Time  Nick        Message
23:59 wahanui     goodnight cait. You'll be back.
23:59 cait        night all
23:51 pianohacker oh spit
23:49 tcohen      oh s*it
23:38 * tcohen    forgot to announce string freeze!
23:38 cait        the last missing pieces to get rid of C4::Dates for good...
23:37 cait        ... and when i wake up... someone has magically signed off Bug 14870        - Delete C4/Dates.pm from System please? :)
23:25 cait        i'd say so
23:25 tcohen      so probably worth fixing a couple things hm
23:25 cait        i think probably more
23:24 tcohen      i think zebra will be around for another year and maybe more
23:24 cait        hope it doesn't take us as long to learn from past mistakes at least...
23:23 tcohen      I hope we do it right in ES
23:22 tcohen      many things we do *after* we get the data from Zebra
23:22 tcohen      c
23:22 tcohen      calculating vailable items ,et
23:22 tcohen      opacsupression would be a candidate
23:22 tcohen      we should've taken advantage of DOM a long ago!
23:21 cait        and all the mistakes we made...
23:21 cait        kind of a pity.... we finally start to figure out all th things
23:20 tcohen      for them
23:20 tcohen      it is a legacy project
23:20 tcohen      zebra is ok, but it is no longer a profitable project for indexdata (it hasn't been for a while) so we need to move away from it, ASAP
23:19 huginn      barton|away: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
23:19 barton|away @dcook++ all the time, when it comes to zebra.
23:19 wnickc      cait++ all the time
23:18 dcook       Need a few minutes to breathe between things
23:18 dcook       I'm already overworked as it is... although of course right now I'm in IRC, but that's probably a testament to how much work I have at the moment...
23:18 dcook       I don't necessarily want to commit to a role that I couldn't invest in
23:17 dcook       tcohen: Well, I am intrigued by the technical aspects... but I think the political aspects would be the tougher part
23:16 tcohen      easy
23:16 barton|away by the way dcook, your email about zebra logging was a piece of awesome that I wasn't expecting.
23:16 cait        wnickc++
23:16 tcohen      dcook: i can build a debianzebramaintainerbox vagrant with all you need for maintaining it
23:15 barton|away I'd vote the same way :-)
23:15 dcook       I want to do a lot of projects, but I know my limits...
23:15 barton|away hm. that's a bit more than I want to bite off.
23:15 dcook       cait++
23:15 dcook       tcohen++
23:15 * dcook     thinks tcohen is also a legend
23:14 dcook       :p
23:14 dcook       I'm going to have a baby soon, so not it.
23:14 barton|away hmm.
23:14 dcook       ...
23:14 dcook       it
23:14 dcook       Perhaps one of us could take over maintaining
23:14 dcook       The Debian maintainer for Zebra doesn't seem all that keen on maintaining it
23:14 dcook       I think in the future it might be worthwhile to use the Zebra and YAZ from Indexdata's repositories rather than the Debian ones...
23:13 dcook       barton|away: :p
23:13 * bag       knocking on wood and all that
23:13 dcook       So bonne chance!
23:13 dcook       Last time I ran some updates on my laptop, I spent a fair while afterwards re-installing everything...
23:13 cait        fingerscrossed :)
23:12 bag         gonna run some updates on my computer wish me some lucks (hopefully I return :) )
23:12 barton|away :-)
23:12 barton|away dcook: they are 'helpful' much in the way that Mt. Everist is 'big'.
23:08 bag         nice job barton chili
23:07 dcook       cait: It's unfortunate that the opacsuppression patch is needed, but hopefully that will reduce the number of headaches and support calls over that issue
23:07 dcook       barton|away: I hope that all my Zebra emails have been helpful ;)
23:07 dcook       cait: I'm glad you liked it :)
23:03 cait        Francesca++:)
23:03 Francesca   so much fun! so much stuff to make pretty!
23:03 wizzyrea    yep, there's no rush really
23:02 Francesca   I can also take a look at that - just not right now as I have to do other stuff
23:02 tcohen      Francesca: a good strting point would trying  to make the main submit button on the staff interface match the rest of the interface's style
23:01 Francesca   wizzyrea: thanks I'll take a look at those
23:00 cait        it certainly was - i still need to get my sip test enviornment working again
22:59 huginn      04Bug 14915: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Use Font Awesome instead of Glyphicons for the staff intranet
22:59 wizzyrea    Francesca: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14915 looking at the patches for this might give you an idea of where to start or how to go about it.
22:59 cait        i think it's a good fix
22:59 cait        we have fallen for the opacsuppression trap a lot of times
22:59 dcook       That it was easier?
22:59 cait        it's not quite true either
22:59 dcook       Nah, still a legend :)
22:58 cait        ... when is say it looked just easier than the sip bug next to it... will that destroy that reputation?
22:58 dcook       You're a legend!
22:57 dcook       Thanks for QAing that bug, cait :)
22:56 Francesca   its just so awesome
22:56 Francesca   I'm looking at this font awesome stuff and wishing I'd known about it before
22:54 Francesca   might not get started on the opac till tomorrow though - have choir stuff this afternoon
22:53 wizzyrea    yep, that's a sound plan
22:53 Francesca   then I shall turn my attention to the opac
22:53 Francesca   well let me set up font awesome on my own page first
22:51 wizzyrea    ^
22:51 Francesca   yay!
22:51 tcohen      the pretty stuff cannot wait!
22:51 tcohen      no no Francesca
22:51 bag         I’m looking at bugs :)  that’s my day
22:51 bag         :)
22:51 eythian     just rewrite it in java
22:51 Francesca   I can do pretty stuff once bug fixing is done
22:51 tcohen      heh
22:51 tcohen      bag will take care
22:51 tcohen      we will then revamp the whole project
22:50 tcohen      can we focus on bug fixes? for a couple days?
22:50 Francesca   I could do that yeah - how do I get to the opac though
22:49 wizzyrea    you should do that, and then go through the opac and fix the icons everywhere to use font-awesome
22:49 Francesca   lol
22:49 * Francesca makes a note to use font awesome on one of her old webpages
22:49 wizzyrea    I'd hope so, since it's got "awesome" in the name.
22:48 Francesca   this looks awesome
22:48 cait        okok :)
22:48 wizzyrea    well it knows everything about font awesome :P
22:48 Francesca   and so does wahanui
22:48 cait        i hope not :)
22:48 wizzyrea    google knows everything ^.^
22:47 Francesca   lol
22:47 cait        ... but someone else can probalby explain it better
22:47 Francesca   oh cool
22:47 cait        Francesca: svg picture you can use like characters in a font
22:47 wizzyrea    :)
22:47 wizzyrea    Francesca could do that :0
22:47 cait        and someone has to do it heh :)
22:47 Francesca   what is font awesome?
22:47 wizzyrea    it's only a matter of time amirite
22:47 cait        not sure if it's availalbe for opac yet
22:46 Francesca   font awesome?
22:46 wizzyrea    so they were pretty excited when I told them :)
22:46 wizzyrea    our designers were asking about adding fontawesome yonks ago
22:46 cait        some look a bit or more different to before
22:46 tcohen      yes, they are
22:46 wizzyrea    ^
22:46 cait        svg i tink
22:46 tcohen      is that thing…
22:46 wizzyrea    I think they're vector
22:46 tcohen      even if they are… similar
22:45 tcohen      they look polished
22:45 cait        yeah
22:45 wizzyrea    they scale better.
22:45 cait        somehow
22:45 wizzyrea    they are
22:45 cait        i think they appear... clearer?
22:45 tcohen      khall_away: I love the font awesome icons
22:44 wizzyrea    if you looked at me whilst coming in to work today, you'd realise that I actually quite like green, generally. :)
22:39 Francesca   mmm
22:39 wizzyrea    (I like green for decoration, but not for things like links)
22:38 Francesca   thats good
22:38 cait        yeah red/green as indicators for something are not good
22:37 eythian     for decoration I think it's OK
22:37 eythian     green for differentiation can be bad
22:35 * Francesca thinks guiltly of the dashboard
22:34 wizzyrea    nah, green is bad for colour blind people
22:34 Francesca   buut thats just me
22:34 Francesca   I want to make it greener somehow
22:33 wizzyrea    http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1447886014.png \o/
22:23 wizzyrea    TypeError: this.oApi._fnServerParams is not a function
22:23 wizzyrea    hum, did we know that deleting quotes makes the interface hang at "processing"
22:22 mveron      good night / daytime #koha
22:20 wizzyrea    teehee
22:19 eythian     https://imgur.com/V9IMBIr
22:19 wizzyrea    that's going to take some thinking
22:19 wizzyrea    that... will be a challenge on the "tags moderation" page because of the filters that are already in that sidebar.
22:17 wizzyrea    there are probably tools that aren't listed in the sidebar too
22:17 wizzyrea    uneven in application :/
22:17 wizzyrea    yeah actually that's an omnibus, there are quite a few tools that don't have it
22:16 cait        maybe add a bug?
22:16 cait        wizzyrea: i'd like that
22:16 cait        ew
22:16 wizzyrea    to match many of the other tools
22:16 wizzyrea    I wanted to add that "tools" sidebar to it
22:16 wizzyrea    oh there was another thing I wanted to do to the label creator too.
22:15 wizzyrea    actually I'd love to fix up the tools page.
22:15 pianohacker hehehe
22:15 wizzyrea    http://images.fun.com/products/18352/1-1/star-wars-rancor-plush.jpg
22:14 pianohacker I think the star wars character would make a lumpy, angry icon
22:14 cait        with a little dinosaur?
22:14 pianohacker instant rancor
22:14 pianohacker there should be a rancor button in the top toolbar
22:14 pianohacker yes
22:14 wizzyrea    (give or take)
22:14 cait        hm and tools
22:14 wizzyrea    it's 50% of the reason a librarian might use Koha
22:13 wizzyrea    I've never been sure why cataloguing was under "more"
22:13 cait        like the more at the top :)
22:13 cait        true
22:12 * Francesca just pays attention to the idea that something needs prettying up
22:12 wizzyrea    that more menu is a hodgepodge of "stuff"
22:12 Francesca   cool
22:11 Francesca   oh
22:11 wizzyrea    Francesca: for the borrower details/circulation pages
22:11 wahanui     no it's not.
22:11 eythian     that's right
22:11 cait        = pepper
22:11 cait        pfeffer
22:11 eythian     also pfepper or however you say it :)
22:10 wizzyrea    permissions is both a function and a view
22:10 cait        horse?
22:10 eythian     who puts "pf" like that?
22:10 eythian     what is with "pferd" anyway?
22:10 wizzyrea    slug
22:10 cait        what's a naked snail in english?
22:10 eythian     good poing
22:10 cait        pf
22:10 eythian     cait: sure, but not creative :)
22:09 cait        eythian: and most of those words are very fitting!
22:09 Francesca   what for?
22:09 wahanui     it has been said that interface is optional.
22:09 Francesca   interface?
22:09 pianohacker the interface could use some love tho
22:09 * eythian   notes that "orange" (the colour) in English comes from "orange" (the fruit.) Not the other way around.
22:09 pianohacker yeah...
22:09 cait        wizzyrea: hm not sur aboutthe tab... we already got so many and it only applies to a few users
22:08 Francesca   lol ground apple
22:08 eythian     fair enough :)
22:08 cait        that depends on where you ask people in germany :)
22:08 wizzyrea    instead of under "more"
22:08 wizzyrea    I just had the rather daft thought that maybe that function should be a tab on the side
22:08 eythian     cait: is potato "ground apple" there too?
22:08 pianohacker ?
22:07 wizzyrea    hm. I'm thinking about how we "hide" setting permissions
22:07 cait        we have 'under-the-earth-bringing' tho...
22:07 eythian     that doesn't make it better
22:07 cait        and i have no idea about into-the-groundening
22:07 cait        hm go wheel i would translate to drive wheel...
22:06 cait        eythian: heh
22:05 eythian     http://www.itchyfeetcomic.com/2014/09/limited-creativity-pt-2.html <-- cait
22:04 pianohacker I knew it!
22:04 wizzyrea    <sympathy>
22:04 cait        wizzyrea: ... i just did one of those fail qas where immediaely after you hit 'save' in bugzilla, you know it's your fault
22:00 pianohacker I would have been surprised by that too
22:00 pianohacker that's not actually a dumb question
21:58 wizzyrea    bless you all for putting up with my dumb questions
21:57 wizzyrea    aha
21:56 cait        so it doesn't get listed when you run it in another language
21:56 cait        i think the normarc sample data/frameworks etc. only exist in the norwegian web installer
21:56 wahanui     well, it's morning somewhere, yes
21:56 Francesca   good morning
21:56 cait        hm i think it only appars for norwegian
21:54 wizzyrea    but someone might.
21:54 wizzyrea    I don't actually care that it's not there
21:54 wizzyrea    just curious
21:54 wizzyrea    how come normarc isn't an option in the installer, don't we support it?
21:53 wizzyrea    yeah.
21:53 cait        ah . sql.
21:53 cait        how do i best find hte one suppressed record in my db...
21:53 cait        hm
21:52 wizzyrea    of course it's got the 20 in there. because there were 10 records, twice. Ugh.
21:51 wizzyrea    that completely explains the database though
21:50 cait        ... I had a bad bugzilla day yesterday too
21:50 * cait      sends chocolate
21:50 * wizzyrea  dumps that database, we are breaking up for good.
21:50 wizzyrea    >.< yes
21:50 cait        wizzyrea: doubles up records in your db?
21:50 wizzyrea    no I don't want to be slapped by a trout.
21:49 eythian     hmm
21:49 huginn      eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
21:49 eythian     @fish wizzyrea
21:49 wizzyrea    that is fine
21:49 wizzyrea    yes
21:49 cait        wizzyrea: can we tickle?
21:49 wizzyrea    please don't
21:49 eythian     he is
21:49 wizzyrea    oh. don't hit me
21:48 cait        tcohen: i think he is in chch today - see twitter
21:48 huginn      tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:48 tcohen      @later tell rangi is it possible to kick the jenkins server, just in case it wakes up?
21:48 * wizzyrea  reindexes
21:47 wizzyrea    http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1447883251.png
21:47 cait        hm
21:47 wizzyrea    I tried with both
21:47 cait        private or public list?
21:46 wizzyrea    that's so weird. I can get it every time
21:46 cait        wizzyrea: hm checing the views again
21:46 pianohacker wizzyrea: can't dup
21:45 pianohacker oh
21:44 wizzyrea    works for me
21:44 pianohacker cause the answer may be both
21:44 pianohacker what's a wfm?
21:43 wizzyrea    was that a wfm or a wtf?
21:42 pianohacker wft
21:42 wizzyrea    but it's not putting doubles in the db
21:42 wizzyrea    and only when select all
21:42 wizzyrea    it is definitely displaying double ups on the list result page for me
21:41 wizzyrea    that's aside.
21:41 wizzyrea    "List deleted with success." lol this message.
21:40 wizzyrea    let me look at what's in the database
21:39 cait        my list stays at 20 entires = 1 result list hm.
21:39 wizzyrea    it's not explicitly adding them twice
21:39 cait        wizzyrea: i can't add the same records twice...
21:39 pianohacker um lemme try
21:38 wizzyrea    it is possible that I have something weird about my db or something.
21:38 wizzyrea    pianohacker: can you replicate it?
21:38 pianohacker in fact, it's kindly making sure you have two copies of it!
21:38 cait        opac - result list - select all - add to new list?
21:38 pianohacker cait: it's not _losing_ data
21:38 wizzyrea    hmm
21:38 cait        hm wierd it works ok for me
21:37 wizzyrea    ah yeah, it still does it on master
21:35 cait        hm lt me check that whie the tests run :)
21:35 cait        very bad
21:35 cait        i think it's OPAC... so bad
21:35 wizzyrea    note I haven't tried in master.
21:35 pianohacker that, um.
21:35 pianohacker gracias
21:35 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15203 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , select all -> add to list from a result page in the OPAC gives you double ups in your list
21:35 wizzyrea    bug 15203
21:34 pianohacker a bug number, my kingdom for a bug number
21:34 wizzyrea    i mean, I do that when I'm testing lists because it's an easy way to get a ton of stuff in a list.
21:34 wizzyrea    idk how many people "select all -> add to list"
21:34 wizzyrea    idk about "bad" but it's pretty annoying
21:34 pianohacker list bug?
21:34 wizzyrea    I don't
21:34 cait        do you know if someone is owrking on it?
21:34 cait        wizzyrea: the list bug sounds bad
21:28 pianohacker indeed
21:28 pianohacker yup
21:28 cait        hector++
21:28 cait        got a quick sign-off -
21:27 pianohacker thanks for helping me get that rancor bugfix in quickly
21:27 pianohacker thank god ;_;
21:27 cait        because bug fixes still get pushed
21:27 pianohacker heh, well, from big features
21:27 cait        just focusing on bugs vs enh for now
21:27 cait        if breather = break - then nope :P
21:27 pianohacker thank youuuuuu
21:26 pianohacker I'll tell them it'll get a look later on once the 3.24 cycle gets rolling
21:26 cait        ?
21:26 pianohacker so you've been taking a breather? That makes sense
21:26 cait        we are focusing on bugs for now - until the release is out
21:26 cait        sadly - because i'd like to have that too
21:25 cait        it hit qa queue after feature freeze
21:25 cait        ah
21:25 pianohacker it's not urgent, just looking for info
21:25 pianohacker oh kk
21:25 cait        let me take a look now
21:25 cait        i was gone all day today
21:25 pianohacker cait: did you see the bug I poked you about?
21:23 cait        heh thx wizzyrea!
21:20 wizzyrea    nope, still right.
21:20 * Dyrcona   waves odd
21:20 wizzyrea    THERE IS NO WRONG WAVING.
21:20 eythian     it's because you waved wrong
21:19 cait        oh now i missed tcohen
21:19 * cait      waves even
21:19 cait        me waves
21:13 tcohen      wizzyrea: in the meantime have some one fire it up should work
21:05 eythian     hi
21:02 wizzyrea    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#jenkins.koha-community.org tcohen, for when you find out
20:56 wizzyrea    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration shame - it's not documented. we should find out and write it down
20:55 wizzyrea    but I'm not sure who else, maybe the wiki knows
20:55 wizzyrea    I am sure rangi does
20:52 tcohen      wizzyrea: do u know who has access to the jenkins server?
20:50 wizzyrea    hello tcohen
20:47 tcohen      hi
20:36 wizzyrea    thanks ibeardslee :)
20:36 wizzyrea    yay
20:34 wizzyrea    hehe
20:34 wnickc      works with a .org at the end :b
20:33 ibeardslee  seems fine to me
20:24 wizzyrea    (it should be working fine, let me know if it isn't)
20:24 wizzyrea    so, anyone who's around, please give http://www.koha-community a try
20:20 wizzyrea    hi
20:15 * mveron    waves
19:09 cait        :)
19:09 cait        bag++
18:30 bag         tcohen is all good :)  just following the test plan…  It’s all good :D
18:29 tcohen      which one baG?
18:28 wahanui     well, biblibre is everywhere ;)
18:28 cait        hm biblibre?
18:28 tcohen      can anyone reboot jenkins :-D ?
18:27 * cait      had a lovely day away from the computer
18:27 huginn      tcohen: jenkins_koha was last seen in #koha 6 days, 20 hours, 55 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <jenkins_koha> tcohen: you're so kind to me!
18:27 tcohen      @seen jenkins_koha
18:27 wahanui     bonjour, tcohen
18:27 tcohen      hi
18:27 cait        also an option :)
18:26 bag         I think I left out a step cait - I must have tested then applied patch - then said hi - then tested again :P
18:26 bag         prove t/db_dependent/Circulation/Returns.t
18:25 cait        i had hat happen recently... fails once, passes all the timeafter that
18:25 cait        which one is t?
18:25 cait        try running it again?
18:25 bag         good luck charm cait
18:25 cait        heh
18:25 bag         man I run a test and it fails - stop to say hi to cait and now it passes
18:25 cait        hi bag :)
18:24 bag         heya cait
18:09 * cait      waves
17:53 huginn      pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
17:53 pianohacker @later tell cait We have a partner asking about bug 8753. May I ask if there are any QA concerns I could help with?
17:28 * mveron    is back in about 5 hours
16:11 reiveune    bye
16:06 xarragon    And is that expressable through the Koha interface?
16:05 xarragon    Possibly AND:ed together with another one?
16:05 xarragon    Is there a way in zebra to search a specific MARC record field?
15:58 bag         chilly but sunny - I’ll take it
15:58 huginn      bag: The current temperature in Portland - West Hills, Portland, Oregon is 4.8°C (7:57 AM PST on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
15:58 bag         @wunder portland or
15:57 bag         good morning :)  The sun is shining
15:03 andreashm   OT question: anyone have any good documentation of the history of Evergreen? or good examples of history/forming of other open source communities? Apart from Koha, I think Hydra is a nice example.
14:43 gaetan_B    bye
14:06 * andreashm is back again, had a meeting
13:31 huginn      liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 19.4°C (2:31 PM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling).
13:31 liw         @wunder torrevieja
13:25 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy
13:25 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Delete C4/Dates.pm from System
13:25 * mveron    counts remaining bugs for C4::Dates and dd.mm.yyyy date format: 2 (in words: two): Bug 14870 and Bug 12072
13:12 fridolin    I ask
13:11 fridolin    tcohen: mmh, i is not in our servers i think
13:11 xarragon    Anyone know a basic tutorial on Z39.50/yaz?
13:10 tcohen      fridolin: can someone at biblibre restart the jenkins server?
13:09 gaetan_B    good news andreashm :)
13:09 magnuse     woohoof or gothenburg!
12:53 andreashm   ah, another Swedish university library choses Koha! sweet!
12:35 khall       tcohen: I haven't, I'll have to check with piano
12:35 mveron      Hi again everybody :-)
12:35 tcohen      did u or piano have any progress?
12:35 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
12:35 tcohen      re bug 15032
12:34 khall       what's up?
12:34 wahanui     khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;)
12:34 tcohen      khall?
12:33 tcohen      hi magnuse
12:33 magnuse     kia ora tcohen
12:29 tcohen      morning
11:36 tcohen      i really like 3.22
11:06 wahanui     well, lunch is a good idea :)
11:06 mveron-away Lunch...
10:25 * mveron    connected again
09:23 * andreashm waves
09:15 magnuse     kinda looks like it might snow
09:15 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0°C (10:00 AM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.29 in 992 hPa (Rising).
09:15 magnuse     @wunder boo
09:11 huginn      Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
09:11 Francesca   @wunder wlg
09:06 huginn      mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 15.0°C (10:00 AM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
09:06 mveron      @wunder Basel
09:03 huginn      cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 15.0°C (10:00 AM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
09:03 cait        @wunder Konstanz
08:32 * mveron    is back in some minutes
08:32 mveron      June: Thanks! I will also do some more tests on my latest patch on 14870
08:29 June        Thanks mveron. I will give a try
08:25 mveron      cait: Thanks a lot!
08:25 cait        i have to leave soon, but will be back late afternoon
08:24 mveron      And yes, its a great progress
08:24 cait        i tihnk only 3 bugs now?
08:24 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Failed QA , Delete C4/Dates.pm from System
08:24 mveron      I atteched a follow-up to bug 14870 but wait with testing
08:24 cait        mveron: lots of progress yesterday :)
08:23 mveron      cait: Good morning :-)
08:23 cait        morning mveron :)
08:20 magnuse     but i suspect at least for normarc there is something wrong with the config there, so the only available format is marcxml
08:19 magnuse     June: i think the available formats should be specified in your koha-conf.xml, under <server id="publicserver"  listenref="publicserver">
08:17 June        :D
08:17 June        could you please help me
08:17 cait        hi June
08:17 June        hi cait
08:16 cait        morning #koha
08:02 alex_a      bonjour
08:01 * magnuse   is not too happy about the evrything-on-one-page version of the manual
08:00 gaetan_B    hello
08:00 magnuse     ah, sorry i was mixing up sru and oai-pmh
07:56 June
07:55 June        it is same error
07:55 June        magnuse recordSchema=oai_dc?
07:53 magnuse     June: try oai_dc?
07:46 reiveune    hi June
07:46 June        hi reiveune
07:42 reiveune    hello
07:37 June        If I set recordSchema=dc, I get an error <uri>info:srw/diagnostic/1/66</uri> <details>dc</details> <message>Unknown schema for retrieval</message>
07:37 June        this is working link
07:36 June        does anyone know how to solve it?
07:36 June        is there anything I need to change in config file?
07:36 June        But I couldn't get the records in DC format.
07:36 June        Using Zebra, I am able to retrieve the records in XML format.
07:34 June        I need help setting up SRU web services for KOHA
07:33 wahanui     bonjour, June
07:33 June        Hi
07:30 fridolin    hie
06:50 mveron      Good morning / daytime #koha
06:19 huginn      magnuse: The operation succeeded.
06:19 magnuse     @later tell rangi when i woke up, koha-under-plack would not play well with memcached again
06:15 * magnuse   waves
05:56 saa         is it possible to customize metadata fields as per document type in koha and see them in opac and staff client. we have a collection of videos and we wanted to add video duration, editor, director etc. as metadata fields and they should also be available on staff client and OPAC
04:50 saa         can someone guide us doing it in koha
04:50 saa         is it possible to customize metadata fields as per document type in koha and see them in opac and staff client. we have a collection of videos and we wanted to add video duration, editor, director etc. as metadata fields and they should also be available on staff client and OPAC
04:49 Francesca   lol
04:47 dcook       These boots sure trap the heat though
04:47 dcook       air conditioned office*
04:47 dcook       I don't mind the 37 so much as I'm in an office now :p
04:47 dcook       12 degrees isn't bad
04:46 Francesca   nicer than here
04:35 dcook       It's a bit warm out there
04:34 dcook       37... sounds about right
04:34 huginn      dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 37.0°C (3:00 PM AEDT on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 14%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
04:34 dcook       @wunder syd
04:30 huginn      Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (5:00 PM NZDT on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
04:30 Francesca   @wunder wlg
04:30 huginn      Francesca: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
04:30 Francesca   @wunder wlf
04:29 Francesca   an entire day of python is hard work
04:29 Francesca   home at last
03:48 wizzyrea    (that'll be 3.20.5, not master. I haven't checked master)
03:46 wizzyrea    select all -> add to list from a result page gives you double ups in your list.
03:43 wizzyrea    well that is a weird bug.
03:21 wizzyrea    (but I've only used it a little)
03:21 wizzyrea    it's not terrible :)
03:21 tcohen      I really like Firefox Developer Edition
02:46 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15199: t/db_dependent/Review.t should not depend on existing data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87e7d5555e604043602de73c46b68d28299aefd9> / Bug 14954: Remove unused C4::Calendar::addDate subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87f8d7303c1746078064fb4e34e54a900c59326c> / Bug 14954: (followup) Display exceptions in syspref format <http://git.koha-commu
02:15 dcook       tcohen: How do you mean?
02:14 wahanui     goodnight cait. You'll be back.
02:14 cait        night all
02:09 tcohen      dcook: it needs to simplify things, otherwise something is not ok
02:01 dcook       I should put that in the blog post :p
02:00 dcook       50-100 are just copies from the national library
02:00 dcook       And then how do you serialize that for other people who want to link to your content?
01:59 dcook       e.g. <bf:Text rdf:about="http://bibframe.org/resources/sample-lc-1/148862">
01:59 dcook       So surely you'd need to re-write that
01:59 dcook       But... you're hosting those records now
01:59 dcook       In theory, the URI/IRI for the records you harvest via OAI-PMH will still point to the original source
01:58 dcook       I've been thinking about duplicates with that scenario as well...
01:58 dcook       You get the original records either via OAI-PMH or manual cataloguing or some other method...
01:57 dcook       The original is used to update the dereferenced records
01:57 dcook       The dereferenced record gets fed to your search engine and shown to users
01:57 dcook       One for the original record, and one for the dereferenced record?
01:57 dcook       So you have multiple caches?
01:57 dcook       O_o
01:56 tcohen      i'd have a local cache, probably through OAI sets harvesting or smth like that
01:56 dcook       Right
01:55 tcohen      you need to grab them, each time you want to index them
01:55 dcook       them*
01:55 dcook       No point having them if the user can't search for htem
01:55 dcook       Of course
01:55 tcohen      dcook: do you want them to be searchable from a UI for the end user?
01:55 dcook       It's not necessarily unique
01:55 dcook       Who would want your data?
01:54 dcook       But then you import the other 50-100?
01:54 dcook       So you write your records... maybe link to the national library for authorized terms or to their thesaurus
01:54 dcook       But you have to write your own 1-49 records
01:54 dcook       And you can get records 50-100 from the national library
01:54 dcook       Or rather... Items 1-100
01:53 dcook       You have Records 1-100
01:53 dcook       What I mean is..
01:53 dcook       tcohen: A thesaurus is general though, so that should be easy enough
01:52 dcook       Because you need to describe what you have/have access to..
01:52 tcohen      dcook: why not think another use cases? like importing a thesaurus
01:52 dcook       But the idea that you'd write your own linked data records for your holdings...
01:52 dcook       Well maybe not..
01:52 dcook       Which is probably a uniquely library problem
01:52 dcook       I find the idea of importing linked data interesting..
01:52 dcook       tcohen: So you feed the search engine a local cached version... do you also display that local cached version?
01:51 dcook       ^
01:51 eythian     search engines need a steady supply of human flesh, after all.
01:50 tcohen      dcook: you need to feed a search engine, it is easier to have them locallyç
01:50 dcook       And then you must refresh your cache from the linked source..
01:49 dcook       Otherwise you couldn't index anything
01:49 dcook       I think it has to rely on a local cache...
01:49 * dcook     still wishes he understood linked data better
01:49 dcook       And if we have an extensible internal format, it's not necessarily that hard to add new fields if we need them
01:48 dcook       The core content would be easy enough to export as MARC
01:48 dcook       Although who really pays much attention to those anyway
01:48 dcook       The leader and controlfields can be... less than fun
01:48 rangi       if someone really wants one
01:48 dcook       Creating accurate ones isn't easy :p
01:47 rangi       creating MARC records isn't hard
01:47 dcook       When I say someone, I mean a library/librarian
01:47 dcook       true true
01:47 cait        it's not for users
01:46 cait        true
01:46 rangi       no one should ever see it
01:46 rangi       the longer we keep showing people MARC, the longer we prolong the problem
01:46 dcook       rangi: I like that idea, although I wonder how many libraries will want MARC out
01:45 bag         when we’ve got the time
01:45 bag         yeah I really want to index users in ES - that’s something coming down the road
01:45 rangi       i reckon just ingest it, stick it somewhere, and never touch it again
01:43 dcook       Probably a million times harder than my wildest imagination
01:43 dcook       I wonder sometimes how difficult it would be to separate MARC out..
01:43 tcohen      I knew a librarian would embrace it :-D
01:43 dcook       index all the things!
01:42 cait        orders... with facets for the vendor... the date...
01:42 cait        we coul dindex everything there... and have facets :)
01:42 tcohen      it becomes useless
01:42 dcook       Ahh
01:42 tcohen      you cannot give them just an alphabetic sort
01:42 rangi       we can index users in ES
01:42 tcohen      I mean auto-complete features
01:42 dcook       What do you mean about relevance sorting?
01:41 rangi       yup
01:41 dcook       Hmm?
01:41 tcohen      we end up writing weird code trying to implement some relevance sorting when we have the tools to do it right
01:41 dcook       advantage*
01:41 dcook       I don't know if there would be any advance to that
01:41 dcook       But not use it internally
01:41 tcohen      and why not put patron data there too? (ES or Zebra)
01:41 dcook       The only thing I would want is to be able to import/export
01:41 dcook       Well, MARCXML would have to go
01:41 dcook       That's what I mean :p
01:40 tcohen      dcook: leave the MARCXML alone, add other formats :-D
01:40 dcook       I was actually thinking about that too...
01:40 dcook       We could use any XML format
01:40 dcook       But yeah, we don't have to use MARC with Zebra either
01:40 * dcook     has his hands full with Zebra and all the other things..
01:39 dcook       Not me volunteering though :p
01:39 * dcook     always meant to look at that
01:38 rangi       tcohen: yep, he did, we should revisit that
01:37 dcook       Maybe serialize it as MARCXML inbetween systems, although even then...
01:37 tcohen      jared set a great starting point with Koha::MetadataRecord
01:37 dcook       Well at least not internally
01:37 dcook       Agreed
01:37 rangi       hasnt been for 20 odd years
01:36 rangi       i dont think there is any need to store it as MARC anymore
01:36 wizzyrea    the reason is because of rule 123.
01:36 dcook       I need to write a blog post and link it for LODLAM...
01:36 dcook       The library just needs access points for physical and electronic resources
01:36 dcook       No reason why so many libraries need to have their own copies of Record X
01:36 dcook       I suppose that's why Worldcat is a thing
01:35 dcook       rangi: I was thinking a bit about bibliographic data and the rest of the world...
01:35 cait        the fastest migration
01:34 cait        and it was the fastest one
01:34 cait        we migrated only from one system that gave us marc so far
01:34 * rangi     has done a few migrations now :)
01:34 rangi       which takes about as long as making them
01:34 rangi       then your marc records probably have to be massaged/fixed anyway
01:33 cait        also... if you ever want to switch to another ils
01:33 rangi       no one else in the world wants it
01:33 rangi       yes, just other libraries
01:33 cait        and i have had all that happen
01:33 wahanui     databases are not automated.
01:33 cait        databases
01:33 cait        rds
01:33 cait        use cases i can think of are union catalogs
01:33 rangi       yep
01:33 dcook       And just for lack of another standard
01:32 dcook       Like an aggregator/discovery/whatever thing
01:32 dcook       Possibly another system
01:32 dcook       Ahh, I see what you're saying rangi
01:32 rangi       i can't think of anything, other than another library, that would ever want a MARC record
01:31 cait        i think it depends on the type of library
01:31 rangi       not your locally catalogued stuff
01:31 rangi       national libraries want quality records
01:31 dcook       But it's a requirement a lot of the time
01:31 cait        hmm not sure that's true
01:31 dcook       Well maybe not "want"
01:30 rangi       pretty much no one wants it
01:30 rangi       not really no
01:30 dcook       Do they really need to be able to export it? Perhaps...
01:30 dcook       Easy
01:30 dcook       So you need to be able to ingest MARC
01:30 dcook       Well, copy cataloguing
01:30 dcook       Why do libraries want to use MARC?
01:30 dcook       I was thinking about this recently...
01:29 dcook       hehe
01:25 cait        heh
01:24 eythian     (specifically, it was this image: https://eutopialaw.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/stockholm-syndrome-logo.jpg )
01:23 eythian     dcook: you saw my talk slide about that...
01:22 wizzyrea    ^
01:22 rangi       people seem to forget that
01:22 rangi       which is most of them
01:22 dcook       Well, except the ones who've never heard of it...>_>
01:21 dcook       But it would have its own challenges... especially as library folk are hardwired for MARC
01:21 dcook       I'm thinking an intermediary format would be awesomesauce
01:21 dcook       MARC--
01:21 dcook       I guess DSpace does flag things on a field by field basis...
01:21 dcook       eythian: Yeah, I think we've already lost as well.
01:18 eythian     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnOE-m-UdQA <-- cait, when you visit Amsterdam again, beware you don't end up on the wrong train
01:15 eythian     dcook: if records contain multiple languages and you can't flag them on a field-by-field basis, you've already lost.
01:09 * dcook     shrugs
01:05 cait        but i might got the name wrong
01:05 cait        i think you can restore with what we have to a certain hour during a day
01:04 cait        heh
01:02 * dcook     pretends not to be distracted
01:02 dcook       I think you can playback binary logs?
01:02 dcook       I don't know if transaction logs are necessarily that useable though
01:00 cait        hm i think we might backup transaction logs?
01:00 cait        bag++
00:37 * dcook     is going to stop being sidetracked...
00:36 dcook       Ah, I guess you could use the binary logs..
00:36 dcook       I'd never heard of incremental MySQL backups though... although it looks perhaps like it's an "enterprise" thing?
00:33 dcook       I certainly wouldn't consider it "incremental" either
00:33 dcook       Yeah, I wouldn't do multiple full dumps a day
00:33 dcook       The only thing is that records aren't necessarily in just one language :/
00:30 wizzyrea    sigh.
00:29 cait        hm yeah
00:28 eythian     I don't think I would consider doing full dumps a few times per day any sort of best practice.
00:26 eythian     not sure if it'd work, I didn't give it a lot of thought
00:26 eythian     my hypothetical solution was to note the language the record was in and use that information when ES analyses it.
00:25 * dcook     imagines that Indexdata must be as sick of hearing from him as koha-devel :p
00:24 dcook       Although for sorting purposes, maybe you can get away with it
00:24 dcook       You also can't map å to a in Danish, I think, as those are completely different characters
00:23 * dcook     's head explodes
00:23 dcook       So you might be able to specify that rule at search time, but what do you do at indexing time?
00:23 dcook       But they sure aren't in English
00:23 dcook       In Danish, å and aa are the same thing
00:23 dcook       How to treat "special" characters
00:23 dcook       "it" being...
00:22 dcook       I don't know how ES or Solr would do it either though..
00:22 dcook       Prepare for yet another Zebra email ;)
00:22 wizzyrea    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY this one is pretty good too.
00:21 dcook       winning, both of you
00:21 wizzyrea    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j74jcxSunY
00:21 wahanui     eythian: what?
00:21 eythian     wahanui: internationalisation
00:21 dcook       Beauty. Cheers
00:21 eythian     -m
00:21 eythian     it's by tomm scott
00:21 * dcook     is going to include it in an email :p
00:21 dcook       What's the title or link again?
00:20 eythian     twas me
00:20 dcook       Maybe it was cjh...
00:20 dcook       eythian: Were you the one that linked that wesome i18n youtube video?