Time Nick Message 00:27 dcook Permissions... permissions... 00:29 dcook So Zebra must create its own sockets.. 00:52 jcamins Sybase? Man, that takes me back. 00:54 jcamins Sybase was updated in 2014? 01:08 ibeardslee way back perl had some great DBI stuff for sybase, that's what I cut my perly teeth in. 01:10 rangi first opac i did was perl + dbi + dbd::sybase 01:10 rangi dumped out from a system that ran on a mainframe 01:10 rangi first thing to do was convert ebcidic to ascii 01:10 rangi before we could do anything 01:10 rangi that was i think 97 01:10 ibeardslee I was using it to bypass the PowerBuilder interface to get additional reporting done 01:11 rangi nice 01:13 ibeardslee of course, let's not talk about the password being stored in ROT13 as browser cookies, which made it easier to pass the password as a string compare to the password field in the database :/ 01:13 rangi nice :) 01:13 ibeardslee we have all done bad things, at some stage 01:16 rangi yup 01:38 alex_ wizzyrea. Ok thankyou. I was just trying to double check that I was setting up the Koha clone correctly because I had problems setting it up at Catalyst initially. 01:38 wizzyrea :) 01:38 wizzyrea sok, let us know if it gives you trouble 02:28 dcook HTTP::OAI has the best documentation ever 02:29 * dcook might have said that sarcastically 03:21 Amit_Gupta hi all 03:27 wizzyrea hi 03:42 Amit_Gupta hi wizzyrea 04:49 dcook Well... that's interesting... 04:49 dcook HTTP::OAI::Response->resumptionToken->resumptionToken is how to get the resumption token 04:49 dcook I guess the first call must be an accessor method for a HTTP::OAI::ResumptionToken object... 04:50 * dcook sometimes wonders about the merit of HTTP::OAI vs rolling one's own solution 05:23 dcook Interesting... the OAI-PMH server I'm looking at is serving me different results each time.. 05:23 dcook Sometimes it's 97... sometimes it's 100 per response 05:24 dcook Well, 98-100 05:26 dcook Unless I'm screwing up as it is saying 100 records.. 05:27 dcook Hmm, must be me.. 05:27 dcook Me thinks a race condition.. 05:38 Amit_Gupta chris around? 05:40 * Francesca waves 05:54 dcook Intersting... duplicate OAI-PMH records for the exact same time.. 06:01 dcook Although I suppose it's OK to overwrite the first one with the duplicate, as you only want the most up-to-date record anyway 06:01 dcook You're actually doing yourself a favour by deduplicating at that stage.. 06:13 dcook 4 minutes to download 4866 records... that doesn't seem too bad 06:14 dcook That's just over 20 records a second 06:14 dcook For downloading... not importing 06:16 dcook Sweet. ISO 8601 technically allows for nanoseconds too 07:46 reiveune hello 08:05 gaetan_B hello 08:55 Joubu hi 08:57 * magnuse waves 08:57 * cait waves 09:43 LibraryClaire mornin' all 09:48 * magnuse waves to LibraryClaire from norway 09:48 magnuse @wunder boo 09:48 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 AM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Rising). 09:48 magnuse 'twas 8 yesterday... 09:48 * LibraryClaire waves back from London 09:49 magnuse ooh, london! too long since i was there 09:50 LibraryClaire it's a bit grey and windy today 09:54 Joubu mtj: around? 10:03 liw @wunder torrevieja 10:03 huginn liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 14.5°C (11:02 AM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Steady). 10:11 magnuse liw: not too hot? 10:23 LibraryClaire @wunder london 10:23 huginn LibraryClaire: Error: No such location could be found. 10:23 LibraryClaire :( 10:26 liw magnuse, bloody cold, actually (mostly unheated flat) 10:39 magnuse liw: yeah, i can imagine that 10:41 liw lots and lots and lots of sunlight, though, which is why I'm here in the first place 10:45 magnuse ooh, that sounds nice 10:46 LibraryClaire sun does sound nice... 10:46 magnuse it's been 2-3 weeks since i saw the sun last, and it will be at least anoter 2 weeks before i see it again 10:46 LibraryClaire o.O 10:46 magnuse oh today is solstice! hooray! \o/ 10:47 nlegrand hey #koha ! 10:47 LibraryClaire it is :D 10:47 LibraryClaire hi nlegrand 10:47 magnuse kia ora nlegrand 10:48 nlegrand o/ LibraryClaire, magnuse 10:49 nlegrand I'm puzzled by something, perldoc.koha-community.org seems outdated: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/C4/Reserves.html#CanItemBeReserved the documentation is different in master and 3.20 10:50 magnuse hm, the page says "Last updated: Tue Dec 22 06:16:35 2015" 10:51 magnuse looks like gmcharlt is the one to ask about it 10:52 magnuse but i guess it could also have been changed between master and 3.20... 10:52 nlegrand maybe on koha list then? 10:53 magnuse yeah, or wait a couple hours and see if he's around then 10:53 magnuse does the website not match your local clone then? 10:53 nlegrand thanks :) 11:01 drojf hi #koha 11:02 drojf @later tell eythian LOL i arrived safely at the planned (non-amsterdamish) destination 11:02 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 11:03 LibraryClaire hi drojf 11:04 drojf someone up for a MARC question? i am wondering if is within the standard to catalogue a dependent record with 773 for the host item, if that host item is not in the catalogue? 11:04 drojf hi LibraryClaire 11:21 Amit_Gupta hi tcohen 11:38 ashimema drojf no idea if it's in spec.. but i'm wondering how it might work now 11:39 LibraryClaire drojf - I have put my cataloguing hat on but it's working slowly today... 11:40 ashimema actually.. 11:40 ashimema come to think of it I think it's totally in spec.. 11:40 ashimema but koha doesn't support it right now to that level 11:41 ashimema I wrote this lot up some time ago.. 11:41 ashimema http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Multipart_Bibliographics 11:41 drojf koha would set a link to nowhere, that would have to be fixed in the xslt 11:41 ashimema that was my understanding of those linkings 11:42 ashimema I 'think' from memory it's to do with the combination of 001 + 003 for the identifier.. 11:42 ashimema which koha doesn't do.. 11:42 drojf personally, i don't think its a good way to do it. the library says "we only got those copies from xy and having the host in the catalogue is confusing, because we don't have it". i would say "have no item record for the host, but use it as a source of information anyway" 11:43 drojf ashimema: yes, it has, only not in koha. but in this case, they dont want to set a link to somehwere else, but link to nowhere, just put the host info in the constituent records 11:43 ashimema so for 'proper' catalogueing I think the 773_w should actually be the combination of 003+001 11:43 drojf yes 11:43 drojf you are right there. koha is missing that 11:43 ashimema but in our case.. if you turn on the 001 stuff, then it's only actually looking at the 001.. not the combination 11:44 drojf yep. i hope stockholm has to fix that for us for their union stuff :P 11:44 ashimema how odd.. having the link not go anywhere at all makes no sense to me at all. 11:44 drojf thats what i think 11:45 ashimema I could possibly envisage a local catalogue wanting to analyz a set, but having the actual host item only available via an ILL for instance.. 11:45 drojf and the data is there, it does not make sense to throw it out, in my opinion 11:45 ashimema but why bother analyzing it at all if your not going to allow any way to retrive the full item? 11:46 ashimema totally.. I was really hoping for some funding to fix out 001_003 stuff... 11:46 ashimema but alas.. it never came to anything.. 11:46 ashimema I spent ages getting my head around it though.. 11:46 ashimema hesne those wiki pages ;) 11:46 ashimema I'm still not 100% sure they're entirely correct (I'm no librarian).. so if anyone wanting to correct them please do ;) 11:47 ashimema woop woop, bdfoy fix Business::ISBN for me :) 11:48 ashimema I love it when cpan authors are responsive :) 11:48 cait drojf: we remove the links if no $w link 11:48 cait for a library 11:48 cait so it's only text 11:48 cait with jquery 11:48 cait the basic problem is that the link is just a guess... you never actually know if the host item is in the catalog or not 11:48 ashimema indeed.. it's doing a search is it not 11:48 drojf yes that is another thing. they dont have control numbers 11:48 ashimema from memory at least.. 11:49 drojf but a second problem ;) 11:49 ashimema the link is // search for item with matching 001 within the catalogue 11:49 drojf wasn't there an option to link to the bib number? i cant find it. maybe that was a local hack of someone 11:49 cait drojf: and you can use 001 + 035 11:49 cait btw 11:49 ashimema there is.. 'easyanalytics' I think it was called? 11:49 cait marcelr uses it that way 11:49 ashimema but you also have to turn off the syspref for the 001 linking stuff I beleive 11:49 drojf ashimema: ok that is not what i want to use 11:50 drojf yes 11:50 ashimema they're mutually exclusive? 11:50 cait currently yes 11:50 cait i think they shoudl have used a linking table... the way it works is not quite good 11:50 ashimema I'd like to see easy analytics go the way of the dodo.. and the proper control number analytics made easy to work with ;) 11:50 drojf +1 :) 11:51 ashimema used a linking table cait? 11:51 ashimema for easy analytics you mean? 11:52 cait yeah - i think the way it uses marc there is not quite good 11:52 drojf cait: you mean 001 or 0035? or a combination of both? 11:52 drojf 035 11:52 ashimema 035.. 11:52 cait i think the xslt/search link stil works if you do that - if i am not mistaken 11:53 cait drojf: i remember marcelr fixed my initial code so it woudl work with (orgcode)controlnumber in $w 11:53 cait but i am not sur ehow you could indicate in a way that there is no host item :( 11:53 Amit_Gupta heya cait 11:54 ashimema I don't have 035 in any of those wiki page notes.. 11:54 cait ok, i am confused... i better go and have christmas cookies and chocolate :) 11:54 ashimema lol 11:54 cait ashimema: it's not mandatory i'd say - and i am not sure if you'd need to change the index too to make it work perfectly 11:54 drojf another thing i cant find… there was an option to hide records from the search results. i think it was an option for items in a set or something. probably done with a marc controlfield. if that rings a bell for anyone… ;) otherwise i will dive into the xslt later 11:54 drojf (not sure if it was on zebra level or only in the display) 11:54 cait there is 942$n OpacSuppression and OpacHiddenItems 11:54 drojf no not those :) 11:55 drojf something else. cant really express :D 11:55 ashimema i know what you mean 11:55 ashimema on tic.. just finding it 11:56 ashimema hmm 11:56 drojf something with bib level, hiding, tralala :D 11:56 ashimema you sure it's not OpacHiddenItems? 11:56 drojf i was. but i will take a look. and fire up a dev vm 11:57 ashimema that's the one I was thinking of 11:57 ashimema works on marc based rules.. 11:57 ashimema unline OpacSuppression 11:57 drojf but it works on item level. i am thinking bib level 11:58 drojf or i misunderstand the syspref 11:59 ashimema K, no idea then I'm afraid.. been a few years since I've been into that area of code ;) 12:11 cait it hides the record if all items are hidden 12:12 cait that's the trick :) 12:12 cait but it's less perfect than opacsuppression - leaving holes in the result lists 12:39 drojf maybe what i had in mind was really only adding something like "not (bib-level:a or bib-level:b" to a search query to filter out component part records and i made the syspref part of that up 12:40 drojf in which case the opachiddenitems thing may be of more use for what in need now. thanks for the hints 12:40 drojf cait++ 12:40 drojf ashimema++ 12:41 ashimema :) 12:43 drojf my brain could use a new indexer 12:43 drojf drojf with elasticsearch, coming 2016 12:44 LibraryClaire :) 12:48 ashimema :) 12:59 oleonard Hi #koha 13:02 LibraryClaire_ hi oleonard 13:02 oleonard Hi LibraryClaire_ , I was just looking at the logs... You're in London? 13:03 ashimema she has a very pretty opac oleanard ;) 13:03 oleonard Well, do show 13:04 ashimema https://ual.koha-ptfs.co.uk/# 13:04 LibraryClaire_ goodness 13:04 ashimema they have a local url too I'm sure.. but I can't remember it 13:04 LibraryClaire_ yes, I'm in London :) 13:04 LibraryClaire_ libsearch.arts.ac.uk 13:05 oleonard Oooh, flat! 13:06 * ashimema likes the search dropdown 13:08 * LibraryClaire_ likes anything turquoise 13:09 oleonard @wunder 45701 13:09 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 13.2°C (8:09 AM EST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 13:11 cait LibraryClaire_: it's really pretty :) 13:12 cait wondering if this is actually a tuned koha opac or not :) 13:12 ashimema it's a cleverly tuned koha opac intermingled with their discovery service 13:13 cait ah, the facets looked unfamiliar 13:13 ashimema which is deep web 13:14 ashimema sorry.. that's the company.. the product is explorit I think 13:14 LibraryClaire_ yes, explorit :) 13:14 LibraryClaire_ and thanks cait, we like it :D and so do the students 13:23 cait @wunder Konstanz 13:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (2:00 PM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Falling). 13:23 cait @wunder London, UK 13:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in London / Heathrow Airport, United Kingdom is 14.0°C (1:00 PM GMT on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 13:24 druthb @wunder 77447 13:24 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Blueberry Farm, Hockley, Texas is 12.7°C (6:50 AM CST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling). Dense fog advisory in effect until 10 am CST this morning... 13:24 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 13:24 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Stevenage, England, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 13.9°C (1:24 PM GMT on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 13:24 cait wow, even warmer than here 13:25 LibraryClaire_ oh, it didn't like it when I asked it about London earlier... I didn't put UK though... 13:28 ashimema yeah.. there are too many londons out there. 13:28 ashimema not sure how it works out the default 13:32 * LibraryClaire_ wondered if it meant she could go home ;) 13:36 * ashimema just found a piece of example code left in one of the apps he's about to push to procution.. 13:37 ashimema in rare circumstances, it would render 'Bite my shiny metal ass!'.. oops, that's not very professional 13:37 LibraryClaire_ hahahaha 13:38 nlegrand :) 13:39 cait LibraryClaire_: i think ti also works with airport codes 13:40 cait only i can never remember them :) 13:40 LibraryClaire_ @wunder MUC 13:40 huginn LibraryClaire_: The current temperature in Munich, Germany is 14.0°C (2:20 PM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 13:40 LibraryClaire_ haha! :D 13:40 oleonard @wunder CMH 13:40 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in The Crossing, Columbus, Ohio is 11.3°C (8:30 AM EST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 13:41 oleonard @wunder ATO 13:41 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is 12.0°C (8:15 AM EST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 13:41 oleonard That's better. 13:41 oleonard ATO = Tiny little Ohio University airport. 13:42 LibraryClaire_ :) 13:42 ashimema universities in the US have airports! 13:43 oleonard "for the university's aviation related initiatives" 13:43 oleonard https://www.ohio.edu/airport/ 13:44 ashimema cool 13:44 ashimema so are you now back to the koha world for a while oleanard.? 13:44 ashimema we missed you 13:44 ashimema well.. I did at least ;) 13:44 oleonard :) 13:45 oleonard I am back, although I'm still never able to be full time on Koha 13:46 ashimema 'tis a shame.. but understandable 13:47 * ashimema also has to split his time between koha and other projects allot now.. 13:47 ashimema the time when I used to be 99% koha are gone.. more like 30% now 13:54 oleonard When oh when is a brilliant and/or insane billionaire going to provide us unlimited funding for Koha development? 13:55 oleonard Maybe we need a Koha foundation first. 13:56 jcamins oleonard: maybe a name first. 13:56 * ashimema has gone back to playing with minions [http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Minion] 13:57 * oleonard proposes "Koha-USA-Athens-Ohio-Owen's-House" because travel is expensive. 13:57 jcamins oleonard: works for me! I think. How's your cooking? 13:57 ashimema hehe 13:58 oleonard I don't know jcamins all my kids want are bananas. 14:02 jcamins oleonard: I don't like bananas at all, so that might be a bad sign. 14:03 jcamins Maybe Koha-Germany-Konstanz-cait's-house? Good food there. 14:07 oleonard Sure, if you want to be racist against people in USA-Athens-Ohio-Owen's-House. 14:08 drojf lol 14:10 drojf i'm sorry to say that i am a little surprised such a discussion happens among "information specialists" 14:10 drojf not that one here, that on the list of course 15:02 cait i have a user group at my plce now? 15:02 cait i better go home then :) 15:10 druthb I'll come keynote at the Konstanz Koha UG. 15:11 druthb Don't know what I'd keynote *about*, but I'd figure something out. 15:14 cait heh 15:15 liw backups. backups are always a good topic for talks. 15:15 nengard heh 15:15 * druthb walks backwards onto the stage. 15:16 druthb Keynotes are supposed to be inspiring rah-rah speeches. Somehow, "your system will eventually fall over and die, so make backups" doesn't sound very inspiring. 15:17 liw sounds very inspiring to me, but I seem to have a history of getting overly excited about backups 15:18 druthb . . . You need more excitement in your life, maybe? 15:18 oleonard druthb: Maybe if you did one of those super-fast whiteboard drawings at the same time? 15:18 druthb lol. 15:19 druthb I love those things! I can't draw worth a darn, though. 15:23 * liw has more than enough excitement _implementing_ backup software that others use and get upset about if it loses all their backups again 15:52 cait drojf: can you check the po files maybe? 15:52 cait i forgot and have to run to the bus now - not sure when the release is 16:03 reiveune bye 16:54 LibraryClaire_ logging off for now :) 18:02 gaetan_B1 bye 18:31 oleonard "Well *I* think 'America' means 'U.S.A.'" is not very convincing is it? 18:31 oleonard I keep thinking I'm going to post again in that stupid thread and I keep giving up. 18:33 kidclamp I have started typing so many times and then slowly backed away 18:56 rangi oleonard: yup, me too 18:56 rangi on the upside that thread contains the best email by Paul A ever 18:59 * cait waves 18:59 oleonard That is an, uh... interesting upside. 18:59 cait christmas shopping... 2 days before christmas... what was I thinking 18:59 * eythian catches up on the thread 19:00 eythian It just keeps giving 19:00 eythian In other news, i have apartment keys in my pocket right now. 19:00 ibeardslee yay 19:01 cait :) 19:01 cait christmas present to yourself? 19:01 eythian Only 1,450 per month 19:01 eythian cait: pretty much will have to be 😀 19:01 rangi only 19:01 rangi yowzer 19:01 cait totally crazy.... 19:02 gmcharlt @quote random 19:02 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #313: "<rangi> DO NOT DO THIS ON PRODUCTION UNLESS YOU HAVE DONE IT ON TEST FIRST AND IT WORKED" (added by wizzyrea at 01:51 AM, January 23, 2015) 19:02 cait @quote random 19:02 huginn cait: Quote #174: "paul_p I answer to SLEF" (added by Brooke at 10:16 AM, January 04, 2012) 19:02 cait hi gmcharlt 19:02 cait :) 19:02 gmcharlt rangi: you need to speak up more, I could barely hear that... ;) 19:05 rangi hmm no c in te reo mÄori 19:05 drojf works on the very recent koha 3.8 19:05 drojf in. whatever 19:06 drojf [off] i'm tired, i want booze 19:06 drojf [off] but look, more migration data. yeah! 19:07 cait [off] the life of a koha support provider... you chose it ;) 19:07 drojf oh my favourite email thread got a lot of replies :D 19:07 cait yeah, just working through them 19:08 drojf oh look, another great "america" related name. lol 19:08 drojf this can't be true 19:11 LibraryClaire haha, excellent, more emails to read once I get off the train :D 19:12 * rangi uses it as a teaching opportunity 19:13 rangi also, it might be just me 19:13 rangi but i think finding a name that offends the least number of people is actually a useful task, not one to be derided, what is to be derided is not caring if you offend someone 19:14 drojf i was thinking something similar when i read that 19:14 drojf so, no, its not only you :) 19:15 rangi :) 19:15 drojf kohanorthamericareactions: when someone asks you to rename your group http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/064/268/girl_gun_fuck_yeah1.jpg 19:15 drojf sorry ^^ 19:17 cait i like KohaUS and Koha4US best so far i think 19:17 rangi yeah, they both seem fine to me 19:17 drojf yes, they are the only ones having US in them. which is the point 19:17 rangi ohh that authority records .. much better thread :) 19:18 gmcharlt given what authority records do... the threads could end up being mashed up :) 19:18 rangi heh 19:22 drojf [off] ha, salmon and white wine from new zealand. later :D 19:23 rangi [off] enjoy :) 19:24 cait why off that? 19:24 cait :) 19:26 Dyrcona :) 19:29 Dyrcona [off] It ought to be 'Merican, which rhymes with.... 19:30 Dyrcona On an unrelated note: A library director is having a phone conversation outside my office about where the fire alarm shut off is..... 19:30 * rangi upgrades his kids school koha 19:30 rangi http://obs.library.workbuffer.org/ 19:30 Dyrcona Sweet as, bro. 19:31 rangi :) 19:31 rangi now to write some monit rules for zebra 19:32 rangi mtj: you use monit a bit eh? 20:47 rangi hmm first attempt is a bit overly aggressive 20:48 rangi ohh i can fix that 20:49 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "monit zebra" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/235 22:35 drojf1 cait1: can't test today. is the release really coming on 24th? on the translate list itr was "in a week" on 17th 22:35 cait1 not sure 22:35 drojf1 will try to find some time tomorr 22:35 drojf1 ow 22:35 cait1 let's see who gets it done first 22:36 cait1 yeah metoo - 22:37 drojf1 a race, yeah! :D 22:37 drojf1 good night #koha 22:37 rangi cya drojf1 22:39 cait1 ah, now i was too slow