Time  Nick        Message
00:47 pianohacker hi dcook
00:50 dcook       yo pianohacker
02:14 tcohen      hi
02:37 wizzyrea    hi tcohen :)
06:55 * magnuse   waves
06:59 rangi       hi magnuse
07:06 magnuse     kia ora rangi
07:09 magnuse     @wunder wellington
07:09 huginn      magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:09 magnuse     @wunder wellington, nz
07:09 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 01, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
07:10 magnuse     @wunder boo
07:10 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (7:50 AM CET on December 01, 2015). Conditions: Snow Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Rising).
07:10 eythian     @wunder alexandra, nz
07:10 huginn      eythian: The current temperature in Molyneux Estate, Alexandra, New Zealand is 23.3°C (8:09 PM NZDT on December 01, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
07:10 eythian     my parents were telling me all about it :/
07:10 magnuse     lulz, where is that? in the north?
07:11 * magnuse   wanders over to google maps
07:11 rangi       heya eythian, how's living above a canal going?
07:12 magnuse     oh, way down in the south!
07:12 eythian     magnuse: yeah, where my parents live, it's inland enough to get hot (and cold in winter)
07:13 eythian     rangi: it's OK, cept I have a terrible cold right on my first week of work.
07:13 magnuse     ouch!
07:13 eythian     just emailed to start looking for a real apt though, that'll be good
07:13 eythian     (this one is a bit out of the way, in the next city over.)
07:13 magnuse     @wunder amstelveen
07:13 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in v. H. Goedhartlaan, Amstelveen - North, Amstelveen, Netherlands is 7.8°C (8:13 AM CET on December 01, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
07:15 magnuse     clutha river - any trout in there?
07:15 eythian     yes
07:15 eythian     (well, I'm pretty sure - there's trout in many rivers around there.)
07:27 magnuse     yay
07:28 * magnuse   read books about fishing trout in nz while growing up
07:33 eythian     I used to go fishing for trout in NZ while growing up ☺
07:37 magnuse     lucky you :-)
07:37 magnuse     on the other hand, i used to go fishing for trout in norway while growing up ;-)
07:37 magnuse     i hope i can pass that interest on to my 3.5 year old...
07:45 reiveune    hello
07:47 magnuse     bonjour reiveune et fridolin
07:50 reiveune    salut magnuse
07:51 alex_a      bonjour
07:51 wahanui     niihau, alex_a
08:03 Joubu       hello
09:17 magnuse     this is weird. i am helping out with an installation someone else did. when we go to "about koha" we get the error "DBIC result type  isn't of the type Borrower at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Objects.pm line 87"
09:17 magnuse     anyone else seen that?
09:18 magnuse     everything else seems normal
09:18 magnuse     and it's not using the "database user"
09:19 magnuse     and it's version 3.20.5, installed using the debian packages
09:19 magnuse     i can not reproduce on other 3.20.5 installs
09:23 Joubu       magnuse: check the pref AnonymousPatron
09:23 * andreashm waves
09:23 Joubu       magnuse: it's certainly related to l.91&92 of about.pl
09:25 magnuse     it is set to 0123456 which looks kind of random...
09:26 magnuse     there is a patron with that cardnumber, but AnonymousPatron should take the borrowernumber, right?
09:27 Joubu       magnuse: yes it's a borrowernumber, but I have tested with a nonexistent borrowernumber and I didn't get the dbic error
09:28 magnuse     well it worked for me! i changed from the cardnumber to the borrowernumber, and now "about koha" displays as it should
09:28 magnuse     Joubu++
09:31 Joubu       hum, weird :)
09:31 Joubu       There is a bug anyway
09:35 magnuse     i'll see if i can reproduce
09:35 magnuse     hiya andreashm
09:36 andreashm   hey magnuse!
09:36 wahanui     magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
09:37 magnuse     mohahaha
09:37 andreashm   that never gets old, does it? =)
09:41 magnuse     :-)
09:42 andreashm   hi khall
09:53 magnuse     hm, i cant reproduce it either (on my master/dev install). Joubu: do you still think i should report it as a bug?
09:54 magnuse     ah, i *can* reproduce on 3.20.5
09:55 Joubu       magnuse: if you manage to understand when it fails, it could be good to get a patch for it, yes :)
09:55 Joubu       I have tried with a non existent borrowernumber and didn't get the error
09:56 Joubu       ha, I get the error  with "0123456" :)
10:00 Joubu       magnuse: fixed by 6882949b1b3bd1284e3d2877244a64edee3883ca
10:01 Joubu       well no, forget that. It's fixed by this patch on master, but it's not a standalone patch
10:04 magnuse     bug 13967
10:04 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13967 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add package for System preferences
10:07 magnuse     i'll report it as a bug in 3.20.5 then
10:07 Joubu       magnuse: I am on it
10:07 Joubu       2sec
10:08 Joubu       magnuse: bug 15270
10:08 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15270 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Koha::Objects->find can exploded if searching for nonexistent record
10:09 magnuse     ah, cool!
10:17 drojf       hi #koha
10:19 Joubu       magnuse: it's now waiting for a signoff ;)
10:21 magnuse     Joubu: i'll see what i can do after lunch
10:21 magnuse     tanks for a quick fix!
10:49 Joubu       magnuse: what does the save op in members/nl-search.pl?
10:50 mveron      Hi #koha
11:55 drojf       Joubu: thanks for trying the tests without 11842. on the plus side, we have more room for optimizing if its not relevant ;)
11:57 Joubu       drojf: it's not for the selenium tests, but it could be for something else :)
11:58 drojf       it is definitely for opac searching
11:59 drojf       but what looks like huge improvements on the raspi may not be much on a real server ;) anyway its pretty good to test these things
12:00 drojf       i am trying to have a little less loops in search. like getting xml records immediately instead of a blog (which is actually xml too) and convert it several times later. looks like it still works, i only broke facets ;)
12:00 drojf       *blob
12:13 drojf       later #koha
12:50 oleonard    Hi #koha
12:54 chris_n     heya oleonard
12:54 wahanui     hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
12:56 tcohen      hi
12:56 wahanui     salut, tcohen
12:58 tcohen      morning
12:59 * magnuse   waves
13:01 magnuse     Joubu: sorry for the delay. it takes data from the national patron database and saves it as a new user in koha
13:03 Joubu       magnuse: I was wondering if erasing the existing patron attributes was the expected behavior
13:11 magnuse     Joubu: does it do that?
13:12 Joubu       141         SetBorrowerAttributes($borrowernumber, [ { code => 'fnr', value => $cgi->param('fnr_hash') }, ] );
13:13 Joubu       SetBorrowerAttributes does a DELETE FROM attr where borrowernumber=$borrowernumber
13:13 Joubu       So yes, I think it does
13:14 magnuse     yeah, but it is done for a patron that was created a few lines before, so i don't think that is a problem
13:16 Joubu       magnuse: ha yes, exact! I thought it was called on update too.
13:19 magnuse     it is just the save that is special, because it gets the data from the national database. updates are not treated in a special way, as far as i remember
13:41 xarragon    So when I am implementing something specific to certain country, can I just hardcode any message strings in that countrys language, or should I use some translation facilities?
13:42 magnuse     xarragon: i have done it english and let it be picked up by the translation tools. but there might be a better way
13:42 xarragon    magnuse: Well that sounds more proper than hardcoding it.
13:43 xarragon    I have looked at the libraries integrated with this service, some use english, some use swedish and the interface itself is available in english and swedish, but there is no way to request a specific language it seems (for the requests tot he local library for item status)
14:26 magnuse     wow, nso is below 200!
14:36 nengard     morning all
14:37 oleonard    Hi nengard
14:37 nengard     oleonard!!!!!!!!
14:37 wahanui     oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
14:37 nengard     WOOO HOO :) hehe
14:37 * nengard   missed oleonard
14:38 oleonard    Thanks nengard I missed you too!
14:38 nengard     how are things?
14:39 oleonard    Things are fine. My web site rebuilding project is done so I get to be "distracted" by Koha again :)
14:50 xarragon    Hmm, how are item statuses defined in Koha anyway?
14:50 xarragon    I see that some item hashes have specific keys for 'damaged' etc.
14:50 xarragon    Is there some formal definition for the status?
14:54 nengard     oleonard koha distractions are good :)
14:54 oleonard    No argument from me
15:22 nengard     drawing a blank - what is the sys pref that lets you decide if the name or barcode shows on the patron circ history  ....
15:57 pianohacker mornin'
15:58 mveron      Hi again everybody
15:59 mveron      t/db_dependent/Reserves.t fails with test 14  - is it only me or can anybody confirm?
15:59 mveron      Bug 15244
15:59 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15244 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , t/db_dependent/Reserves.t fails with test 14
16:10 reiveune    bye
16:10 pianohacker mveron: so just prove on that test?
16:10 mveron      pianohacker: Thet would be great!
16:10 mveron      Thanks!
16:10 * mveron    is called to a meeting...
16:21 pianohacker mveron: responded to the bug
16:30 pianohacker mveron: did that make sense?
16:31 mveron      I'm still exploring...
16:35 mveron      pianohacker: Commented on bug...
16:37 pianohacker well, okay, so it's not gremlins
16:37 pianohacker mveron: we'll have to bounce this off of srdjan or khall since they know the holds code
16:40 mveron      khall: ^^   It would be great if you could have a look at Bug 15244
16:40 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15244 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , t/db_dependent/Reserves.t fails with test 14
16:40 khall       I'll see what I can do mveron!
16:41 mveron      Thanks!
16:41 mveron      khall++
16:41 mveron      pianohacker++
16:48 janPasi__   is there documentation for borrower_permissions somewere?
16:48 janPasi__   i.e. which permission_module_id/permission_id is which permission?
16:49 oleonard    Not strictly a Koha question, but if anyone has a moment: What could be a cause for incorrect sorting of simple (english) varchar data in mysql?
16:50 janPasi__   the change from flags/user_permissions broke some of our migration scripts severely, so I need to rewrite all the stuff that deals with setting permissions for the personnel
16:51 pianohacker oleonard: check the collation, could be swedish
16:51 pianohacker (really)
16:52 janPasi__   since the new permission system doesn't use clear "code" like the old user_permissions did, this seems to be a very laboursome task
16:52 janPasi__   unless it's properly documented somewere ofcourse
16:52 oleonard    Thanks pianohacker I've checked the collation on the table column. Tried utf8_general_ci and utf8mb4_unicode_ci.
16:52 pianohacker janPasi__: are you talking about the 2.2 purely numeric permissions, or what change do you mean?
16:53 pianohacker huh, okay. That's odd, oleonard
16:53 janPasi__   pianohacker: nope, I recently did an upgrade to a newer koha-version from our national koha-git repository
16:54 pianohacker janPasi__: from which version to which version?
16:54 janPasi__   pianohacker: well that's the weird thing, from 3.16 to 3.16 :D
16:54 pianohacker odd. Which minor versions?
16:54 janPasi__   pianohacker: but this new "3.16" seems to have a completely different permission system from the old 3.16
16:56 janPasi__   they both report
16:56 pianohacker wut
16:56 janPasi__   yeah, weird :D
16:56 Joubu       janPasi__: what do you call a new permission system?
16:56 janPasi__   the old permission system that had "flags" in borrowers table and a separate user_permissions table seems to have gone
16:57 janPasi__   they're replaced with a new table called borrower_permissions
16:57 Joubu       no, it's still present in current master
16:57 Joubu       there is no borrower_permissions table
16:57 janPasi__   well we do :D
16:57 Joubu       where do you see that?
16:58 janPasi__   well I see it in koha database :D
16:58 Joubu       in your Koha database :)
16:58 janPasi__   plus that the user_permissions table is gone
16:58 janPasi__   as well as flags column from borrowers table
16:58 Joubu       because you removed it?
16:58 janPasi__   nope, i think some database update removed it
16:58 janPasi__   i didn't touch it
16:59 Joubu       a "borrower" permission has been removed recently
16:59 Joubu       no, "borrow"
16:59 janPasi__   so this must have something to do with our national koha version
16:59 pianohacker janPasi__: it must, because community 3.16.04 does not have any mention of borrower_permissions
17:00 Joubu       you have lost the user_permissions and the borrower.flags column? outch
17:00 Joubu       I hope you have backup somewhere
17:00 pianohacker janPasi__: do you have a weird atomicupdate sitting around?
17:01 janPasi__   Joubu: yeah, but there is no problem with losing them :D the permissions got migrated to the new permission system, they seem to be correct
17:01 janPasi__   the problem is that I have to add some users and some permissions and I have no clue how to do that with borrower_permissions
17:02 janPasi__   i know how to do that with borrower.flags and user_permissions :D
17:02 Joubu       Same for us, we cannot help you :)
17:03 janPasi__   i really dislike this new borrower_permissions table :D
17:03 janPasi__   it's horrible
17:04 pianohacker janPasi__: yeah, you need to poke your developer and tell them not to do crazy stuff and not send it to community
17:04 pianohacker we want all the crazy stuff!
17:04 janPasi__   http://pastebin.com/xXMC9nhc
17:04 janPasi__   i believe it's this
17:05 janPasi__   but i can't seem to find any documentation for it
17:06 Joubu       janPasi__: Are you a Olli colleague?
17:07 janPasi__   sort of, yeah
17:07 janPasi__   I work in Oulu, he works in Joensuu
17:08 Joubu       Maybe he was involved in this change
17:08 janPasi__   Unfortunately he is in cambodia, so I can't really ask him at the moment :D
17:08 janPasi__   but I'll try bugging someone in Joensuu
17:12 Joubu       janPasi__: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14540
17:12 huginn      04Bug 14540: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Move member-flags.pl to PermissionsManager to better manage permissions for testing.
17:12 Joubu       here is your doc
17:12 Joubu       good luck
17:16 janPasi__   we're in the middle of migration from old PallasPro system to Koha
17:16 janPasi__   these kind of things are exactly what we don't need right now
17:17 Joubu       this is one of the risks when you use a fork and not the official version
17:17 janPasi__   well the fork has some other things that we absolutely need
17:19 pianohacker and there's the tradeoff...
17:21 janPasi__   :D
17:22 janPasi__   well i'll just call it a day for now and worry about it tomorrow
17:23 janPasi__   it's almost half past seven, we'll be closing at eight o'clock anyway
17:43 xarragon    So what category would I stick a Sweden-specific item availability retrieval function in ILSDI?
17:44 xarragon    "Level 1: Basic discovery interfaces"? It is basically a clone of GetAvailability
18:38 drojf       i think its confusing when people on mailing lists state their problem and then don't ask anything.
18:57 Joubu       have a good evening #koha
19:01 rangi       morning
19:11 drojf       hi rangi
19:51 pianohacker mveron: nice catch on bug 15244
19:51 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15244 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , t/db_dependent/Reserves.t depends on external data/configuration
19:53 mveron      pianohacker: I needed some patience to catch this fish...   :-)
21:15 rangi       hey alex_
21:15 * wizzyrea  waves to alex_
21:16 aleisha     alex_: https://wiki.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz/wiki/Koha/Starting_in_Koha_Team
21:22 rangi       alex_: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Starting_in_Catalyst_Koha_team
21:27 drojf       is alex_ the successor of eythian at catalyst?
21:28 rangi       only for this week :)
21:28 tcohen      hi
21:28 drojf       oh ok :) hi alex_
21:28 drojf       hi tcohen
21:30 drojf       wizzyrea: did you get pbuilder to work?
21:31 wizzyrea    Yes!
21:31 wizzyrea    it was a combination of things. :)
21:31 drojf       oh, the worst ;)
21:31 wizzyrea    the version number was wrong, and there was a missing-but-not-required dependency in the pbuilder environment
21:32 wizzyrea    (ttf-dejavu)
21:32 cdickinson  hi alex_
21:32 wizzyrea    (which apparently we assume is installed, and that's probably pretty daft)
21:32 drojf       oh. that one is new
21:32 wizzyrea    not that new
21:32 drojf       no i mean that as a source of error
21:32 drojf       i thought i had all of them regarding pbuilder ;)
21:32 wizzyrea    ^.^
21:32 alex_       Is bugzilla  for keeping track of malware threats to koha? What does it actually do?
21:33 wizzyrea    bugzilla is for keeping track of all bugs in Koha
21:33 wizzyrea    there's a security area
21:33 wizzyrea    https://koha-community.org/security/ < about that
21:51 alex_       There is no ubuntu OS version of Vagrant only Mac OSX, Windows, Debian, Centos. Is it ok to download vagrant debian version 64 bit?
21:51 rangi       yup that should be fine
21:51 alex_       Thanks
21:52 cdickinson  alex_: usually the Debian versions of packages are compatible with Ubuntu, anything that doesn't will usually have a Ubuntu-specific one anyway
21:52 ibeardslee  There is vagrant in Ubuntu, make sure you have the Universe repository enabled.
21:52 ibeardslee  and then you can just 'sudo apt-get install vagrant'
21:52 rangi       ibeardslee: we want to grab the version from the vagrant site
21:53 ibeardslee  ahh ok
21:53 rangi       the one packaged is a bit too old
21:53 rangi       or it was .. it might be fine now
21:55 ibeardslee  not ideal if you end up with Virtual Box 5.0, need to use the Vagrant website one, the trusty one works fine with Virtual Box 4.3
21:55 ibeardslee  I mean "The Ubuntu version is .. "
21:59 wizzyrea    the instructions on devbox are pretty ok
22:00 tcohen      wizzyrea: I updated the ansible branch's one, so it mentions installing ansible :-P
22:00 wizzyrea    :D
22:00 wizzyrea    I am sorry I haven't had a chance to try the ansible one yet >.<
22:00 * wizzyrea  fails
22:00 aleisha     how do i set a patron's privacy settings to "never" for keeping a circulation history
22:01 rangi       hmm i think in the opac
22:02 aleisha     wait i figured it out
22:02 aleisha     'Help' is useful
22:02 rangi       :)
22:11 mveron      drojf: Did you see the following? "Ausleihen sind GESPERRT weil Gebührenkonto ist ÜBER BEGRENZUNG. " Hmm, that is very ugly...
22:12 drojf       mveron: no i didn't
22:12 drojf       but i agree
22:25 mveron      drojf: Bug 15274
22:25 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15274 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Better translatability for circulation.pl / circulation.tt
22:26 mveron      Oh, it's late. Good night / daytime #koha
22:33 rangi       ibeardslee: do we have any bootable media down there with a recent ubuntu on it?
22:56 ibeardslee  yes
22:57 ibeardslee  did he break it?
23:40 wizzyrea    alex_: http://pastebin.com/pahy9qbm
23:45 cait        waves
23:45 aleisha     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
23:48 wizzyrea    hi cait
23:49 cait        hi all :)