Time Nick Message 23:52 mtompset AH... found the third one. 23:45 mtompset Nope. The manual does not help. 23:41 dcook Alas, that one is above my paygrade. Going to have to take it up with Indexdata 23:41 dcook Ikr 23:41 dcook hehe 23:41 pianohacker wish I were surprised by this bug 23:41 pianohacker yup, thanks for confirming 23:41 dcook Get my message? 23:41 wahanui regexes are AWESOME 23:41 dcook hey pianohacker 23:38 pianohacker hey dcook 23:33 dac bag++ 23:33 bag we’ve helped raise another $1005 today with matches :) 23:32 bag One of my favorite newish fundraising things Everylibrary https://votelibraries.nationbuilder.com/bywatermatching2016 23:25 wizzyrea it's part of Koha now. The addon itself isn't in Koha but the other bits are 23:24 * mtompset goes off to see if the manual clarifies this for him. 23:21 mtompset Manual... DUH! I should have tried to look for that. But I figured KOCT would not be documented in a Koha manual. 23:21 wizzyrea sleep well 23:21 cait going to sleep now :) bye all 23:20 cait i wrote a doc for our libraries not long ago, no problems with Firefox ESR that we use at work 23:20 cait the koct chapter in the manual was what i used for testing the plugin 23:18 * mtompset is still confused. 23:14 pianohacker I need to lie down for a bit first, this has been too long of a day 23:14 wizzyrea or 120 23:14 wizzyrea you have a minute for that? 23:14 wizzyrea yeah. 23:13 pianohacker oh god. 23:12 wizzyrea :) 23:12 wizzyrea check your mail 23:12 pianohacker jweaver@bywatersolutions.com 23:12 wizzyrea what email do you use for bugzilla? 23:12 cait sec 23:11 pianohacker nope. 23:11 pianohacker oh, wow, okay 23:11 wizzyrea can you see that? 23:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15760 is not accessible. 23:11 pianohacker bug 15760 23:11 cait a security issue, not a rename of a link - i can do that sometime :) 23:11 pianohacker oh 23:11 pianohacker oh 23:11 wizzyrea 15760 23:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14464 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Add ability to cancel waiting holds from checkin screen 23:11 pianohacker bug 14464? 23:11 pianohacker ? 23:11 pianohacker but I can't fix it right now. Way too many things ahead of it 23:10 cait nope 23:10 wizzyrea pianohacker: I don't think we are talking about the same thing 23:10 cait ? 23:10 mtompset okay, so it's just an API. 23:10 pianohacker cait: As the person who originally wrote it, I agree that the wording is confusing 23:10 wizzyrea you don't 23:10 mtompset how do I get to it? 23:10 cait and you said yes? :) 23:09 pianohacker cait: yeah, wiz asked me about me 23:09 cait mtompset: it's html5 based 23:09 wizzyrea 15760 23:09 cait no not cool wahanui 23:09 mtompset in koha? 23:09 cait it needs to be fixed urgently 23:09 wahanui yep that one is pretty cool actually 23:09 cait yep that one 23:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15670 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Rename "Cancel" to "Cancel hold" when checking in a waiting item 23:09 pianohacker cait: bug 15670? 23:09 cait mtompset: there is also an html5 version in koha 23:08 cait but about to upload it 23:08 * cait is working on homework! 23:08 * wizzyrea looks meaningfully at cait 23:08 wizzyrea well sometimes people keep weird hours! 23:08 cait pianohacker: are you up to taking a look at a sec problem? 23:08 cait wizzyrea: it's after midnight :) 23:06 wizzyrea joubu about? 23:00 mtompset and the firefox plugin. 23:00 mtompset I just thought there was a desktop version (the windoze exe) 22:59 mtompset there's a 3rd version?! 22:58 pianohacker mtompset: is this the executable, plugin, or in-browser version? 22:58 mtompset Have you ever used it, pianohacker? 22:58 mtompset KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool 22:57 mtompset I would like to try to figure out why. 22:57 mtompset I still don't have it working fully. 22:57 mtompset pianohacker: I had an inappropriate outburst of frustration over attempting to configure and get the KOCT working. 22:56 pianohacker ? 22:56 mtompset Greetings and apologies, #koha. :( 22:13 cait back 22:04 drojf good night #koha 21:57 cait i think the installations might differ to - they can configure quite a lot 21:56 drojf i used it for somebody else (just in a test installation) 21:56 drojf now that i know that… i won't. but who would expect that? 21:56 cait don't use the marcxml? :) 21:55 drojf and they differ in the way i just said. fields are mixed up, lost etc 21:54 drojf i asked a library for marcxml. they send me some samples and said they are incomplete, so they also send .mrc 21:54 cait ? 21:54 drojf really weird 21:54 drojf the 900 fields become 090 and half of them is lost, 650 gets 600 and probably more 21:53 drojf good choice 21:53 cait hm we didn't use that 21:53 drojf aaah. ok. did you see the marcxml output? it's ridiculously broken 21:51 cait your question about allegro :) 21:20 drojf hi cait. what was the @later about? 21:17 wizzyrea hi cait 21:09 * cait waves 20:42 oleonard So anyway, bye. 20:20 wizzyrea hi drojf 20:20 drojf hi wizzyrea 20:14 wizzyrea hello! 20:13 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 20:12 wizzyrea that conversation, well done. 20:04 drojf exactly 20:04 oleonard Security by absurdity. 20:02 drojf there you have it. changed the page to my nickname and added a pet lion and alligators to my profile 20:01 oleonard We are inconsistent. 20:01 oleonard "If you delete this fund, all orders linked to this fund will be deleted!" Or maybe tell me if there are any orders linked to this fund? 19:56 drojf heh that chance is rather small 19:56 oleonard It will not be funny when the other drojf gets the Nobel Prize for software development. 19:55 drojf he got the drojf twitter and openhub accounts 19:54 drojf that will be very funny when they break into his house while i am in greece 19:54 oleonard Oh no your brand is being diluted 19:53 drojf i accidentally discovered there is another drojf and he is doing some kind of dev work 19:51 drojf or get a pet lion 19:51 drojf but now i am scared and have to delete the page. or use a nickname that you have to google first 19:49 drojf lol 19:48 * oleonard pictures drojf at the conference wearing lavish jewelry 19:48 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 19:48 drojf @later tell cait i have no idea what that "ja" was about :) 19:47 drojf i will have all valuable stuff with me. please leave something nice ;) 19:46 * oleonard burgles drojf 's house while he's gone 19:45 drojf that is probably the most postprivacyish thing i have ever done 19:43 drojf it's on. https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon_2016:_Who_is_arriving_when 19:39 nengard :) 19:39 oleonard Thanks nengard 19:39 nengard oleonard he's on a call right now 19:37 eythian And I think leaving things inconsistent is far from correct. 19:36 eythian Most correct should win out. 19:36 oleonard Should there be a difference? 19:36 oleonard For comparison: Koha stops you altogether from deleting an item type which is in use. 19:35 oleonard Hm... Koha will warn you before you delete a frameworkcode which is in use but won't stop you. And it leaves the frameworkcode in existing biblios. That doesn't seem right. 19:32 oleonard Can you search by frameworkcode? 19:17 oleonard khall around? 18:02 bag later Joubu 18:01 Joubu a 18:01 Joubu see you #koh 17:51 oleonard Never mind about my checkouts problem, it was bad data. 17:49 bora cos we didn't install send mail or postfix yet 17:48 bora do its work 17:47 cait bye all - bbl 17:47 Joubu so this wiki page 17:47 Joubu bora: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian 17:47 bora with Debian os 17:46 Joubu bora: following a tuto? a wiki page? 17:46 wahanui package install is probably easy, if you do it on a supported os 17:46 bora package install 17:46 oleonard cait: I think I may have some bad data. I'm looking further. 17:45 Joubu bora: how did you install it? 17:45 cait oh, was just looking at oleonard's screenshot 17:45 cait hm what's the title? maybe something with "' or similar? 17:45 bora 3.22 17:44 Joubu bora: how did you install Koha? Which version are you using? 17:43 bora can u direct me to postfix for koha 17:42 Joubu bora: you can configure sendmail or postfix, using one of the numerous tuto on the Internet. 17:33 bora I am looking for how to setup mail server for koha send overdue 17:32 bora it's would not work cos my server didn't install mail server yet 17:31 bora those is an option fo 17:30 bora ok 17:30 Joubu 3.1.5 is 20 lines long 17:30 bora and I can't find configure 17:30 Joubu oleonard: does it work on 3.22? 17:29 bora so long 17:28 Joubu http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/master/en/html-desktop/#noticetriggers 17:28 Joubu Did you read the doc? 17:28 Joubu Hi bora 17:26 bora help pls ? 17:26 bora but don't know how 17:26 bora I want to configure send email alert for overdue 17:26 bora anyone can help 17:25 bora hi 17:24 oleonard Screenshot: http://zivotdesign.com/p/uploads/big/a4553d4833ea3991639e5e7493f1451b.png 17:22 kidclamp thanks 17:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15730 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , 500 error on returns.pl if barcode doesn't exist 17:22 Joubu bug 15730 17:21 kidclamp ah, missed that one, thanks 17:21 oleonard kidclamp: Yes there is a bug for that 17:21 kidclamp anyone else get a 500 error for checking in a barcode that doesn't exist though? 17:20 kidclamp me too oleonard 17:19 Joubu oleonard: looks ok for me on circ and moremember 17:18 oleonard anyone else having problems with it? 17:18 oleonard My checkout page in master is really broken. "null undefined undefined undefined undefined" in the list of checkouts. 17:16 kidclamp wahanui is a bot bigbrovar 17:16 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 17:16 cait @later tell drojf ja 17:16 cait oleonard++ 17:12 * drojf heads home 17:12 drojf i don't think so. but i have been working for 10 hours, so don't trust me :P 17:11 wahanui i don't know, bigbrovar 17:11 bigbrovar wahanui: you don't think that would work? 17:10 bigbrovar drojf: Thanks that is exactly what I intend to do. I guess I might have to also make some changes to the koha config 17:09 wahanui drojf: that doesn't look right 17:09 drojf bigbrovar: change the apache config like you would for any other website. you can't use the same port for both though 17:06 bigbrovar I would like something like 192.168.0.1:8181 for opac and 92.168.0.1:8181 staff client 17:06 bigbrovar Hi guys. I am trying to setup koha in an environment with with no working dns server. (tried setting up one with bind, powerdns and dnsmasq but no show with jessie) I resolved to install and allow it to be accessed via ip (for now) than wait for a working dns server. anyone knows how I can do this? 16:58 Joubu yes, I was not disagreeing with that :) 16:58 oleonard Joubu: Using a tool like I propose would at least get rid of the varying methods. 16:58 Joubu oleonard: does it make any sense? 16:57 Joubu it's confusing, especially when QAing, because you never know if the patch is ok or not 16:57 Joubu depending on the methods (actually the version), the compiled file won't be the same 16:57 Joubu oleonard: on the wiki page, there are different ways to regenerate the compiled files 16:56 Joubu oleonard: I was trying to remember where I had this discussion, but can't 16:56 oleonard Joubu: Could you explain what you mean? 16:52 Joubu Actually it does not help developers, there are several methods to generate the compiled file and it is always in conflict 16:36 pianohacker there could even be a git hook that rebuilt the files 16:36 pianohacker an initial build could be integrated into kohadevbox / Makefile.PL / however the cool kids work on Koha these days 16:36 bag morning 16:34 pianohacker :/ that simplifies front-end development but is a little unpleasant from a repo cleanliness perspective 16:33 oleonard ...unless we continue to keep compiled files in git, which we currently do for the OPAC 16:32 pianohacker I'd probably go with Jake; I really like broccoli myself, but it's a bit too out there for koha 16:32 pianohacker gulp seems a bit more straightforward, but the packaging issue is a killer. 16:31 oleonard pianohacker: Do you have an opinion about which, or a third option? 16:25 pianohacker heh. It's something I've wanted for a while 16:22 oleonard Thanks for chiming in on the Grunt/Gulp discussion pianohacker. The sound of crickets was starting to get to me. 16:18 oleonard That looks like it works cait, thanks! 16:16 reiveune bye 16:14 cait oleonard: ?idx=kw&q=der&op=not&idx=itype&q=NORMAL&op=and&do=Search (keyword = der not itype = NORMAL 16:11 cait using the 'expert search' somethe=true not itype...? 16:10 cait e 16:10 cait hm maybe if you don't use limit... but not totally suer 16:07 kidclamp not that I know of 16:02 oleonard Can I negate that itype instead? 16:02 oleonard For instance, a search limited to itype:DNLD -- search.pl?idx=kw&q=blue&limit=itype:DNLD 16:02 oleonard Is it possible to modify a search to exclude a specific item type? 15:42 kidclamp bye tcohen 15:42 tcohen slowly getting back :-D 15:42 tcohen later #koha 15:39 tcohen not 1.4.2 15:39 tcohen but the current one on the repo is 1.7.5 15:39 tcohen on #elasticsearch someone answered he would stick with 1.x 15:37 tcohen no point dealing with un-tarring anything :-P 15:37 tcohen I will install all of them with cpanm, 15:36 Joubu should be 15:36 tcohen all of them? 15:36 tcohen there's .debs and a tar.gz with .debs inside 15:35 wahanui which is a different bucket of crazy 15:35 tcohen which? 15:35 tcohen http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/otherthings/ 15:35 Joubu yep 15:35 tcohen perl deps 15:35 tcohen Joubu: and the deps 15:35 Joubu tcohen: you need java + elasticsearch entry in koha_conf + rebuild 15:35 kidclamp tcohen++ 15:34 tcohen kidclamp: ^^ 15:33 tcohen http://snag.gy/V00yi.jpg 15:32 kidclamp I think I did have to restart, but it may not be necessary 15:32 kidclamp everything went smooth 15:32 kidclamp hm..just remember to install java :-) 15:32 tcohen let me know so we automate it 15:32 tcohen if you remember any difficult step you made 15:31 kidclamp worth it 15:31 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, kidclamp 15:31 kidclamp awesome! 15:31 tcohen I'm pushing a patch that installs ES on kohadevbox 15:31 tcohen thanks kidclamp 15:30 kidclamp tcohen^ 15:30 kidclamp 1.4.2 15:27 kidclamp erm, one sec 15:27 tcohen which ES version? 15:27 kidclamp indeed 15:27 tcohen you mentioned you managed to run the ES branch on kohadevbox? 15:27 kidclamp tcohen ping 15:25 drojf tcohen: i can't find that information. but from the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elasticsearch it has been rather short for older versions 15:09 tcohen awesome :-D 15:07 Joubu tcohen: no idea 15:07 tcohen Joubu: what is the lifecycle of ES? 14:55 Joubu I am using 1.4.2 14:55 Joubu I have not tested with v2 14:53 tcohen to install ES 14:53 tcohen I ask because I'm adding a task on kohadevbox playbook 14:53 tcohen Joubu: would ES 2.2 work? or do we need to stick to 1.x for now? 14:53 tcohen i think instance name would be enough to separate namespaces between index domains, at least 14:52 Joubu But if it's on the same machine, it won't work 14:52 Joubu you can limit the access to the index to an ip range (I guess) 14:52 Joubu tcohen: there is no auth layer atm 14:51 Joubu tcohen: there is not auth layer atm 14:43 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 14:43 tcohen @later tell kidclamp ping me when u r online 14:26 tcohen is there any authentication layer being planned on the ES integration? I guess for multi-site deploys, we should be careful about it if we are running a single ES for all 14:24 tcohen any Koha<->ES guru? 14:16 Joubu yes, me too. I am trying to get some benchmarks to share 14:15 khall I wonder if there is a way to only trigger the auto escape when the var is actually used 14:15 drojf yes, i understood. i was just surprised by the number 14:15 khall I'm guessing only a fraction of those vars are actually displayed 14:15 Joubu drojf: 60.000? 14:14 Joubu after a quick test done on the mainpage, I have displayed 10k var and the load of the page is 10s instead of 2s without the patchset 14:14 drojf 60k? 14:13 Joubu it's quite quick, but on some page we have 60k (!!!) vars displayed 14:13 Joubu For each TT var displayed in the template, there is a call to Template::Stash::AutoEscaping->get 14:11 wahanui i guess the bottleneck is worse at QA, thanks to the reduced number of QAers, but only barely. 14:11 khall Joubu: do you know where the bottleneck is? 14:10 khall ack! 14:10 Joubu khall: the perf are terrible :-( 14:09 wahanui https://i.imgur.com/sguSwlh.jpg 14:09 khall Joubu: what's the problem? 14:08 khall Joubu: I'll pass that on to bag 14:08 Joubu bag, khall: please do not push anything today, we may have to revert 13618 13:24 cait hi oleonard .) 13:22 oleonard Hi #koha 13:13 cait morning tcohen 13:05 tcohen morning 12:58 kivilahtio jajm: I supplied a new version of the example structure and a better validating Swagger minifier 12:50 cait :( 12:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 12:50 Joubu I have a very bad news about bug 13618, but I will investigate a bit to know how bad it is... 12:50 Joubu ho yeah, a *%£# outch 12:49 cait hey Joubu - ouch ? 12:46 Joubu outch 12:35 * magnuse waves too 12:32 * cait waves 11:11 * drojf leaves for lunch 10:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm 10:50 * cait dives into bug 2500 10:50 cait thx! 10:49 drojf changed in 3.20 and 3.22 10:48 drojf much better than the other and i don't have an alternative. so yes :) 10:48 cait if you agree :) 10:48 cait for other places i am not sure 10:48 cait from the translation 10:48 drojf but i am not looking into that now. so i'll make it behördenbibliothek? 10:48 cait hm it hink when it's in marc i copied it over 10:47 drojf behörden-. we have regierungs- in other places 10:47 cait hm? 10:47 drojf in a lot of places 10:47 drojf i would prefer that 10:47 drojf but we also have regierungsagentur 10:47 cait behördenbibliothek 10:47 cait oh 10:47 cait hm what is it - government something? 10:46 drojf what do we call it? Regierungsbibliothek sounds odd 10:46 drojf an no it's just the bad user interface 10:43 cait did you check the pref file directly? 10:43 cait hm maybe only in one version 10:43 drojf don't find it in pootle 10:40 drojf i will close the bug and have a look 10:39 cait are you fixing that right now? 10:39 cait seldomly used 10:39 cait i think for things like adding new languages maybe? 10:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15744 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , GlobalSys: UsageStatsLibraryType German Text 2x "Firmenbibliothek" 10:37 drojf what is the translate.k-c.org component in the bugtracker for? it's not really for translation issues, is it? (looking at bug 15744) 10:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15782 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Paging on comments moderation broken 10:36 cait I have a bug filing day... and sometimes you really wonder why things haven't been noticed before - bug 15782 - paging only moves you by one comment entry, not by a page... 10:35 cait hm no oleonard 10:28 cait :) 10:26 rainman Woohoo! Success. Thanks so much for your help. You are scholars and gentlepersons, and have had a hand in getting a school library system sorted... 10:21 rainman I've tried to mark the field as repeatable, looks better in the mrk file. I'll just import these and see how we go. Stand by...:) 10:20 cait i think instead of concatenating i woudl just add them in separate 020 entries - valid and easy i guess 10:19 cait heh 10:18 rainman I'm heavily in "wing it mode". The scary bit is this is starting too make a teeny amount of sense... 10:17 rainman Me neither mate :) 10:16 drojf i don't know marcedit though 10:16 drojf rainman: field 020 is repeatable, you could have one for 10 and one for 13 10:13 rainman One (semi-related) quick question: where I have an ISBN13 and and ISBN10, joining the fields in marcedit seems to just concat the ISBNs together rather than show them as separate things. I can rig up the spreadsheet to pick the 13 if I have it, and the 10 if not, but is there a better way that will retain both? 10:11 rainman Oops yes, small o. Thanks, I'll bung in the others as you suggest. I seem to have a zebraidx issue with duplpicates from a previous run. May just start afresh and delete everything/init the index, and see how I get on with the other fields as well. 10:09 cait hm and you probably want to include a y - itemtype 10:09 cait a and b should both be set to the same branchcode probably 10:09 cait also include a b 10:09 cait ah, small o? 10:08 rainman I've got a p, c, and O subfield on the 952, and the location tags I've used are case-consistent. 10:06 cait item 10:06 cait also you need to have one 952 per item with all the subfields that belong to that 10:06 cait but barcodes seems a bit strange... 10:06 cait hm location codes are case sensitive, so that could be a common problem 10:05 rainman I take it all back, it seems the last batch I tried has imported with all of the data (maybe, still checking) right. Must be your godly presences. 10:04 cait :) 10:03 drojf cait++ 10:03 drojf with audio alerts diabled its gone 10:03 drojf ha 10:02 drojf giving me the file name of the one i just open but a line number that is larger than the file. some include-stuff maybe? 10:02 cait hm could it be the audio alerts bug? 10:02 drojf cait: staff client, every page 10:02 cait hm and have no master... only 3.20.2 10:01 wahanui somebody said which page was wrong? 10:01 cait drojf: which page? 10:01 rainman Thanks. I've got the general idea, and am using marcedit. Have figured out how to join fields so I don't get duplicate items, and it seems like my ibiblios and items are being created 1:1. Only issue is the location and barcode etc are not being picked up on the item edit screen, which somewhat hampers circulation... 09:59 drojf anyone else getting "SyntaxError: JSON.parse: expected property name or '}' at line 1 column 3 of the JSON data" in master? (in firebug) 09:59 cait rainman: probably not in detail - I have no experience importing from excel - but usually marcedit is one of the tools recommended to do that 09:58 cait no easy questions today it seems :) 09:48 cait yeah... tending that way too 09:39 drojf i would try to get rid of them if possible 09:38 drojf cait: oh now i get it. you don't mean indicating the number of letters but actual signs. sorry, i misunderstood 09:37 rainman Evening all, does anyone have the time and expertise to help me resolve an issue with importing biblios and items from Excel? 09:32 cait strange characters showing up in zotero and the like 09:27 drojf what exactly are you worried about? 09:25 cait and export 09:25 cait more worried about display 09:24 drojf oh it's in the english file too, just did not see it 09:23 drojf eg in /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/fr/sort-string-utf.chr 09:19 drojf AFAIK zebra takes care of that (as Joubu said), but we redundantly have ignored articles in the zebra config 09:18 drojf ah yes it is nonfiling in marc21 specs 09:18 cait non-filing i think is the same 09:17 drojf is that the same as non-filing characters, or i that something else? it appears to be what i thought non-filing characters are, but maybe i have misunderstood that all my life ;) 09:14 cait seems non-sorting characters in marc21 exist since 2013? 09:14 cait not as a character.. although the options seems to exist too 09:14 cait i think in marc21 usually it's coded into the indicators 09:14 Joubu and we have a method to handle them from a DT table, but not widely used neither 09:14 cait unimarc might be different than marc21 09:13 cait maybe we just need to try and see 09:13 Joubu I think they are correctly taken into account by zebra 09:12 cait 240,245,246... 09:12 cait mostly 09:12 cait in ...title fields 09:12 wahanui they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :) 09:12 Joubu where are they? 09:11 cait what woudl you recommend? get rid of them in the data? 09:11 cait *sighs* 09:10 Joubu hum, it does not seem to be widely used 09:10 Joubu C4::Charset::nsb_clean() 09:09 Joubu cait: I'd say, it depends. We have a sub somewhere to handle (remove) them on display 09:09 cait hi LibraryClaire 09:09 wahanui hola, LibraryClaire 09:09 LibraryClaire hello 09:07 cait https://www.loc.gov/marc/nonsorting.html 09:07 cait Joubu: i just have a library asking how it works - but the question how to change it is probably next :) 09:07 cait hm another question... non-sorting characters... does koha hate /like them? 09:07 Joubu Is there a bug report opened? 09:07 Joubu I have no idea! :) 09:06 cait ... but he has seen it all... probably not posible 09:06 * cait tries to scare Joubu 09:06 cait Joubu: so how do callnumbers get broken on multiple lines? heh 09:04 Joubu drojf: It's not as scary as it looks ;) 08:59 drojf yeah i had several that are interested in it. don't want to start looking into it before they decide on getting support :P 08:54 cait ... have a library asking... so too late for me to hide :) 08:54 drojf i still avoid all printing stuff in koha. but i'm afraid i will need it soon 08:53 cait are they using the rules from the classsortrules/classification source? 08:53 * cait tries to find out how breaking of callnumbers on the labels work 08:42 drojf 2017 will be the 10th kohacon. that would deserve a special nz event too ;) 08:41 magnuse nz in 2020 would be awesome 08:39 cait you will see, time flies :) 08:39 drojf 2020. thats ages away 08:39 cait ? 08:38 drojf noo too late 08:38 cait 2020 i guess :) 08:38 cait ah... and sonish too 08:38 drojf *is 08:37 drojf now that i know it's ~750€ to get there from here. that i way less than i expected 08:36 drojf :P 08:36 drojf so i can go there too 08:36 drojf looks like we missed that. but nz should do another kohacon 08:36 drojf from the wiki (Koha_Conference_Bidding): "Rule the First: New Zealand ought hold right of first refusal for Conferences falling during Anniversary years (10th, 15th, 25th, et cetera). " 08:35 drojf hi cait 08:35 drojf i feel like a spammer already. but maybe i will :D 08:33 cait drojf: you shoudl send that to the nzers :) 08:30 magnuse yeah, booking flights is weird 08:20 drojf but from australia it's kind of the same going to berlin or directly to thessaloniki. flight prices are weird 08:18 Joubu morning drojf 08:18 drojf morning Joubu 08:18 Joubu o/ 08:17 drojf seems to be cheaper from US too, but only a little 08:15 drojf (cheapest connections i found. you can easily pay >7000€ from wellington to thessaloniki, wtf) 08:14 drojf it looks like coming from NZ to greece and not going to berlin would be a really bad idea :P 08:13 drojf Wellington - Brisbane - Abu Dhabi - Berlin; 23 May 15:00 --> 24 May 13:40 [32:40h]; 755€ 08:13 drojf Wellington - Melbourne - London - Thessaloniki; 27 May 17:00 --> 29 may 13:20 [53:20h]; 1700€ 08:13 drojf look what i found 08:12 drojf hei magnuse 08:12 * magnuse forgot to wave earlier, waves now 07:56 wahanui hola, alex_a 07:56 alex_a bonjour 07:56 wahanui privet, reiveune 07:56 reiveune hello 07:48 lds hello 07:27 cait bbiab 07:27 cait morning #koha 07:17 drojf morning again ;) 05:03 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), wizzyrea ibeardslee dac bshum kmlussier #koha 05:02 mtompset Greetings, d - Oh. Missed him. :( 04:46 drojf morning #koha 04:14 mtompset "Yes Dear" +1 03:06 wizzyrea sure 03:06 wizzyrea hehe 02:50 ibeardslee call it the "Yes Dear" module? 02:49 wizzyrea i.e. 'yes, I heard you, now be quiet." 02:49 wizzyrea I think we should just be able to quiet messages like that 02:48 wizzyrea and so turned off the job. 02:48 wizzyrea they have to hassle the sysadmin, who was annoyed by the messages 02:48 wizzyrea what if then someday someone turns it on on a whim, and wonders why it's not working? 02:47 wizzyrea but 02:47 wizzyrea that's easy enough 02:47 wizzyrea of course you can disable the job entirely 02:47 wizzyrea what if you are a library who doesn't have that on, will never have that on 02:47 wizzyrea "you do not have the enhanced messaging preference turned on" 02:47 wizzyrea I'm thinking of advanced notices, for example 02:47 wizzyrea hm, what do you all think about options for the cronjobs to quiet any non-function-related messages from the cronjobs 01:18 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 00:22 dcook DateTime version 1 required--this is only version 0.61 at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/DateTime/Format/Builder.pm line 11. 00:22 dcook DateTime version 1 required--this is only version 0.61 at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/DateTime/Format/Strptime.pm line 8. 00:21 dcook Heres's the error on Squeeze: 00:21 dcook DateTime::TimeZone 1.58 1.20 Yes 00:21 dcook DateTime::Set 0.31 0.28 Yes 00:21 dcook DateTime::Format::MySQL 0.04 0.04 Yes 00:21 dcook DateTime::Format::ICal 0.09 0.09 Yes 00:21 dcook DateTime::Event::ICal 0.10 0.08 Yes 00:21 dcook DateTime 0.75 0.58 Yes 00:21 dcook So this is a wheezy system I have: 00:21 dcook Wth.. 00:20 dcook I'm still curious as to how DateTime::Format::MySQL could be functional on Debian Wheezy though 00:20 dcook I'm not even going to go into all the Windows XP systems I see in the wild which are could end so badly.. 00:20 dcook That one is extra scary I think 00:20 dcook Almost without a doubt 00:20 wizzyrea it's not supported either 00:19 wizzyrea These same people are probably still running windows XP 00:19 dcook Totally not good enough 00:19 dcook I totally agree though 00:19 dcook Tell that to most of the world :p 00:19 wizzyrea "sort of" isn't good enough for a production system 00:19 dcook Because so many people were/are using it 00:19 dcook It's sort of LTS for Debian 00:19 wizzyrea squeeze isn't supported anymore that I know of 00:18 dcook How many people in Squeeze will have auto-upgrades that break their system? 00:18 wizzyrea for them to be modern. 00:18 wizzyrea you do have to upgrade them 00:18 dcook I was thinking about that this morning though.. 00:18 dcook I suppose all our non-Debian systems are much more modern which is why they do work 00:18 dcook Yeah, I suppose 00:18 wizzyrea it's not supported, full stop. 00:17 wizzyrea of course you do! 00:17 dcook We don't all have that option :p 00:17 wizzyrea "it's not supported" is the only answer they need 00:17 dcook I'm seeing how far I can get, so that I can tell them why it's not going to work 00:16 wizzyrea this way lies madness 00:16 wahanui http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-abandon-thread-avoid-do-not-want-no-nope-Nopetopus-octopus-run-away-GIF.gif 00:16 wizzyrea nopetopus 00:16 wizzyrea they're making you make it work on squeeze aren't they 00:16 dcook Did the Koha community package that.. 00:16 dcook So DateTime::Format::MySQL requires DateTime 1 but DateTime 1 is only in Jessie? 00:16 wizzyrea ^ that's the most perfect weather ever. 00:16 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (1:00 PM NZDT on February 10, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 00:15 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 00:15 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:15 dcook Interesting...