Time  Nick          Message
03:44 * Francesca   waves
06:19 dcook         night all
06:19 wahanui       goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
06:32 pablito       hi everyone, I have a problem with the new barcode format for Koha 3.22
06:33 pablito       I have set the format to be EAN-13, but since I updated to the latest Koha 3.22.3, the format has changed even though the setting is still at EAN-13\
07:25 marcelr       hi #koha
07:49 reiveune      hello
08:02 alex_a        bonjour
08:14 gaetan_B      hell
09:21 drojf         morning #koha
09:47 drojf         what is urgent about an image in a koha opac?
09:47 * drojf       sighs
09:54 drojf         i wonder if others would like a "if your question is urgent now, you should have asked it yesterday -- free tech support" shirt too
10:02 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
10:02 huginn        drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 2.0°C (10:50 AM CET on February 18, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
10:20 cait          drojf: also missing version and how he added it....
10:22 drojf         the more "urgent", the less info in the email. i looked though all mails with "urgent" in the topic from that list wondering if i set a filter to just delete such mails. but there are really urgent things like bugs after upgrades sometimes, so i did not
10:23 drojf         and hi cait
10:28 marcelr       Joubu: bug 15809? if I would submit a counter patch, i cannot qa anymore ..
10:28 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15809 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , versions of CGI < 4.08 do not have multi_param
10:29 Joubu         but I could :)
10:29 Joubu         marcelr: I don't like the Koha::CGI module
10:30 marcelr       why not?
10:30 Joubu         and don't understand how you could do without modifying pm files
10:30 Joubu         I don't see the point, to create a module, to handle an overwrite
10:31 Joubu         then we will remove this trick around multi_param/param and have Koha::CGI everywhere, for nothing
10:31 marcelr       everywhere?
10:31 wahanui       everywhere is a suburb
10:31 marcelr       you could remove the call and the module in one run (automatically)
10:32 marcelr       i am wondering how many times we really need to silence the warns
10:34 Joubu         The solution I suggest seems so easier that I don't want to implement something else
10:34 marcelr       it is kind of quick and dirty
10:35 marcelr       but i understand your point
10:35 Joubu         but very efficient
10:35 Joubu         and it's what has been done in other projects
10:35 marcelr       but it still needs attention for the warn variaable
10:35 Joubu         the warn var is useless if it's not triggered by older version
10:35 Joubu         s
10:36 marcelr       if nobody sends another reply, i will have a second look tomorrow
10:37 marcelr       they had a chance
10:57 Qasim         hello
10:57 wahanui       hola, Qasim
10:58 Qasim         i have same problem
10:58 Qasim         my koha overdue first notice in going but other not
10:59 Qasim         any solution
11:00 Qasim         my koha overdue first notice is going but other not
11:00 Qasim         any solution help me thanks
11:05 drojf         urgent
11:05 drojf         sorry
11:16 Joubu         @later tell rangi could you have a look at the splitter cronjob please? It's not up-to-date at all. Thanks!
11:16 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
11:16 * andreashm   waves
12:51 oleonard      Hi all
12:54 LibraryClaire Hi #koha
13:05 oleonard      Good morning barton
13:05 barton        morning oleonard!
13:06 cait          morning oleonard :)
13:06 cait          oleonard++
13:06 cait          patches everywhere!
13:12 oleonard      But still no emojis as tags. All my efforts are drops in the ocean compared to that.
13:14 cait          heh
13:23 oleonard      When using the koha-translate command I get errors, including "Koha directories hierarchy for de-DE must be created first"
13:23 oleonard      That doesn't seem like it should happen. Permissions problem perhaps?
13:23 cait          hm run it a second time
13:23 oleonard      Same
13:23 cait          i have seen this... but i think it goes away if you just run it again
13:23 cait          hmmm
13:24 cait          yeah shoudl not happen i think - this is on master?
13:27 oleonard      I'm trying to install translations in my gitified package installation, and what I recall is that I need to use koha-translate to generate the translations and then copy them to my git directory
13:29 cait          hmm
13:29 cait          i am sorry, i never worked with gitified much
13:34 tcohen        morning
13:34 tcohen        oleonard
13:34 wahanui       i guess oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
13:34 tcohen        that won't work
13:34 oleonard      Is there a correct way tcohen?
13:34 tcohen        you need to do it the-old-way
13:34 drojf         oleonard: http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2015-12-03#i_1763107
13:34 tcohen        cd misc/translator
13:35 tcohen        perl translate install <lang>
13:35 drojf         (not sure if it worked back then from the logs)
13:35 oleonard      Thanks drojf it won't be the last time the irc log proves my memory to be terrible.
13:36 drojf         oleonard: it happens to me all the time
13:36 oleonard      I remember yesterday I did some... stuff.
13:36 tcohen        oleonard, koha-translate will use the packages templates
13:36 tcohen        you want to use the git ones
13:37 oleonard      Thanks tcohen I'll try that.
13:38 oleonard      I wonder if we can use data from the schema to provide autocomplete on preferences which require you to enter table column names?
13:39 tcohen        oleonard: have you tried kohadevbox?
13:42 oleonard      No
14:35 CanuckPaul    Just testing a new install of Chatzilla
14:38 oleonard      CanuckPaul: Words have appeared on the screen making it look as if you are speaking. Success!
14:41 Vera          hello drojf
14:44 CanuckPaul    Thanks Owen -- I'm a bit of a liddite at this sort of thing...
14:45 CanuckPaul    woops - l*u*ddite -- fingers not going yet, it's zero degrees Fahrenheit outside.
14:46 oleonard      @wunder 45701
14:46 huginn        oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 3.6°C (9:45 AM EST on February 18, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady).
15:03 oleonard      sql in cataloguing/editor.pl? Isn't that against coding guidelines?
15:05 cait          it's not a report... so probabyl yes
15:22 cait          gmcharlt: around?
15:22 gmcharlt      cait: hmm?
15:23 cait          hi :)
15:23 cait          LibraryClaire: is having trouble getting into the wiki
15:23 cait          i moderated her request - so that shoudl be ok
15:23 cait          shoudl the initial password be sent by email?
15:24 cait          she tried sending herself a new password, but hasn't received an email
15:27 gmcharlt      cait: I checked the wiki's mail logs, and it thinks that it successfully sent the email (about 1.5 hours ago); she should check her spam folder
15:28 cait          LibraryClaire?
15:28 cait          can you see which email was used?
15:28 gmcharlt      yep
15:28 LibraryClaire I checked. Nothing :(
15:34 gmcharlt      LibraryClaire: may try creating an account with a different email address?
15:34 LibraryClaire gmcharlt: will try now
15:37 LibraryClaire gmcharlt: got the email address confirmation straight away, so just waiting for a password
15:57 LibraryClaire no joy yet, heading off in a mo so will keep an eye out for an email
16:03 reiveune      bye
16:37 gaetan_B      bye
17:21 oleonard      Useful? http://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/14558159879159
17:25 oleonard      The reaction is unanimous!
17:25 tcohen        oleonard++
17:25 * tcohen      likes it
18:11 pianohacker   fredericd: how is coce pronounced?
18:50 oleonard      pianohacker: How does the MARC editor decide which interface to use?
18:51 pianohacker   oleonard: saved in a cookie; when you click "switch to advanced/basic" it changes the cookie
18:52 oleonard      Where does that cookie check happen in the code?
18:54 pianohacker   oleonard: addbiblio.pl just after the get_template_and_user
18:55 pianohacker   it exploding?
18:56 oleonard      No, just thinking about whether it might be useful to offer the user an explicit choice in some cases.
18:57 oleonard      Like an "Edit with..." menu on addbooks.pl for instance
18:59 oleonard      Or maybe that's just something which sounds useful because look at it through the eyes of a tester.
19:00 oleonard      http://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/14558220302326
19:00 oleonard      pianohacker ^
19:01 pianohacker   hmm
19:14 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
19:14 bag           greetings mtj
19:14 bag           mtompset:
19:14 bag           silly autocorrect
19:14 mtompset      :)
19:15 mtompset      You wouldn't happen to know how to find the first time I actually said something on this IRC channel, would you?
19:15 * cait        waves
19:15 mtompset      Greetings, bag cait :)
19:15 bag           hi cait
19:16 oleonard      mtompset: I'm pretty sure there is a break in the logs somewhere... oftc switch maybe? rangi would know.
19:16 pianohacker   oleonard: what was that you posted? A screenshot after some firebug monkeying?
19:17 oleonard      pianohacker: Testing some template changes
19:18 pianohacker   oleonard: I'm not sure I see the use case immediately but it seems like a reasonable idea
19:32 oleonard      Is Bug 13871 languishing because of the difficulty in QA'ing it?
19:32 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13871 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Signed Off , OverDrive message when user authentication fails
19:33 cait          yes
19:34 cait          sip patches are a big problem
19:34 oleonard      I can imagine.
19:35 drojf         it would be nice to have something to test that. but i have no idea how to do that
19:35 cait          i currently have practically no time :(
19:35 cait          it will hopefully be better in 2 weeks
19:35 cait          i hope to try agian to set up a test environment then
19:35 drojf         sip, ldap and shibboleth patches tend to lie around for a long time
19:36 cait          yeah :(
19:36 cait          not good at all
19:36 cait          any ideas are really welcome
19:36 drojf         ptfs could send someone to the hackfest to instruct us how to do it ;)
19:40 drojf         is rome and the koha meeting in leipzig at the same time?
19:41 cait          i think so
19:41 cait          not sure about the days, but it's the same week
19:42 drojf         15/16 is rome. i was asked about 14/15 for a meeting in leipzig so it must at least be close
19:43 cait          oh?
19:43 drojf         15. 11:30--12:30
19:43 drojf         some katrin posted it to koha-de ;)
19:43 cait          oh
19:44 cait          you confused me :)
19:44 drojf         hm?
19:44 drojf         i was asked by someone else, not about the koha thingy
19:44 drojf         but i think i prefer rome :P
19:44 cait          are you going? :)
19:45 drojf         i hope to. got to sort things out, but i think it could work
19:45 cait          a bit envious :)
19:45 drojf         could have been announced a little earlier…
19:46 cait          hm i had seen it a bit earlier elsewhere
19:46 drojf         lots of koha travelling this year
19:46 cait          :)
19:47 bag           bug 15809
19:47 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15809 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , versions of CGI < 4.08 do not have multi_param
20:02 mtj           hey #koha
20:04 mtj           Joubu 💓 thanks for sorting bug 15840,
20:04 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15840 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Import borrowers tool explodes if userid already exists
20:06 * mtj         gives cait a 🍪
20:06 cait          ?
20:06 cait          i don't see it :)
20:06 pianohacker   cait: you must be hungry
20:07 mtj           aah, really?  my emoji technique needs improving
20:07 pianohacker   cait: because right now you don't have enough bytes to display that character
20:08 cait          ?
20:08 * cait        is hungry for chocolate... but hasn't bought any
20:33 mtj           hmm, the emojis show in the irc log...  thats nice
20:33 mtj           http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/today
20:43 mtj           🚫... 🔨🕑
20:44 mtj           ..a 1st attempt at some emoji humor
20:51 kidclamp      hah mtj took me sec there
21:07 tcohen        hi
21:08 tcohen        has anyone experienced problems with the plugins (like MARC Lint) in 3.20?
21:08 wizzyrea      hi
21:08 wahanui       salut, wizzyrea
21:08 wizzyrea      hrm, I haven't tested a plugin in 3.20
21:08 wizzyrea      but I am going to be doing that very soon I think
21:08 wizzyrea      what kind of problem?
21:09 wizzyrea      plack related?
21:09 tcohen        nope
21:09 tcohen        it is just that it is uploaded, uncompressed, the files are there
21:09 tcohen        but Koha keeps saying No plugins installed
21:09 tcohen        weird
21:09 wizzyrea      are the permissions correct?
21:09 tcohen        yes
21:09 * tcohen      double checks
21:09 wizzyrea      on earlier plugins we had to have a scriptalias in our config
21:10 wizzyrea      to make it work
21:10 wizzyrea      something like (just a second)
21:10 wizzyrea      oh, a regular alias
21:11 wizzyrea      Alias /plugin/ "/var/lib/koha/library/plugins/"
21:11 tcohen        isn't that handled by the packageS?
21:11 wizzyrea      it's possible it is now
21:11 wizzyrea      it wasn't when we did this though
21:12 wizzyrea      3.16-ish
21:12 tcohen        nope
21:12 tcohen        it isn't.
21:12 tcohen        hmpf
21:12 wizzyrea      just trying to think of all the things we did to make plugins work :)
21:12 wizzyrea      bc I"m sure I've seen your issue before
21:13 wizzyrea      very frustrating.
21:18 kidclamp      tcohen is MARC:Lint installed?
21:19 kidclamp      last time a plugin refused to appear it was because I didn't have the necessary modules installed
21:19 tcohen        oh my
21:19 tcohen        :-D
21:20 tcohen        so our plugin system lacks those checks
21:20 kidclamp      well, it checks, it just doesnt tell you :-)
21:20 kidclamp      it just refuses to show the plugin
21:21 tcohen        :-P
21:21 kidclamp      💩
21:21 tcohen        ok, encoding issues
21:21 tcohen        and this plugin should definitely skip subfield 9 checks
21:22 tcohen        ok, thanks kidclamp and wizzyrea
21:22 kidclamp      np
21:22 wizzyrea      oh did you get it sorteD/
21:22 wizzyrea      ?
21:22 wizzyrea      was it the modules or the alias or both?
21:23 eythian       Hi
21:23 wahanui       bidet, eythian
21:23 wizzyrea      hi eythian
21:23 tcohen        wizzyrea: it was the module
21:23 eythian       That'll never get old
21:23 wizzyrea      hehehe
21:23 tcohen        libmarc-lint-perl
21:23 wizzyrea      sweet :)
21:31 pianohacker   @later tell aleisha Poke about bug 15531; I can't duplicate your test failures :)
21:31 huginn        pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
21:33 wizzyrea      I bet she's not setting her perl5lib in koha-shell
21:33 wizzyrea      or not using koha-shell
21:33 wizzyrea      i.e. she's testing against the installed package code instead of the git code.
21:34 wizzyrea      so naturally the tests would fail
21:34 wizzyrea      ^ common trap with devbox
21:34 pianohacker   wizzyrea: would that cause a test created by the bug to fail?
21:34 wizzyrea      yep
21:34 pianohacker   ah...
21:34 wizzyrea      we should teach devbox that we should use the /home/vagrant/kohaclone/ for the perl5lib
21:34 wizzyrea      always
21:38 wizzyrea      https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/88 < I filed a bug, I may get round to fixing it but it probably won't be soon.
21:38 pianohacker   wizzyrea: do you work with aleisha?
21:38 wizzyrea      I do
21:39 * pianohacker hands wizzyrea an intern-poking stick
21:39 wizzyrea      aleisha doesn't need poking. :)
21:39 pianohacker   @later tell aleisha wizzyrea thinks it's probably because your PERL5LIB isn't set to /home/vagrant/kohaclone
21:39 huginn        pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
21:40 wizzyrea      I could be wrong, but it's something that tripped me up a while back.
21:40 pianohacker   wizzyrea++
21:40 pianohacker   thanks much, just saw your bz comment as well
21:41 wizzyrea      devbox is great for getting going quickly
21:42 wizzyrea      it causes one to need to do some somersaults sometimes to do all the things that need doing.
21:43 wizzyrea      also currently it's probably better to devbox from my github instead of the origin one, because I've fixed some things that they haven't accepted yet.
21:43 wizzyrea      (userpermissions.sql not being imported when the web installer isn't run, for example)
21:44 pianohacker   My setup is kind of anti-devbox, though that's more out of stubborn habit than anything. I also don't like where Makefile.PL puts things
21:45 pianohacker   I'm so happy the barrier to Koha dev entry has been lowered so much, it used to be incredibly painful to get an environment set up
21:49 wizzyrea      yeah, gitify was a huge thing
21:50 wizzyrea      even just installing the package and gitifying it
21:50 wizzyrea      is so much better than the old way
21:50 wizzyrea      cjh, I miss that guy.
21:57 wizzyrea      eythian too, but at least I still get to talk to him now and again ^.^
22:26 cait          @later tell khall could you check changes to coding guidelines again?
22:26 huginn        cait: The operation succeeded.
22:32 drojf         good night #koha