Time  Nick          Message
22:54 * cait1       needs someone to make her tea because she keeps forgetting
22:30 wizzyrea      later
22:27 tcohen        bye
21:49 rangi         it's been a while since i tried it
21:49 pianohacker   sweet
21:49 rangi         i think yeah if its installed uses it
21:49 pianohacker   do you need any config, or will it just fall back to that before Cache::Memory if the module's installed?
21:48 rangi         you can use that with Koha::Cache too
21:48 rangi         http://search.cpan.org/~robm/Cache-FastMmap-1.43/lib/Cache/FastMmap.pm
21:48 rangi         MMap is pretty cool
21:48 pianohacker   yeah
21:48 rangi         yeah
21:48 pianohacker   so yeah, rangi, it uses Koha::Cache, which'll of course fall back to Cache::Memory which is o/c only useful in plack
21:47 rangi         yeah
21:47 pianohacker   yeah, too slow to paginate client-side, unfortunately
21:47 rangi         at least in a non persistent environment
21:47 rangi         makes sense though
21:46 wizzyrea      that sounds terrible.
21:46 pianohacker   (also, unrelated, paging through Z39.50 search results in Rancor is DOG slow without memcached, as it has to refetch all the results every time)
21:45 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14735 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , cache_expiry is not saved when updating a SQL report
21:45 pianohacker   bug 14735
21:45 wizzyrea      true
21:45 pianohacker   but at least it's not your problem :)
21:45 pianohacker   :/ I wish it did... there's issues that can only be tested with memcached like 14735
21:42 wizzyrea      there's no config for memcached on the devbox, it's not a thing that comes with an out of the box devbox.
21:41 pianohacker   "memcache", maybe?
21:41 pianohacker   hm, guess not
21:40 wizzyrea      memcached: unrecognized service
21:39 wizzyrea      on devbox?
21:39 pianohacker   wizzyrea: cleared memcached?
21:38 cait          to see if the facet entries are there
21:38 cait          you could also check the dom config files
21:38 cait          hm
21:37 wizzyrea      neither interface
21:37 wizzyrea      nope
21:37 cait          wizzyrea: no facets showing up at all on your searches?
21:36 wnickc        thanks cait++
21:36 cait          so some pros to including it
21:36 pianohacker   right
21:36 cait          and makes it sandbox testable
21:35 pianohacker   cait: makes sense.
21:35 cait          easier when rebasing and easier for th etester, because they don't need to remember to run the script
21:35 wizzyrea      nope that didn't fix it.
21:35 cait          pianohacker: you can, but please in a separate patch
21:34 pianohacker   What's the current procedure for patches that use Koha::Database on tables they introduce? Is the patch expected to include the new autogenerated files in Koha/Schema/Result, to ease testing?
21:34 wizzyrea      i.e. I added them, and they would have been indexed then, with the facets on.
21:34 wizzyrea      I'll try that but these records would have been indexed with it on
21:34 cait          hm reindexed since activation?
21:33 wizzyrea      nothing in the log either
21:32 wizzyrea      yep
21:31 cait          are they activated in the koha-conf.xml file?
21:30 cait          hm
21:30 wizzyrea      no, nothing in the about page
21:30 wizzyrea      1mo let me turn them on again
21:30 wizzyrea      oh wait
21:29 rangi         hi Francesca
21:29 wizzyrea      nope
21:29 cait          hi Francesca :)
21:29 Francesca     morning
21:29 rangi         apparently yes, it still does exist
21:29 wizzyrea      GOOD QUESTION.
21:29 cait          hm anything on the about page?
21:28 wizzyrea      is there a config that needs to be made to make them work?
21:28 wizzyrea      so the zebra facets don't seem to currently be working out of the box in devbox
21:28 rangi         i dunno if that show even exists anymore though
21:28 cait          heh
21:28 rangi         you get to pick your subject
21:28 rangi         mastermind
21:28 wizzyrea      hehe
21:28 cait          there should be a koha quiz show on tv... :)
21:27 drojf1        cait++
21:27 drojf1        ok then i am not crazy. i was sure that worked at some point :D
21:25 cait          butyou need to reindex
21:25 wahanui       i think IncludeSeeFromInSearches is something else entirely, but DidYouMeanFromAuthorities shouldn't be there anymore.
21:25 cait          drojf1: IncludeSeeFromInSearches
21:24 cait          there is a pref for that
21:24 drojf1        when i have an authority record linked to a biblio and i search for an alternative author name that is in the authority record… should the biblio turn up? or does that only work for authority search? something like alternative spelling.
21:20 eythian       I should soon, still trying to sleep off this cold
21:19 wizzyrea      hehehehe
21:19 wizzyrea      YES
21:19 eythian       cait: :-P
21:19 cait          eythian: go to bed :P
21:19 rangi         hehe
21:18 eythian       http://dangerousminds.net/comments/rage_against_the_machine_lyrics_sound_like_break_the_chicken_nuggets_daddy_ <-- rangi
21:10 wizzyrea      cait++ for knowing many many things
21:09 cait          um.
21:09 rangi         cait++ # for knowing everything
20:52 drojf         thanks
20:52 drojf         tcohen: ok so i'm done when its in PerlDependencies? awesome
20:51 wizzyrea      excellent
20:51 rangi         when/if it dies i can restart it under my user
20:51 tcohen        if you are writing a patch leave teh control file to the rm/rmaint
20:51 wizzyrea      coooool
20:51 rangi         runs on my server wizzyrea
20:51 drojf         tcohen: oh just there? i did that :)
20:51 tcohen        drojf: dependencies go to C4::Installer::PerlDependencies
20:50 wizzyrea      I think the bot's running under his account somewhere on one of the community servers
20:50 drojf         rangi tcohen ok, but where do i put the dependency then? or does the script generate it from the file i use it in?
20:50 wizzyrea      oh speaking of wahanui
20:50 wizzyrea      hehe
20:49 cait          lol
20:49 rangi         ahh eythian
20:49 wahanui       I know! The blade went right through that child!
20:49 rangi         good point
20:48 tcohen        because we tend to forget, and the packaging manager has extra job
20:48 cait          hm i am emailing the list about the member expiry notice :)
20:48 tcohen        that should go to the release maintenance wiki
20:48 tcohen        the latter is called by the first one
20:48 rangi         thanks tcohen
20:48 rangi         ah yep
20:47 tcohen        debian/update-control + debian/rules
20:47 rangi         i forget the name of the script
20:47 talljoy       :-)
20:47 liw           drojf, I think you mean what Debian calls a "Recommends" or a "Suggests"
20:47 rangi         debian/control should be generated by a script
20:47 tcohen        talljoy++
20:46 drojf         where do i put a non-mandatory dependency in debian/control? or do i put it there at all?
20:46 rangi         i didnt realise it was in trouble
20:43 rangi         http://www.newsinenglish.no/2015/12/02/oslo-to-build-its-troubled-library/
20:43 liw           mmm, backups. backups are awesome.
20:36 drojf         thd: are you going to present a summary at the next meeting for the kohacon votings?
20:34 thd           Back to backups.
20:32 * thd         is going to a presentation about voting methods at MOMATH, http://www.momath.org this evening.
20:25 cait          our RM is travellig until 10th... maybe we can find a date in between
20:25 thd           If we would not have a meeting until January, then ALA midwinter meeting schedule will be an issue.  It is in early January for a change.
20:23 cait          maybe bag will want to pick the next meeting date
20:23 rangi         cait: thank you
20:23 cait          i have added a comment to th emeeting wiki page
20:22 drojf         i tried to follow the discussion about an email alarm in owncloud but gave up after five pages redirecting somewhere else
20:22 Dyrcona       thd: Yes. I generally agree with that.
20:21 thd           Dyrcona: Google calendar is non-free software.  We should have a FOSS solution.
20:20 cait          i will leave it open
20:19 cait          ... people?
20:18 thd           drojf: Yes of course ;)
20:18 drojf         thd: not if it would send an email ;)
20:18 Dyrcona       We use Google calendar for Evergreen meetings. Just throwing that out there.
20:18 cait          hm i might have a christmas party that day
20:18 thd           drojf: People would still forget what was on the "pick your calendar".
20:18 cait          shoudl we move it to 9th?
20:17 thd           I will still be here in a week.
20:17 drojf         the reminder i mean. is there something calenderish for mediawiki that we could use for dates and reminders?
20:16 cait          shoudl we schedule another in december?
20:16 thd           Obviously, it could not be a traditional cron job but something triggered programmatically.
20:16 cait          heh
20:16 Dyrcona       Hey! We just postponed/skipped a meeting over in #evergreen on freenode, too.
20:16 drojf         can't that be done with wiki magic?
20:16 cait          so someone would have to touch it every time
20:15 cait          i think it could be a problem that our meetings are not regular
20:15 thd           Is there any experience with auto-generating email messages for meeting reminders etc.?
20:14 thd           Playing with babies has kept me from many things in the past three years, but has been very satisfying.
20:13 cait          babies can be nice?
20:11 * thd         was a little late after handing a nice baby back to his parents.
20:10 cait          we are waiting a bit longer, but i think it might be the best
20:10 cait          thd: most people around voted to postpone
20:10 thd           cait: Have not enough people appeared for the meeting?
20:08 thd           Has the meeting started?
20:06 drojf         its no excuse, but i doubt the meeting is the most important thing to a lot of people. we are really just a few people most of the time. if we catch 1 or 2 with a reminder that would not hurt
20:05 cait          and reminders are good - i just don't count 'no reminder' as a totally valid excuse :)
20:04 cait          nothing wrong with that really
20:04 cait          paper calendar?
20:03 drojf         my whole life is stuff that does not do things like i want them to, piled up to heaven. i always find other stuff to break
20:03 drojf         i tried that at some point and… dont remember. did not work? i did not use it then. i had a caldav in owncloud until that decided to not work properly and i did not have time to move it
20:02 cait          i use thunderbird lightning
20:02 drojf         that would be an option too. lol. but my phone broke so i have not used it much
20:02 cait          like I do...
20:01 cait          like i would with all other work related meetings
20:01 cait          i just put the meeting on my calendar
20:01 cait          hm not sure
20:01 drojf         i think not having a reminder is really a problem. a real one, like a day or two before, not 30 minutes. i would have missed all meetings lately if i would not hang around here
20:00 cait          next meeting will be january - wouldn#t mind a date on the mailing list before that :)
20:00 drojf         yes
20:00 cait          they have been at meetings before
20:00 drojf         maybe i could invite them to join the next ;)
20:00 drojf         no idea
20:00 drojf         for the meeting i mean
20:00 drojf         they might show up too
20:00 cait          i love self-volunteering volunteers :)
19:59 cait          aah
19:59 cait          who volunteers? :)
19:59 drojf         i can do that
19:59 rangi         thats a good idea
19:59 cait          maybe we should email and ask nicely
19:59 drojf         *voting
19:59 drojf         usually the dates are anounced shortly after voring, aren't they? may is not too long away
19:59 cait          yeah that's true
19:58 drojf         does not look like it. apart from greece… it would be nice to have a date set
19:57 drojf         do we have time critical stuff to discuss?
19:53 cait          let's wait a few minutes and then postpone if we don't get suddenly overrun :)
19:52 rangi         i dont think any of the RM or Rmaint will be there
19:52 rangi         yeah postponing sounds good
19:52 cait          no idea
19:50 drojf         what would one use to set that up?
19:49 drojf         we should have an automatic email reminder
19:48 drojf         *rules
19:48 drojf         not really time for a meeting :/ and did not prepare anything regarding voting riules
19:47 drojf         +1 for postponing
19:47 drojf         oh another month gone already?
19:45 cait          should we postpone if noone is here?
19:45 cait          might be a quiet one
19:43 pianohacker   d'oh right when I have to leave to teach
19:43 cait          i think it's in 20 minutes
19:43 cait          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_2_December_2015
19:39 rangi         not that i saw
19:39 rangi         nope
19:39 cait          did someone send a reminder?
19:38 cait          hm irc meeting tonight?
19:28 mveron        Hi #koha
19:21 wnickc        2pm
19:20 drojf         noon
19:18 rangi         morning
19:11 cait          evening #koha :)
18:02 drojf         something like alternative spelling
18:00 drojf         when i have an authority record linked to a biblio and i search for an author name that is in the authority record… should the biblio turn up? or does that only work for authority search?
17:48 Joubu         bye #koha
17:27 xarragon      Something like this for example: https://github.com/joemcmahon/test-xml-simple
17:25 oleonard      pianohacker: I'm not familiar with it
17:25 xarragon      beacuse instantiating a parser and running xpath is a bit messy
17:24 xarragon      Is there an elegant way to check XML returns in tests?
17:24 pianohacker   to column_settings.inc
17:24 pianohacker   we can switch colvis over with one centralized change, no?
17:13 oleonard      Can't upgrade Bootstrap because of jQuery. Can't upgrade jQuery because of ColVis. Can't easily upgrade DataTables because DataTables.
17:10 oleonard      Current list of nightmare upgrades: jQuery, DataTables, Bootstrap.
17:08 pianohacker   my only worry is that we'll need to convert code to the new datatables api to use this
17:07 pianohacker   oh nvm: http://datatables.net/reference/button/colvis
17:06 pianohacker   ... this really seems like we'll have to recreate a lot of colvis on top of buttons, but I'm not that deep into the docs yet
17:02 oleonard      DataTables ColVis plugin "retired" : http://datatables.net/extensions/colvis/
16:56 * drojf       heads home
16:51 drojf         nengard_chicktech: done
16:28 oleonard      does the koha-translate command not work with gitified installations?
16:08 reiveune      bye
15:45 Joubu         hum, not good...
15:43 fredericd     https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=102010
15:41 fredericd     And I get your error message: Can't call method "start_element" on an undefined value at /root/.cpanm/work/1449070949.9257/HTTP-OAI-4.03/blib/lib/HTTP/OAI/Verb.pm line 53
15:41 fredericd     I've just tried installing HTTP::OAI 4.03 from cpan on a Debian Wheezy
15:38 Joubu         package from jessie
15:38 fredericd     Is it a package or cpan install?
15:37 fredericd     I have 3.27
15:35 Joubu         fredericd: 4.03
15:33 fredericd     Version of HTTP::OAI
15:33 oleonard      JRJMLDirector: Wrong channel?
15:33 Joubu         fredericd: any idea why it does not pass for me?
15:33 drojf         JRJMLDirector: do you mean your koha installation? i'm afraid we would not know that. your IT or your service provider shoudl know ;)
15:32 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , OAI Server classes must be modularized
15:32 fredericd     Joubu: Anything I can do with bug 14939?
15:31 JRJMLDirector checking logs now
15:31 JRJMLDirector We are running so slowly we keep timing out
15:30 JRJMLDirector Is Koha having any problems this morning?
15:25 drojf         i was not sure if putting the master url was a good idea. how often is that changed? meaning, how soon will it have a lot of cool stuff that does not apply to 3.22 anymore?
15:24 nengard       but you're right
15:24 nengard       http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/master/en/html-desktop/
15:24 nengard       it's the master URL
15:24 nengard       it kind of does
15:24 drojf         oh the desktop version of the 3.22 manual does not exist yet? http://manual.koha-community.org/3.22/en/ works, but http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/3.22/en/html-desktop/  does not
15:20 nengard       good
15:20 nengard       wow!!
15:20 drojf         on the plus side, i moved to a new computer and all is 1000x faster now. once i migrate the old vm i can send a sketch of the patch. it could have million options for things like video format, i left it at one. its more a proof of concept atm really. i lost the fist version of the patch
15:20 nengard       hehe
15:18 drojf         true, i even fixed the video upload link before :/ so many things to do :(
15:17 nengard       ditch it
15:17 nengard       yes you should!
15:17 * nengard     is teasing
15:17 drojf         thats all i need. i am re-doing the template for the info i hand out with free koha instances. and they will be 3.22 soon. so i should ditch the 3.18 link ;)
15:17 nengard       hehe
15:17 nengard       and I didn't get to document youtube :(
15:17 * nengard     puts on her friendly nagging hat
15:16 nengard       it's not 100% complete in terms of new functionality
15:16 nengard       yes :)
15:16 drojf         ah the link works already. perfect!
15:16 nengard       so it's pretty darn close!!!
15:16 nengard       oh sorry - i still have about 10 things I need to add to it
15:16 nengard       http://manual.koha-community.org/3.22/en/
15:16 drojf         thats what i meant, sorry :)
15:16 nengard       it's not finished though
15:16 nengard       yes
15:16 drojf         nengard: is there an "official" 3.22 of the manual already?
15:13 drojf         we have master and 3.20 on the manual webpage. when will there be a 3.22 link, and is that a manual or a website question? :)
13:45 Joubu         fredericd: around?
13:32 drojf         i should try the speed testing with it maybe
13:31 drojf         it probably is better :)
13:30 drojf         the last time i turned it on somewhere search did not work and i never got back to trying it
13:30 magnuse       maybe just that it was supposed to be better...
13:30 magnuse       i can't remember turning it on for any specific reason
13:30 magnuse       looks like the default for UseQueryParser is 0
13:29 drojf         or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_%26_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC#.28g.29_Replace_Koha.27s_homegrown_query_parsing_code
13:29 magnuse       hm, good question
13:28 drojf         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_%26_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC#.28b.29_Adopt_the_Evergreen_QueryParser
13:27 drojf         or is it default now?
13:26 drojf         i mean what did you turn on the queryparser for? (trying to find what you may lose without it) ;)
13:26 magnuse       that can be achieved with SearchWithISBNVariations, but in order for that to work, UseQueryParser must be off
13:26 magnuse       they want to be able to search for isbns with and without hyphens, so if you search for the hyphenated version you get a hit on the version without hyphens and vice versa
13:25 drojf         what did they/you turn it on for? :)
13:22 magnuse       i have a library that wants to use SearchWithISBNVariations, but then they have to turn off UseQueryParser. it is not clear to me what, if anything, they loose by doing that. anyone know?
13:01 druthb        Nice to be thought-of.  :)
13:01 oleonard      I was just thinking about you while I read the numerous translation-related bugs which have come up lately :|
13:01 magnuse       hiya druthb and oleonard
12:59 druthb        Hi, oleonard! :)
12:59 oleonard      Hi druthb
12:39 drojf         hei magnuse
12:39 magnuse       moin drojf
12:32 tcohen        kia ora magnuse
12:31 magnuse       kia ora tcohen
12:26 tcohen        morning
12:23 cait          bye all
12:23 cait          time to catch my bus home
12:22 cait          C. and J. ... :)
12:22 cait          and also the others
12:22 cait          exactly that please :)
12:21 magnuse       sounds like fun! please give ashimema and atheia a pat on the back from us :-)
12:13 Joubu         yes
12:11 cait          at the customer day?
12:10 cait          oh nice
12:10 Joubu         cait: not on friday, I will met PTFS-E guys in Aston :)
12:10 cait          ?
12:10 cait          Joubu: are you around tomorrow and fridayß
12:05 drojf         to the office… later #koha
12:05 drojf         woohoo
12:04 cait          travelling without laptop again - but will be back tomorrow :)
12:04 cait          hi drojf
12:03 cait          Joubu++
12:02 drojf         hi cait
12:02 drojf         great, thanks
12:00 Joubu         )
12:00 Joubu         it should be (I haven't testà
12:00 * cait        waves
12:00 Joubu         drojf: yes
11:58 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15218 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Make processes that rely on background jobs run in CGI mode
11:58 drojf         does bug 15218 mean the stage marc records problem is gone for now with plack in 3.22?
11:54 drojf         hi #koha
10:27 hagud_        ok, thanks!
10:27 magnuse       we have a new package manager, so he might need some time to get set up, i guess
10:26 magnuse       no, they were not there when i checked yesterday
10:26 hagud_        just one issue, anybody has installed koha 3_22 or koha 3_20_6 from packages, I think they're not published, right?
10:25 hagud_        ok, thanks I thought I was out of this IRC ;)
10:25 magnuse       hagud_: i think it is just very quiet :-)
10:19 hagud_        good morning, there is no chat or I have problems with the IRC?
08:07 wahanui       salut, Joubu
08:07 Joubu         hi
07:55 alex_a        bonjour
07:41 reiveune      hello
07:30 dcook         Anyway, finally going this time :p
07:26 huginn        dcook: The operation succeeded.
07:26 dcook         @later tell cait could you look at bug 10662 when you're free?
07:24 dcook         Yo fridolin
07:23 fridolin      hie there
06:56 dcook         That they might include too many records..
06:56 dcook         I suppose my tests might be bad...
06:50 dcook         Actually, 5 seconds in the browser..
06:50 dcook         Although that's using the HTTP::OAI module..
06:49 dcook         I tested a download of 21 records and it took 4 seconds... which is longer than the 2-3 quoted by andreashm and cait..
06:46 dcook         Maybe even a few times a day
06:45 dcook         Me too :/
06:45 magnuse       yeah, i always thought of oai-pmh as a onec-a-night kind of thing, more than a several-times-a-minute thing
06:45 dcook         So might need to discard HTTP::OAI and use a non-blocking HTTP request POE module to do all the API calls..
06:45 dcook         I am using an asynchronous framework though (POE)... but getting stuck on blocking HTTP requests...
06:44 dcook         Basically, it is all done synchronously, which means it'll be too slow for what andreashm and cait have in mind..
06:44 dcook         So writing about that at the moment, even though I shold've left work 44 minutes ago..
06:43 dcook         Thought of another problem with the OAI-PMH harvests...
06:43 dcook         Trying to do too many things..
06:43 * dcook       never leaves
06:43 dcook         I wish :p
06:43 magnuse       i thought you snuck out just before i joined :-)
06:43 wahanui       hmmm... magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
06:43 dcook         magnuse!
06:43 magnuse       dcook!
06:33 * magnuse     waves
03:24 * dcook       missed having eythian around in his own time zone
02:33 wizzyrea      http://pastebin.com/iUJZvx4n
02:31 wizzyrea      http://pastebin.com/index/pahy9qbm
02:00 wahanui       http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg
02:00 * francesca   facepalms
02:00 francesca     ahh wrong window
02:00 francesca     No usable default provider could be found for your system.
01:59 aleisha       oops sorry wrong chat heh
01:59 aleisha       e
01:56 huginn        francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (2:30 PM NZDT on December 02, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
01:56 francesca     @wunder wlg
01:25 * francesca   waves
01:07 wizzyrea      alex_ ^
01:07 wizzyrea      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=148091&namedcmd=Needs%20Signoff&remaction=run&sharer_id=1
00:04 wahanui       goodnight cait. You'll be back.
00:04 cait          night all