Time Nick Message 00:04 cait night all 00:04 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 01:07 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=148091&namedcmd=Needs%20Signoff&remaction=run&sharer_id=1 01:07 wizzyrea alex_ ^ 01:25 * francesca waves 01:56 francesca @wunder wlg 01:56 huginn francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (2:30 PM NZDT on December 02, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 01:59 aleisha e 01:59 aleisha oops sorry wrong chat heh 02:00 francesca No usable default provider could be found for your system. 02:00 francesca ahh wrong window 02:00 * francesca facepalms 02:00 wahanui http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg 02:31 wizzyrea http://pastebin.com/index/pahy9qbm 02:33 wizzyrea http://pastebin.com/iUJZvx4n 03:24 * dcook missed having eythian around in his own time zone 06:33 * magnuse waves 06:43 magnuse dcook! 06:43 dcook magnuse! 06:43 wahanui hmmm... magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 06:43 magnuse i thought you snuck out just before i joined :-) 06:43 dcook I wish :p 06:43 * dcook never leaves 06:43 dcook Trying to do too many things.. 06:43 dcook Thought of another problem with the OAI-PMH harvests... 06:44 dcook So writing about that at the moment, even though I shold've left work 44 minutes ago.. 06:44 dcook Basically, it is all done synchronously, which means it'll be too slow for what andreashm and cait have in mind.. 06:45 dcook I am using an asynchronous framework though (POE)... but getting stuck on blocking HTTP requests... 06:45 dcook So might need to discard HTTP::OAI and use a non-blocking HTTP request POE module to do all the API calls.. 06:45 magnuse yeah, i always thought of oai-pmh as a onec-a-night kind of thing, more than a several-times-a-minute thing 06:45 dcook Me too :/ 06:46 dcook Maybe even a few times a day 06:49 dcook I tested a download of 21 records and it took 4 seconds... which is longer than the 2-3 quoted by andreashm and cait.. 06:50 dcook Although that's using the HTTP::OAI module.. 06:50 dcook Actually, 5 seconds in the browser.. 06:56 dcook I suppose my tests might be bad... 06:56 dcook That they might include too many records.. 07:23 fridolin hie there 07:24 dcook Yo fridolin 07:26 dcook @later tell cait could you look at bug 10662 when you're free? 07:26 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 07:30 dcook Anyway, finally going this time :p 07:41 reiveune hello 07:55 alex_a bonjour 08:07 Joubu hi 08:07 wahanui salut, Joubu 10:19 hagud_ good morning, there is no chat or I have problems with the IRC? 10:25 magnuse hagud_: i think it is just very quiet :-) 10:25 hagud_ ok, thanks I thought I was out of this IRC ;) 10:26 hagud_ just one issue, anybody has installed koha 3_22 or koha 3_20_6 from packages, I think they're not published, right? 10:26 magnuse no, they were not there when i checked yesterday 10:27 magnuse we have a new package manager, so he might need some time to get set up, i guess 10:27 hagud_ ok, thanks! 11:54 drojf hi #koha 11:58 drojf does bug 15218 mean the stage marc records problem is gone for now with plack in 3.22? 11:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15218 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Make processes that rely on background jobs run in CGI mode 12:00 Joubu drojf: yes 12:00 * cait waves 12:00 Joubu it should be (I haven't testà 12:00 Joubu ) 12:02 drojf great, thanks 12:02 drojf hi cait 12:03 cait Joubu++ 12:04 cait hi drojf 12:04 cait travelling without laptop again - but will be back tomorrow :) 12:05 drojf woohoo 12:05 drojf to the office… later #koha 12:10 cait Joubu: are you around tomorrow and fridayß 12:10 cait ? 12:10 Joubu cait: not on friday, I will met PTFS-E guys in Aston :) 12:10 cait oh nice 12:11 cait at the customer day? 12:13 Joubu yes 12:21 magnuse sounds like fun! please give ashimema and atheia a pat on the back from us :-) 12:22 cait exactly that please :) 12:22 cait and also the others 12:22 cait C. and J. ... :) 12:23 cait time to catch my bus home 12:23 cait bye all 12:26 tcohen morning 12:31 magnuse kia ora tcohen 12:32 tcohen kia ora magnuse 12:39 magnuse moin drojf 12:39 drojf hei magnuse 12:59 oleonard Hi druthb 12:59 druthb Hi, oleonard! :) 13:01 magnuse hiya druthb and oleonard 13:01 oleonard I was just thinking about you while I read the numerous translation-related bugs which have come up lately :| 13:01 druthb Nice to be thought-of. :) 13:22 magnuse i have a library that wants to use SearchWithISBNVariations, but then they have to turn off UseQueryParser. it is not clear to me what, if anything, they loose by doing that. anyone know? 13:25 drojf what did they/you turn it on for? :) 13:26 magnuse they want to be able to search for isbns with and without hyphens, so if you search for the hyphenated version you get a hit on the version without hyphens and vice versa 13:26 magnuse that can be achieved with SearchWithISBNVariations, but in order for that to work, UseQueryParser must be off 13:26 drojf i mean what did you turn on the queryparser for? (trying to find what you may lose without it) ;) 13:27 drojf or is it default now? 13:28 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_%26_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC#.28b.29_Adopt_the_Evergreen_QueryParser 13:29 magnuse hm, good question 13:29 drojf or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_%26_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC#.28g.29_Replace_Koha.27s_homegrown_query_parsing_code 13:30 magnuse looks like the default for UseQueryParser is 0 13:30 magnuse i can't remember turning it on for any specific reason 13:30 magnuse maybe just that it was supposed to be better... 13:30 drojf the last time i turned it on somewhere search did not work and i never got back to trying it 13:31 drojf it probably is better :) 13:32 drojf i should try the speed testing with it maybe 13:45 Joubu fredericd: around? 15:13 drojf we have master and 3.20 on the manual webpage. when will there be a 3.22 link, and is that a manual or a website question? :) 15:16 drojf nengard: is there an "official" 3.22 of the manual already? 15:16 nengard yes 15:16 nengard it's not finished though 15:16 drojf thats what i meant, sorry :) 15:16 nengard http://manual.koha-community.org/3.22/en/ 15:16 nengard oh sorry - i still have about 10 things I need to add to it 15:16 nengard so it's pretty darn close!!! 15:16 drojf ah the link works already. perfect! 15:16 nengard yes :) 15:16 nengard it's not 100% complete in terms of new functionality 15:17 * nengard puts on her friendly nagging hat 15:17 nengard and I didn't get to document youtube :( 15:17 nengard hehe 15:17 drojf thats all i need. i am re-doing the template for the info i hand out with free koha instances. and they will be 3.22 soon. so i should ditch the 3.18 link ;) 15:17 * nengard is teasing 15:17 nengard yes you should! 15:17 nengard ditch it 15:18 drojf true, i even fixed the video upload link before :/ so many things to do :( 15:20 nengard hehe 15:20 drojf on the plus side, i moved to a new computer and all is 1000x faster now. once i migrate the old vm i can send a sketch of the patch. it could have million options for things like video format, i left it at one. its more a proof of concept atm really. i lost the fist version of the patch 15:20 nengard wow!! 15:20 nengard good 15:24 drojf oh the desktop version of the 3.22 manual does not exist yet? http://manual.koha-community.org/3.22/en/ works, but http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/3.22/en/html-desktop/ does not 15:24 nengard it kind of does 15:24 nengard it's the master URL 15:24 nengard http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/master/en/html-desktop/ 15:24 nengard but you're right 15:25 drojf i was not sure if putting the master url was a good idea. how often is that changed? meaning, how soon will it have a lot of cool stuff that does not apply to 3.22 anymore? 15:30 JRJMLDirector Is Koha having any problems this morning? 15:31 JRJMLDirector We are running so slowly we keep timing out 15:31 JRJMLDirector checking logs now 15:32 fredericd Joubu: Anything I can do with bug 14939? 15:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , OAI Server classes must be modularized 15:33 drojf JRJMLDirector: do you mean your koha installation? i'm afraid we would not know that. your IT or your service provider shoudl know ;) 15:33 Joubu fredericd: any idea why it does not pass for me? 15:33 oleonard JRJMLDirector: Wrong channel? 15:33 fredericd Version of HTTP::OAI 15:35 Joubu fredericd: 4.03 15:37 fredericd I have 3.27 15:38 fredericd Is it a package or cpan install? 15:38 Joubu package from jessie 15:41 fredericd I've just tried installing HTTP::OAI 4.03 from cpan on a Debian Wheezy 15:41 fredericd And I get your error message: Can't call method "start_element" on an undefined value at /root/.cpanm/work/1449070949.9257/HTTP-OAI-4.03/blib/lib/HTTP/OAI/Verb.pm line 53 15:43 fredericd https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=102010 15:45 Joubu hum, not good... 16:08 reiveune bye 16:28 oleonard does the koha-translate command not work with gitified installations? 16:51 drojf nengard_chicktech: done 16:56 * drojf heads home 17:02 oleonard DataTables ColVis plugin "retired" : http://datatables.net/extensions/colvis/ 17:06 pianohacker ... this really seems like we'll have to recreate a lot of colvis on top of buttons, but I'm not that deep into the docs yet 17:07 pianohacker oh nvm: http://datatables.net/reference/button/colvis 17:08 pianohacker my only worry is that we'll need to convert code to the new datatables api to use this 17:10 oleonard Current list of nightmare upgrades: jQuery, DataTables, Bootstrap. 17:13 oleonard Can't upgrade Bootstrap because of jQuery. Can't upgrade jQuery because of ColVis. Can't easily upgrade DataTables because DataTables. 17:24 pianohacker we can switch colvis over with one centralized change, no? 17:24 pianohacker to column_settings.inc 17:24 xarragon Is there an elegant way to check XML returns in tests? 17:25 xarragon beacuse instantiating a parser and running xpath is a bit messy 17:25 oleonard pianohacker: I'm not familiar with it 17:27 xarragon Something like this for example: https://github.com/joemcmahon/test-xml-simple 17:48 Joubu bye #koha 18:00 drojf when i have an authority record linked to a biblio and i search for an author name that is in the authority record… should the biblio turn up? or does that only work for authority search? 18:02 drojf something like alternative spelling 19:11 cait evening #koha :) 19:18 rangi morning 19:20 drojf noon 19:21 wnickc 2pm 19:28 mveron Hi #koha 19:38 cait hm irc meeting tonight? 19:39 cait did someone send a reminder? 19:39 rangi nope 19:39 rangi not that i saw 19:43 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_2_December_2015 19:43 cait i think it's in 20 minutes 19:43 pianohacker d'oh right when I have to leave to teach 19:45 cait might be a quiet one 19:45 cait should we postpone if noone is here? 19:47 drojf oh another month gone already? 19:47 drojf +1 for postponing 19:48 drojf not really time for a meeting :/ and did not prepare anything regarding voting riules 19:48 drojf *rules 19:49 drojf we should have an automatic email reminder 19:50 drojf what would one use to set that up? 19:52 cait no idea 19:52 rangi yeah postponing sounds good 19:52 rangi i dont think any of the RM or Rmaint will be there 19:53 cait let's wait a few minutes and then postpone if we don't get suddenly overrun :) 19:57 drojf do we have time critical stuff to discuss? 19:58 drojf does not look like it. apart from greece… it would be nice to have a date set 19:59 cait yeah that's true 19:59 drojf usually the dates are anounced shortly after voring, aren't they? may is not too long away 19:59 drojf *voting 19:59 cait maybe we should email and ask nicely 19:59 rangi thats a good idea 19:59 drojf i can do that 19:59 cait who volunteers? :) 19:59 cait aah 20:00 cait i love self-volunteering volunteers :) 20:00 drojf they might show up too 20:00 drojf for the meeting i mean 20:00 drojf no idea 20:00 drojf maybe i could invite them to join the next ;) 20:00 cait they have been at meetings before 20:00 drojf yes 20:00 cait next meeting will be january - wouldn#t mind a date on the mailing list before that :) 20:01 drojf i think not having a reminder is really a problem. a real one, like a day or two before, not 30 minutes. i would have missed all meetings lately if i would not hang around here 20:01 cait hm not sure 20:01 cait i just put the meeting on my calendar 20:01 cait like i would with all other work related meetings 20:02 cait like I do... 20:02 drojf that would be an option too. lol. but my phone broke so i have not used it much 20:02 cait i use thunderbird lightning 20:03 drojf i tried that at some point and… dont remember. did not work? i did not use it then. i had a caldav in owncloud until that decided to not work properly and i did not have time to move it 20:03 drojf my whole life is stuff that does not do things like i want them to, piled up to heaven. i always find other stuff to break 20:04 cait paper calendar? 20:04 cait nothing wrong with that really 20:05 cait and reminders are good - i just don't count 'no reminder' as a totally valid excuse :) 20:06 drojf its no excuse, but i doubt the meeting is the most important thing to a lot of people. we are really just a few people most of the time. if we catch 1 or 2 with a reminder that would not hurt 20:08 thd Has the meeting started? 20:10 thd cait: Have not enough people appeared for the meeting? 20:10 cait thd: most people around voted to postpone 20:10 cait we are waiting a bit longer, but i think it might be the best 20:11 * thd was a little late after handing a nice baby back to his parents. 20:13 cait babies can be nice? 20:14 thd Playing with babies has kept me from many things in the past three years, but has been very satisfying. 20:15 thd Is there any experience with auto-generating email messages for meeting reminders etc.? 20:15 cait i think it could be a problem that our meetings are not regular 20:16 cait so someone would have to touch it every time 20:16 drojf can't that be done with wiki magic? 20:16 Dyrcona Hey! We just postponed/skipped a meeting over in #evergreen on freenode, too. 20:16 cait heh 20:16 thd Obviously, it could not be a traditional cron job but something triggered programmatically. 20:16 cait shoudl we schedule another in december? 20:17 drojf the reminder i mean. is there something calenderish for mediawiki that we could use for dates and reminders? 20:17 thd I will still be here in a week. 20:18 cait shoudl we move it to 9th? 20:18 thd drojf: People would still forget what was on the "pick your calendar". 20:18 cait hm i might have a christmas party that day 20:18 Dyrcona We use Google calendar for Evergreen meetings. Just throwing that out there. 20:18 drojf thd: not if it would send an email ;) 20:18 thd drojf: Yes of course ;) 20:19 cait ... people? 20:20 cait i will leave it open 20:21 thd Dyrcona: Google calendar is non-free software. We should have a FOSS solution. 20:22 Dyrcona thd: Yes. I generally agree with that. 20:22 drojf i tried to follow the discussion about an email alarm in owncloud but gave up after five pages redirecting somewhere else 20:23 cait i have added a comment to th emeeting wiki page 20:23 rangi cait: thank you 20:23 cait maybe bag will want to pick the next meeting date 20:25 thd If we would not have a meeting until January, then ALA midwinter meeting schedule will be an issue. It is in early January for a change. 20:25 cait our RM is travellig until 10th... maybe we can find a date in between 20:32 * thd is going to a presentation about voting methods at MOMATH, http://www.momath.org this evening. 20:34 thd Back to backups. 20:36 drojf thd: are you going to present a summary at the next meeting for the kohacon votings? 20:43 liw mmm, backups. backups are awesome. 20:43 rangi http://www.newsinenglish.no/2015/12/02/oslo-to-build-its-troubled-library/ 20:46 rangi i didnt realise it was in trouble 20:46 drojf where do i put a non-mandatory dependency in debian/control? or do i put it there at all? 20:47 tcohen talljoy++ 20:47 rangi debian/control should be generated by a script 20:47 liw drojf, I think you mean what Debian calls a "Recommends" or a "Suggests" 20:47 talljoy :-) 20:47 rangi i forget the name of the script 20:47 tcohen debian/update-control + debian/rules 20:48 rangi ah yep 20:48 rangi thanks tcohen 20:48 tcohen the latter is called by the first one 20:48 tcohen that should go to the release maintenance wiki 20:48 cait hm i am emailing the list about the member expiry notice :) 20:48 tcohen because we tend to forget, and the packaging manager has extra job 20:49 rangi good point 20:49 wahanui I know! The blade went right through that child! 20:49 rangi ahh eythian 20:49 cait lol 20:50 wizzyrea hehe 20:50 wizzyrea oh speaking of wahanui 20:50 drojf rangi tcohen ok, but where do i put the dependency then? or does the script generate it from the file i use it in? 20:50 wizzyrea I think the bot's running under his account somewhere on one of the community servers 20:51 tcohen drojf: dependencies go to C4::Installer::PerlDependencies 20:51 drojf tcohen: oh just there? i did that :) 20:51 rangi runs on my server wizzyrea 20:51 wizzyrea coooool 20:51 tcohen if you are writing a patch leave teh control file to the rm/rmaint 20:51 rangi when/if it dies i can restart it under my user 20:51 wizzyrea excellent 20:52 drojf tcohen: ok so i'm done when its in PerlDependencies? awesome 20:52 drojf thanks 21:09 rangi cait++ # for knowing everything 21:09 cait um. 21:10 wizzyrea cait++ for knowing many many things 21:18 eythian http://dangerousminds.net/comments/rage_against_the_machine_lyrics_sound_like_break_the_chicken_nuggets_daddy_ <-- rangi 21:19 rangi hehe 21:19 cait eythian: go to bed :P 21:19 eythian cait: :-P 21:19 wizzyrea YES 21:19 wizzyrea hehehehe 21:20 eythian I should soon, still trying to sleep off this cold 21:24 drojf1 when i have an authority record linked to a biblio and i search for an alternative author name that is in the authority record… should the biblio turn up? or does that only work for authority search? something like alternative spelling. 21:24 cait there is a pref for that 21:25 cait drojf1: IncludeSeeFromInSearches 21:25 wahanui i think IncludeSeeFromInSearches is something else entirely, but DidYouMeanFromAuthorities shouldn't be there anymore. 21:25 cait butyou need to reindex 21:27 drojf1 ok then i am not crazy. i was sure that worked at some point :D 21:27 drojf1 cait++ 21:28 cait there should be a koha quiz show on tv... :) 21:28 wizzyrea hehe 21:28 rangi mastermind 21:28 rangi you get to pick your subject 21:28 cait heh 21:28 rangi i dunno if that show even exists anymore though 21:28 wizzyrea so the zebra facets don't seem to currently be working out of the box in devbox 21:28 wizzyrea is there a config that needs to be made to make them work? 21:29 cait hm anything on the about page? 21:29 wizzyrea GOOD QUESTION. 21:29 rangi apparently yes, it still does exist 21:29 Francesca morning 21:29 cait hi Francesca :) 21:29 wizzyrea nope 21:29 rangi hi Francesca 21:30 wizzyrea oh wait 21:30 wizzyrea 1mo let me turn them on again 21:30 wizzyrea no, nothing in the about page 21:30 cait hm 21:31 cait are they activated in the koha-conf.xml file? 21:32 wizzyrea yep 21:33 wizzyrea nothing in the log either 21:34 cait hm reindexed since activation? 21:34 wizzyrea I'll try that but these records would have been indexed with it on 21:34 wizzyrea i.e. I added them, and they would have been indexed then, with the facets on. 21:34 pianohacker What's the current procedure for patches that use Koha::Database on tables they introduce? Is the patch expected to include the new autogenerated files in Koha/Schema/Result, to ease testing? 21:35 cait pianohacker: you can, but please in a separate patch 21:35 wizzyrea nope that didn't fix it. 21:35 cait easier when rebasing and easier for th etester, because they don't need to remember to run the script 21:35 pianohacker cait: makes sense. 21:36 cait and makes it sandbox testable 21:36 pianohacker right 21:36 cait so some pros to including it 21:36 wnickc thanks cait++ 21:37 cait wizzyrea: no facets showing up at all on your searches? 21:37 wizzyrea nope 21:37 wizzyrea neither interface 21:38 cait hm 21:38 cait you could also check the dom config files 21:38 cait to see if the facet entries are there 21:39 pianohacker wizzyrea: cleared memcached? 21:39 wizzyrea on devbox? 21:40 wizzyrea memcached: unrecognized service 21:41 pianohacker hm, guess not 21:41 pianohacker "memcache", maybe? 21:42 wizzyrea there's no config for memcached on the devbox, it's not a thing that comes with an out of the box devbox. 21:45 pianohacker :/ I wish it did... there's issues that can only be tested with memcached like 14735 21:45 pianohacker but at least it's not your problem :) 21:45 wizzyrea true 21:45 pianohacker bug 14735 21:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14735 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , cache_expiry is not saved when updating a SQL report 21:46 pianohacker (also, unrelated, paging through Z39.50 search results in Rancor is DOG slow without memcached, as it has to refetch all the results every time) 21:46 wizzyrea that sounds terrible. 21:47 rangi makes sense though 21:47 rangi at least in a non persistent environment 21:47 pianohacker yeah, too slow to paginate client-side, unfortunately 21:47 rangi yeah 21:48 pianohacker so yeah, rangi, it uses Koha::Cache, which'll of course fall back to Cache::Memory which is o/c only useful in plack 21:48 rangi yeah 21:48 pianohacker yeah 21:48 rangi MMap is pretty cool 21:48 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~robm/Cache-FastMmap-1.43/lib/Cache/FastMmap.pm 21:48 rangi you can use that with Koha::Cache too 21:49 pianohacker do you need any config, or will it just fall back to that before Cache::Memory if the module's installed? 21:49 rangi i think yeah if its installed uses it 21:49 pianohacker sweet 21:49 rangi it's been a while since i tried it 22:27 tcohen bye 22:30 wizzyrea later 22:54 * cait1 needs someone to make her tea because she keeps forgetting