Time  Nick             Message
00:27 dcook            Permissions... permissions...
00:29 dcook            So Zebra must create its own sockets..
00:52 jcamins          Sybase? Man, that takes me back.
00:54 jcamins          Sybase was updated in 2014?
01:08 ibeardslee       way back perl had some great DBI stuff for sybase, that's what I cut my perly teeth in.
01:10 rangi            first opac i did was perl + dbi + dbd::sybase
01:10 rangi            dumped out from a system that ran on a mainframe
01:10 rangi            first thing to do was convert ebcidic to ascii
01:10 rangi            before we could do anything
01:10 rangi            that was i think 97
01:10 ibeardslee       I was using it to bypass the PowerBuilder interface to get additional reporting done
01:11 rangi            nice
01:13 ibeardslee       of course, let's not talk about the password being stored in ROT13 as browser cookies, which made it easier to pass the password as a string compare to the password field in the database :/
01:13 rangi            nice :)
01:13 ibeardslee       we have all done bad things, at some stage
01:16 rangi            yup
01:38 alex_            wizzyrea. Ok thankyou. I was just trying to double check that I was setting up the Koha clone correctly because I had problems setting it up at Catalyst initially.
01:38 wizzyrea         :)
01:38 wizzyrea         sok, let us know if it gives you trouble
02:28 dcook            HTTP::OAI has the best documentation ever
02:29 * dcook          might have said that sarcastically
03:21 Amit_Gupta       hi all
03:27 wizzyrea         hi
03:42 Amit_Gupta       hi wizzyrea
04:49 dcook            Well... that's interesting...
04:49 dcook            HTTP::OAI::Response->resumptionToken->resumptionToken is how to get the resumption token
04:49 dcook            I guess the first call must be an accessor method for a HTTP::OAI::ResumptionToken object...
04:50 * dcook          sometimes wonders about the merit of HTTP::OAI vs rolling one's own solution
05:23 dcook            Interesting... the OAI-PMH server I'm looking at is serving me different results each time..
05:23 dcook            Sometimes it's 97... sometimes it's 100 per response
05:24 dcook            Well, 98-100
05:26 dcook            Unless I'm screwing up as it is saying 100 records..
05:27 dcook            Hmm, must be me..
05:27 dcook            Me thinks a race condition..
05:38 Amit_Gupta       chris around?
05:40 * Francesca      waves
05:54 dcook            Intersting... duplicate OAI-PMH records for the exact same time..
06:01 dcook            Although I suppose it's OK to overwrite the first one with the duplicate, as you only want the most up-to-date record anyway
06:01 dcook            You're actually doing yourself a favour by deduplicating at that stage..
06:13 dcook            4 minutes to download 4866 records... that doesn't seem too bad
06:14 dcook            That's just over 20 records a second
06:14 dcook            For downloading... not importing
06:16 dcook            Sweet. ISO 8601 technically allows for nanoseconds too
07:46 reiveune         hello
08:05 gaetan_B         hello
08:55 Joubu            hi
08:57 * magnuse        waves
08:57 * cait           waves
09:43 LibraryClaire    mornin' all
09:48 * magnuse        waves to LibraryClaire from norway
09:48 magnuse          @wunder boo
09:48 huginn           magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 AM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Rising).
09:48 magnuse          'twas 8 yesterday...
09:48 * LibraryClaire  waves back from London
09:49 magnuse          ooh, london! too long since i was there
09:50 LibraryClaire    it's a bit grey and windy today
09:54 Joubu            mtj: around?
10:03 liw              @wunder torrevieja
10:03 huginn           liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 14.5°C (11:02 AM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Steady).
10:11 magnuse          liw: not too hot?
10:23 LibraryClaire    @wunder london
10:23 huginn           LibraryClaire: Error: No such location could be found.
10:23 LibraryClaire    :(
10:26 liw              magnuse, bloody cold, actually (mostly unheated flat)
10:39 magnuse          liw: yeah, i can imagine that
10:41 liw              lots and lots and lots of sunlight, though, which is why I'm here in the first place
10:45 magnuse          ooh, that sounds nice
10:46 LibraryClaire    sun does sound nice...
10:46 magnuse          it's been 2-3 weeks since i saw the sun last, and it will be at least anoter 2 weeks before i see it again
10:46 LibraryClaire    o.O
10:46 magnuse          oh today is solstice! hooray! \o/
10:47 nlegrand         hey #koha !
10:47 LibraryClaire    it is :D
10:47 LibraryClaire    hi nlegrand
10:47 magnuse          kia ora nlegrand
10:48 nlegrand         o/ LibraryClaire, magnuse
10:49 nlegrand         I'm puzzled by something, perldoc.koha-community.org seems outdated: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/C4/Reserves.html#CanItemBeReserved the documentation is different in master and 3.20
10:50 magnuse          hm, the page says "Last updated: Tue Dec 22 06:16:35 2015"
10:51 magnuse          looks like gmcharlt is the one to ask about it
10:52 magnuse          but i guess it could also have been changed between master and 3.20...
10:52 nlegrand         maybe on koha list then?
10:53 magnuse          yeah, or wait a couple hours and see if he's around then
10:53 magnuse          does the website not match your local clone then?
10:53 nlegrand         thanks :)
11:01 drojf            hi #koha
11:02 drojf            @later tell eythian LOL i arrived safely at the planned (non-amsterdamish) destination
11:02 huginn           drojf: The operation succeeded.
11:03 LibraryClaire    hi drojf
11:04 drojf            someone up for a MARC question? i am wondering if is within the standard to catalogue a dependent record with 773 for the host item, if that host item is not in the catalogue?
11:04 drojf            hi LibraryClaire
11:21 Amit_Gupta       hi tcohen
11:38 ashimema         drojf no idea if it's in spec.. but i'm wondering how it might work now
11:39 LibraryClaire    drojf - I have put my cataloguing hat on but it's working slowly today...
11:40 ashimema         actually..
11:40 ashimema         come to think of it I think it's totally in spec..
11:40 ashimema         but koha doesn't support it right now to that level
11:41 ashimema         I wrote this lot up some time ago..
11:41 ashimema         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Multipart_Bibliographics
11:41 drojf            koha would set a link to nowhere, that would have to be fixed in the xslt
11:41 ashimema         that was my understanding of those linkings
11:42 ashimema         I 'think' from memory it's to do with the combination of 001 + 003 for the identifier..
11:42 ashimema         which koha doesn't do..
11:42 drojf            personally, i don't think its a good way to do it. the library says "we only got those copies from xy and having the host in the catalogue is confusing, because we don't have it". i would say "have no item record for the host, but use it as a source of information anyway"
11:43 drojf            ashimema: yes, it has, only not in koha. but in this case, they dont want to set a link to somehwere else, but link to nowhere, just put the host info in the constituent records
11:43 ashimema         so for 'proper' catalogueing I think the 773_w should actually be the combination of 003+001
11:43 drojf            yes
11:43 drojf            you are right there. koha is missing that
11:43 ashimema         but in our case.. if you turn on the 001 stuff, then it's only actually looking at the 001.. not the combination
11:44 drojf            yep. i hope stockholm has to fix that for us for their union stuff :P
11:44 ashimema         how odd.. having the link not go anywhere at all makes no sense to me at all.
11:44 drojf            thats what i think
11:45 ashimema         I could possibly envisage a local catalogue wanting to analyz a set, but having the actual host item only available via an ILL for instance..
11:45 drojf            and the data is there, it does not make sense to throw it out, in my opinion
11:45 ashimema         but why bother analyzing it at all if your not going to allow any way to retrive the full item?
11:46 ashimema         totally.. I was really hoping for some funding to fix out 001_003 stuff...
11:46 ashimema         but alas.. it never came to anything..
11:46 ashimema         I spent ages getting my head around it though..
11:46 ashimema         hesne those wiki pages ;)
11:46 ashimema         I'm still not 100% sure they're entirely correct (I'm no librarian).. so if anyone wanting to correct them please do ;)
11:47 ashimema         woop woop, bdfoy fix Business::ISBN for me :)
11:48 ashimema         I love it when cpan authors are responsive :)
11:48 cait             drojf: we remove the links if no $w link
11:48 cait             for a library
11:48 cait             so it's only text
11:48 cait             with jquery
11:48 cait             the basic problem is that the link is just a guess... you never actually know if the host item is in the catalog or not
11:48 ashimema         indeed.. it's doing a search is it not
11:48 drojf            yes that is another thing. they dont have control numbers
11:48 ashimema         from memory at least..
11:49 drojf            but a second problem ;)
11:49 ashimema         the link is // search for item with matching 001 within the catalogue
11:49 drojf            wasn't there an option to link to the bib number? i cant find it. maybe that was a local hack of someone
11:49 cait             drojf: and you can use 001 + 035
11:49 cait             btw
11:49 ashimema         there is.. 'easyanalytics' I think it was called?
11:49 cait             marcelr uses it that way
11:49 ashimema         but you also have to turn off the syspref for the 001 linking stuff I beleive
11:49 drojf            ashimema: ok that is not what i want to use
11:50 drojf            yes
11:50 ashimema         they're mutually exclusive?
11:50 cait             currently yes
11:50 cait             i think they shoudl have used a linking table... the way it works is not quite good
11:50 ashimema         I'd like to see easy analytics go the way of the dodo.. and the proper control number analytics made easy to work with ;)
11:50 drojf            +1 :)
11:51 ashimema         used a linking table cait?
11:51 ashimema         for easy analytics you mean?
11:52 cait             yeah - i think the way it uses marc there is not quite good
11:52 drojf            cait: you mean 001 or 0035? or a combination of both?
11:52 drojf            035
11:52 ashimema         035..
11:52 cait             i think the xslt/search link stil works if you do that - if i am not mistaken
11:53 cait             drojf: i remember marcelr fixed my initial code so it woudl work with (orgcode)controlnumber in $w
11:53 cait             but i am not sur ehow you could indicate in a way that there is no host item :(
11:53 Amit_Gupta       heya cait
11:54 ashimema         I don't have 035 in any of those wiki page notes..
11:54 cait             ok, i am confused... i better go and have christmas cookies and chocolate :)
11:54 ashimema         lol
11:54 cait             ashimema: it's not mandatory i'd say - and i am not sure if you'd need to change the index too to make it work perfectly
11:54 drojf            another thing i cant find… there was an option to hide records from the search results. i think it was an option for items in a set or something. probably done with a marc controlfield. if that rings a bell for anyone… ;) otherwise i will dive into the xslt later
11:54 drojf            (not sure if it was on zebra level or only in the display)
11:54 cait             there is 942$n OpacSuppression and OpacHiddenItems
11:54 drojf            no not those :)
11:55 drojf            something else. cant really express :D
11:55 ashimema         i know what you mean
11:55 ashimema         on tic.. just finding it
11:56 ashimema         hmm
11:56 drojf            something with bib level, hiding, tralala :D
11:56 ashimema         you sure it's not OpacHiddenItems?
11:56 drojf            i was. but i will take a look. and fire up a dev vm
11:57 ashimema         that's the one I was thinking of
11:57 ashimema         works on marc based rules..
11:57 ashimema         unline OpacSuppression
11:57 drojf            but it works on item level. i am thinking bib level
11:58 drojf            or i misunderstand the syspref
11:59 ashimema         K, no idea then I'm afraid.. been a few years since I've been into that area of code ;)
12:11 cait             it hides the record if all items are hidden
12:12 cait             that's the trick :)
12:12 cait             but it's less perfect than opacsuppression - leaving holes in the result lists
12:39 drojf            maybe what i had in mind was really only adding something like "not (bib-level:a or bib-level:b" to a search query to filter out component part records and i made the syspref part of that up
12:40 drojf            in which case the opachiddenitems thing may be of more use for what in need now. thanks for the hints
12:40 drojf            cait++
12:40 drojf            ashimema++
12:41 ashimema         :)
12:43 drojf            my brain could use a new indexer
12:43 drojf            drojf with elasticsearch, coming 2016
12:44 LibraryClaire    :)
12:48 ashimema         :)
12:59 oleonard         Hi #koha
13:02 LibraryClaire_   hi oleonard
13:02 oleonard         Hi LibraryClaire_ , I was just looking at the logs... You're in London?
13:03 ashimema         she has a very pretty opac oleanard ;)
13:03 oleonard         Well, do show
13:04 ashimema         https://ual.koha-ptfs.co.uk/#
13:04 LibraryClaire_   goodness
13:04 ashimema         they have a local url too I'm sure.. but I can't remember it
13:04 LibraryClaire_   yes, I'm in London :)
13:04 LibraryClaire_   libsearch.arts.ac.uk
13:05 oleonard         Oooh, flat!
13:06 * ashimema       likes the search dropdown
13:08 * LibraryClaire_ likes anything turquoise
13:09 oleonard         @wunder 45701
13:09 huginn           oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 13.2°C (8:09 AM EST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
13:11 cait             LibraryClaire_: it's really pretty :)
13:12 cait             wondering if this is actually a tuned koha opac or not :)
13:12 ashimema         it's a cleverly tuned koha opac intermingled with their discovery service
13:13 cait             ah, the facets looked unfamiliar
13:13 ashimema         which is deep web
13:14 ashimema         sorry.. that's the company.. the product is explorit I think
13:14 LibraryClaire_   yes, explorit :)
13:14 LibraryClaire_   and thanks cait, we like it :D and so do the students
13:23 cait             @wunder Konstanz
13:23 huginn           cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (2:00 PM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Falling).
13:23 cait             @wunder London, UK
13:23 huginn           cait: The current temperature in London / Heathrow Airport, United Kingdom is 14.0°C (1:00 PM GMT on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
13:24 druthb           @wunder 77447
13:24 huginn           druthb: The current temperature in Blueberry Farm, Hockley, Texas is 12.7°C (6:50 AM CST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling).  Dense fog advisory in effect until 10 am CST this morning... 
13:24 ashimema         @wunder stevenage, uk
13:24 huginn           ashimema: The current temperature in Stevenage, England, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 13.9°C (1:24 PM GMT on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
13:24 cait             wow, even warmer than here
13:25 LibraryClaire_   oh, it didn't like it when I asked it about London earlier... I didn't put UK though...
13:28 ashimema         yeah.. there are too many londons out there.
13:28 ashimema         not sure how it works out the default
13:32 * LibraryClaire_ wondered if it meant she could go home ;)
13:36 * ashimema       just found a piece of example code left in one of the apps he's about to push to procution..
13:37 ashimema         in rare circumstances, it would render 'Bite my shiny metal ass!'.. oops, that's not very professional
13:37 LibraryClaire_   hahahaha
13:38 nlegrand         :)
13:39 cait             LibraryClaire_: i think ti also works with airport codes
13:40 cait             only i can never remember them :)
13:40 LibraryClaire_   @wunder MUC
13:40 huginn           LibraryClaire_: The current temperature in Munich, Germany is 14.0°C (2:20 PM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
13:40 LibraryClaire_   haha! :D
13:40 oleonard         @wunder CMH
13:40 huginn           oleonard: The current temperature in The Crossing, Columbus, Ohio is 11.3°C (8:30 AM EST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
13:41 oleonard         @wunder ATO
13:41 huginn           oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is 12.0°C (8:15 AM EST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
13:41 oleonard         That's better.
13:41 oleonard         ATO = Tiny little Ohio University airport.
13:42 LibraryClaire_   :)
13:42 ashimema         universities in the US have airports!
13:43 oleonard         "for the university's aviation related initiatives"
13:43 oleonard         https://www.ohio.edu/airport/
13:44 ashimema         cool
13:44 ashimema         so are you now back to the koha world for a while oleanard.?
13:44 ashimema         we missed you
13:44 ashimema         well.. I did at least ;)
13:44 oleonard         :)
13:45 oleonard         I am back, although I'm still never able to be full time on Koha
13:46 ashimema         'tis a shame.. but understandable
13:47 * ashimema       also has to split his time between koha and other projects allot now..
13:47 ashimema         the time when I used to be 99% koha are gone.. more like 30% now
13:54 oleonard         When oh when is a brilliant and/or insane billionaire going to provide us unlimited funding for Koha development?
13:55 oleonard         Maybe we need a Koha foundation first.
13:56 jcamins          oleonard: maybe a name first.
13:56 * ashimema       has gone back to playing with minions [http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Minion]
13:57 * oleonard       proposes "Koha-USA-Athens-Ohio-Owen's-House" because travel is expensive.
13:57 jcamins          oleonard: works for me! I think. How's your cooking?
13:57 ashimema         hehe
13:58 oleonard         I don't know jcamins all my kids want are bananas.
14:02 jcamins          oleonard: I don't like bananas at all, so that might be a bad sign.
14:03 jcamins          Maybe Koha-Germany-Konstanz-cait's-house? Good food there.
14:07 oleonard         Sure, if you want to be racist against people in USA-Athens-Ohio-Owen's-House.
14:08 drojf            lol
14:10 drojf            i'm sorry to say that i am a little surprised such a discussion happens among "information specialists"
14:10 drojf            not that one here, that on the list of course
15:02 cait             i have a user group at my plce now?
15:02 cait             i better go home then :)
15:10 druthb           I'll come keynote at the Konstanz Koha UG.
15:11 druthb           Don't know what I'd keynote *about*, but I'd figure something out.
15:14 cait             heh
15:15 liw              backups. backups are always a good topic for talks.
15:15 nengard          heh
15:15 * druthb         walks backwards onto the stage.
15:16 druthb           Keynotes are supposed to be inspiring rah-rah speeches.  Somehow, "your system will eventually fall over and die, so make backups" doesn't sound very inspiring.
15:17 liw              sounds very inspiring to me, but I seem to have a history of getting overly excited about backups
15:18 druthb           . . .  You need more excitement in your life, maybe?
15:18 oleonard         druthb: Maybe if you did one of those super-fast whiteboard drawings at the same time?
15:18 druthb           lol.
15:19 druthb           I love those things!  I can't draw worth a darn, though.
15:23 * liw            has more than enough excitement _implementing_ backup software that others use and get upset about if it loses all their backups again
15:52 cait             drojf: can you check the po files maybe?
15:52 cait             i forgot and have to run to the bus now - not sure when the release is
16:03 reiveune         bye
16:54 LibraryClaire_   logging off for now :)
18:02 gaetan_B1        bye
18:31 oleonard         "Well *I* think 'America' means 'U.S.A.'" is not very convincing is it?
18:31 oleonard         I keep thinking I'm going to post again in that stupid thread and I keep giving up.
18:33 kidclamp         I have started typing so many times and  then slowly backed away
18:56 rangi            oleonard: yup, me too
18:56 rangi            on the upside that thread contains the best email by Paul A ever
18:59 * cait           waves
18:59 oleonard         That is an, uh... interesting upside.
18:59 cait             christmas shopping... 2 days before christmas... what was I thinking
18:59 * eythian        catches up on the thread
19:00 eythian          It just keeps giving
19:00 eythian          In other news, i have apartment keys in my pocket right now.
19:00 ibeardslee       yay
19:01 cait             :)
19:01 cait             christmas present to yourself?
19:01 eythian          Only 1,450 per month
19:01 eythian          cait: pretty much will have to be 😀
19:01 rangi            only
19:01 rangi            yowzer
19:01 cait             totally crazy....
19:02 gmcharlt         @quote random
19:02 huginn           gmcharlt: Quote #313: "<rangi> DO NOT DO THIS ON PRODUCTION UNLESS YOU HAVE DONE IT ON TEST FIRST AND IT WORKED" (added by wizzyrea at 01:51 AM, January 23, 2015)
19:02 cait             @quote random
19:02 huginn           cait: Quote #174: "paul_p I answer to SLEF" (added by Brooke at 10:16 AM, January 04, 2012)
19:02 cait             hi gmcharlt
19:02 cait             :)
19:02 gmcharlt         rangi: you need to speak up more, I could barely hear that... ;)
19:05 rangi            hmm no c in te reo māori
19:05 drojf            works on the very recent koha 3.8
19:05 drojf            in. whatever
19:06 drojf            [off] i'm tired, i want booze
19:06 drojf            [off] but look, more migration data. yeah!
19:07 cait             [off] the life of a koha support provider... you chose it ;)
19:07 drojf            oh my favourite email thread got a lot of replies :D
19:07 cait             yeah, just working through them
19:08 drojf            oh look, another great "america" related name. lol
19:08 drojf            this can't be true
19:11 LibraryClaire    haha, excellent, more emails to read once I get off the train :D
19:12 * rangi          uses it as a teaching opportunity
19:13 rangi            also, it might be just me
19:13 rangi            but i think finding a name that offends the least number of people is actually a useful task, not one to be derided, what is to be derided is not caring if you offend someone
19:14 drojf            i was thinking something similar when i read that
19:14 drojf            so, no, its not only you :)
19:15 rangi            :)
19:15 drojf            kohanorthamericareactions: when someone asks you to rename your group http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/064/268/girl_gun_fuck_yeah1.jpg
19:15 drojf            sorry ^^
19:17 cait             i like KohaUS and Koha4US best so far i think
19:17 rangi            yeah, they both seem fine to me
19:17 drojf            yes, they are the only ones having US in them. which is the point
19:17 rangi            ohh that authority records .. much better thread :)
19:18 gmcharlt         given what authority records do... the threads could end up being mashed up :)
19:18 rangi            heh
19:22 drojf            [off] ha, salmon and white wine from new zealand. later :D
19:23 rangi            [off] enjoy :)
19:24 cait             why off that?
19:24 cait             :)
19:26 Dyrcona          :)
19:29 Dyrcona          [off] It ought to be 'Merican, which rhymes with....
19:30 Dyrcona          On an unrelated note: A library director is having a phone conversation outside my office about where the fire alarm shut off is.....
19:30 * rangi          upgrades his kids school koha
19:30 rangi            http://obs.library.workbuffer.org/
19:30 Dyrcona          Sweet as, bro.
19:31 rangi            :)
19:31 rangi            now to write some monit rules for zebra
19:32 rangi            mtj: you use monit a bit eh?
20:47 rangi            hmm first attempt is a bit overly aggressive
20:48 rangi            ohh i can fix that
20:49 pastebot         "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "monit zebra" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/235
22:35 drojf1           cait1: can't test today. is the release really coming on 24th? on the translate list itr was "in a week" on 17th
22:35 cait1            not sure
22:35 drojf1           will try to find some time tomorr
22:35 drojf1           ow
22:35 cait1            let's see who gets it done first
22:36 cait1            yeah metoo -
22:37 drojf1           a race, yeah! :D
22:37 drojf1           good night #koha
22:37 rangi            cya drojf1
22:39 cait1            ah, now i was too slow