Time  Nick            Message
17:27 huginn`         bag: The operation succeeded.
17:27 bag             @later tell paul_p  Happy Birthday Paul!!!
17:07 pianohacker     http://paste.koha-community.org/245 , for reference
17:06 huginn`         pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
17:06 pianohacker     @later tell dcook Thanks much, that worked
17:06 pianohacker     dcook++
17:02 ashimema        oh no it doesn't.. I'm reading the flamegraph wrong ;)
17:00 ashimema        http://joubu.github.io/koha/nytprof/dbic/nytprofhtml.20401_2/ #This one makes me wonder what Koha::Objects::search is doing on top of the dbic::search?
17:00 ashimema        once at startup = OK.. with every request = Hell no!
16:59 ashimema        really proes that dbic should deffo not be used with cgi like use cases.. i.e. with the load_namespaces call being done often..
16:59 ashimema        yes more can be done to really understand them.. but you've made a great start..
16:59 ashimema        Nice work on those Profiles Joubu
16:57 ashimema        hi pianohacker
16:56 pianohacker     hi ashimema
16:53 Joubu           Have a good w-e #koha
16:51 Joubu           -160ms ???
16:51 Joubu           for -160ms (of 5.97ms), executing 286 statements and 82537 subroutine
16:51 ashimema        looks like a good start though for the very quick look
16:51 ashimema        I'll have a read..
16:51 Joubu           the number of statements / execution time, which appears at the top of the page are very weird sometimes
16:51 Joubu           not sure I have finished neither it's understandable, but I have to go
16:50 Joubu           ashimema: https://joubu.github.io/koha/nytprof/dbic/index.html
16:50 Joubu           ashimema: not so exiting I am afraid
16:38 gaetan_B        bye
16:31 * ashimema      looks forward to seeing Joubu ntyprof results
16:27 bag             :)
16:26 cait            working on a list of new features in german... so helpful
16:26 cait            test_plans++
16:13 bag             morning
16:05 reiveune        bye
15:03 ashimema        just seemed like it might be the quickest route to goal ;)
15:02 Joubu           ashimema: I will try that, thx
14:50 ashimema        they come out as plain html do they not?  Perhaps a github pages space?
14:41 Joubu           I have generated some benchmark using nytprof that I would like to share. Does someone could provide me an access to a server where I could upload them (with webserver if possible)
13:58 andreashm       happy new year cait
13:58 cait            happy new year :)
13:58 * cait          waves at andreashm
13:50 * andreashm     waves
13:19 LibraryClaire   hi oleonard
13:16 oleonard        Hi #koha
13:01 cait            please feel free to add your opinion too
13:00 khall           cool
13:00 cait            khall: thx, i know - it's on the todo list
13:00 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14244 normal, P5 - low, ---, misilot, Signed Off , viewing a bib item's circ history requires circulation permissions
13:00 khall           cait: it looks like your input is needed on bug 14244
12:24 Joubu           I have used koha-plack but logged as root
12:22 tcohen          ah, instead of koha-plack
12:22 Joubu           ok it seems that I have started plack with root
12:16 tcohen          i hadn't seen that
12:16 Joubu           did you already see that?
12:15 Joubu           just after the login
12:15 Joubu           tcohen: using kohadevbox:ansible, plack + nytprof (not sure it's nytprof related), I get Could not compile /home/vagrant/kohaclone/mainpage.pl: Can't locate Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm:   ./Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.20/base.pm line 97.
12:15 tcohen          ?
12:15 wahanui         bonjour, Joubu
12:15 Joubu           tcohen: hi
12:15 Joubu           tcohen: heh, good timing :)
12:15 tcohen          morning
12:08 janPasi__       I need to attend a meeting now, but I'll be back after a little while
12:00 janPasi__       according to logs koha seems to hang at "performing checkout" and it never responds to the sip-message
12:00 cait            i'd say it works in later versions - we are on 3.18 - but only because i haven't had a report about it so far
12:00 cait            hmm we didn't use that version... so hard to tell
11:59 janPasi__       cait: this is 3.16
11:51 wahanui         rumour has it which koha version is that
11:51 cait            janPasi__: which koha version?
11:45 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15006 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Need to distinguish client timeout from login timeout
11:45 Joubu           janPasi__: see bug 15006 maybe
11:24 janPasi__       causing a timeout and the self-checkout machine to hang
11:23 janPasi__       when a client tries to self-checkout his/her reservations, the sip server doesn't respond
11:23 janPasi__       we have a problem with kohas sip-server
11:23 janPasi__       help! :D
10:02 ashimema        ouch
09:45 LibraryClaire   drojf: ouch! :/ well that sucks!
09:43 drojf           LibraryClaire: a few days ago there was a train stuck in northern germany due to ice, it took about 20 hours for 40 kilometers. and that only got attention because some politician was on board and tweeted about it. lol
09:38 LibraryClaire   drojf: I was going to say, they always worked well when I lived in Munich and used them to get to school. But no idea what they would be like now...
09:37 drojf           LibraryClaire: "deutsche bahn" used to advertise that even in deepest winter, trains just work. unfortunately that was a long time ago, before they made a lot of cuts in maintenance to maximize profits. and they do part of the local transport in berlin too, which has not been running as scheduled for… at least 3 years now. every time there is some kind of weather (omg it's cold, oh it's too warm), they blame it on that :/
09:36 LibraryClaire   cait: I was surprised to say the least, hehe.
09:35 LibraryClaire   hey ashimema :)
09:35 ashimema        happy friday LibraryClaire
09:34 cait            leaves... htat#s new :)
09:31 LibraryClaire   drojf: hah, oh dear. That does seem to happen here a lot. We had problems in autumn because there were 'leaves on the line'. Now it's ice... the joys of commuting
09:29 drojf           LibraryClaire: over here, as soon as you can see a snow flake in the sky, public transportation gets problems. during the last years it has become a tradition to label all regular weather "unexpected", "worst winter in years" and whatnot. like, OMG, snow in january, who would have expected that?
09:27 LibraryClaire   it's pretty ridiculous
09:26 cait            quite warm here for winter
09:26 huginn`         cait: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Germany is 5.0°C (10:20 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
09:26 cait            @wunder Konstanz
09:25 LibraryClaire   We must have hit 0 overnight, there was ice on the line so my trains were all delayed -.-
09:25 LibraryClaire   woop
09:24 magnuse         yay
09:24 drojf           oh, it's + !
09:23 huginn`         drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 3.0°C (10:20 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
09:23 drojf           @wunder berlin, germany
09:23 LibraryClaire   hehe
09:23 magnuse         lucky me!
09:23 huginn`         magnuse: The current temperature in Banak, Norway is -16.0°C (9:50 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
09:23 magnuse         @wunder karasjok
09:23 LibraryClaire   you win ;)
09:23 huginn`         magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -12.0°C (10:00 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
09:23 magnuse         @wunder kautokeino
09:23 huginn`         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -13.0°C (9:50 AM CET on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
09:23 magnuse         @wunder boo
09:22 huginn`         LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London / Heathrow Airport, United Kingdom is 6.0°C (9:00 AM GMT on January 08, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
09:22 LibraryClaire   @wunder LHR
09:20 * LibraryClaire waves
09:18 cait            happy friday LibraryClaire :)
09:18 LibraryClaire   happy Friday #koha
08:37 Joubu           hi
08:36 wahanui         hey, gaetan_B
08:36 gaetan_B        hello
08:25 drojf           morning
08:00 wahanui         what's up, alex_a
08:00 alex_a          bonjour
08:00 sophie_m        bonjour
07:58 magnuse         ouch http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/75727201/wild-weather-destroys-supermarket-wall-in-auckland
07:57 wahanui         hey, lds
07:57 lds             hello
07:54 reiveune        hello
07:48 * magnuse       waves
03:39 Amit_Gupta      all
03:39 wahanui         bonjour, Amit_Gupta
03:39 Amit_Gupta      hi
03:15 dcook           Hmm SRU is disabled by default, yeah?
02:00 dcook           Maybe all my thoughts on time relate to edge cases anyway..
01:57 dcook           But in theory it might be nice to only import records if the 005 is more recent..
01:56 dcook           Although maybe it wouldn't be used very often..
01:56 dcook           I'm actually liking this match check idea...
01:54 * dcook         officially doesn't care atm
01:54 dcook           Yeah, it looks like it's butchering the imported record.. maybe that's my data..
01:53 dcook           Then again..
01:52 dcook           Doesn't look like it's UTF8 safe though..
01:52 dcook           Interesting... I didn't know that we did a "diff" for imported records
01:48 wizzyrea        answer: wind.
01:47 wizzyrea        definitely a "is it wind or earthquake" day
01:47 rangi           still gusting over 100 tho
01:47 rangi           its only averaging 57kmph at the mo
01:47 wizzyrea        I think it's getting better slowly
01:47 wizzyrea        it was pretty intense earlier
01:47 kidclamp        that sounds terrifying
01:46 rangi           we just got our first motion sickness casualty from how much our building is wobbling in the wind
01:45 rangi           and some way to click "this works in 3.20" to report back
01:45 rangi           and it could even go, you're running 3.20, that report isn't tested for that are you sure?
01:44 rangi           etc
01:44 rangi           then you could click something in koha to import
01:44 rangi           with an api
01:44 rangi           if we did it at reports.koha-community.org
01:42 kidclamp        heh, true
01:42 dcook           ^
01:42 rangi           no one sane that is
01:42 rangi           because no one runs master in production
01:42 dcook           ^
01:42 rangi           you dont
01:41 kidclamp        how would you version tested on master?
01:41 dcook           Err what time will things be updated out of order*
01:41 dcook           If Task 1 is moving at this speed, and Task 2 is moving at this speed, at what speed will things get updated out of order?
01:40 dcook           Just had a flashback to high school math...
01:40 wizzyrea        yeah nah, if we had a solution like that it'd not be on the wiki
01:40 dcook           ^ to what rangi said
01:39 wizzyrea        "tested on version xxxx"
01:39 rangi           theres no reason they have to stay on the wiki though
01:39 wizzyrea        yes.
01:39 wizzyrea        well I'm quite sure it wouldn't
01:39 dcook           ^
01:39 rangi           they should be versioned to
01:39 wizzyrea        idk if it would work on the wiki
01:39 kidclamp        that's a good idea wizzyrea
01:39 dcook           wizzyrea: I like that
01:39 kidclamp        :D
01:38 wizzyrea        I'm envisioning a system by which people thumb up or thumb down reports so the bad ones disappear
01:38 kidclamp        rangi:I feel like there's someone who often says 'great are you volunteering?' to statements like that...who am i thinking of?
01:38 dcook           Obviously a self-check isn't enough... but...
01:38 dcook           But the creator can also self-check
01:38 dcook           Like... the curator checks them once a month or something
01:38 dcook           What about a few different checks?
01:37 dcook           Finding someone perhaps less easy
01:37 dcook           Sounds reasonable to me
01:37 rangi           there isn't a way, if they are going to be the recommended way to do reporting, it should be someones job ot curate it
01:37 * dcook         looks at the marc frameworks
01:37 dcook           Yeah updating data after an upgrade blows..
01:37 kidclamp        I always think it would be nice to have some stock reports kept in koha, but checking them against each db version would be tedious at best
01:36 wizzyrea        besides curation
01:36 wizzyrea        true - dk how you prevent that sort of thing though
01:36 rangi           it really needs someone to go through and tidy them all up
01:35 rangi           and don't do what people who wrote them thought they do
01:35 wizzyrea        they are
01:35 dcook           ^
01:35 rangi           some of those reports are broken
01:35 dcook           I never use it anymore
01:35 dcook           The report library is a monster though
01:35 wizzyrea        especially when people contribute their reports
01:35 rangi           in theory
01:35 wizzyrea        I feel like the report library is much safer.
01:34 wizzyrea        or wasn't counting, or was double counting
01:34 wizzyrea        things got a lot better once we understood wtf the report wasn't doing
01:34 * dcook         shudders
01:34 wizzyrea        I remember we had some reports at my old job, and the statistics were out for a year because of a guided report built report
01:33 * dcook         is trying to figure out some silent problems of his own atm
01:33 dcook           Silent problems are the worst :(
01:33 wizzyrea        ^ this is really a concern
01:33 dcook           Yeah I don't know if people using the report builder even get good results... but they might not know what is good or bad..
01:33 kidclamp        remove all the things! all the sysprefs!
01:32 dcook           Remove acquisitions and serials! :D
01:31 wizzyrea        more research needed I think
01:30 wizzyrea        I think it might be good to de-emphasise it though
01:30 kidclamp        I would be curious to hear from someone who does use it, and get sgood results
01:30 wizzyrea        but it is decently confusing for people
01:30 kidclamp        get rid of acquisitions too by that standard
01:30 wizzyrea        :)
01:30 wizzyrea        well that's not necessarily a reason to nuke it
01:29 kidclamp        I don't even understand hwo it works
01:29 wizzyrea        same
01:29 wizzyrea        yeah
01:29 kidclamp        I have always told people, ask for a report, don't use that
01:29 wizzyrea        I'd kinda like to take the report builder out entirely
01:29 kidclamp        but I have never used the report builder
01:28 wizzyrea        oh! someone with an opinion!
01:28 kidclamp        I concur
01:28 wizzyrea        because I think people use "create report from sql" more than the report builder?
01:28 wizzyrea        to the create report from sql
01:27 wizzyrea        Hm, I wonder if we should change "build a new report" in the report module from the guided report maker
00:58 dcook           Boo OAI-PMH...
00:58 dcook           It theoretically could be YYYY-MM-DD...
00:57 dcook           Ah except the OAI-PMH datestamp isn't necessarily going to be that granular..
00:27 dcook           I dislike the idea of making a table of OAI identifiers and datestamps just to check if the incoming record is newer than the last processed OAI record..
00:26 dcook           I suppose for OAI, I could maybe put the OAI-PMH datestamp in a different field...
00:26 dcook           As someone may have updated the local version... but you really do want to replace it with the incoming version...
00:25 dcook           Ah, but that's problematic too..
00:25 dcook           So you'd only replace Bib X if the 005 of the version you're importing is newer...
00:24 dcook           The latter would probably be smarter...
00:24 dcook           Torn between creating a new import service... or making match checks be able to support additional comparison operators...
00:23 huginn`         dcook: The operation succeeded.
00:23 dcook           @later tell pianohacker You can take a look at 7.6 in http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz.pdf. I think older versions didn't have access to the special elements as I think we're probably overwriting some internal config for the xml syntax with our retrieval config...
00:13 huginn`         dcook: The operation succeeded.
00:13 dcook           @later tell pianohacker Unless you're using authorities and then obviously the problem is with /etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-auth-dom.xml
00:12 dcook           I should write that somewhere...
00:11 huginn`         dcook: The operation succeeded.
00:11 dcook           @later tell pianohacker Format xml will get you the indexes as "index" is the default element as it's the first retrieval element mentioned for XML. You're probably missing <retrieval syntax="xml"/> declared before it. You may also need <retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*" /> at the bottom although I think <retrieval syntax="xml"/> as the first xml retrieval element should do the trick.
00:09 huginn`         dcook: The operation succeeded.
00:09 dcook           @later tell pianohacker You're probably using an old version, so update it from master.
00:08 huginn`         dcook: The operation succeeded.
00:08 dcook           @later tell pianohacker The problem will be with your /etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml file.
00:06 dcook           Hmm bad timing pianohacker..
00:05 wahanui         somebody said waha was refusing to learn.
00:05 dcook           Who waha
00:05 pianohacker     heh, hibye dcook
00:05 dcook           laters pianohacker
00:05 pianohacker     bye all!