we should get money from pretty much everyone except the libraries and developers
19:04 rangi         if at all possible
19:05 rangi         (cos they already pay, every day, by using or working on Koha)
19:06 rangi         (we had sponsorship from a licorice factory, stationery warehouse, bars etc)
19:06 rangi         </rant>
19:09 oleonard      Love that licorice/stationery/liquor swag!
19:09 oleonard      But I will give away any licorice swag because I hate licorice.
19:10 rangi         heh
19:12 barton        Hey, I ran into an issue that I *know* that I've seen before, and could have sworn there was a bug open for, but I can't find it for the life of me -- it has to do with predictive search on the circ screen for common patron surnames that contain spaces... e.g. one of our libraries is an academic library that has other libraries as patrons, and therefore has a zillion borrowers with the surname 'New York ...' the predictive search gives more r
19:12 barton        ... does that ring a bell with anyone?
19:12 rangi         hmm first thing i do is always turn predictive search off, it's slow and beats the crap out of the server .. so nope havent run into it
19:13 oleonard      Bug 13822?
19:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13822 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Patron autocomplete search is severly limited
19:13 oleonard      Bug 14871?
19:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14871 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Cannot search for patrons using second surname/firstname
19:16 oleonard      I can't tell if the silence on Bug 15883 is a vote of confidence or apathy.
19:16 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15883 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Upgrade jQuery from v1.7.2 in the staff client
19:17 rangi         heh, i think most people are happy to go with whatever you decide, I know I am
19:17 barton        I think it's 14871.
19:17 * oleonard    becomes drunk with power
19:17 oleonard      Drunk/er/ I guess
19:18 rangi         :)
19:19 * barton      muses that as well as he knows oleonard, he can't remember seeing him drunk.
19:19 oleonard      barton: We should correct that :P
19:19 barton        yeah. we really should.
19:20 barton        ... especially since I'm sure it goes both ways.
19:24 oleonard      datatables.inc links to datTables.buttons.min.js and buttons.colVis.min.js, and so does columns_settings.inc... and both are usually included at the same time :(
19:26 rangi         darn
19:40 eythian       Hi
19:40 wahanui       hello, eythian
19:40 eythian       wahanui: how are you?
19:40 wahanui       i am probably a strange duck
19:40 eythian       Sounds good.
19:42 cait          oleonard++ :)
19:53 pianohacker   oleonard: the best part of the marseille hackfest year before last was the licorice
19:53 pianohacker   delicious salmiakki
19:56 drojf         rangi: did you have tables/booths at kohacon10?
19:57 rangi         nope
19:57 drojf         did we have tha tever? i guess you have been to all kohacons?
19:57 drojf         *that
19:57 rangi         kohacon13 kinda did, but they were actually for another library conference, thats the only one i know of
19:59 oleonard      Bye everyone
19:59 rangi         i dont mind the idea of booths per se, i just think they wont get anyone going to them
20:00 drojf         i don't really see how having 5 tables of koha support providers showning koha would help a koha conference. but i wonder who else may have a table
20:01 drojf         i don't go to library conferences often, the fair-like nature of german "librarian day" is weird to me. maybe it's normal to others
20:02 rangi         its pretty normal for library conferences
20:02 drojf         thats why i like kohacon then ;)
20:02 rangi         everyone ive been to that isnt a kohacon, has a big exhibition hall full of vendors
20:02 rangi         and i just go round collecting pens, and wearing my "Who owns your data?" tshirt
20:03 rangi         most conferences, the vendor hall is how they afford to run it
20:04 rangi         personally if some of the proprietary vendors want to pay to have a stand where I will come and ask them loudly when they are releasing their code under a free software license
20:04 rangi         no worries :)
20:05 rangi         what would be good if we are going to have tables, is to offer some free ones to say, creative commons greece, and FSF-Europe
20:05 drojf         anyway i explicitly said it's my personal opinion that it seems uncommon for kohacon, and i'm not writing not on behalf of "the koha community" (turns out by sending a few list emails about kohacon made me look like some kind of kohacon official to others. *giggles*)
20:06 rangi         hehe
20:06 drojf         there is a "not" too much
20:07 drojf         i got en email from turkey asking about confirmation for their presentation proposal too ;)
20:07 drojf         *an
20:07 rangi         heh
20:07 drojf         you can ask them about their code then :P
20:08 rangi         they are well within their rights, it's only if they start distributing without the source .. or trying to pretend they are Koha (like some other clowns we know) that it is an issue. However I will be encouraging them to upstream
20:08 rangi         for their own good as much as anything else
20:12 rangi         oh great
20:12 rangi         http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/25/openssl_bug_fix_headsup/
20:13 gmcharlt      eh, I had no plans that day
20:13 gmcharlt      <--- liar
20:13 liw           rangi, you LCA presentation about community seems to have been remarkably awesome
20:13 rangi         the write up makes it sound much more awesome than it actually was
20:14 ibeardslee    he is
20:14 eythian       rangi: and this is why I made everything automatic 🙂
20:14 cait          i am sure he was awesome
20:14 cait          who is with me? :)
20:15 rangi         eythian: yup :)
20:15 liw           rangi, I am suspecting you of being named Blaise
20:18 * rangi       has to go to a creative commons advisory meeting .. bbl
20:19 eythian       So, on Sunday I'm going to the Anne Frank huis, currently reading the diary. It annoys me a bit how the edit deliberately foreshadows.
20:23 * liw         looks at eythian and radiates a "eythian should give a Debian packaging tutorial at kohacon" wave into the aether
20:23 cait          :)
20:24 eythian       liw: I'm getting out of practice.
20:24 eythian       Though, I probably could.
20:25 eythian       I just wrote it all in a wiki page instead.
20:25 liw           eythian, I taught you, you should teach the next generation :)
20:25 cait          sounds like there is a responsibility there :)
20:26 eythian       I taught many people 😉
20:26 liw           joking aside, I'd love to do a tutorial, but since I am unsure if I can, I hope someone else can