Time Nick Message 00:27 * Francesca waves 00:45 wizzyrea hi Francesca 00:46 Francesca earthquake! 00:46 wahanui earthquake is on the news 00:46 Francesca in nelson anyway 00:46 wizzyrea we felt it here 00:46 wizzyrea like jelly on a plate 00:46 Francesca ya 00:46 Francesca alex is here too 00:47 wizzyrea true 00:47 Francesca back at work then? 00:48 wizzyrea yes! finally! 00:48 Francesca yay! 00:48 Francesca hehehe stuff app: breaking news alert strong eq hits south island! 00:48 Francesca 5 mins after said eq had been noticed 00:53 Francesca @wunder nelson 00:53 huginn Francesca: Error: No such location could be found. 00:53 Francesca @wunder nelson, new zealand 00:53 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Richmond Avenue Extn, Nelson, New Zealand is 27.1°C (1:49 PM NZDT on February 09, 2016). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa (Falling). 00:53 Francesca @wunder wlg 00:53 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 23.0°C (1:30 PM NZDT on February 09, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling). 00:58 Francesca wizzyrea: just filled out a felt report for geo net and borrowed your description 00:58 Francesca to me the earthquake is now known as jelly on a plate quake 00:58 wizzyrea haha 00:59 Francesca the room didnt even shake it just kinda went wibble wobble 01:00 Francesca so jelly on a plate quake seems quite suitable 06:53 * magnuse waves 07:24 magnuse @wunder boo 07:24 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (7:50 AM CET on February 09, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 28.77 in 974 hPa (Steady). 07:49 reiveune hello 07:52 alex_a bonjour 07:53 magnuse bonjour france 08:12 lds hello 08:12 wahanui que tal, lds 08:20 magnuse kia ora cait 08:31 Joubu hi 08:31 wahanui niihau, Joubu 08:50 drojf morning #koha 09:07 magnuse moin drojf 09:10 drojf hei magnuse 09:11 drojf just got an OK for the catmandu workshop at the berlin hackfest 09:11 magnuse yay! 09:12 drojf he wanted to do it at kohacon but it's too close to ELAG 09:14 cait very cool :) 09:14 cait time to advertise on hte mailing list? :) 09:14 drojf yes, updating the wiki before 10:24 drojf done. https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackfest_2016 11:57 magnuse drojf++ 12:05 drojf i'd like to have some kind of rules for announcing events on the main list 12:06 drojf maybe i am the only one who thinks its annoying to get 5 emails for one event within a single month 12:20 drojf i added "Rules for announcements to the main mailing list " to the agenda of next meeting to find out 12:20 cait I agree, it's a bit much - but not sure we shoudl add another rule 12:20 tcohen bonjour 12:20 wahanui bonjour, tcohen 12:20 cait stll fighting with getting the things from last dev meeting in place :) 12:20 * magnuse needs to catch up on the lists - again 12:22 cait drojf: see it positive.... the event is next week :) 12:24 drojf that means another email 12:24 drojf :P 12:24 drojf and it is an example to others to do the same 12:24 drojf which i would really not like 12:24 drojf the more people do it that way, the more others feel theyx have to do it too, or their own stuff gets buried 12:28 cait hm dt-bks 12:28 cait i can't seem to find that in the index confiurations... but it works 12:30 cait oh mysteries of zebra... 12:30 * andreashm waves 12:30 cait hi andreashm :) 12:31 andreashm drojf: the berlin hackfest sounds awesome. 12:31 andreashm hi cait 12:31 drojf hi andreashm 12:31 * andreashm is even more depressed about missing KohaCon + the Berlin hackfest now. =( 12:31 drojf andreashm: you should come" 12:31 andreashm drojf: would love to, but can't. 12:31 * cait sends chocolates 12:31 cait the moveß 12:31 drojf that was not my intention :/ 12:31 cait ? 12:31 andreashm the timing of Kohacon is unfortunately about as bad as it could be for me. 12:32 andreashm thanks cait! =) 12:32 andreashm cait: I'll hold you to that! 12:32 magnuse my son has his 4th birthday on june 1st - i don't want to miss that 12:33 andreashm there's always Marseille! 12:33 magnuse yup! 12:33 andreashm I hope I can make that. 12:33 cait dt-bks = 8700 = ff7-00 = 007 ,ff7-00:w:range(data,0,1) = pos. 0? 12:33 andreashm (I'm flying back to Sweden from Switzerland May 30th, so I'll miss both events, if you're wondering why I'm complaining.) 12:34 magnuse i am considering going to berlin and missing thessaloniki 12:34 andreashm magnuse: we can sit and complain in irc during the con. =) 12:34 magnuse yeah, let's! 12:35 drojf magnuse: -1 for missing thessaloniki, but +1 for coming to berlin ;) 12:38 magnuse i am not sure yet - i might miss the conference part of thessaloniki, but catch the hackfest there 12:38 magnuse druthb! 12:38 wahanui druthb is probably an amazing person 12:38 drojf andreashm: greece is just a little detour on the way to sweden ;) 12:38 andreashm drojf: haha 12:39 cait andreashm: i think a third option shoudl work... a variation of the allowonshelfholds = no - but even stricter .) 12:39 drojf magnuse: berlin is a day longer :P 12:40 andreashm cait: holds logic makes my head hurt! =) 12:40 magnuse drojf: yup, that is great 12:40 cait andreashm: agreed 12:41 cait holds? 12:41 wahanui holds are made to sell more aspirin 12:41 cait holds? 12:41 wahanui holds are made to sell more aspirin 12:42 andreashm cait: the problem is if you sometimes want want to allow on shelf holds, but generally do not - and want to only allow holds to be filled by the holding library... preferably with holds only allowed when all items of _that library_ are checked out. gah. 12:42 magnuse hm, according to a mail on the list, i should be "able to become op" - anyone know how to do that? is there some incantation that needs to be uttered? 12:42 andreashm iä iä 12:43 drojf magnuse: oh yes i wanted to ask you about that. you did not know? :) 12:43 drojf magnuse: try /msg chanserv op #koha 12:43 drojf i think 12:45 drojf you may have to identify too. /msg nickserv identify yourpassword 12:45 cait i thik that with the holding library i would deal with separately 12:48 andreashm cait: that is what bug 15532 does. 12:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15532 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to allow only items whose home/holding branch matches the hold's pickup branch to fill a given hold 12:49 andreashm I'm just trying to think how they would work together. 12:53 andreashm cait: we will likely handle the issue locally... but would ideally like this to work for other libraries too. 12:55 cait i'd like that too 12:55 cait your use case soudns quite familiar :) 12:55 cait i haven't taken a look at the next patch yet 12:56 cait not sure when i can currently :( but read your other comments - it hink for the first part a third options should work, will have to see the other bits 12:59 magnuse whoo - thanks drojf 13:00 andreashm cait: ok, thanks 13:00 magnuse and yes, i had to identify first, which makes sense 13:01 drojf magnuse: irc clients do that on their own if you provide the info in your settings. i use pidgin which unfortunately sucks for irc 13:02 drojf but i don't want to have another client/messenger either 13:09 magnuse drojf: ah, i'll have a poke around (i use XChat) 13:18 magnuse hah, nailed it 14:00 magnuse talljoy! nengard! 14:01 Joubu Does anyone know what's the point of the C4::Koha::subfield_is_koha_internal_p subroutine? 14:01 Joubu if the subfield is not single character, it would be used by Koha internally? 14:02 talljoy hola magnuse 14:02 nengard morning 14:07 kidclamp I think that's the assumption joubu, if you have more than one character you are working with a koha field, not a marc field 14:21 Joubu kidclamp: What's a Koha field in this context? 14:21 kidclamp Beyond my memory now :-) 14:23 kidclamp ah, wait, at for items display 14:23 kidclamp it is things like onloan 14:23 kidclamp which you don't put into item fields editor 14:23 kidclamp everything else you refer to by marc code 14:24 kidclamp joubu 14:25 kidclamp I think when you edit items you actually pull the db into marc, do edits, then convert marc to db 14:25 Joubu kidclamp: yep but this subroutine seems to be only called on a subfield of a MARC::Record 14:26 kidclamp yup, as above 14:29 Joubu it seems to be a trick to skip "tab", "repeatable", "lib", etc. 14:29 Joubu Will look at that later :) 14:30 kidclamp good luck, I only have vague memories of saying "What?" a lot 14:32 andreashm kidclamp: converting back and forth to marc to edit items...? wow. 14:32 kidclamp don't quote me on that, but I know it gets odd 14:38 cait Joubu: hm i have read about it on a bug report somewhere - maybe check bugzilla 14:44 Joubu cait: I did, but have not found anything 15:10 cait Joubu: it's hiding 15:10 cait :) 15:10 cait git blame? heh :) 15:13 Joubu you don't want to know... 15:13 cait ah 15:13 cait ok 15:14 Joubu The subroutine has been added by commit b5ecefd485a75d54a5fa26fff5a0cc890541e2c3 Date: Mon Feb 3 18:46:00 2003 +0000 15:16 cait 2003 wpw 15:16 cait wow 15:16 cait ... but i didn't want to know! :) 15:17 cait hm can you search for commit id in the web repository? 15:18 Joubu cait: What do you mean? 15:18 cait git.koha-community.org 15:18 wahanui hmmm... git.koha-community.org is where the source code for Koha is kept. 15:19 Joubu cait: What do you want me to search for? 15:22 cait i was wondering if you can find the commit - because i don't have my git repo at hand :) 15:22 cait but that was just a random question, 15:25 Joubu http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=b5ecefd485a75d54a5fa26fff5a0cc890541e2c3 15:26 Joubu " Added function to check if a MARC subfield name is "koha-internal" (instead 15:26 Joubu of checking it for 'lib' and 'tag' everywhere); temporarily added to Koha.pm" 15:26 Joubu temporarily... 15:26 wahanui temporarily is for fines in days suspensions 15:27 cait hah 15:27 cait i can't imagine that being used... but who knows 15:36 kivilahtio jajm: I am having a lenghty discussion in the #swagger-channel in freenode.net, and there are complications :) 15:36 kivilahtio jajm: also what do you think if we used YAML instead? 15:36 kivilahtio jajm: we could put inline comments 15:37 kivilahtio jajm: and it would be a lot more easy to write. There are always some pesky trailing or missing punctuation 15:40 jajm kivilahtio, i'm not a big fan of YAML, but i don't like JSON neither, so I don't care :) 15:40 kivilahtio jajm: we are having issues with JSON 15:41 jajm but changing the format now means rewriting all pending patches 15:41 kivilahtio jajm: why is YAML not good? 15:41 kivilahtio jajm: you have to rewrite them anyway if we change the structure of the swager-files 15:41 kivilahtio it is better to make it right at once :) 15:42 jajm what are the issues with JSON ? 15:44 kivilahtio jajm: I would like to put inline comments to the swagger-files 15:45 kivilahtio jajm: I guess they might help with organizing the huge for example definition file 15:45 kivilahtio jajm: also there are a lot of issues with trailing puctation in javascript 15:45 kivilahtio jajm: there is always a point loose somewhere 15:46 kivilahtio jajm: I mean there are a lot of issues with trailing punctuation in json. Always too many or too few :) 15:46 kivilahtio jajm: that is more like an annoyance, but doubly so when merging git conflicts 15:46 kivilahtio that is annoying and takes time 15:46 jajm kivilahtio, you could have similar problems with YAML with the indentation 15:47 kivilahtio jajm: copypasting the code blocks 15:47 kivilahtio jajm: when moving code inside the same level of hierarchy, not so, there are issues with pucntuation in json however 15:48 kivilahtio jajm: intendation can be fixed with IDE indentation tools 15:48 kivilahtio jajm: but sometimes the intendation is hard to spot as well 15:48 kivilahtio jajm: even with json 15:49 kivilahtio jajm: I guess I can handle json if it feels like a chore 15:49 kivilahtio to refactor to yaml 15:49 jajm kivilahtio, as I said, I don't care much about the format, but I think the punctuation problem and the lack of comments are not enough to justify a change (swagger spec should be "self-descriptive", so you shouldn't need comments at all) 15:49 kivilahtio jajm: that is a fair point 15:50 kivilahtio jajm: I guess there needs to be deeper nesting with the swagger files then 15:56 kidclamp anyone know why GetNormalizedISBN uses 10 digit instead of 13? 15:56 cait i think i filed a bug... for that 15:57 cait I think it stems back from the time where the cover services didn't like isbn13 15:57 kidclamp hehe, but Novelist doesn't like 10 (or at least 10 ending in x 15:57 cait file a bug! :) 15:58 kidclamp and I thought all 10 could be 13, but not all 13 could be 10 15:58 cait as you can't convert all 13 to 10... that shoudl be another reason 15:58 cait yeah, my thought too 15:59 cait I have run into the same thing a whie ago 16:00 cait hm bug 9500 and bug 10192 16:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9500 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , GetNormalizedISBN only ever checks the first populated ISBN field 16:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10192 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add {ISBN13} as new parameter to OPACSearchForTitleIn 16:00 cait i think i was told we can#t change it as some providers only use 10 (might have changed) and then filed the 10192 as we wanted to do some customization with it 16:04 kidclamp well, opened one, so good to get inability to change on the record if so :-) 16:12 reiveune bye 17:17 Joubu bye #koha 17:38 Zirok Hello everyone, Koha can be used by anyone with basic computer knowledge or special knowledge is needed for someone to work with Koha? 17:47 eythian it can be used by anyone who can use a browser. Installation and setup requires a bit more work though. 17:48 eythian keep in mind it's typically set up by one person who knows how, for many other people to then access. 17:50 drojf and all the MARC stuff 17:50 drojf … 17:52 eythian you don't have to use that if you're on the opac end 17:53 drojf hm ok. i would not imagine a patron asking the question here, but if you read it that way :) 17:54 Zirok That means a tech man with programming knowledge is needed to setup koha correctly? Koha can't work in Windows OS it works only in Linux OS like debian? 17:57 drojf you can not run the server on windows 17:57 drojf but you can use koha on windows 18:03 Zirok So a second PC is needed to install Linux OS (Debian) this will be the server and another PC for the Koha installation? 18:22 ibeardslee Zirok: the server has the database and application code. the other PC just needs to run a web browser such as firefox. 18:22 ibeardslee there is no application you need to install onto the machine the library users and staff use 18:37 Zirok thank you ibeardslee, rojf and eythian for your answers. 20:12 pianohacker @later tell jajm I'm about to extend Koha::AdditionalField to baskets, and I have two questions: 1) should we think about making a unified admin page to avoid duplication of effort and 2) I notice that you use Koha::AdditionalField->all({tablename=>...}); isn't that a scaling issue? 20:12 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 20:21 jajm pianohacker, 1) yes, definitely, and 2) I'm not sure to see what could be an issue here, but I find Koha::AdditionalField not very easy to use, when I think about it, it would be simpler to manipulate additional fields through something like Koha::Object 20:22 cait hm wasn#t there a bug for orders already? 20:23 cait ah, i was thinking of bug 11844 20:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11844 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Additional fields for order lines 20:27 wizzyrea hi 20:27 cait hm... [Koha-bugs] [Bug 15768] New: koha-news.pl Deep Recursion ERROR ? mod_perl? 20:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15768 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-news.pl Deep Recursion ERROR 20:28 wizzyrea hm 20:29 wizzyrea no, the news woks fine, at least on master. 20:30 wizzyrea that seems like an apache config error to me. 20:31 wizzyrea maybe when it's inside a language? 20:32 cait i was confused by mod_perl actually... but i might be confusing it 20:33 wizzyrea there is some trickery with the news when you've got multiple languages installed 20:33 pianohacker jajm: my concern about 2) is: doesn't that fetch all the values of all the fields for all the records in that table? 20:34 jajm pianohacker, i think that fetch only the fields, not the values 20:40 cait pianohacker: no khall today? 20:41 pianohacker cait: he disappeared for a baby checkup 20:41 pianohacker jajm: ah, okay :) 20:42 pianohacker @later tell Joubu I asked wnickc to sign off on the tiny followup on bug 14658, as it could have been a QA followup. You comfortable QAing it? 20:42 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 20:42 pianohacker cait: why do you ask? 20:44 nuentoter hello people 20:44 HortLibrarian hey is it possible to connect to this channel on the mibbit irc client 20:44 nuentoter it shouldnt matter what client you use, if im not mistaken 20:45 cait pianohacker: left him a later to check the coding guideline changes :) 20:45 pianohacker ah kk 20:46 nuentoter question.. when importing records, a large amount of them imported with a random number of items attatched already. I have been working very hard at migrating and this is one of my last hurdles 20:46 pianohacker nuentoter: how are you importing these records? 20:46 nuentoter where is the item # stored in the marc record? there is nothing in the 952$t subfield, i believe thats where it would be 20:47 nuentoter yes i am importing i just finished up doing batch conversions today so they finally work(ish)! 20:47 cait nuentoter: you have a 952 for each item 20:48 nuentoter yup 20:48 cait $t is not very important 20:48 cait it's just a copy number if you have multiple to differentiate 20:48 pianohacker nuentoter: do you want these items, or no? 20:49 nuentoter we only have single copies of almost every book, but when importing it imports 138 records and 467 items, there should be 138 items 20:49 nuentoter im not sure where the discrepency is happening though 20:49 cait can yo ushare one of your records on paste? 20:50 cait and you really have only one 952 for each item? what does a count of 952 on your marc file give you? 20:52 nuentoter ah haa cait! i just opened to copy and paste and it never occured to me, there is 4 952 lines each with a single subfield rather than one 952 line with multiple subfields in it 20:52 nuentoter back to marcedit!! 20:52 cait hehe 20:52 cait yep :) 20:52 cait that woudl do it 20:56 nuentoter YAY one step closer to having koha online for our library! 21:16 eythian https://blog.kallisti.net.nz/2016/02/bijbels-museum/ <-- cait, another one 21:19 wizzyrea now that is an interesting museum 21:19 eythian it is 21:30 pianohacker does anybody know who maintains http://splitter.koha-community.org/ ? 21:30 pianohacker It seems out of date, and I'm wondering if that's because of the https conversion 21:33 cait hmmaybe 21:33 cait rangi i think, but he is still travelling 21:42 wizzyrea I thought that was joubu 21:43 wizzyrea but then again I don't know 21:54 cait eythian: what#s next? :) 21:55 cait wizzyrea: i tihnk rangi is hosting it - but not entirely sure 21:55 eythian Not sure, though I still have another to write up anyway. 22:01 cait eythian: oh, which one? 22:01 wahanui rumour has it which one is t 22:02 eythian Cromhout House, which you have to pass through for the Bijbel Museum anyway. 22:24 wizzyrea did you actually do them in alphabetical order? 22:25 wizzyrea walk through with blinders, then only look on the way out? 22:32 bag hola 22:35 dcook Quick question for folks... 22:35 dcook Can Koha 3.20 even run on Debian Squeeze anymore? 22:36 dcook @later tell pianohacker Yeah, I've seen that with ICU indexing. It's bizarre. I haven't followed up with Indexdata yet as to why that might be :/ 22:36 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 22:37 wizzyrea dcook: no 22:37 dcook That's what I thought 22:37 dcook On the plus side, that frees up my day 22:37 wizzyrea \o/ 22:37 dcook Well... 22:37 wizzyrea on the bad, it means you've got an OS upgrade to do :P 22:37 dcook Except that I'll probably be told to make it work 22:37 dcook I'm only application level support for this one :/ 22:37 wizzyrea well, upgrades from squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie are pretty painless 22:38 dcook Well, it's not exactly Squeeze 22:38 wizzyrea no, the answer is no. 22:38 dcook It's a Squeeze based distro 22:38 wizzyrea no, nope, and no. 22:38 dcook Hehe 22:38 * dcook is inclined to say that 22:38 wizzyrea nopetopus 22:38 wahanui http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-abandon-thread-avoid-do-not-want-no-nope-Nopetopus-octopus-run-away-GIF.gif 22:38 dcook I love that thing 22:38 dcook I do that around the house sometimes >_> 22:38 wizzyrea lol 23:15 * Francesca waves 23:16 * dcook waves too 23:16 Francesca hi dcook 23:16 dcook heya Francesca :) 23:17 Francesca hows it going? 23:17 dcook Oh, busy and interesting as always 23:17 dcook You? 23:17 wahanui You are welcome 23:17 Francesca I am hot 23:17 Francesca hanging out at my mums work on the last day of my holiday in nelson 23:17 dcook Where's she work? 23:18 Francesca WOW 23:18 dcook ? 23:18 Francesca (world of werable arts) 23:18 dcook Ah, I thought World of Warcraft 23:18 Francesca shes the new CEO 23:18 Francesca hahahahaha nope 23:18 Francesca dont think thats quite my mums style 23:20 Francesca so dcook 23:20 Francesca hows aussie atm 23:20 * dcook looks out the window 23:20 dcook Not too bad :) 23:21 Francesca @wunder nelson, new zealand 23:21 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Richmond Avenue Extn, Nelson, New Zealand is 27.4°C (12:20 PM NZDT on February 10, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 23:21 Francesca @wunder syd 23:21 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 26.0°C (10:00 AM AEDT on February 10, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 23:21 dcook Hmm I doubt it's really that warm 23:22 dcook Although I don't really feel the heat too much 23:22 Francesca I find it hard to believe that nelson is hotter than sydney 23:23 dcook It was quite comfortable when I was walking to work? 23:24 Francesca yeah this morning was nice here as well 23:24 Francesca but now its just really hot