Time  Nick              Message
23:51 barton            have a nice weekend anyway :-)
23:50 barton            woops, wrong channel.
23:50 barton            ok, I'm forsaking the land of Koha, and heading for the land of Beer. or something. Have a nice weekend!
23:08 mtompset          Have a great weekend, #koha pianohacker_DND rocio
23:08 mtompset          Can't type. :P
23:08 mtompset          insane.
23:07 mtompset          Try not to go insance, pianohacker_DND :)
22:56 cait              night all :)
22:55 pianohacker_DND   very
22:54 cait              i think it says those are for local use... but it's confusing :)
22:54 pianohacker_DND   which part? Because I think it's self-contradictory
22:53 cait              the document linked
22:53 pianohacker_DND   cait: what are you quoting?
22:49 cait              and i'd prefer them over !
22:49 cait              strictly speaking uppercase is not allowed.... but it works
22:48 pianohacker_DND   "uppercase or lowercase, but not both"?
22:48 cait              ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / : ; < = > ? { } _ ^ ` ~ [ ] \
22:48 cait              Data element identifiers defined in MARC 21 may be any ASCII lowercase alphabetic or numeric character. In general, numeric identifiers are defined for data used to process the field, or coded data needed to interpret the field. Alphabetic identifiers are defined for the separate elements which constitute the data content of the field. The character 9 and the following ASCII graphic symbols are reserved for local definition as data element identifi
22:48 pianohacker_DND   waaaaait
22:47 cait              pianohacker_DND: http://www.loc.gov/marc/specifications/specrecstruc.html
22:44 mtompset          cait: probably true.
22:44 cait              i just found one that says lowercase alphabetic and numeric
22:44 cait              i think it depends on the docs you read
22:44 pianohacker_DND   undefined behavior may include but is not limited to a hand reaching out of the screen and flicking you on the nose
22:43 pianohacker_DND   You put that in Rancor, you get undefined behavior
22:43 mtompset          I wonder if $💩 is valid. ;)
22:42 * mtompset        smirks.
22:41 cait              yes
22:40 pianohacker_DND   ...symbols?
22:36 mtompset          "This schema supports XML markup of MARC21 records as specified in the MARC documentation (see www.loc.gov). It allows tags with alphabetics and subfield codes that are symbols, neither of which are as yet used in the MARC 21 communications formats, but are allowed by MARC 21 for local data."
22:36 norbertDD         cait *help* my z39 search doesnt work :/ where i can find logs find the problem
22:35 mtompset          http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/schema/MARC21slim.xsd
22:32 pianohacker_DND   but ISO 2709 is, as far as I know, the only thing that limits valid tag/subfield codes, and it just says alphanumeric
22:32 pianohacker_DND   entirely possible
22:30 mtompset          I think this might be a MARCXML extension.
22:29 huginn            pianohacker_DND: unknown tag 01e
22:29 pianohacker_DND   @marc 01e
22:29 pianohacker_DND   it's in the framework, at least
22:29 mtompset          01e?! Where's the definition?
22:28 pianohacker_DND   marc--
22:28 mtompset          What?!
22:27 pianohacker_DND   and given that it's MARC, I didn't feell safe not supporting that in RAncor
22:27 pianohacker_DND   It's really rare, but there is 01e
22:27 pianohacker_DND   mtompset, yes, unfortunately.
22:26 mtompset          Are you sure, pianohacker_DND?
22:26 mtompset          I thought only subfields could do that.
22:26 mtompset          MARC fields can contain letters?
22:23 pianohacker_DND   s/field/tag numbers/
22:20 * pianohacker_DND wishes that MARC fields couldn't contain a-z
22:14 cait              you too :)
22:14 kidclamp          have a good weekend cait!
22:14 kidclamp          🍺
22:14 kidclamp          indeed! 🍻
22:13 cait              time for a weekend? :)
22:13 cait              maybe try with fresh eyes on monday?
22:12 kidclamp          :-)
22:12 kidclamp          me too, I lost far too mich time debugging my code before figuringout (or convincing myself) that the Barcodes module is the problem
22:11 cait              i think i can't follow - it's a bit too late here
22:10 kidclamp          and it does it's ownfetch to find the highest value or it only builds off of what is passed
22:10 cait              it doesn't seem to show up in context of Seirals or acq
22:09 kidclamp          but it doesn't use next_value, it has it's own increment function
22:09 cait              hm there is a C4:Barcodes in additem.pl
22:09 kidclamp          you can see the queries in ValueBuilder.pm and Barcodes::annual.pm don't match
22:08 kidclamp          it's only when you have more then one matchign value in the db that they are broken
22:08 kidclamp          which says it should use Barcodes.pm
22:08 kidclamp          I don't think anything actually uses them, the plugins use ValueBuilder.pm
22:08 cait              pretty annoying
22:08 cait              if you look at bugzilla
22:07 cait              and fixed
22:07 cait              we have broken them a couple of times already
22:07 kidclamp          looks like the tests don't actually write to the db
22:05 cait              is it only broken in acq or also in cataloguing?
22:05 cait              tests seem ok still perl t/db_dependent/Barcodes.t
22:04 cait              there are tests for the module i think
22:04 cait              hm weird
22:04 kidclamp          same for hbyymmdd
22:04 kidclamp          at least for annual, the sql to get the max does a MAX and a GROUP BY and unpairs the correct values
22:04 cait              hmm
22:03 kidclamp          it's broken cait
21:58 tcohen            hm, barcode generators are good candidates for the plugin system
21:50 cait              catalog the first item manually and then if it does not work... it's broken :)
21:50 cait              you usually need at least one fitting barcode for it to work in your database
21:49 cait              kidclamp: and should not be broken...
21:49 cait              kidclamp: hm it's not dead
21:14 tcohen            depend
21:14 * tcohen          means bugs
21:14 * tcohen          doesn't like patches that are too general
21:11 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
21:11 mtompset          If I improved the perlcritic level of test, should I put the patch on bug 6679, or create a new bug, and put a depends on?
21:10 mtompset          Greetings, tcohen
20:50 mtompset          PDF stuff in Koha is rather poor at this time. :)
20:50 kidclamp          so it's just broken then :-)
20:49 mtompset          Not last time I checked, but I could be mis-remembering. :)
20:49 kidclamp_dnd      anyone know, is C4 barcodes just dead code?
20:03 oleonard          Bye #koha
20:03 mtompset          Wow. My connection is flaky!
19:41 mtompset          makes code more readable and get higher level of perlcritic. ;)
19:40 mtompset          if there is a use English;
19:40 mtompset          $EVAL_ERROR
19:40 mtompset          instead of $@ (for example)
19:40 mtompset          oleonard: Just checking if I needed to change PerlDependencies or not, in case it was a newer version of perl. :)
19:39 oleonard          ?
19:33 mtompset          When did English become a core perl module?
19:15 tcohen            #koha: have a nice weekend everone
18:59 zsolt             thank you
18:56 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
18:56 oleonard          That might be possible if Bug 10486 can be made to work, but it's not possible now.
18:54 zsolt             If somebody searching in a koha library (not mine) to get results from my koha library too?
18:52 magnuse           hope you feel better soon, Joubu!
18:52 oleonard          zsolt: What do you mean by connect?
18:42 Joubu             Have a great week-end #koha!
18:41 Joubu             sorry for the lag, but big cold, I not really around...
18:41 huginn            Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:41 Joubu             @later tell pianohacker please do! :)
18:34 zsolt             Hi, is there an option to connect my library to other libraries<
18:13 oleonard          Perhaps we should throw in, "Is it your true desire to..." or "Have you really thought through your decision to..."
18:12 oleonard          "Are you sure you want..." 87 matches. "Are you sure you wish..." 3 matches.
17:31 oleonard          pref.
17:31 oleonard          Oh, only if I set the SMSSendDriver preg.
17:31 oleonard          'Go to the admin page, the "Additional parameters" area should now have the link "SMS cellular providers"'
17:05 * oleonard        doesn't want to see what is in pianohacker_DND's bug bag.
17:02 gaetan_B          bye
16:56 cait              time for weekend - bye all :)
16:54 pianohacker_DND   sorry, big red bug bag button
16:54 pianohacker_DND   that's my big red bag button is for
16:53 pianohacker_DND   yar yar
16:53 cait              just don't push if you qa ok? :)
16:53 pianohacker_DND   cait: I was gonna QA it to keep things movin, since I know you're busy atm
16:52 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15774 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Additional fields for baskets
16:52 pianohacker_DND   cait: bug 15774 does bring that in; centralized admin screen, factoring out of code, etc etc; thus why Joubu asked for a rebase
16:48 cait              with these features
16:48 cait              y
16:48 cait              because we should aim for some consistenc
16:48 cait              I think i tmight even be good
16:48 pianohacker_DND   coolio macaroni
16:47 cait              a similar feature, but not the same
16:47 pianohacker_DND   that one
16:47 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15774 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Additional fields for baskets
16:47 pianohacker_DND   bug 15774
16:47 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15744 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, GlobalSys: UsageStatsLibraryType German Text 2x "Firmenbibliothek"
16:47 pianohacker_DND   cait: because of bug 15744
16:47 cait              so why are you asking? :)
16:47 cait              hm you haven't written or signed off
16:46 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11844 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Additional fields for order lines
16:46 pianohacker_DND   Joubu: any reason I shouldn't QA bug 11844?
16:33 Joubu             bag: ok great to hear that :)
16:33 mtompset          Wow.
16:33 medo              maybe 400k borrowers
16:32 bag               yes Joubu
16:32 medo              circ done on the test? probably not much. if i can import with the history, maybe 1.5M circs a year
16:32 Joubu             bag, khall: do you have a push session planned soon?
16:31 mtompset          You might be able to get your 2M on a 64GB.... but I'd be worried about running out of diskspace for circulation.
16:30 mtompset          But I've seen item entries a lot longer than 1K.
16:28 mtompset          Because lots of circulation needs more drive space.
16:28 mtompset          A base install, you get 5GB drive... 2M items @ 1K each = 2GB * 6 (because Zebra is a pig, and mysql [3[zeb]+2[mysql]+1[data itself]]) = 12GB. -- Okay, what about circulation numbers?
16:25 medo              thanks. i'm curious as to what other people are using - is there anything published on server specs for library/collection size?
16:23 mtompset          Though, like I said more is always good.
16:21 mtompset          256GB drive space (I'm totally guessing at this), 4GB Ram.
16:21 medo              eventually. i'd probably start much smaller, but i'd rather only set it up once
16:21 medo              but yes, i don't know much about setting up the vm, so i'm looking for some good numbers to give our sysadmin
16:20 mtompset          Oh, testing THAT size....
16:20 mtompset          Okay, for tinkering around you can probably get away with 32GB (it's a nice round number) drive, and at least 1GB RAM.
16:20 medo              but i would like to eventually test it with our full collection, 650k bibs, 2M items. maybe a few hundred clients
16:20 medo              haha no, definitely not production
16:19 mtompset          Because more is always good. :)
16:19 mtompset          Are you going to be lazy and call it production after you finish doing this? :)
16:19 mtompset          How big is your test data?
16:18 mtompset          medo: allocate what? disk space? memory?
16:18 medo              i'm setting up a vm to try it out on, and not sure how much to allocate
16:18 medo              hi all - i'm looking for some guidance on server specs for koha. the only thing i've seen so far is the requirements on the download page https://koha-community.org/download-koha/
16:17 mtompset          francharb: Sorry, I was looking in another window. Your play on words was just fine. :)
16:01 reiveune          bye
16:01 francharb         (^L^)
15:55 Joubu             francharb: try adding some more smileys ;)
15:51 francharb         :)
15:51 francharb         I just hope my broken english is not innapropriate
15:50 francharb         ;)
15:50 francharb         Then we could say for any question, have you checked Cait?
15:50 francharb         ;)
15:50 francharb         Let's make a FAQ called "Cait"
15:41 druthb            :P
15:41 cait              hmpf
15:41 * druthb          agrees with Brooke--cait is always right.  :)
15:39 cait              but as single person with a small apartment that's not really an option at the moment :)
15:39 gmcharlt          cait++
15:39 cait              :)
15:39 cait              oleonard: but i like cats ):
15:32 gmcharlt          :)
15:32 oleonard          Brooke: She can't be *that* closely related to gmcharlt, she doesn't have any cats.
15:30 Brooke            I suspect a close shared common ancestor with Galen. >.> <.<
15:30 cait              that would amke me really scary... thankfully it#s totally not true
15:29 Brooke            Cait is always right, never wrong.
15:29 cait              i ran into the same.... and just discovered the library turned it back on *sigh*
15:29 cait              np
15:29 francharb         Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:28 francharb         but for whatever reason, haven't tried this one
15:28 * cait            nods
15:28 francharb         I tried the other one (stemming, etc)
15:28 francharb         cait, you nailed it! It was autotruncate
15:28 cait              hm and also stemming
15:25 cait              try to turn off autotruncate
15:25 cait              i think some of the prefs don't work well
15:25 cait              hm
15:25 francharb         marc21
15:25 francharb         yes cait
15:25 francharb         I checked the rank option in the zebra configuration file
15:25 wahanui           i guess marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html
15:25 cait              marc21?
15:24 francharb         I enable the queryweighfield syspref
15:24 francharb         but the thing is, on my installations, records are always ordered by biblionumber when I order by relevance
15:23 francharb         I read this too
15:23 cait              hm i sometimes refer to this, but not sure how well it covers the topic http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/11/27/a-little-bit-about-relevance-in-koha/
15:23 francharb         I read about it on the mailing list and zebra documentation
15:23 francharb         I kno
15:23 francharb         ahah
15:22 cait              ew
15:22 francharb         does relevance ranking works in 3.20?
15:22 cait              and hi :)
15:22 francharb         ah thanks
15:22 francharb         cait, what up?
15:21 francharb         oleonard, me too!
15:21 cait              francharb: what was your question?
15:21 mtompset          "What do Librarians Know about Barbecue?" - that's a nice description. :)
15:21 * oleonard        has now forgotten what he was working on
15:20 Brooke            ^^^^^^ total #fail academics. 1 joint in the great commonwealth of virginia? THIS CANNOT STAND.
15:20 Brooke            http://www.lib.ua.edu/aserl-bbq/
15:19 Brooke            I kin listen to that raght thar while lookin' over mah ASERL BBQ guide
15:19 Brooke            yee haw!
15:19 mtompset          Brooke: You triggered a musical flashback. :) https://youtu.be/xtolv9kM1qk
15:18 francharb         I was reading emails and keep asking myself, why is there J everywhere
15:18 Brooke            🐈
15:18 francharb         I realised lately that 'J' was the windows emoji for :)
15:17 francharb         emojs as tags! sounds fun!!
15:16 * Brooke          misses her super sekrit boyfriend Beau
15:15 mtompset          Strangely, it let me set it, though it displays it as 6 characters instead of 3 when entering it.
15:14 Brooke            thought you'd see the light :P
15:14 mtompset          No, it's okay.
15:13 Brooke            and I mean FILTHY
15:13 Brooke            if you wanna test unicode compliance I could try and fish up some tasty filthy CKJ data for you
15:13 Brooke            hehehe
15:12 mtompset          For testing unicode compliance, of course. :)
15:12 mtompset          druthb: Thanks for the reminder. I want to test if I could set my password to 💩💩💩
15:11 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Allow the use of emojis as tags on records
15:11 oleonard          francharb: No, I'm just obsessed with Bug 15794
15:11 francharb         ;)
15:11 francharb         that's what druthb and me make you think about, an emoji of a pile of poo? oleonard
15:11 druthb            see, oleonard, you may be right.  I'm all about adding Unicode compliance *everywhere*.
15:10 Brooke            as long as you felt guilty of your own initiative, you'll keep contributing to project ;P
15:10 francharb         lol
15:10 francharb         ahah
15:10 francharb         Now I feel bad connecting just to ask my question
15:10 oleonard          I just feel like if maybe francharb and druthb were still around I would be able to tag a book in the OPAC with an emoji of a pile of poo and it would work.
15:09 druthb            Aw!
15:08 oleonard          Same for you druthb
15:08 francharb         :)
15:08 oleonard          Without you, that is.
15:08 oleonard          francharb: if you came to #koha curious to see how we're doing without, the answer is terrible.
15:07 Brooke            No but they have a suspicious .js 22meg package ;)
15:06 francharb         :)
15:06 oleonard          I'm doing well francharb, thanks
15:06 mtompset          Were they made with a sugar substitute and less than 1 net carb? ;)
15:06 Brooke            howdy mtompset
15:05 mtompset          Greetings, druthb Brooke
15:05 * Brooke          passes out <3 cookies.
15:05 francharb         :)
15:05 * druthb          hugs francharb.
15:05 * francharb       hugs druthb
15:05 * druthb          hugs Brooke
15:04 * Brooke          tackles Ruth
15:04 * francharb       hugs Brooke
15:04 mtompset          oleonard: Thanks for that link.
15:04 * Brooke          hugs francharb
15:04 francharb         o/ mtompset
15:04 mtompset          Greetings, francharb oleonard
15:04 francharb         Hi oleonard, pretty well. You?
15:03 oleonard          Hi francharb, how's it going?
15:03 francharb         Long time no see
15:03 francharb         Hi Koha!
15:01 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12561 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views
15:01 oleonard          Bug 12561
15:01 mtompset          I'm thinking the opac/opac-detail template needs a serious refactor to clean it up.
14:59 mtompset          And that will be confusing for a tester.
14:59 mtompset          because the problem is the UI uses those template variable to display values which should be filtered, but aren't, because the $dat isn't the same kind of thing.
14:57 tcohen            but we need the filter pushed first
14:57 tcohen            once it works, we'll figure how to best integrate it on the pipe
14:57 tcohen            i'd recommend that you focus on the filter, for MARC::Record objects
14:56 mtompset          Keep the ShouldHideMarc function?
14:56 mtompset          How do you recommend filtering that?
14:56 mtompset          It isn't MARC at all.
14:56 mtompset          The issue is that the $dat is a hash of the database tables.
14:56 mtompset          I get that you want to use filters... I think I might have something for the GetMarcBiblio call at the top.
14:55 mtompset          Okay, if you look at the first splinter review on the bug and click over the opac-detail.pl
14:54 tcohen            (i don't, but lets try :-D)
14:54 tcohen            shoot
14:54 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 major, P3, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , opac detail scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
14:54 mtompset          Do you have a little time to discuss filters, hashes, and bug 11592?
14:53 tcohen            hi mtompset
14:52 huginn            mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 15 minutes and 29 seconds ago: <tcohen> @later tell wizzyrea maybe I made a mistake creating the kohadevbox:ansible branch, but I needed it for my release manager duties, and for properly testing the plack integration into packages, without breaking the one everyone was already using
14:52 mtompset          @seen tcohen
14:52 mtompset          Greetings, #koha.
14:37 huginn            tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:37 tcohen            @later tell wizzyrea maybe I made a mistake creating the kohadevbox:ansible branch, but I needed it for my release manager duties, and for properly testing the plack integration into packages, without breaking the one everyone was already using
14:13 cait              and ... the day after monday
14:13 cait              nah thursday was yesterday
14:10 oleonard          So... It's not Friday in Germany, it's Thursday again? Bummer.
14:00 cait              2 thursdays... in german now :)
14:00 cait              we managed for the secnd time to get the week days wrong int the calendar widget :)
13:57 cait              heh
13:56 * cait            nos has to find "Tu" in the po files... wish me luck
13:56 oleonard          Pretty soon all tables in Koha will look like this: http://blog.codinghorror.com/content/images/uploads/2006/02/6a0120a85dcdae970b0120a86d6311970b-pi.png
13:55 cait              a ood thought, but i have my doubts
13:55 cait              hehe
13:55 oleonard          Tell them they have to shell out money for column configuration on that page :P
13:54 cait              like the filters
13:54 cait              and have the extra features
13:54 kidclamp          yeah, that's a bugger
13:52 cait              I thin i will declare it too error-prone - worried this is going to break with updates etc because we can't address the columns
13:51 cait              yes
13:51 kidclamp          trying to hide 'Current location' cait?
13:48 cait              hm not getting this to work
13:44 cait              not there yet.
13:44 cait              growls
13:40 kidclamp          good idea cait, it's a nice intro patch just adding ids
13:40 cait              trying to adapt your sample, unsuccessful so far... will continue
13:40 kidclamp          oleonard:yeah sometimes I wish there were two userjs prefs: one before the koha scripts so you can stop or override them if you want, and one after so you can build on them
13:39 cait              kidclamp: maybe something for hackfest :)
13:39 cait              if i had the time i would id all the things :)
13:39 oleonard          The more we load JS on top of things the more difficult it is for the end-user to customize.
13:39 tcohen            cait++ # volunteering
13:38 cait              write a patch to give ids to everything? ;)
13:37 kidclamp          I don't like counting columns, but what can you do
13:36 tcohen            khall: around?
13:36 kidclamp          }
13:36 kidclamp          display: none;
13:36 kidclamp          #issues-table thead th:nth-child(12), #issues-table tbody td:nth-child(12) {
13:36 tcohen            hi cait :-D
13:36 kidclamp          cait: yeah, it can be super annoying, we used css to help hide the checkin column on the issues table, that might mork, you just have to point to the right column number
13:36 * cait            waves
13:36 LibraryClaire     hi tcohen
13:36 tcohen            hi oleonard
13:35 oleonard          Hi tcohen
13:35 tcohen            morning!
13:35 cait              ... headache :)
13:35 cait              and with activate filters... it's adds another first column
13:34 cait              the problem is, that we have no identifieres
13:34 cait              thx, i will tkae a look at that!
13:33 cait              kidclamp: wow
13:33 kidclamp          cait: this may help - http://bywatersolutions.com/2014/11/07/koha-patron-checkouts-table/
13:30 cait              a lot of the columns are optional
13:29 cait              but probably hard
13:29 cait              it would b really nice to have the new columns config for th items table
13:29 cait              yeah it hink it's the datatable making it hard
13:28 oleonard          I think its a conflict with the table structure which is generated by DataTables
13:26 wahanui           cait: I forgot which page
13:26 cait              wahanui: forget which page
13:25 cait              hm and once you activate the filters it gets a bit messy
13:23 cait              $(".items_table td:eq(1)").hide(); seems to hide half of it, but the same for th doesn't work?
13:21 cait              detail page in staff for a record with items
13:21 wahanui           Which page is wrong?
13:21 oleonard          Which page?
13:21 cait              struggling a bit because my firebug stopped working
13:17 cait              ok, they want to hide current location - because location shows under home library
13:14 cait              sec, tryin got see what i tried last time
13:11 oleonard          Sure
13:10 cait              we have librareis with only one branch requesting that we hide one of the library columns in the staff item table... but i failed to do that. now the next asked for it... do you have a moment?
13:09 cait              i had a question for you
13:09 cait              hi oleonard :)
12:52 LibraryClaire     hi oleonard
12:50 oleonard          Hi #koha
11:11 kivilahtio        the internals can be replaced with DBI :)
11:11 kivilahtio        Koha::Object might get a speedup then
11:10 kivilahtio        Joubu: I just cant help but wonder what happens to all the batch operations in Koha when everything is under Koha::Object
11:10 kivilahtio        petter: its ok, I am taking care of a baby :)
11:08 petter            olli: sorry, got stuck in discussion, brb
11:04 LibraryClaire     morning #koha
10:58 kivilahtio        Joubu: but it is good for you
10:58 kivilahtio        Joubu: too bad
10:58 Joubu             I am tracking origin/master, nothing else
10:58 kivilahtio        Joubu: get amazed by our REST API and PageObject tests ;)
10:58 kivilahtio        you can clone our KohaSuomi repo if you want :)
10:57 kivilahtio        Joubu: too much work to exract the feature, it wont merge to master anyway
10:57 kivilahtio        Joubu: nope
10:57 Joubu             submit on bugzilla instead
10:57 kivilahtio        Joubu: and drive NYTProf on them
10:56 kivilahtio        Joubu: you can super easily just choose from the script if you want to run in Koha:Object or DBI mode
10:56 Joubu             DBIx::Class > DBI it's expected
10:56 Joubu             ok so it makes sense...
10:56 kivilahtio        Joubu: I will tell you which cronjob it is
10:56 kivilahtio        Joubu: I am pushing new code to our GutHub today
10:56 kivilahtio        Joubu: Koha::Object vs DBI
10:56 Joubu             kivilahtio: so you have compared Koha::Object vs DBIx::Class vs DBI
10:55 Joubu             really know what?
10:54 wahanui           kivilahtio: i'm not following you...
10:54 kivilahtio        wahanui: I dont think anoybody really know
10:54 wahanui           i think Koha::Object is way underdocumented, you should explain its purpose and how it should be used in the perldoc, otherwise no one else can meaningfully use it.
10:54 kivilahtio        Joubu: Koha::Object
10:53 Joubu             kivilahtio: Koha::Objects or DBIx::Class? ...
10:43 kivilahtio        petter: how are you doing?
10:43 kivilahtio        petter: http://renki.pohjoiskarjala.net:8092/oplib-label-editor.mp4
10:42 kivilahtio        petter: but you are builidng cool stuff, like we
10:42 kivilahtio        I hope there is something wrong with our Koha::object configuration :)
10:42 kivilahtio        I have a Koha burnout
10:42 kivilahtio        for the shole database of 1.6 million bibs
10:41 kivilahtio        Extracting marc-fields to specific database columns took 6-7 times longer using Koha::Object than DBI
10:41 kivilahtio        I am not so sure
10:40 kivilahtio        petter: are you coming to KohaCon?
10:39 huginn            04Bug 15126: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , REST API: Use newer version of Swagger2
10:39 kivilahtio        https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15126
10:39 wahanui           i already had it that way, kivilahtio.
10:39 kivilahtio        petter: the spec is here
10:37 drojf             have a nice weekend #koha
10:37 kivilahtio        it'' cool!
10:37 kivilahtio        petter: https://renki.vaarakirjastot.fi/api/v1/doc/#/
10:36 kivilahtio        we made a suggested pattern for organizing the Swagger2-spec
10:36 kivilahtio        petter: we totally overhauled our Swagger2-driven Mojolicious REST API
10:36 kivilahtio        petter: we are cooking a lot of stuff!
10:36 kivilahtio        petter: possibly
10:32 petter            hey olli! Longest time!
10:32 magnuse           yeah, time flies
10:31 petter            hei magnus!
10:25 kivilahtio        long time no wave magnuse
10:25 * magnuse         waves to petter and kivilahtio
10:07 kivilahtio        when is Koha migrating to that?
10:07 kivilahtio        wow I notice we have a MARC::Moose::Record module in cpan
09:07 Francesca         hi
08:56 drojf             [off] magnuse: sadly that fits in perfectly with my experience with hospital libraries so far
08:53 magnuse           kia ora cait!
08:53 magnuse           drojf: librarian at a hospital
08:50 drojf             magnuse: scary. what does she do?
08:47 wahanui           okay, magnuse.
08:47 magnuse           my wife is also on xp at her work
08:46 magnuse           woohoo
08:45 drojf             berlin administration not only failed to move on from windows XP in time, they also have an estimate of 26000 computers with unsupported versions of IE as of today. berlin is awesome.
08:42 drojf             :)
08:41 magnuse           mohahaha
08:37 drojf             damn. norwegians, always one step ahead
08:35 magnuse           i have been to a catmandu workshop in hamburg (swib) but would probably not mind another one
08:35 magnuse           hiya marcelr
08:31 drojf             need to send marc a spam email too, he is not too far away ;)
08:31 huginn            drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 22 hours, 6 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: * mveron waves
08:31 drojf             @seen mveron
08:30 * drojf           lures magnuse
08:30 marcelr           hi magnuse
08:30 drojf             magnuse won't be able to resist a catmandu workshop at some point
08:30 * magnuse         is closer to berlin than to marseille
08:29 marcelr           :)
08:29 drojf             but compared to the rest of the koha community, you are pretty close too :)
08:28 drojf             and well, i can walk there, it's my office :D
08:28 marcelr           ok
08:28 drojf             johann is closest. he is doing the catmandu workshop. from berlin state library ;)
08:27 marcelr           cait is the closest
08:27 drojf             cait is coming. more have not dared to say so yet
08:27 marcelr           yes it should ;)
08:27 drojf             oh marcelr, you should of course also come to berlin ;)
08:26 drojf             but it looks like it may be a big kohacon
08:26 marcelr           hi gaetan_B
08:25 wahanui           niihau, gaetan_B
08:25 gaetan_B          hello
08:25 drojf             i don't
08:25 marcelr           do we also know how many are on the hackfest?
08:24 drojf             from the kohacon website
08:24 drojf             "We reached a milestone! 70 people have registered already!  on 12 Feb 2016"
08:23 drojf             we should have them more often ;)
08:22 marcelr           i would not like to miss europe kohacons
08:22 drojf             cool!
08:21 marcelr           yes that is the plan at least
08:21 drojf             marcelr: are you going to kohacon?
08:21 marcelr           hi drojf
08:20 drojf             hi marcelr
08:18 marcelr           hi #koha
08:16 magnuse           starting ti think about it...
08:16 drojf             so you are doing your own homebrew marseille?
08:15 magnuse           and i can probably rustle up 10-20 types of french cheese in the local shops
08:15 magnuse           on the other hand, i found a norwegian online store that sells those peanut butter chocolates that bag usually brings with him
08:13 magnuse           matts: no, not really :-)
08:13 magnuse           drojf: yeah, if only! ;-)
08:12 matts             you call -1°C spring ? :)
08:12 matts             hi !
08:04 drojf             magnuse: if only there were alternatives to bridge the gap until october ;)
08:04 wahanui           hello, alex_a
08:04 alex_a            bonjour
08:02 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
08:02 magnuse           @wunder boo
08:02 magnuse           spring without marseille - it's starting to feel like something is missing...
08:00 sophie_m          hi #koha
07:59 sophie_m          hello magnuse
07:59 magnuse           bonjour sophie_m
07:59 magnuse           moin drojf
07:57 drojf             hei magnuse
07:53 * magnuse         waves
07:52 wahanui           niihau, reiveune
07:52 reiveune          hello
07:48 Mali_             reply
07:35 Mali_             Hello to all i ahve a question about koha, Can we use koha as inventry system and how to change it
07:28 huginn            drojf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 6.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
07:28 drojf             @wunder marseille, france
07:28 huginn            drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 12.0°C (9:20 AM EET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:28 drojf             @wunder thessaloniki, greece
07:27 huginn            drojf: The current temperature in Largo di Torre Argentina, Roma, Italy is 8.6°C (8:21 AM CET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
07:27 drojf             @wunder rome, italy
07:27 huginn            drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
07:27 drojf             @wunder berlin, germany
07:05 drojf             morning #koha
03:28 Oak               ignore wahanui, it's a bot.
03:27 wahanui           the issue here is that there are some advanced searches that don't work without query parser, but show up anyway (which strikes me as bad)
03:27 sjamso            What is the issue here
03:27 sjamso            koha page says.. Welcome to the Koha web installer. But I am not able to login
03:15 sjamso            Actualling I am suppose to install through web installer. That didnt work.  The url it shows is http://library.rim.edu.in:8080/cgi-bin/koha/installer/install.pl
03:12 wizzyrea          I'm sorry I have to run away now.
03:11 wizzyrea          through the web installer?
03:11 wizzyrea          have you already installed Koha?
03:11 sjamso            username and password filed getting blank
03:11 wizzyrea          that sounds like the installer.
03:11 sjamso            It does not give any errors too.
03:10 Oak               :)
03:10 wizzyrea          hi Oak :)
03:10 Oak               Hello wizzyrea !
03:10 sjamso            I tried with koha_myinstancename with the password in koha-conf.xml file.. Still not working
03:10 Oak               yup
03:10 wizzyrea          that really ought to work, there isn't a reason that it wouldn't
03:10 Oak               does is give an error message?
03:08 sjamso            ya.. I got only one instance
03:08 sjamso            I am using username and password in koha-conf.xml file
03:07 wizzyrea          and you only have the one instance?
03:07 sjamso            ya
03:07 wizzyrea          and the password in the koha-conf file?
03:07 wizzyrea          and you are using user koha_instance
03:07 sjamso            ya.. I see that but cannot loogin with the username and password
03:06 wizzyrea          do you see the login box?
03:06 wizzyrea          how can you not login?
03:06 sjamso            I tried that also but I was not able to login. So I change the password in the file and tried but still no luck
03:06 wizzyrea          ^
03:04 Oak               I think you were supposed to log in using that username password in the xml file, and then create a new user in Koha, then grant that user super librarian access.
03:02 sjamso            How do I change default username and password for koha. I installed koha but I am not able to login. I did chage the password in koha-conf.xml file though
02:56 * Oak             waves