Time Nick Message 03:34 reza Hello 03:36 reza I'm trying to move the Koha mysql database from the local machine to another server which has SSD hard drive. Besides koha-conf.xml how many other file shall I modify and change the database settings? 04:01 reza I'm trying to move the Koha mysql database from the local machine to another server which has SSD hard drive. Besides koha-conf.xml how many other file shall I modify and change the database settings? 04:01 dcook Hey, rangi, are you still around? 04:01 dcook Have a quick question about bug 3144 04:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Stable , anti-spam for opac-suggestions 04:02 dcook @later tell barton Bizarre! 04:02 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 04:56 reza I'm trying to move the Koha mysql database from the local machine to another server which has SSD hard drive. Besides koha-conf.xml how many other file shall I modify and change the database settings? 05:56 irma hi mtj how are you going ... still going ... given up ... ?? 05:56 irma we are going to close the day soon and will be back tomorrow morning early 05:56 irma friends are coming over for dinner so better get some food sorted 05:57 irma goodnight all in #koha too ;-) 05:58 dcook night irma :) 06:11 Francesca argh sooooo hot 06:11 Francesca @wunder wlg 06:11 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 23.0°C (7:00 PM NZDT on February 03, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:45 reiveune hello 07:48 * magnuse waves 07:48 magnuse @wunder boo 07:48 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 03, 2016). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Rising). 07:49 magnuse 15 cm of fresh snow on the ground this morning! 08:14 gaetan_B hello 08:15 Francesca hi 08:15 wahanui kia ora, Francesca 09:03 Joubu hi #koha 09:11 bag hi there 09:27 Joubu magnuse: could you confirm my comment on bug 15697 comment 4 about NORMARC please? 09:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15697 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Unnecessary comma between title and subtitle on opac-detail.pl 09:37 magnuse bag: HI 09:37 wahanui kia ora, magnuse 09:37 bag hey magnuse 09:37 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 09:42 magnuse Joubu: the qa followup looks good. and yes, marc21 and normarc are very similar in most regards 09:44 Joubu magnuse: thanks! 09:53 jajm hello 09:56 cait hi all 09:58 thd Hello cait 09:59 cait meeting in one minute! 09:59 * thd is very happy that his right hand is working again after straining it closing luggage hastily after the ALA conference. 10:00 thd s/working/working without pain/ 10:00 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 3 February 2016 10:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Feb 3 10:00:47 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 10:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_3_february_2016' 10:00 cait Welcome all! 10:00 cait #topic Introductions 10:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 10:01 cait Please follow wahanui's example and introduce yourself with #info 10:01 bag #info Brendan Gallagher - ByWater 10:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 10:01 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_3_February_2016 10:02 ikourmou #info Giannis Kourmoulis - Aristotle University, Thessaloniki 10:02 cait jajm, thd, Joubu? 10:03 cait oh sorry, thd - overread your entry 10:03 jajm #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre, France 10:03 jajm thanks cait :) 10:03 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 10:03 cait quiet morning 10:03 cait let's move on 10:03 cait #topic Update on Releases 10:03 cait as bag is awake... I will hand over to him 10:04 bag cool 10:04 bag I’ll be quick 10:04 bag not much to report - I’m pushing 10:04 bag good dev meeting yesterady 10:05 bag next dev meeting in 2 weeks 10:05 bag that’s it - unless people have questions? 10:05 cait I will make changes to the coding guidelines as agreed on yesterday - please keep an eye on that page (hopefully before the end of the week) 10:05 cait not a question, just a note :) 10:05 bag :) 10:05 Joubu just a quick hint: there is a critical PQA, bug 15687 10:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15687 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Syntax errors in misc/translator/xgettext.pl 10:06 Joubu the translate script is broken on master 10:06 bag thanks! 10:06 cait If you are running master, there is a new dependency for the XSS fixes that needs to be installed from CPAN currently, but will hopefully be packaged soon as well - the web installer will prompt for it 10:06 jajm and in stable versions too I think (at least 3.22.2) 10:06 bag I looked at that the other day but didn’t finish 10:06 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 10:07 cait jajm: hm our 3.22.2 seems ok - how does it show? 10:07 jajm cait, you can't run ./translate update xx-XX 10:07 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, Equinox 10:07 cait hm i did 10:07 cait on git 10:08 jajm cait, hmm ok, so I'm probably wrong, which is a good thing :) 10:08 cait i can retest after the meeting - we update the po files on our branch for some changes in xslt 10:08 cait ok, moving on? 10:09 Joubu (confirmed, ok on 3.22.2) 10:09 cait jajm: any update on 3.22.2? 10:09 cait if not that's ok, writing the topic change line :) 10:10 cait #topic INSTALL.debian is outdated 10:10 cait #link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/INSTALL-debian-is-outdated-td5861347.html 10:10 jajm cait, nothing to report 10:11 cait If I see it correctly, this is about the instructions we ship with Koha 10:11 cait the current file was last changed in 2012 10:11 cait the proposal is to 10:12 cait 1) delete it 10:12 cait 2) replace it with content from the wiki page 10:12 cait 3) Include a link to the instructions on the wiki page 10:12 ashimema 3++ 10:13 cait which wiki page would we link to? 10:13 Joubu 2++ :) 10:13 Joubu and sync it on releasing (RM job) 10:13 cait bag? :) 10:14 bag 3++ 10:14 bag but I’d be fine with 2 :) 10:14 cait 0++ - don't have a clear preference, all are fine for me 10:15 cait it's a draw 10:15 jajm 1-- (no preference between 2 and 3) 10:15 cait ah, no, 2 then - anyone else here to vote? :) 10:15 drojf i don't have a preference either 10:15 cait ok, so not 1 10:15 drojf a link is probably best in my opinion 10:15 cait we will make this easier, who is going to make the change? 10:15 drojf or, well. no i say 2 10:15 drojf sorry .D 10:15 drojf otherwise offline install is impossible 10:16 Joubu that's the point, of course 10:16 cait ok, so 2. 10:16 Joubu and it seems easy to keep it up-to-date once every 6 months 10:16 cait #agreed Update the INSTALL.debian file with content from the wiki 10:16 drojf can we scrape the wiki page? that should not be too hard 10:16 cait who is going to do it? 10:17 cait it would be good to add it to some kind of pre-release list 10:17 cait update about page... update installation instructions... etc. 10:17 bag I can update that file in koha 10:17 cait #action bag to update the file in Koha 10:17 cait thx bag 10:17 cait hm i shoudl have specified which filee :) 10:18 * bag adds it to release notes checklist 10:18 cait #action bag to update the INSTALL.debian file in Koha from the wiki (scratch the other action item) 10:18 cait moving on 10:18 cait #topic Hackfest in Berlin 10:18 cait drojf? 10:18 wahanui drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi! 10:18 drojf i just wanted to use the opportunity to say: there is a koha hackfest in berlin the week before kohacon, i'd propose 25--27 may as the the core time but i have the room from 23 to 27 may if that is not enough. i will be leaving to thessaloniki saturday afternoon. 10:18 drojf i suppose people are planning/booking their kohacon travels now so it's probably a good time to mention it. if you plan on coming, it would be good to know about it. some people have expressed interest but don't want to decide until others say they are coming. which is a bit problematic ;) 10:19 drojf there is a wiki page with some info here https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Berlin_Kohacon_Warmup_2016 so think about it :) 10:19 drojf that's about it i think 10:19 cait thx drojf :) 10:20 bag cool it’s tempting 10:20 drojf HA! 10:20 drojf :) 10:20 bag :) 10:20 cait lots to see in Berlin - and good food 10:20 * cait can recommend :) 10:20 cait moving on to the next event 10:21 cait #topic KohaCon16 10:21 ikourmou hello everyone 10:22 ikourmou i think i should give some info 10:22 ikourmou we have the kohacon16 site up and running... 10:22 ikourmou http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/ 10:22 ikourmou with a lot of information already 10:23 ikourmou (should i copy this information to a wiki page also?) 10:23 drojf ikourmou: the page is fine 10:23 cait ikourmou++ kohacon16-team++ very nice website 10:23 drojf no need to dupicate 10:23 cait #link http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/ 10:23 cait if you'd want you could add a link maybe 10:23 drojf ikourmou++ 10:24 ikourmou ok, i will do this. I would like to encourage everyone here to register... 10:24 ikourmou and submit presentation proposals. 10:24 cait maybe a kohacon16 page that points to your website - to help get it more visible 10:25 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:25 ikourmou also if you have any comments / suggestions on the presentation topics 10:25 ikourmou http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=29 10:25 ikourmou i will be happy to read them 10:26 drojf i have a question 10:26 ikourmou and general suggestions or comments - regarding kohacon 10:26 drojf is it possible to register without google forms? 10:26 drojf because there was a lot of personal information, like food allergies and stuff 10:26 ikourmou you can send an email, containing only the info you wanna give... 10:27 drojf cool 10:27 cait #info Please register and submit presentation proposals - forms are on the website 10:28 cait so if the form doesn't work, send an email? 10:29 ikourmou If anybody can't reach the form or doesn't want to fill in all that info, they can send an email 10:29 cait #info If anybody can't reach the form or doesn't want to fill in all that info, they can send an email 10:29 cait just clarifying for the minutes 10:29 ikourmou if there are no comments / suggestions, I would like to ask a few things... 10:29 cait please ask 10:29 drojf i had something else with the forms but i forgot, sorry 10:30 drojf i will send you an email if it comes up again 10:30 ikourmou do we need to define a keynote speaker / topic? 10:30 ikourmou do you have to suggest sth? 10:30 cait hm 10:31 bag hmm is right 10:31 cait trying to remember :) 10:31 drojf i think traditionally there is a koha history talk at the beginning? but that depends on people handing in a proposal for that 10:31 cait I think sometimes someone from the institution hosting it said a few words in the beginning 10:31 cait and sometimes the current release manager 10:31 drojf oh yes, bag, tell us a story :) 10:32 cait I think there is no strict rule 10:32 bag well I could have already released in May drojf 10:32 cait it's up to you on how you want to do it 10:32 drojf oh. true 10:32 bag and who knows if I’ll do a second one ;) 10:32 ikourmou ok, so depending on the presentation prposals we could choose the keynote speaker / topic. 10:32 cait good point heh 10:32 drojf i'd say wait for the proposals and see what you get 10:33 bag but I do love to talk :) 10:33 cait and if you have something you'd like to do - try it out :) 10:33 ikourmou ok, thanks 10:33 cait bag: you could still talk about 3.24 - or the funding... or... lots of things :) 10:33 bag yeah I like the try whatever you want to try attitude 10:33 drojf funding is probably not a great warmup topic 10:34 drojf ask them once they love koha (in case they are new to it) 10:34 drojf ;) 10:34 cait maybe at the end ): 10:34 cait :) 10:34 drojf should be the case after three days :) 10:34 cait ikourmou: do you have another question? 10:34 ikourmou also, do you think it would be interesting to have some case studies with Koha implementations around the world? 10:35 gmcharlt +1 10:35 bag yes 10:35 thd ++ 10:35 drojf yes. preferably done by librarians, not support providers 10:35 magnuse yes 10:35 drojf or library staff 10:35 cait +1, by libraries for libraries :) 10:36 magnuse the story of the public libraries in turkey might be an interesting one, for example 10:36 drojf if they release the code… 10:36 drojf :P 10:36 ikourmou i think we could ask some people (based on the list emails) to give presentations about their libraries (ie - I have Turkey and Saudi Arabia in mind) 10:37 thd Any suggestions on how to fly cheaply from the US? 10:37 bag thats cool 10:37 ikourmou @magnuse exactly! 10:37 huginn ikourmou: I've exhausted my database of quotes 10:37 cait ikourmou: i think Turkey would be great 10:37 gmcharlt would still be interesting (just as yet unclear whether good example or horrible warning of making customizations to a GPL project ;) ) 10:38 drojf from my point of view, it is a fork with unclear license at the moment 10:38 drojf i'd prefer that to sort that out before they become the center point of a koha conference ;) 10:38 magnuse :-) 10:38 cait I think getting in contact with the project woud possible answer a lot of questions :) 10:38 drojf *to be sorted out 10:38 drojf but i'm curious too, of course :) 10:39 thd The horrible warning is also a lesson for projects about how to do better for managing contributors to avoid losing their contributions in an unnecessary fork. 10:39 drojf what about a nice agpl talk? *hides* 10:40 drojf ikourmou: do you need help with the proposals once the cfp is over? 10:40 ikourmou that;s a cmplication i haven't thought of 10:41 ikourmou I should see the detail before inviting anyone to present. 10:41 drojf i asked on the list, joann did too. there was no reply so far about the code changes 10:42 cait yeah :( 10:42 cait we have other known forks tho 10:42 gmcharlt hopefully somebody can make a personal contact 10:43 cait how do we want to proceed? could we do something to help clear this up? 10:43 thd The reasonable suggestion has been that if we had been using git much earlier we would have more contributors and fewer forks. 10:44 cait hm i don't believe that git is the issue 10:44 cait there are quite new forks, because people rapidly add features they need urgently 10:44 bag heh 10:45 cait i think sometimes the pace of a project makes people fork, possibly there are other reasons too 10:46 gmcharlt time for next agenda item? 10:46 bag thanks 10:46 Joubu The Turkey fork contain a lot of specific dev, Turkish related, not sure they are candidate for inclusion in master 10:46 ikourmou drojf: of course. as soon as cfp is over i will let you know 10:46 ikourmou just a couple of things: 10:46 ikourmou next step will be a call for sponsorships 10:47 cait sounds good 10:47 ikourmou we 'll have a page for that 10:47 cait #info Call for Sponsorships coming soon on the website 10:47 bag cool 10:47 ikourmou with all the budget planning etc 10:48 thd ikourmou: Do you have any special insight to low priced flights from the US? 10:48 cait Could you maybe discuss in PM and share results later? 10:48 ikourmou thd: I dont have atm, but i could take a look and send you an email 10:49 ikourmou cait: sure 10:49 cait thd: maybe share on the wiki what you find out? 10:49 ikourmou I would like to finish with this: 10:49 thd Certainly 10:49 wahanui it has been said that Certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing ashimema's attention to it. 10:49 cait forget Certainly 10:49 wahanui cait: I forgot certainly 10:50 drojf i liked certainly :/ 10:50 ikourmou any comments / suggestions are more than welcome (concernig every aspect of kohacon16) 10:50 bag :) 10:50 cait thx a lot ikourmou 10:50 cait ikourmou++ 10:50 cait drojf: you can teach him something new :) 10:50 ikourmou please register and add your proposals for presentations! 10:50 cait heh, moving on now :) 10:50 cait #topic KohaCon17 10:51 drojf thanks ikourmou, looking forward to kohacon :) 10:51 cait there is currenty one proposal from the Philippines 10:51 cait shoudl we talk about setting an end date for the bidding already or does this have more time? 10:51 drojf i dont think there will be any more before next kohacon. we are very early with this now 10:52 bag more time 10:52 drojf much more time 10:52 cait ok 10:52 drojf just because we allow proposals immediately now does not mean we have to decide earlier 10:52 cait so not forcing this now :) 10:52 cait yep makes sense to me 10:52 bag :) 10:52 cait #info end of bidding date to be decided much later 10:53 cait #info currently only one proposal from the Philippines 10:53 cait so the voting process - any progress there? 10:53 drojf i tried to add some options we had to the wiki 10:53 drojf https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons#How_to_conduct_the_vote 10:53 drojf they are pretty basic, but that is what we discussed last time, i think 10:53 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons#How_to_conduct_the_vote 10:54 drojf i think others should have look and add pros and cons 10:54 cait we have very low attendance today - shoudl we schedule a deifnite vote for the next meeting? 10:55 cait with a reminder on the mailing list maybe? 10:55 drojf i would say we vote around next kohacon? 10:55 cait or that, just before the bidding closes maybe 10:55 thd Would proposals 2 and 4 have some risk of a proximate if not actual tie? 10:55 drojf so we can discuss this once people thought about it 10:55 cait #info voting mechanism for next KohaCon vote to be decided - please take a look at pros and cons of methods listed on the wiki page 10:55 drojf and there is the problem of fakes 10:56 thd fakes is the more important issue. 10:56 drojf we had about 10% on each side last time. with a very clear result it does not matter, but if it were close… 10:56 cait #info please also take a look at the notes about handling fake votes 10:57 cait moving on? 10:57 thd The idea of giving personal names along with other info seems helpful as a control. 10:58 cait shall we add preferences to the wiki page as notes? 10:58 drojf i would not want to limit it to institutional email addresses really, but it would be an option (which excludes a lot of people) 10:58 drojf it would be nice if people add their thoughjts to the wiki 10:58 drojf so we can sum it up in one of the next meetings 10:59 cait #info Please add your thoughts directly to the wiki page for next meetings 10:59 cait #topic Update from the International Koha Fund Committee 10:59 cait gmcharlt? 10:59 wahanui gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. 10:59 gmcharlt wahanui: forget gmcharlt 10:59 wahanui gmcharlt: I forgot gmcharlt 10:59 cait i liked gmcharlt! 10:59 gmcharlt so, the fundraising committee last met on 27 January 11:00 gmcharlt and the main topic of discussion was draft rules for a Grants committee that will disburse money collected by the funds 11:00 gmcharlt the draft is still being discussed among the fundraising committee, but will be put out for general comment shortly after 10 February 11:01 cait #info last fundraising committee was on 27 January 11:01 cait #info draft rules for Grants committee still discussed but available for general comment shortly after 10 February 11:02 cait I see in the action items from last stime: bag to ask how much has been raised so far 11:02 gmcharlt I believe we're awaiting an update from THT; we'll nudge again 11:02 cait ok thx 11:03 cait questions or comments? 11:03 gmcharlt one other point for an upcoming general meeting 11:03 cait yes? 11:03 gmcharlt is that we will be proposing a change to the terms of reference (https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising) to allow majority vote rather than unaminty in article 4 11:04 gmcharlt the specific proposed change to the wording will be sent out well beforehand 11:04 * magnuse has to run off for a bit 11:05 cait #info A proposed change to the terms of reference (https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising) to allow majority vote rather than unaminty in article 4 to be decided at another meeting. Proposed change to the wording will be sent out well beforehand. 11:05 gmcharlt and our general aim is to attain community approval by April or thereabouts so that we'll be in a position (assuming that the money is there) to start a cycle of disbursing grants from the fund later this year 11:05 cait hm coudl you info that for me? :) 11:05 gmcharlt we are also refining some material to use to encourage poeple to donate 11:05 wahanui okay, gmcharlt. 11:05 bag and to do fundraisers too :D 11:06 gmcharlt heh 11:06 bag drojf: more time (I think is appropriate here) 11:06 bag :P 11:06 gmcharlt #info The fundraising committee aims to attain community approval of the procedures for collecting and disbursing funds by April (or so) 11:07 gmcharlt #info Tentative aim is to do a fundraising and grant disbursement cycle later in 2016 11:07 cait thx for the #info and thx to the committee 11:07 gmcharlt and, I think that's it unless bag cares to add anything 11:07 bag great job gmcharlt - you got everything :D 11:07 bag gmcharlt++ 11:09 cait :) moving on then 11:09 * gmcharlt stumbles off in search of coffee 11:09 cait do we need more brainstorming? 11:10 drojf oh coffee 11:10 drojf good idea 11:10 cait ok, 11:10 cait i think no brainstorming :) 11:11 cait #topic Actions from last General meeting 11:11 cait funding committee met, asked for update about the current donations... that leaves 11:11 cait khall asked nicely to add another mock-up for an overview kind of page 11:11 cait khall, around? 11:11 khall somewhat ; ) 11:12 cait see above ^ 11:13 cait the topic was the issuing rules revamp from the last meeting 11:13 khall referring to the circ rules revamp? We haven't completed the mock-up yet 11:13 cait where a second page to the input page was discussed 11:13 cait ok 11:13 khall : \ 11:13 cait i will action you again :) 11:13 cait #action khall asked nicely to add another mock-up for an overview kind of page 11:14 cait #topic Next meeting 11:14 cait hm wednedsy 11:14 cait March 2nd 11:14 thd 9th? 11:14 Joubu maybe another time? :) 11:14 cait 10 UTC 11:15 drojf we had 10 utc today 11:15 cait ah sorry 11:15 cait 20utc 11:15 drojf i don't mind, but others may :) 11:15 cait me and timezones... i can't be trusted 11:15 drojf if that works for you? i think you said its your birthday 11:16 thd What about 9th March. 11:16 thd ? 11:16 cait well... yes it is 11:16 cait 9th would work for me - but also somene else coudl chair :) 11:16 drojf i don't see why we should not take 9 11:16 thd I prefer not the first Wed of the month. 11:16 cait ok 11:17 cait so suggestion: Wednesday 9th, 20UTC 11:17 cait +1 11:17 drojf +1 11:17 cait March... 11:17 wahanui somebody said march was often the month with the most snow here... 11:17 thd +1 11:17 cait #agreed Next IRC meeting will be held on 9 March, 20 UTC 11:17 cait #endmeeting 11:17 huginn Meeting ended Wed Feb 3 11:17:31 2016 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 11:17 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_3_february_2016.2016-02-03-10.00.html 11:17 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_3_february_2016.2016-02-03-10.00.txt 11:17 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/general_irc_meeting_3_february_2016.2016-02-03-10.00.log.html 11:17 thd Snowy 9th ;) 11:17 cait thx all 11:17 cait off for lunch 11:17 Joubu thx cait 11:19 drojf wiki page added 11:20 drojf i deleted debian install and fundraising, and copied the rest. i hope that was correct 11:21 drojf updated https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_General_IRC_meeting too 11:22 drojf cait++ 11:33 drojf liw: around? 11:33 liw maybe... 11:33 wahanui hmmm... maybe is a momentaneous error 11:34 liw drojf, what's up? 11:35 drojf you were talking about doing a debian packaging workshop. are you going to hand in a proposal for kohacon? 11:36 liw drojf, I could do that, though right now it needs to be tentative, as I have various upheavals in my work life coming up during the next two months and this might ruin everything 11:38 drojf oh, i hope it won't ruin anything! 11:40 drojf liw: just wanted to say if greece won't work for you or the organizers, maybe berlin the week before would. don't know how that would work with funding (i think rangi mentioned that), but maybe it's an option for you 11:53 liw drojf, ack, that's good to know 11:54 liw drojf, I thnk what I would like to do is hold on for a couple of weeks before submitting proposals, and if the work thing looks positive, I'll submit something 11:55 drojf liw: i think cfp for greece ends end of february. it would be more of a hackfest thing, so i don't know if that matters 11:56 khall cait: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sfb3j3r0f29aq7v/Screenshot%202016-02-03%2006.54.35.png?dl=0&preview=Screenshot+2016-02-03+06.54.35.png 11:56 khall cropped: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nyyiy89y7esrkb4/Screenshot%202016-02-03%2006.56.44.png?dl=0 11:57 liw drojf, the thing I would like to do is take 2-4 hours, spend a bit of time on theory (to give people the big picture view) and then go through a packaging exercise of a simple program with the participants (everyone makes a package, alone or in pairs), and then maybe look at some of the Koha Debian packaging 11:57 liw drojf, not sure how that'd fit into a conference or hackfest the way Koha does them 12:01 drojf liw: sounds great to me. i have only been to one kohacon so far. there were only shorter things at the hackfest. but there were always groups discussing things and general dev work in parallel, so i don't see why it should not fit in, as long as there is some space aside the main group to gather 12:03 drojf i have no idea how many people are interested in the topic. i only know i am :) 12:05 liw my goal with the tutorial would be to get people up to speed so that they can a) build the Koha Debian package themselves b) make small packaging changes as needed c) help maintain the packages (always good to not have to rely on a single person) 12:05 drojf liw: as for berlin, i don't do a cfp, it will all be very casual. there might be a catmandu workshop if they can't go to greece too. it's in an "open source coworking space" so there might be non-koha people that would like to join. 12:06 drojf yeah that would be very good 12:06 Joubu That would be a great workshop for the hackfest 12:06 drojf and packing other dependencies would be a helpful skill too 12:07 liw one of the problems is that I hvaen't actually paid any attention on Koha or its Debian packaging, on a technical level, since 2010, and i have no idea what I'm doing 12:07 cait khall: options for sorting and hiding columns would be great 12:08 cait khall: hm columsn and rows maybe, like ... show all that is there for library A 12:08 khall cait: yep! this is just a basic mockup 12:08 khall cait: agreed, i put that suggestion on the wiki page already ; ) 12:08 khall https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Circulation_Rules_Interface_and_Backend_Revamp_RFC 12:08 cait cool :) 12:09 khall not sure if we should show the rule selected for all of them at once, or only show it when the cell is clicked. 12:09 khall doesn't really need to be decided just yet at least 12:10 drojf liw: i think a general workshop would be nice and helpful, if you can't look into the koha specific parts 12:10 cait hm not sure i understand that bit :) 12:10 liw drojf, *nod* 12:10 khall The top cell of Loan period is like it would look if you clicked on that field 12:10 khall it shows the rule selected ( Library A / All / All ) and a quick link to the rules editor 12:11 khall probably best to keep the rule hidden until clicked, 12:11 khall at least most of the time. 12:11 khall we could have a 'show all rule selectors' checkbox as well 12:12 cait aah, so the table shows the explicit rules for each combination- the cell shows the single rule? 12:12 khall right 12:12 cait and only 'more information' on klick 12:12 khall exactly 12:12 cait coudl also maybe be a checkbox on top 12:12 cait to show or not show 12:12 khall yep, that's what I'm thinking 12:13 cait drojf++ thx for adding the next page already 12:14 drojf cait: maybe we should put the fundraising back on? it would probably be good to have that as a regular topic 12:14 cait yep sure 12:14 cait i just added the page to https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings too 12:32 oleonard Hi #koha 12:40 cait hm is there a way to change the color of the icons in the opac navbar? 12:42 oleonard Not in the OPAC, where the icons come from an image sprite 12:44 oleonard Sorry to miss the meeting. No power at my house this morning :( 12:45 cait oleonard: thx for confirming :) 12:45 cait sorry to hear about the power problem 12:46 oleonard My kids were excited to eat breakfast by candlelight 12:46 drojf heh 12:49 * magnuse waves 12:56 oleonard Don't we have a bug for adding fontawesome icons to the OPAC? 12:57 oleonard Oh there it is 12:57 oleonard Bug 15287 12:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, francescalamoore, NEW , Use font-awesome on the OPAC 13:48 paul_p magnuse = are you around ? 13:49 * oleonard waves to paul_p 13:49 paul_p hi oleonard. Good morning ! 13:50 paul_p oleonard (when is the vote in OH ? here we've heard a lot of iowa !) 13:50 * cait waves too 13:52 oleonard paul_p: Not until March. And I'm sure you've heard way too much about Iowa! 13:53 oleonard Prepare to hear way too much about New Hampshire next. 13:53 paul_p oleonard ;) 13:53 paul_p oleonard for sure, we heard much more about that than about what's happening in Burundi, and it's much much more important (this country falling in civil war again) 13:54 * paul_p has very very good friends in Burundi... 13:54 oleonard I agree, not that a Trump presidency wouldn't be a disaster for everyone. 13:55 paul_p trump as president of the US. That could be fun (in a movie only...) 14:16 magnuse paul_p: i'm around for ~15 more minutes 14:36 slef hello everybody 14:40 slef Does anyone have tips on serials for where you get multiple copies at one branch? In particular, is there an easy way to set up different routing lists for each copy, or does each copy have to be its own subscription? 14:41 * oleonard_ waves to slef 14:41 * slef waves at oleonard_ 14:57 cait slef: currently only one routing list per subscription 14:57 cait you you'd have multiple subscriptons - one for eachcopy 14:58 cait i thnk there is a bug about enabling mulitple routing lists 15:00 slef cait: thanks. bug 7957 perhaps? 15:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7957 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Routing lists: manage several routing list for each subscription, and export them as CSV 15:01 cait yes, that was the one i was thiking about 15:01 slef ok thanks 15:01 cait ... and sorry for the typos :) 15:02 slef I have no legs. 15:02 cait ? 15:02 slef http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/without-a-leg-to-stand-on 15:03 slef as in, I can't criticise it because I typo often. 15:04 slef It's a mangled idiom ;) 15:08 cait thx :) 15:24 * andreashm waves 15:34 slef bbl 15:47 * kidclamp waves 15:49 * cait waves 15:50 * oleonard waves, and wonders what we are waving about 15:53 kidclamp y'know, just a "Good morning" type wave, but exctied, like Kermit, both hands in the air, crazy arms, big smiles! 15:54 oleonard "Yaaaay!" 15:59 oleonard Bug 13715 makes "limit to available" 100% useless. 15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , "limit to items available" hides records with multiple items where 1 is not available (checked out) but others are 16:02 jcamins oleonard: bug 4481 16:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4481 major, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items 16:02 oleonard I was just wondering if you were really around jcamins 16:03 jcamins Nope. 16:19 oleonard khall, alex_a: I still can't get Bug 14695 to apply on master 16:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron 16:20 khall oleonard: will double check 16:20 alex_a oleonard: let me try 16:20 khall alex_a: thanks! 16:22 oleonard barton please check out the discussion on Bug 15551 when you get a chance 16:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15551 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , checked out items not showing on returns.pl 16:23 alex_a oleonard, khall: No problem for me 16:23 alex_a oleonard: Did you use git bz? 16:23 oleonard Yes 16:23 barton oleonard: looking. 16:29 alex_a oleonard: mmh weird. It does not apply on biblibre sandboxes ... 16:29 alex_a But it's ok on my local master 16:34 Joubu alex_a: apply and reattach the patch on the bug report 16:34 Joubu then try again 16:43 alex_a oleonard: Looks like it works now (applied on biblibre's sanbox) 16:43 alex_a thx Joubu 16:45 oleonard Yes, it applies for me now too alex_a, thanks! 17:03 drojf what is a save place to put xslt files in koha? it deleted my stylesheet from the regular folder 17:04 drojf after an update 17:04 drojf safe 17:13 drojf i guess it's a translation feature. i only had it in /de-DE/, which probably gets deleted before the translation is updated 17:18 eythian drojf: I'd use somewhere in /var 17:18 eythian That's really also where translations from the packages should go, imo 17:31 drojf makes sense. but all the {langcode} stuff would have to be changed 17:37 drojf koha-us++ #finally 17:43 oleonard But no formal announcement? 17:44 drojf i thought i had missed it, but if you have not seen one too… 17:45 cait drojf: we put them in en and let translate run over them 17:46 cait drojf: with the added trick of having all strings pre-translated in an include file that does not end in .xsl and is just copied over untranslated 17:47 cait if you name it something not .xsl the translation script doesn't touch it... :) 17:47 drojf the second part sounds confusing ;) thought it won't be translated if there is no po file anyway 17:49 cait hm i remember now 17:49 cait it's a copy of the standard file - so the standard strings i want it to translate and the additions go into the included file... 17:49 cait which has the only benefit of me not having to maintain the po files 17:50 cait i just run koha translate update to that the file gets picked up 17:50 cait it sounds somehow too complicated :) 17:52 drojf i think i understand it ;) 17:53 cait scary :) 17:54 drojf we do not have an automatic update of the standard marc framework, do we? 17:54 cait hm in which way? 17:55 cait I think we included database updates in the patches for the new fields, but only for the default framework 17:56 drojf that would be enough, the rest could be customized. i was wondering about the new files, like rda stuff 17:56 drojf and i thought i had not all fields in an older install 17:56 Joubu bye #koha 17:57 drojf have to check again 17:57 * barton wonders if the bibliographic data for "Das Kapital" would be stored in a MARX record. ;-) 17:57 oleonard :P 17:57 * druthb groans 17:57 drojf lol 17:57 * druthb throws tomatoes at barton 17:58 barton how many hard core communists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 17:59 barton eh. no one's biting... 17:59 barton none: the lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution! 18:00 barton [ok, i'll stop] 18:00 amyk-PHONE barton lol 18:01 cait heh 18:01 cait bye all :) 19:25 nengard Hello #koha I'm in a demo say hi to the librarians! 19:26 onre hi, librarians! we are the internet 19:26 nengard tgoat you there??? 19:26 nengard Say hi to McKinney!! 19:27 TGoat Hi McKinney! 19:27 nengard vikki from flower mound says hi 19:27 nengard she is a glutton for punishment 19:27 nengard demo #5 19:27 nengard hehe 19:27 TGoat Hi Vikki! 19:28 TGoat I feel like I'm on romper room but I can't see anyone :P 19:28 nengard hehe 20:22 kathryn hi everyone 20:24 TGoat HI Kathryn 20:25 TGoat neeed any help? 20:25 kathryn thanks for asking :) I just lurk here a lot 20:25 kathryn I always need help, but I didn't break Koha today 20:25 kathryn I work at Catalyst in NZ 20:38 barton @later tell oleonard I closed bug 15551; kidclamp opened bug 15736 in its stead. 20:38 huginn barton: The operation succeeded. 22:09 cait hm forgot to turn the chat client back on :( 22:10 pianohacker @later tell cait omfg you deleted koha 22:10 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 22:10 pianohacker sorry, forgot to tell you sooner 22:10 cait ? 22:12 pianohacker :) 22:35 eythian kathryn: hi 22:35 eythian Also everyone else 22:35 kathryn hi eythian :) 22:35 kathryn thanks for my birthday wishes t'other day 22:35 eythian 😀 22:37 aleisha hi eythian how's things 22:38 eythian Hi aleisha. Things are good here. 22:38 aleisha good to hear! 22:38 eythian Be nicer to be out of winter though 22:38 pianohacker winter-- 22:52 bag hola 23:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15358: Fix authorities merge <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ef5fb5617d627da46a4ea475a3d9afc8da6e007> / Bug 15687 [QA Followup] - Tidy sub to remove tab characters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d24219976c332c8fb7da69ceab6374627aeb95c> / Bug 15687: Fix xgettext.pl syntax errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=70112cfb81