Time Nick Message
23:59 dcook Let's see if I can remember how to read iptables..
23:57 dcook [off] :(
23:57 cait [off] mailing list... paul a *sigh*
23:56 dcook That's neat
23:56 dcook Huh... apparently you can download YAZ for Windows
23:44 dcook Indeed... that was it
23:44 dcook Ah perhaps I'm screwing up the MarcEdit format..
23:42 dcook I assume that's just an example app..
23:42 dcook Looks like something hard-coded to ID 1...
23:41 dcook 999$d?
23:41 dcook https://github.com/reeset/koha_api/blob/master/koha_reference_app/koha_reference_app/Form1.cs
23:41 dcook Also never worked with desktop GUIs..
23:41 dcook Oh maybe there is something in the forms..
23:39 dcook Although this is probably my first time reading C# so..
23:39 dcook But it doesn't actually say which field/subfield it's using to get the ID...
23:38 dcook So this is the C# API for MarcEdit-Koha integration... https://github.com/reeset/koha_api/blob/master/koha_api/Bib_Actions.cs
23:30 dcook Oh my... and I just got MarcEdit to crash..
23:28 dcook Was able to create a record but not update it..
23:26 dcook Yikes this default MARC record is baaad
23:25 wahanui and ever, amen.
23:25 dcook Whatever..
23:24 dcook It was a URL error..
23:24 dcook Ah, there we go
23:23 dcook Errr
23:23 dcook Error Message: Undefined authorization error
23:22 dcook Silent errors now..
23:21 dcook Maybe I'm just doing it wrong but errors coming out of everywhere..
23:21 dcook Trying it again now and MarcEdit is just freaking out at me
23:21 dcook I tried to integrate MarcEdit and Koha ages ago and it didn't work
23:20 dcook Man... looking at that MarcEdit post
23:20 dcook zed totally sounds nicer
23:18 wizzyrea but zed sounds nicer, tbh
23:18 wizzyrea man I catch myself on that one all the time.
23:17 dcook I never thought about people saying "Zee 39.50" instead of "Zed 39.50". I guess it's good that I went from Canada to Australia :p
22:52 dcook Yeah, I need to minimize this window
22:52 dcook hehe
22:52 francesca nice enough that the cats dont come in till about 10pm at night
22:52 wizzyrea gfdi stop being so entertaining I have patches to push!
22:51 wizzyrea well, awesome really. little chilly yesterday
22:51 wizzyrea no, it's been ok this week :)
22:51 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
22:51 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
22:51 francesca though we havent had a bad week as far as wellington standards go
22:51 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (9:30 AM AEDT on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
22:51 dcook @wunder syd
22:51 francesca indeed
22:51 wizzyrea spoiled by good weather, they are.
22:51 wizzyrea this doesn't surprise me, tbh.
22:51 francesca seriosuly?
22:51 francesca hahaha
22:51 wizzyrea you have to laugh in the rain, otherwise you'd be grumpy all the time.
22:50 dcook It was good. Lots of Sydneysiders seem to think they'll melt in the rain
22:50 dcook haha
22:50 wizzyrea he's a wellingtonian. it's reflex.
22:50 dcook Actually, he's one of the few people I've encountered in Sydney who laughed while getting soaked in a storm ;)
22:50 dcook He seemed in a good mood :)
22:50 * wizzyrea hopes he's brilliantly happy
22:50 wizzyrea :)
22:49 wizzyrea lol, reading fail.
22:49 wizzyrea \o/
22:49 wizzyrea oh did you hook up with cjh?
22:49 dcook Now wizzyrea is the only Catalyst/former Catalyst person I need to meet!
22:49 dcook Oh, I met up with cjh last night
22:48 * francesca as well
22:48 * dcook likes being rage-free
22:48 * wizzyrea too
22:48 dcook Sometimes I do skip over emails O_O
22:48 dcook I must've missed the bad stuff then as I don't see it in my inbox
22:48 wizzyrea just skip over that one guy's messages and you'll be rage-free
22:48 wizzyrea ah yeah there's nothing really bad today. :)
22:48 dcook Hmm to read listserv or not to read listserv... that is the question..
22:45 pianohacker bbl
22:45 pianohacker heh, thanks y'all
22:43 * dcook hasn't done anything piano related in over 20 years
22:43 dcook pianohacker: They're what's wrong with the world today!
22:43 wahanui francesca: I forgot francesca
22:43 francesca wahanui forget francesca
22:43 francesca pianohacker: not sure not familiar with them
22:42 wahanui francesca, I didn't have anything matching me
22:42 francesca wahanui: forget me
22:42 pianohacker hey francesca: out of curiosity, what are your feelings on the Hanon piano exercises (if you're familiar with them)?
22:42 dcook You're a regular!
22:42 francesca why should I put myself on the wiki?
22:42 dcook You should put yourself on the wiki too :p
22:42 wahanui a defender of bots rights till the end of time
22:42 dcook hey francesca
22:42 * francesca waves at dcook
22:42 dcook I was actually thinking this morning about how one might teach a child about Wikipedia and accessing information critically on the Internet...
22:41 dac Oh, that's not me
22:41 dac I wonder what the protocol is for taking other people off the wiki
22:28 Xellos it's my magical escape
22:27 Xellos that and the magical ponies in my closet
22:27 Xellos It's the closest thing to magic i've found
22:26 barton it surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the universe together...
22:26 wizzyrea enough identifying information to find one person out of all of them? (check)
22:26 wizzyrea magic global network that connects all people? (check)
22:25 Xellos i think this is him prob
22:25 Xellos http://klear.com/profile/sekjal
22:25 wizzyrea it's 2015, I sure hope so. :)
22:24 Xellos any way to contact him?
22:22 wizzyrea wonder how he's doing
22:22 wizzyrea ah I hadn't thought about sekjal in ages
22:20 wizzyrea Wizzyrea: annoying #koha since 2008 (tm)
22:20 wizzyrea that should be my byline.
22:20 * wizzyrea has been annoying #koha since 2008
22:16 wizzyrea that kind of depends on where you are :)
22:09 Xellos kinda old now, will do another video sometime soon
22:08 Xellos since we're posting links https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOkF-TnSICs this is my electric car test ride
22:06 barton Oh, by the way, searching for bug numbers in the IRC log is an awesome way to find information.
22:06 Xellos and it looks like wizzyrea went to sleep at 3:30-4:00 AM this morning lol
22:05 Xellos also log files for IRC here http://irc.koha-community.org/koha
22:04 * kidclamp still testing this nick, will remain wnickc in the list for the moment
22:04 Xellos yeah, it's a frekin' wiki
22:04 barton *hint* *hint* ... add yourself to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars if you haven't done so already :-)
22:03 barton iirc, IRC_Regulars still shows Ian Walls as part of Bywater Solutions... and there are a number of regulars who are missing.
22:02 Xellos yup, you are officially a regular
22:00 wahanui hmmm... irc regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
22:00 wizzyrea irc regulars?
21:59 wizzyrea so I see it
21:59 wizzyrea you can add me as a cc as well
21:59 wizzyrea "hi, I want this for 3.18 someone helllllp"
21:58 wizzyrea ah, if you want it, you should open it up again
21:58 barton kidclamp: yes, prioritization is a huge problem for me. ;-)
21:58 kidclamp his ticket :-D
21:57 kidclamp that's barton's problem :-)
21:57 wizzyrea I can't prioritise it though >.<
21:57 wizzyrea it might be a simple rebase, you just never know.
21:57 wizzyrea excellent bug sleuthing
21:56 wizzyrea :)
21:56 wizzyrea Doesn't apply on 3.18.x please rebase if you think it is needed
21:56 wizzyrea \o/
21:56 huginn` 04Bug 13992: normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, CLOSED FIXED, Software error in reports if field or table does not exist
21:56 kidclamp wizzyrea, I found it! http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13992
21:50 Xellos it looks a lot better
21:49 wizzyrea you reminded me :)
21:49 Xellos great job all powerful admin
21:48 wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/
21:48 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
21:48 misilot very true
21:48 wizzyrea they probably know they deserve it >.>
21:48 Xellos ha
21:48 misilot amazingly they don't seem to call us when we charge them $1000
21:47 wizzyrea if you do.
21:47 wizzyrea and they won't let you forget it.
21:47 wizzyrea because they are almost certainly going to call you up and ask what's up if they're going to get a fine if the library made a mistake
21:47 wizzyrea checkin/checkout notices are especially important to borrowers if a mistake could incur an annoying fine or fee.
21:45 Xellos ah ic
21:45 misilot Xellos: IT person as well, though for the library systems. We let Campus IT manage the mail servers and other core systems
21:44 Xellos sry, I'm an IT person. I generally control the mail services
21:44 misilot Xellos: don't control the mail server
21:43 Xellos just put a filter on the outgoing mail server
21:43 wizzyrea but if I got a checkout, immediately followed by a checkin, that might seem less weird.
21:43 wizzyrea for me, yeah I'd feel weird if a book I'd checked out a week ago and returned suddenly sent me a notice
21:43 wizzyrea *nod* patron confidence is important
21:43 misilot it is something to discuss I guess with administration as an idea if the complaining gets to be too much
21:42 wizzyrea yeah, idk what's worse ^.^
21:42 misilot other then getting two emails :P
21:42 wizzyrea yeah they'd get two, but they'd not have a reason to complain
21:42 wizzyrea so people are notified when things are checked in
21:42 wizzyrea would be to enable the check-in message
21:42 wizzyrea see a way around that complaining problem
21:42 wizzyrea aha
21:42 misilot we don't send checkin
21:42 wizzyrea or do you not enable that
21:42 wizzyrea but doesn't send a check-in as well?
21:41 misilot when we process a KOC file, that has both a checkin and checkout of a book. It sends a checkout message
21:41 wizzyrea ^ this seems more wrong
21:41 wizzyrea so when you check it in, it sends a checkout message?
21:41 misilot sorry, can't read/type apparently
21:41 wizzyrea :)
21:41 wizzyrea lol.
21:41 misilot i mean checkout* sorry
21:41 wizzyrea yeah
21:41 wizzyrea aha
21:41 misilot checkin message
21:41 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot checkout
21:41 wizzyrea forget checkout
21:41 wahanui checkout is probably probably better in this case.
21:41 wizzyrea or checkout?
21:40 wizzyrea wait are you sending checkin messages?
21:40 misilot wizzyrea: thanks ya it sends email with checkouts that had been checked in. We get users that "complain" and are like, I returned it already. Figured I would ask. Thank you again!
21:39 Xellos *moderator
21:39 Xellos just noticed your a monderator lol
21:38 Xellos oh nice
21:37 wizzyrea I know, I run it. :)
21:37 Xellos yeah the webpage hasn't been updated yet
21:37 wizzyrea so that's where it was. This year it's in greece but we don't have updated info for that conf yet.
21:37 wizzyrea there are koha users there, they put in a bid, and they got the most votes.
21:36 Xellos haha
21:36 wizzyrea that's on you, not them.
21:36 Xellos lol, seems like that's the last place i would want to be
21:36 wizzyrea why wouldn't it be?
21:35 Xellos why the heck is the kohacon held in nigeria?
21:29 wizzyrea but that seems like a daft amount of work
21:29 wizzyrea namely, retroactively setting all notices off by turning it off for the category, updating all of the borrowers using the script, doing the import, then reversing your change and doing another batch update
21:29 wizzyrea there would be ways around that
21:29 wizzyrea (mind you, I haven't checked and I can't prioritise that right now)
21:28 wizzyrea and it seems likely to me that there's no condition there to do the checkouts any differently than a standard one
21:28 wizzyrea it being the circ import
21:28 wizzyrea misilot: I haven't tested that, but I suspect that it uses the same routines to do the checkout
21:22 misilot when offline circulation files are imported, can checkout notices be disabled for anything that had already been checked in (at the time the files were imported)? not sure if I am missing something somewhere
21:06 wizzyrea heh
21:06 barton yeah, I know about the MM... I have a feeling that the next RM may be trying that again ;-)
21:05 wizzyrea yeah, that's the internal bz documentation
21:05 wizzyrea blocked means another bug stands in it's way
21:04 wizzyrea "the bug exists"
21:04 wizzyrea verified means "yes I have replicated this"
21:04 barton Ah... welll http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_status
21:04 wizzyrea pushed for qa goes with that.
21:04 wizzyrea or hasn't yet
21:04 wizzyrea MM was an idea we had, it never really flew
21:03 wizzyrea those are bz default statuses.
21:03 barton Yeah ... I've seen that... I wasn't clear on the resolved/fixed status.... and bugzilla also has RESOLVED, VERIFIED, CLOSED, BLOCKED, Pushed by Module Maintainer and Pushed for QA, which aren't documented in the Development Workflow.
21:01 pastebot "geek_cl" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "why ?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/202
20:55 wizzyrea it's not that compicated. nengard has a flow chart on your website for it.
20:55 wizzyrea heh
20:55 barton Ok ... well. looks like i knew more of the process that I thought I did.
20:53 wizzyrea but I am supremely lazy :)
20:53 wizzyrea at least not ones that are "resolved fixed"
20:53 wizzyrea I'd rather not have to do an advanced search to find closed ones.
20:52 barton Ah, I see under Roles 'Bug closer: the person who checked that the bug is now fixed. Can be the reporter, it's preferred that the patch writer is not the closer.'
20:52 wizzyrea because the default search leaves them out
20:52 wizzyrea personally I don't like closing them
20:52 wizzyrea sometimes the rm does it
20:51 wizzyrea no.
20:51 barton Ah, so I guess part of my question is step 9: The bug is marked resolved/fixed by the 'bug closer'. -- do we have a designated bug closer?
20:50 * wizzyrea isn't certain what info you're looking for
20:49 wizzyrea barton ^
20:49 wizzyrea development workflow is <reply> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_workflow
20:48 wizzyrea hm.
20:48 wizzyrea development workflow
20:48 wizzyrea humans do that
20:47 barton or RM manual, I guess.
20:47 barton is there a QA manual or something I could refer to?
20:47 barton my question is a bit meta -- is there a table somewhere that has a list of the bug statuses in bugzilla, and when the statuses would change? I seem to get caught trying to find old stuff after major releases, and I'm never sure what process is involved that triggers status changes.
20:42 barton I'm going to camp on to wnickc's questoin a bit...
20:38 wizzyrea :)
20:38 wnickc back in a bit
20:38 wnickc no shoe libraries? realia offers many crazy possibilities
20:37 wizzyrea well there might be thingies in Koha, there definitely won't be shoes.
20:37 wizzyrea hehe
20:37 wnickc thats whhat I select
20:37 wnickc that's better than shoes
20:34 wizzyrea select thingie from items < I make myself laugh
20:33 wizzyrea though that one's a little fuzzy
20:33 wizzyrea it'd be a "feature" so probably not backported, yeah
20:33 wizzyrea 3.20*
20:32 wizzyrea I thought that came in on 3.2
20:32 wnickc alirght, present through 3.18.x but fixed in 3.20.x
20:32 wizzyrea so, that works in 3.23, the fancy error messages
20:32 wizzyrea ^.^
20:32 wizzyrea I clicked the wrong button
20:32 wizzyrea no, that's me.
20:32 wizzyrea oh wait
20:32 wizzyrea I don't think I'm keen...
20:31 wizzyrea omg, the report create interface has steps now
20:31 wizzyrea keke.
20:31 wizzyrea also yes, it's still smooshy on 3.23
20:30 wnickc seems reasonable
20:30 wizzyrea (i'm not going to go back into 3.16, sorry.)
20:29 wizzyrea I didn't look at the display ^.^
20:29 wizzyrea the software error
20:29 wnickc the display or the software error?
20:24 wizzyrea that happens all the way back to 3.18.0
20:24 wizzyrea so
20:24 wizzyrea right,
20:24 wizzyrea yep, that one :)
20:24 wnickc it's there
20:24 wnickc you know technically speaking
20:24 wnickc whre the filter is all squished over stuff
20:23 * wizzyrea makes a note to check master for the strange looking layout on the "saved reports" page
20:20 wizzyrea yay, that's helpful. thanks
20:20 wnickc if you enter an unknown column name
20:20 wnickc For help, please send mail to the webmaster (staff@bywatersolutions.com), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
20:20 wnickc Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/reports/guided_reports.pl line 935.
20:20 wnickc Software error:
20:19 wnickc present in 3.18.09
20:18 wizzyrea http://38.media.tumblr.com/342094af268306e3171c2e83a22a4f49/tumblr_natf4uG1Uc1qgwwkpo5_250.gif
20:18 wnickc one sec
20:18 wizzyrea bc if it's a regression I can find it and burn it with acid.
20:17 wizzyrea wnickc: if you can be specific about the version that would be helpful
20:17 wnickc I thought it was resolved too
20:17 wnickc okey doke
20:16 wizzyrea well I'll try a couple of things, make a bug if it pops up again and I'll have a nosey
20:16 wnickc and now cannot locate
20:15 wnickc I swear I saw this bug
20:15 wnickc it's when you have a syntax error in report (unrecognized column name or something) and you get a software error instead of a nice error
20:15 wizzyrea )
20:15 wizzyrea (for example
20:15 wizzyrea right, and what kind of report are you trying to run that gives you an error
20:14 wizzyrea hehe it's true.
20:14 wahanui wizzyrea is so dumb at rewrite rules.
20:14 wnickc wizzyrea
20:14 wnickc or 10
20:13 wnickc I think 3.18.9
20:12 wizzyrea version is always noted in a comment at the top of the view source in the OPAC
20:12 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot version
20:12 wizzyrea forget version
20:12 wahanui version is always noted in a comment on top
20:12 wizzyrea forget what version
20:12 wahanui it has been said that version is always noted in a comment on top
20:12 wizzyrea wnickc: what version?
20:11 wizzyrea hi
19:55 wnickc where it was giving software errors instead of useful ones
19:40 wnickc ?
19:40 wnickc anyone recall a bug about erros in reports
18:29 oleonard Bye #koha
18:01 Joubu bye
17:47 gaetan_B bye
16:55 cbrannon KohaNA meeting starting in 5 minutes (11am Central). If you would like to voice your opinion, contribute, or simply want to listen in, you can join this meeting by visiting <https://kslib.zoom.us/j/657929919>. This meeting will take the form of a multi-party video-chat, however, you do not need to have a webcam to participate.
16:39 Joubu if the .raw is not specified, the var will be escaped and the html won't be display correctly
16:38 Joubu for instance, if html comes from the DB, the variable should not be escaped in the template ([% var.raw %])
16:38 Joubu oleonard: The goal is to find regression about variable escaping
16:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
16:35 oleonard Joubu: I'm still confused about how to help with Bug 13618. What should I be testing?
16:34 Joubu some useless cpu cycles have been lost there
16:33 Joubu exists since 2006
16:32 Joubu to finally... tadam... display the title + surname + firstname of the patron
16:32 Joubu Whaou, crazy. For any pages opened from the staff interface, the GetMemberDetails is called, which call GetMemberAccountRecords which the items infos for all accountlines entries
16:17 huginn` 04Bug 14610: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add ability to place article requests in Koha
16:17 nengard_phone qa folks, where does http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14610 stand in your queues for qa? getting asked by the library that sponsored it
16:09 Joubu iirc I have managed to generated it easily
16:09 Joubu but it's the only decent one I have found so far
16:09 oleonard Is that a problem?
16:08 Joubu I don't think so
16:08 oleonard Is there a Debian package for Template::Stash::AutoEscaping?
16:08 Joubu if you think about some specific fields...
16:07 Joubu it could be an issue for html/js retrieved from the DB
16:07 Joubu oleonard: Bernado caught issues when editing records (because of html/js generated from pl/pm)
16:06 Joubu The weird pages you can only access after 3 clicks
16:06 Joubu oleonard: The patches have already been tested deeply (I suppose they have), so I'd say the page testers could have forgotten :)
16:05 oleonard Joubu: Is there any particular test plan besides "Poke every page which was changed" ? Or are there certain things which need to be tested?
16:04 reiveune bye
15:57 Joubu no worries :)
15:56 oleonard Oh sorry I didn't see that
15:56 Joubu the patches are not up-to-date
15:56 Joubu oleonard: use the remote branch please
15:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
15:54 oleonard Joubu: When using git-bz to apply patches for Bug 13618, "fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/modules/opac-authoritiessearchresultlist.tt)"
15:50 ccordova Configure need to check before saving the ISBN registration and so avoid having duplicate records
15:49 cait ccordova: you can also set up rules for authoritiy import
15:47 ccordova If Setup coincidentally where the record for cataloging module ?
15:45 ccordova in management of Koha > Record matching rules . It is only for import of bibliographic records ?.
15:45 ccordova Hi , I 'm trying to set coincidentally bibliographic records to avoid duplicate records.
15:41 cait this is #koha!
15:41 cait not really
15:41 Joubu (that was completely off topic)
15:40 Shane-S Maybe...there is an open source app snipeit that seemed great, but it lacked the quick and easy barcode and scanner Koha has.
15:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
15:40 Joubu (bug 13618 needs urgently a signoff)
15:38 cait some libraries might be interested in using it that way :)
15:38 cait maybe you could also think about a plugin
15:37 Shane-S maybe I can try and code a module and embed it with an iframe or something.
15:31 cait it's not quite made for that i think
15:30 Shane-S Some software out there, but it seems to be lacking that User and Device level of connectivity.
15:29 Shane-S cait: yeah...have to write my own little program I think, I was hoping to use Koha so the Librarian and I would be logging damage together so we could track bad kid or problem items (like a series of laptops with a keyboard issue)
15:27 cait is it today?
15:27 * drojf sighs
15:27 drojf i don't have time for this
15:27 drojf awesome, network problems
15:26 cait you could adda note in the patron account
15:26 Shane-S cait: okay...thought so...surprised..I would think I library would like to track users who tend to damage stuff.
15:25 cait and there is no way to link a patron to it
15:25 cait hm, i think a date is not saved - maybe you can see it in the cataloguing logs
15:24 Shane-S cait: but I can't have like a log, where a user can just put a value in and have it save (with a datestamp and user checked out ID). Basically I am trying to track damage to stuff, and get a way to report on students creating the damage electronics/books/anything tracked
15:20 cait look for DAMAGED in adminsitration > authorised values
15:20 cait you can change what shows in the pull down and have multiple values
15:20 cait Shane-S: Damaged is an authorised value
15:12 Shane-S Q: Is there a way to entered damage without changing the status, sort of like a log. I am doing it for electronics, but a book example might be "torn page". All I see is an option to change to damaged.
15:11 geek_cl why ?
14:45 geek_cl new items only appears when do a full rebuild-zebra, not the incremental on cronjobs.
14:44 pastebot "geek_cl" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "reviewing the perms of zebra and cronjobs." (272 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198
14:41 geek_cl here still fighting with the zebra index
14:36 geek_cl Hi #koha !
14:34 misilot is there a duplicate circ rule option in Koha somewhere? :) would make having to copy about 20 rules a lot easier.
14:30 magnuse http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/beijing-issues-red-alert-over-smog-levels-first-time isn't bag in china now?
13:51 drojf got to do some shopping for tomorrow. later #koha
13:49 drojf i have another seminar next week ;)
13:49 drojf ok no problem
13:49 paul_p but will do asap !
13:49 paul_p drojf can't send it today, sorry (not ready/readable)
13:49 drojf i'd try the french version to get an idea ;)
13:48 paul_p drojf yes... in french. translating them in english (and writing a global unique document in french) is on my todo list...
13:47 drojf paul_p: people would probably be very interested in coral integration. are there any notes/ideas written down somehere about it?
13:47 paul_p if you have only 3 hours don't waste your time mentioning me ;-)
13:47 drojf oh btw…
13:46 drojf but i will mention paul_p ;)
13:43 drojf and there needs to be time for questions too
13:43 drojf oleonard: it sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. i split it in 1,5h for system stuff and 1,5h for modules and usage… and preparing it, i think i could easily be twice the time if i am not careful :D
13:41 oleonard "only" 3 hours :)
13:40 drojf berlin, tomorrow. just a ittle one, i'm giving an overview, it's only ~3 hours
13:38 paul_p drojf koha seminar ? when and where ?
13:37 drojf paul_p: sorry, busy finishing things for koha seminar tomorrow :)
13:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, CLOSED FIXED, svc API should allow modification of items
13:34 paul_p 7728, not 7729
13:34 paul_p oups...
13:34 paul_p drojf = bz 7729 need a signoff ;-)
13:34 paul_p drojf = bug 7729 need a signoff ;-)
13:32 drojf great!
13:31 paul_p drojf thanks ! fixed
13:30 drojf for git-bz, not koha :)
13:30 drojf checkout the fishsoup branch and try again
13:30 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Get_git-bz
13:30 drojf its in the first part
13:30 paul_p nope, I'm on master branch...
13:29 drojf wait
13:29 drojf oh
13:29 * paul_p check again
13:29 paul_p but no fishsoup branch...
13:29 drojf ok that should be in there
13:29 paul_p drojf I followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
13:29 drojf paul_p: did you get the fishsoup branch of git-bz? (or whats it called)
13:29 paul_p bz.default-product=Koha
13:29 paul_p bz.default-tracker=bugs.koha-community.org
13:28 paul_p bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.bz-password=blablabla
13:28 paul_p bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.bz-user=paul.poulain@biblibre.com
13:28 paul_p bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.path=/bugzilla3
13:27 paul_p I think git bz is correctly configured:
13:27 paul_p Failed to attach patch to bug 7728, status=200
13:27 paul_p <link href="data/assets/a20619e3724298545775187a20becc70.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
13:27 paul_p <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
13:27 paul_p <title>Log in to Bugzilla</title>
13:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7728 normal, P4, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fixing subscription endddate inconsistency: should be empty when the subscription is running
13:27 paul_p <head>
13:27 paul_p <html lang="en">
13:27 paul_p <!DOCTYPE html>
13:27 paul_p Attach? [yn] y
13:27 paul_p git bz attach give me a nasty "044de78 Bug 7728: fix subs history end date consistency
13:26 paul_p hi oleonard
13:26 paul_p git bz apply work well.
13:26 * oleonard waves to paul_p
13:26 paul_p I'm trying to setup git-bz on my new virtual machine.
13:26 paul_p anyone around that could help with a git-bz setup problem ?
13:14 ashimema and it also integrates with out Cash Management piece.. which is only likely to get submitted after the accounts system is more stable.
13:13 ashimema wpm is also very UK centric.. so i didn't think it would stand the remotest chance of getting into community..
13:12 ashimema so our Online Payments (which is for the provider in the UK called WPM) is coded outside of koha.. then parachuted in via opacuserjs
13:11 ashimema what i decided was that it was too hard to generalise it..
13:11 ashimema I did indeed..
13:11 cait ashimema: didn't you do work on online payments too or am i confusing htings? *scratches head*
13:11 cait ... I should take a break
13:11 ashimema different martin ;)
13:10 cait morning tc
13:09 cait and i thik this ashimema-martin might have done something similar actually
13:09 cait me neither :)
13:09 * oleonard wasn't paying attention
13:08 cait oh
13:08 cait hm why the wrong martin?
13:08 * oleonard has the wrong martin anyway
13:08 cait who coves all the different payment methods and forwards the money to the library
13:07 cait i think the preferred way here would be to use a provider
13:07 Joubu oleonard: 11622 provides the paypal way only
13:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11622 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to pay fees and fines from OPAC via PayPal
13:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin, ASSIGNED , Online payment of fines
13:04 oleonard ashimema? Bug 15335 seems to duplicate Bug 11622
12:46 oleonard Hi #koha
12:45 tcohen morning
12:03 mtj thanks for the history Joubu :)
11:37 Joubu [Koha-devel] using CHI directly to use all of it's advantages
11:37 Joubu http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2012-June/037515.html
11:35 mtj i say we get rid of the slower one :)
11:34 mtj would probably be a simple patch to remove either Cache::FastMmap or Cache::Memory
11:32 mtj ashimema: i agree with 2 cache systems (as a start)
11:13 ashimema oh well
11:08 Joubu it's an env var, not a pref
11:07 Joubu no it's not
11:07 Joubu ashimema: ?
11:04 mtj anyhoo, i think im ranting now too
11:04 mtj yeah
11:03 drojf :)
11:03 drojf know?
11:03 mtj ..and often people dont that
11:03 mtj so, any time anyone has a cache related bug.. the question is 'what cache subsystem are you using?'
11:01 drojf lol
11:00 wahanui Joubu is not sure how to fix that correctly
11:00 ashimema Joubu?
10:59 ashimema I wonder if that information is remotely obtainable via hea?
10:59 ashimema I'd rather we just have two cache systems.. personally I'd go for memcached::fast.. and as a fallback if memcached is not found I'd use some naive memory based cache.
10:59 drojf maybe its worth to ask on the dev list what options are actually used?
10:59 drojf ah ok. yes, for koha:cache itself it is probably a lot to debug so it actually works
10:58 mtj what he said ^
10:58 ashimema but whilst we allow for a myriad of back ends to it, there's a myriad of issues that could pop up..
10:57 ashimema it is the point of Koha::Cache drojf
10:57 ashimema but felt I'd ranted anough for one day ;)
10:57 ashimema haha.. I totally agree mtj
10:53 drojf shouldn't we have one way to handle cache stuff in general and it works with whatever option you use? i thought that was the purpose of koha::cache (without having looked at it)
10:52 mtj having the option of 3 caching systems, makes things tricky to debug :/
10:50 mtj '...using instead Cache::Memcached::Fast, Cache::FastMmap, and Cache::Memory, when they are available.'
10:49 drojf but there are other events of course, so you have to set dates upfront and manoeuvre around fixed events
10:49 mtj a bit off-topic, but i think it would be a good idea to remove some of the 'lesser' caching options from koha
10:47 drojf and they are happy if free software stuff happens there
10:47 cait nice!
10:47 drojf i can only plan until january atm, i'd propose a later date again. i can use the room for free, there is a kitchen, a terrace and barbecue stuff too ;)
10:45 magnuse drojf++
10:45 cait yep
10:45 drojf but it would be an option, so i thpought, why not ask
10:45 drojf cait: i would prefer to have devs first. and it is really on short notice, so maybe not even going to happen
10:45 mtj ..so, im thinking CHI would have a problem caching those structures? ^
10:44 mtj ashimema: i cant recall... but ive sometimes needed to use Tie::Hash::Indexed
10:44 * magnuse has other travel plans in january
10:43 cait drojf: also - german list?
10:43 cait you are impatient :)
10:43 cait i haven't had time to discuss it here really
10:43 cait i remember it was hard to check correctly, we had lots of different versions not all working, so we introduced a routine to do it correctly
10:43 drojf not too many people up for a trip to berlin in january i guess ;)
10:41 drojf ok. i have never done stuff related to permissions i think
10:40 cait it should be using IsSuperlibrarian or whatever it's called
10:40 cait i am just a little worried about the check itself
10:40 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=tools/export.pl;h=0186eaf56456ccbcb41b2115870320aa165dc1c8;hb=29cd4ae9bd4dee43e8ea375aa49d792fdbe9df10#l205
10:39 drojf ok, that is what i was hoping for ;)
10:39 cait 207 if ( $flags->{superlibrarian} < supelibrarian
10:38 cait the tools permission
10:38 cait so possibly export_catalog
10:38 drojf its another tab there
10:38 drojf yes
10:38 cait drojf: ah it's part of the normal export page
10:37 drojf cait: export.tt i guess
10:37 huginn` magnuse: The operation succeeded.
10:37 magnuse @later tell nengard it looks like the possibility to set <backup_db_via_tools>0</backup_db_via_tools> and <backup_conf_via_tools>0</backup_conf_via_tools> in koha-conf.xml, and then be able to download backups from Tools > Export is not documented in the manual? but see also bug 14564
10:36 cait hm i will check the template - do you have the name by chance?
10:32 drojf but it should be controlled
10:31 drojf cait: i don't see a permisson for that in tools. but i have only superlibrarians using it
10:30 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9434 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Introduce new tied cache system
10:30 magnuse bug 9434
10:28 ashimema and would love to learn what it is. ;)
10:28 ashimema please explain the use case.. I'm likely just missing something :)
10:28 ashimema ooh..
10:27 mtj ashimema: fwiw... ive have situations where i needed that in koha - so i can imagine it might be required
10:25 drojf cait: i can have a look at my server, but i don't remember setting something
10:25 ashimema I am a tad perplexed as to why we need them though myself ;)
10:24 ashimema apparently not..
10:24 mtj ah, ok.. CHI doesnt handle that huh.. :/
10:24 drojf i don't
10:24 ashimema not that we're using them anywhere at all yet.. but there is a 3 year old patch that introduces a few uses.. but it's stuck
10:24 cait drojf: do you know if there is a permission check on that tool by chance?
10:24 ashimema mtj.. it was to enable tied variables to be cached.
10:23 ashimema then he removed it again later :)
10:23 mtj ..but, i dont know if/why it was later removed from koha
10:23 ashimema yup..
10:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Koha should use CHI caching framework
10:23 mtj ashimema: looks like this is the patch to add CHI, bug 8092
10:22 cait drojf++
10:22 cait thx!
10:22 drojf it does
10:22 cait so db download would work?
10:22 cait ah
10:22 drojf (file permissions on the server, not koha permissions)
10:21 magnuse but the docs do not seem to mention this in the parts about the Export tool
10:21 drojf the other needs tweaks on the server, but has security implications
10:21 drojf db works fine
10:21 magnuse tool -->
10:21 magnuse database and configuration dumps (respectively) from the Export
10:21 magnuse <!-- Enable the two following to allow superlibrarians to download
10:21 magnuse a comment in koha-con.xml says:
10:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14564 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, In Discussion , Export configuration: Unfortunately, no backups are available.
10:21 drojf bug 14564
10:20 cait so the feature is broken?
10:20 cait oh?
10:19 drojf i think we agreed its better that way, there is a bug
10:19 drojf conf won't work due to permissions
10:19 magnuse <backup_conf_via_tools>0</backup_conf_via_tools>
10:19 magnuse <backup_db_via_tools>0</backup_db_via_tools>
10:18 cait hm, does somene have a keyowrd i could use for searching maybe?
10:18 ashimema as in koha-conf.xml
10:18 magnuse you must enable it in koha-conf.xml, i think?
10:18 ashimema I tihnk there's a config option cait
10:17 cait i thought that was something that could be activated somehow - for the packages?
10:17 cait does someone kow if we have documentation about the 'download a dump of your database' feature?
10:16 magnuse cache all the things!
10:03 ashimema I'd like to see caching done more thoroughly in general
10:03 ashimema Might be worth investing some time in 8089 if it actually uses Koha::Cache to all it's advantages.
10:02 ashimema oh well
10:02 ashimema it's pretty much the defacto cache abstraction library for Perl.
10:02 ashimema I'd be surprised if it wasn't already packaged..
10:02 wahanui hmmm... really is more trouble than she's worth.
10:02 ashimema really..
09:49 magnuse i have a vague impression that CHI was dropped because it was hard to package for debian, but that might be utterly wrong
09:48 magnuse ashimema: not terribly big - 91 621 items, 14 475 borrowers
09:42 ashimema I see
09:37 Joubu it seems that the goal was to fix what we have poorly fixed in koha.psgi with the clear_pref call
09:36 Joubu "It does, however, eliminate the problem of sysprefs not getting updated in all threads in multi-threaded environments."
09:36 Joubu it has been pushed actually, then reverted
09:35 ashimema but no further followups to actually get things moving forward again
09:34 ashimema by eythian
09:34 ashimema there's activity in it from early last year.
09:33 cait one of the many things that got stuck i guess :(
09:33 ashimema is that a case of 'too much in one bug?'
09:31 ashimema back from 2012 ;)
09:31 ashimema lol..
09:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere
09:31 Joubu ashimema: bug 8089 uses it
09:30 ashimema but I may well be missing something fundamental.. my point is that I don't know anyone who does know how to use it ;)
09:30 Joubu the idea of the tie interface, I don't remember anything about that
09:30 Joubu the idea was to simplify the cache system of Koha
09:30 ashimema it jsut seems to overcomplicate a bit to me ;)
09:30 ashimema I'm sure it works..
09:29 ashimema hehe..
09:29 Joubu but I cannot remember
09:29 ashimema to invent our own api instead.
09:29 Joubu Regarding the sign-off-by line I have tested it
09:29 ashimema just seems odd to me to move away from a really well documented and well maintained library..
09:29 ashimema why did we bother with it.. do you know the history?
09:29 ashimema lol..
09:29 Joubu yes, it's not used :)
09:28 ashimema or not tied
09:28 ashimema not used?
09:28 ashimema ?
09:28 Joubu no, it's not
09:28 ashimema only the OO aproach
09:28 ashimema but I don't see it actually in use anywhere in our codebase
09:28 ashimema it's a tied variable that's cached..
09:28 ashimema yup..
09:27 Joubu ashimema: did you read the pod?
09:19 ashimema could do with jcamins popping up to put me in my place around about now ;)
09:18 ashimema ->create_hash and ->create_scalar are not called anywhere in the code at all.. it might have been a good idea at the time but I don't think anyone understand how it's meant to work.
09:18 ashimema I can't find a single mention of the 'tied' cache stuff outside of Koha::Cache..
09:18 ashimema just as I thought might be the case..
09:07 ashimema to me, it looks like it adds complication without much reward.. but I'm likely being naive.. I would really like to know the 'why' it was done though.. in less technical speak than that commit message
09:04 ashimema I don't entirely understand what he means by 'variable typing' though ;)
09:04 ashimema yeah..
09:04 drojf morning #koha
09:03 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=b07f4debb73b01aa0a72a2b10506e171e79a8c05
09:03 cait Cache::FastMmap, and Cache::Memory, when they are available.
09:03 cait the dependency on CHI, using instead Cache::Memcached::Fast,
09:03 cait CHI was incompatible with the variable tying, so this patch also removes
09:03 cait he wrote both - chi sand the new one it seems
09:03 ashimema Koha::Cache removed it
09:03 ashimema well I can't find any mention of it in any actual code any more ;)
09:02 cait iguess jared would know
09:02 ashimema basically, it gives you a common standardised API that can talk to a myriad of actualy cache back ends..
09:01 cait in some of the files like debian/list-deps
09:01 cait it eems to be still listed
09:01 ashimema CHI is a very well respected Cache abstraction layer in CPAN cait..
09:00 ashimema ours is, 241,658 active users, 278,760 biblioitems
09:00 cait i think there is an ongoing dicussion about where to put configuration tho
09:00 cait ashimema: i am not sure what CHI is even... so i am out
08:59 ashimema how big is big for you magnuse.. if you don't mind me asking?
08:59 ashimema we're slowly weaning them off the fallback though ;)
08:58 ashimema we found plack crashed too much early on to not have the CGI fallback.
08:58 ashimema anyone know what the story was around moving away from CHI and developing our own cache scheme instead>
08:58 * magnuse also has his biggest customer running plack, but without a backup
08:57 ashimema haha..
08:57 ashimema but we should really be optimizing for persistent apps now we have plack support being tested properly in master (we now have our three biggest sites all using plack (with a CGI backup running in parallel in case plack explodes).. in a live environment)
08:57 * magnuse was afraid it was "Archaic Northern British and Scot. Dialect. a clenched or closed hand; fist."
08:56 ashimema it'll never help CGI..
08:55 ashimema those were in effect the sort of thing I was thinking about
08:55 ashimema we've got rid of lots of global variable to become plack safe..
08:55 ashimema There are some things that could/should be cached even without a full fledged cache system in place..
08:54 ashimema along the lines of https://metacpan.org/pod/Mojo::Cache
08:54 ashimema I can't spell today.. I meant 'Naive'.. i.e. simple
08:53 magnuse ashimema: nieve?
08:50 * ashimema also doesn't understand why Koha::Cache is the way it is..
08:50 ashimema do we have any form of nieve in memory caching?
08:49 cait hi Oak :)
08:49 Oak Hello cait!
08:49 * cait waves
08:45 Joubu currently the tests don't depend on a caching system
08:44 ashimema Joubu.. do you think we could stick a db-dependant test in that does a Benchmark run to warn if this code gets dramatically slower at any point in the future?
08:41 ashimema that's got to help in my book ;)
08:41 ashimema caching means we won't be doing 262*3 db hits and 262*3 DateTime instantiations..
08:41 ashimema two of our most performance deprived systems havve 262 and 921 rows in the special holidays tables respectively..
08:40 ashimema I think caching special_holdays will make a difference myself..
08:38 ashimema witout profiling, I'm not sure how you can make such a judgment regarding caching the other holidays..?
08:37 ashimema did you also see my mail about Time::Moment?
08:32 gaetan_B hello
08:17 Joubu but as I said yesterday, I don't think we are gonna win a lot there
08:15 Joubu ashimema: yep I have seen it :)
08:13 * ashimema goes to get breakfast
08:13 ashimema I wonder if we could somehow work on a performance regression test for this stuff..
08:12 ashimema morning #koha
08:12 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Use Koha::Cache for caching all holidays
08:12 ashimema did you see bug 15333 Joubu :)
08:04 Joubu hi
07:59 alex_a bonjour
07:51 reiveune hello
07:26 Oak \o/
07:26 * magnuse waves
07:26 magnuse Oak!
07:11 Oak magnuse
07:11 * Oak waves
05:12 wahanui kia ora, t4nk726
05:12 t4nk726 hello
05:11 dcook Well that's dark
05:09 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one
05:09 t4nk726 Good morning
03:35 wizzyrea good luck
03:34 ibeardslee thanks, given them a call and left a message
03:15 wizzyrea http://www.attwoods.co.nz/Product-Range/PP/FP possibly a better link
03:14 wizzyrea ibeardslee: http://www.attwoods.co.nz/Product-Range/PP/BF also these people sell lots of stuff like that
03:11 wizzyrea http://www.bunnings.co.nz/qep-laminate-floating-floor-underlay-white-11m2_p06650147 < a la
03:09 wizzyrea i'm not sure it's LDPE though, it varies
03:09 ibeardslee hmm
03:04 wizzyrea maybe at bunnings, as flooring underlay
03:03 wizzyrea ibeardslee: like the thin sheets of foam?
03:03 wizzyrea hi francesca
03:01 huginn` francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (3:30 PM NZDT on December 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
03:01 francesca @wunder wlg
03:01 * francesca waves
02:56 dcook wizzyrea: This guy
02:52 wizzyrea who forgets to eat?
02:51 ibeardslee wow
02:44 dcook Wow... you know it's a busy day when it's 1:44pm and you just remembered that you bought pastries for breakfast... and forgot to eat them
00:42 drojf i should go to bed. good night
00:33 mtj ..i might have to leave that bug, for now
00:29 mtj meh, and still the same error for me :/
00:27 drojf heh timing is everything
00:27 drojf rangi: you mentioned updating cached values instead of flushing everything a few days ago. i'd like to look into the cache flushing problem related to MARC structure when i have some time. do we have examples for updating it that in koha, or where could i get some info about it? never really done anything with cache in koha (or elsewhere)
00:27 * rangi heads out
00:27 rangi yep
00:27 mtj tho, i guess that migth be 18 spaces too huh?
00:27 rangi yeah spaces matter
00:26 mtj ..i was confused by the spec.. says its a '18 char, required field'
00:25 mtj yep, ok... i tried that 1st (fwiw)
00:25 wizzyrea it doesn't have the rules
00:25 wizzyrea yeah the selfcheck wouldn't know what to set the duedate to
00:25 rangi let koha work it out
00:25 rangi try that without the second date
00:24 rangi 11YN20151209 123211 AOL|AAK00030511|ABL03365685|AC
00:24 rangi dont send a due date
00:24 mtj Dec 9 13:20:39 b32 koha_sip[23753]: ILS::Checkout Issue failed
00:24 mtj Dec 9 13:20:39 b32 koha_sip[23753]: Blocking checkout Reason:INVALID_DATE
00:24 mtj Dec 9 13:20:39 b32 koha_sip[23753]: ILS::Transaction::Checkout performing checkout...
00:23 mtj 20151209 131032 | 20151210 131032
00:23 mtj and both dates look ok to me
00:23 mtj ^ thats mine.. but i get a stupid 'Blocking checkout Reason:INVALID_DATE' error
00:22 rangi yep
00:22 mtj 11YN20151209 13103220151210 131032AO|AAtest|AB20150011|AC
00:21 mtj rangi: do you have an example of a SIP checkout string? perhaps?
00:21 drojf pretty late for magnuse too
00:20 drojf oh my it's late
00:19 wizzyrea just ignore that.
00:17 wizzyrea clearly so I'd reckon.
00:17 wizzyrea is the merge authority cronjob still needed?
00:07 drojf i don't think i can solve the people problem in this case
00:06 wizzyrea hm. Sounds like a technical solution to a people problem.
00:06 drojf i'd like a list option to have someone subscribed and receive all mail, but their own emails only go back to them, pretending to go to everyone
00:01 wizzyrea perhaps? it's a guarantee.
00:00 rangi ill have to have a think about how to deal with it, it always derails useful threads