Time Nick Message 00:20 dcook eythian: Were you the one that linked that wesome i18n youtube video? 00:20 dcook Maybe it was cjh... 00:20 eythian twas me 00:21 dcook What's the title or link again? 00:21 * dcook is going to include it in an email :p 00:21 eythian it's by tomm scott 00:21 eythian -m 00:21 dcook Beauty. Cheers 00:21 eythian wahanui: internationalisation 00:21 wahanui eythian: what? 00:21 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j74jcxSunY 00:21 dcook winning, both of you 00:22 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY this one is pretty good too. 00:22 dcook Prepare for yet another Zebra email ;) 00:22 dcook I don't know how ES or Solr would do it either though.. 00:23 dcook "it" being... 00:23 dcook How to treat "special" characters 00:23 dcook In Danish, å and aa are the same thing 00:23 dcook But they sure aren't in English 00:23 dcook So you might be able to specify that rule at search time, but what do you do at indexing time? 00:23 * dcook 's head explodes 00:24 dcook You also can't map å to a in Danish, I think, as those are completely different characters 00:24 dcook Although for sorting purposes, maybe you can get away with it 00:25 * dcook imagines that Indexdata must be as sick of hearing from him as koha-devel :p 00:26 eythian my hypothetical solution was to note the language the record was in and use that information when ES analyses it. 00:26 eythian not sure if it'd work, I didn't give it a lot of thought 00:28 eythian I don't think I would consider doing full dumps a few times per day any sort of best practice. 00:29 cait hm yeah 00:30 wizzyrea sigh. 00:33 dcook The only thing is that records aren't necessarily in just one language :/ 00:33 dcook Yeah, I wouldn't do multiple full dumps a day 00:33 dcook I certainly wouldn't consider it "incremental" either 00:36 dcook I'd never heard of incremental MySQL backups though... although it looks perhaps like it's an "enterprise" thing? 00:36 dcook Ah, I guess you could use the binary logs.. 00:37 * dcook is going to stop being sidetracked... 01:00 cait bag++ 01:00 cait hm i think we might backup transaction logs? 01:02 dcook I don't know if transaction logs are necessarily that useable though 01:02 dcook I think you can playback binary logs? 01:02 * dcook pretends not to be distracted 01:04 cait heh 01:05 cait i think you can restore with what we have to a certain hour during a day 01:05 cait but i might got the name wrong 01:09 * dcook shrugs 01:15 eythian dcook: if records contain multiple languages and you can't flag them on a field-by-field basis, you've already lost. 01:18 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnOE-m-UdQA <-- cait, when you visit Amsterdam again, beware you don't end up on the wrong train 01:21 dcook eythian: Yeah, I think we've already lost as well. 01:21 dcook I guess DSpace does flag things on a field by field basis... 01:21 dcook MARC-- 01:21 dcook I'm thinking an intermediary format would be awesomesauce 01:21 dcook But it would have its own challenges... especially as library folk are hardwired for MARC 01:22 dcook Well, except the ones who've never heard of it...>_> 01:22 rangi which is most of them 01:22 rangi people seem to forget that 01:22 wizzyrea ^ 01:23 eythian dcook: you saw my talk slide about that... 01:24 eythian (specifically, it was this image: https://eutopialaw.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/stockholm-syndrome-logo.jpg ) 01:25 cait heh 01:29 dcook hehe 01:30 dcook I was thinking about this recently... 01:30 dcook Why do libraries want to use MARC? 01:30 dcook Well, copy cataloguing 01:30 dcook So you need to be able to ingest MARC 01:30 dcook Easy 01:30 dcook Do they really need to be able to export it? Perhaps... 01:30 rangi not really no 01:30 rangi pretty much no one wants it 01:31 dcook Well maybe not "want" 01:31 cait hmm not sure that's true 01:31 dcook But it's a requirement a lot of the time 01:31 rangi national libraries want quality records 01:31 rangi not your locally catalogued stuff 01:31 cait i think it depends on the type of library 01:32 rangi i can't think of anything, other than another library, that would ever want a MARC record 01:32 dcook Ahh, I see what you're saying rangi 01:32 dcook Possibly another system 01:32 dcook Like an aggregator/discovery/whatever thing 01:33 dcook And just for lack of another standard 01:33 rangi yep 01:33 cait use cases i can think of are union catalogs 01:33 cait rds 01:33 cait databases 01:33 wahanui databases are not automated. 01:33 cait and i have had all that happen 01:33 rangi yes, just other libraries 01:33 rangi no one else in the world wants it 01:33 cait also... if you ever want to switch to another ils 01:34 rangi then your marc records probably have to be massaged/fixed anyway 01:34 rangi which takes about as long as making them 01:34 * rangi has done a few migrations now :) 01:34 cait we migrated only from one system that gave us marc so far 01:34 cait and it was the fastest one 01:35 cait the fastest migration 01:35 dcook rangi: I was thinking a bit about bibliographic data and the rest of the world... 01:36 dcook I suppose that's why Worldcat is a thing 01:36 dcook No reason why so many libraries need to have their own copies of Record X 01:36 dcook The library just needs access points for physical and electronic resources 01:36 dcook I need to write a blog post and link it for LODLAM... 01:36 wizzyrea the reason is because of rule 123. 01:36 rangi i dont think there is any need to store it as MARC anymore 01:37 rangi hasnt been for 20 odd years 01:37 dcook Agreed 01:37 dcook Well at least not internally 01:37 tcohen jared set a great starting point with Koha::MetadataRecord 01:37 dcook Maybe serialize it as MARCXML inbetween systems, although even then... 01:38 rangi tcohen: yep, he did, we should revisit that 01:39 * dcook always meant to look at that 01:39 dcook Not me volunteering though :p 01:40 * dcook has his hands full with Zebra and all the other things.. 01:40 dcook But yeah, we don't have to use MARC with Zebra either 01:40 dcook We could use any XML format 01:40 dcook I was actually thinking about that too... 01:40 tcohen dcook: leave the MARCXML alone, add other formats :-D 01:41 dcook That's what I mean :p 01:41 dcook Well, MARCXML would have to go 01:41 dcook The only thing I would want is to be able to import/export 01:41 tcohen and why not put patron data there too? (ES or Zebra) 01:41 dcook But not use it internally 01:41 dcook I don't know if there would be any advance to that 01:41 dcook advantage* 01:41 tcohen we end up writing weird code trying to implement some relevance sorting when we have the tools to do it right 01:41 dcook Hmm? 01:41 rangi yup 01:42 dcook What do you mean about relevance sorting? 01:42 tcohen I mean auto-complete features 01:42 rangi we can index users in ES 01:42 tcohen you cannot give them just an alphabetic sort 01:42 dcook Ahh 01:42 tcohen it becomes useless 01:42 cait we coul dindex everything there... and have facets :) 01:42 cait orders... with facets for the vendor... the date... 01:43 dcook index all the things! 01:43 tcohen I knew a librarian would embrace it :-D 01:43 dcook I wonder sometimes how difficult it would be to separate MARC out.. 01:43 dcook Probably a million times harder than my wildest imagination 01:45 rangi i reckon just ingest it, stick it somewhere, and never touch it again 01:45 bag yeah I really want to index users in ES - that’s something coming down the road 01:45 bag when we’ve got the time 01:46 dcook rangi: I like that idea, although I wonder how many libraries will want MARC out 01:46 rangi the longer we keep showing people MARC, the longer we prolong the problem 01:46 rangi no one should ever see it 01:46 cait true 01:47 cait it's not for users 01:47 dcook true true 01:47 dcook When I say someone, I mean a library/librarian 01:47 rangi creating MARC records isn't hard 01:48 dcook Creating accurate ones isn't easy :p 01:48 rangi if someone really wants one 01:48 dcook The leader and controlfields can be... less than fun 01:48 dcook Although who really pays much attention to those anyway 01:48 dcook The core content would be easy enough to export as MARC 01:49 dcook And if we have an extensible internal format, it's not necessarily that hard to add new fields if we need them 01:49 * dcook still wishes he understood linked data better 01:49 dcook I think it has to rely on a local cache... 01:49 dcook Otherwise you couldn't index anything 01:50 dcook And then you must refresh your cache from the linked source.. 01:50 tcohen dcook: you need to feed a search engine, it is easier to have them locallyç 01:51 eythian search engines need a steady supply of human flesh, after all. 01:51 dcook ^ 01:52 dcook tcohen: So you feed the search engine a local cached version... do you also display that local cached version? 01:52 dcook I find the idea of importing linked data interesting.. 01:52 dcook Which is probably a uniquely library problem 01:52 dcook Well maybe not.. 01:52 dcook But the idea that you'd write your own linked data records for your holdings... 01:52 tcohen dcook: why not think another use cases? like importing a thesaurus 01:52 dcook Because you need to describe what you have/have access to.. 01:53 dcook tcohen: A thesaurus is general though, so that should be easy enough 01:53 dcook What I mean is.. 01:53 dcook You have Records 1-100 01:54 dcook Or rather... Items 1-100 01:54 dcook And you can get records 50-100 from the national library 01:54 dcook But you have to write your own 1-49 records 01:54 dcook So you write your records... maybe link to the national library for authorized terms or to their thesaurus 01:54 dcook But then you import the other 50-100? 01:55 dcook Who would want your data? 01:55 dcook It's not necessarily unique 01:55 tcohen dcook: do you want them to be searchable from a UI for the end user? 01:55 dcook Of course 01:55 dcook No point having them if the user can't search for htem 01:55 dcook them* 01:55 tcohen you need to grab them, each time you want to index them 01:56 dcook Right 01:56 tcohen i'd have a local cache, probably through OAI sets harvesting or smth like that 01:57 dcook O_o 01:57 dcook So you have multiple caches? 01:57 dcook One for the original record, and one for the dereferenced record? 01:57 dcook The dereferenced record gets fed to your search engine and shown to users 01:57 dcook The original is used to update the dereferenced records 01:58 dcook You get the original records either via OAI-PMH or manual cataloguing or some other method... 01:58 dcook I've been thinking about duplicates with that scenario as well... 01:59 dcook In theory, the URI/IRI for the records you harvest via OAI-PMH will still point to the original source 01:59 dcook But... you're hosting those records now 01:59 dcook So surely you'd need to re-write that 01:59 dcook e.g. <bf:Text rdf:about="http://bibframe.org/resources/sample-lc-1/148862"> 02:00 dcook And then how do you serialize that for other people who want to link to your content? 02:00 dcook 50-100 are just copies from the national library 02:01 dcook I should put that in the blog post :p 02:09 tcohen dcook: it needs to simplify things, otherwise something is not ok 02:14 cait night all 02:14 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 02:15 dcook tcohen: How do you mean? 02:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15199: t/db_dependent/Review.t should not depend on existing data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87e7d5555e604043602de73c46b68d28299aefd9> / Bug 14954: Remove unused C4::Calendar::addDate subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87f8d7303c1746078064fb4e34e54a900c59326c> / Bug 14954: (followup) Display exceptions in syspref format <http://git.koha-commu 03:21 tcohen I really like Firefox Developer Edition 03:21 wizzyrea it's not terrible :) 03:21 wizzyrea (but I've only used it a little) 03:43 wizzyrea well that is a weird bug. 03:46 wizzyrea select all -> add to list from a result page gives you double ups in your list. 03:48 wizzyrea (that'll be 3.20.5, not master. I haven't checked master) 04:29 Francesca home at last 04:29 Francesca an entire day of python is hard work 04:30 Francesca @wunder wlf 04:30 huginn Francesca: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 04:30 Francesca @wunder wlg 04:30 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (5:00 PM NZDT on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 04:34 dcook @wunder syd 04:34 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 37.0°C (3:00 PM AEDT on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 14%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 04:34 dcook 37... sounds about right 04:35 dcook It's a bit warm out there 04:46 Francesca nicer than here 04:47 dcook 12 degrees isn't bad 04:47 dcook I don't mind the 37 so much as I'm in an office now :p 04:47 dcook air conditioned office* 04:47 dcook These boots sure trap the heat though 04:49 Francesca lol 04:50 saa is it possible to customize metadata fields as per document type in koha and see them in opac and staff client. we have a collection of videos and we wanted to add video duration, editor, director etc. as metadata fields and they should also be available on staff client and OPAC 04:50 saa can someone guide us doing it in koha 05:56 saa is it possible to customize metadata fields as per document type in koha and see them in opac and staff client. we have a collection of videos and we wanted to add video duration, editor, director etc. as metadata fields and they should also be available on staff client and OPAC 06:15 * magnuse waves 06:19 magnuse @later tell rangi when i woke up, koha-under-plack would not play well with memcached again 06:19 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 06:50 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha 07:30 fridolin hie 07:33 June Hi 07:33 wahanui bonjour, June 07:34 June I need help setting up SRU web services for KOHA 07:36 June Using Zebra, I am able to retrieve the records in XML format. 07:36 June But I couldn't get the records in DC format. 07:36 June is there anything I need to change in config file? 07:36 June does anyone know how to solve it? 07:37 June this is working link http://127.0.0.1:9999/biblios?version=1.1&operation=searchRetrieve&x-pquery=great&startRecord=1&maximumRecords=1&recordSchema=marcxml 07:37 June If I set recordSchema=dc, I get an error <uri>info:srw/diagnostic/1/66</uri> <details>dc</details> <message>Unknown schema for retrieval</message> 07:42 reiveune hello 07:46 June hi reiveune 07:46 reiveune hi June 07:53 magnuse June: try oai_dc? 07:55 June magnuse recordSchema=oai_dc? 07:55 June it is same error 07:56 June http://127.0.0.1:9999/biblios?version=1.1&operation=searchRetrieve&x-pquery=great&startRecord=1&maximumRecords=1&recordSchema=oai_dc 08:00 magnuse ah, sorry i was mixing up sru and oai-pmh 08:00 gaetan_B hello 08:01 * magnuse is not too happy about the evrything-on-one-page version of the manual 08:02 alex_a bonjour 08:16 cait morning #koha 08:17 June hi cait 08:17 cait hi June 08:17 June could you please help me 08:17 June :D 08:19 magnuse June: i think the available formats should be specified in your koha-conf.xml, under <server id="publicserver" listenref="publicserver"> 08:20 magnuse but i suspect at least for normarc there is something wrong with the config there, so the only available format is marcxml 08:23 cait morning mveron :) 08:23 mveron cait: Good morning :-) 08:24 cait mveron: lots of progress yesterday :) 08:24 mveron I atteched a follow-up to bug 14870 but wait with testing 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Failed QA , Delete C4/Dates.pm from System 08:24 cait i tihnk only 3 bugs now? 08:24 mveron And yes, its a great progress 08:25 cait i have to leave soon, but will be back late afternoon 08:25 mveron cait: Thanks a lot! 08:29 June Thanks mveron. I will give a try 08:32 mveron June: Thanks! I will also do some more tests on my latest patch on 14870 08:32 * mveron is back in some minutes 09:03 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:03 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 15.0°C (10:00 AM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 09:06 mveron @wunder Basel 09:06 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 15.0°C (10:00 AM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 09:11 Francesca @wunder wlg 09:11 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 09:15 magnuse @wunder boo 09:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0°C (10:00 AM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.29 in 992 hPa (Rising). 09:15 magnuse kinda looks like it might snow 09:23 * andreashm waves 10:25 * mveron connected again 11:06 mveron-away Lunch... 11:06 wahanui well, lunch is a good idea :) 11:36 tcohen i really like 3.22 12:29 tcohen morning 12:33 magnuse kia ora tcohen 12:33 tcohen hi magnuse 12:34 tcohen khall? 12:34 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) 12:34 khall what's up? 12:35 tcohen re bug 15032 12:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import 12:35 tcohen did u or piano have any progress? 12:35 mveron Hi again everybody :-) 12:35 khall tcohen: I haven't, I'll have to check with piano 12:53 andreashm ah, another Swedish university library choses Koha! sweet! 13:09 magnuse woohoof or gothenburg! 13:09 gaetan_B good news andreashm :) 13:10 tcohen fridolin: can someone at biblibre restart the jenkins server? 13:11 xarragon Anyone know a basic tutorial on Z39.50/yaz? 13:11 fridolin tcohen: mmh, i is not in our servers i think 13:12 fridolin I ask 13:25 * mveron counts remaining bugs for C4::Dates and dd.mm.yyyy date format: 2 (in words: two): Bug 14870 and Bug 12072 13:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Delete C4/Dates.pm from System 13:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy 13:31 liw @wunder torrevieja 13:31 huginn liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 19.4°C (2:31 PM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). 14:06 * andreashm is back again, had a meeting 14:43 gaetan_B bye 15:03 andreashm OT question: anyone have any good documentation of the history of Evergreen? or good examples of history/forming of other open source communities? Apart from Koha, I think Hydra is a nice example. 15:57 bag good morning :) The sun is shining 15:58 bag @wunder portland or 15:58 huginn bag: The current temperature in Portland - West Hills, Portland, Oregon is 4.8°C (7:57 AM PST on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 15:58 bag chilly but sunny - I’ll take it 16:05 xarragon Is there a way in zebra to search a specific MARC record field? 16:05 xarragon Possibly AND:ed together with another one? 16:06 xarragon And is that expressable through the Koha interface? 16:11 reiveune bye 17:28 * mveron is back in about 5 hours 17:53 pianohacker @later tell cait We have a partner asking about bug 8753. May I ask if there are any QA concerns I could help with? 17:53 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 18:09 * cait waves 18:24 bag heya cait 18:25 cait hi bag :) 18:25 bag man I run a test and it fails - stop to say hi to cait and now it passes 18:25 cait heh 18:25 bag good luck charm cait 18:25 cait try running it again? 18:25 cait which one is t? 18:25 cait i had hat happen recently... fails once, passes all the timeafter that 18:26 bag prove t/db_dependent/Circulation/Returns.t 18:26 bag I think I left out a step cait - I must have tested then applied patch - then said hi - then tested again :P 18:27 cait also an option :) 18:27 tcohen hi 18:27 wahanui bonjour, tcohen 18:27 tcohen @seen jenkins_koha 18:27 huginn tcohen: jenkins_koha was last seen in #koha 6 days, 20 hours, 55 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <jenkins_koha> tcohen: you're so kind to me! 18:27 * cait had a lovely day away from the computer 18:28 tcohen can anyone reboot jenkins :-D ? 18:28 cait hm biblibre? 18:28 wahanui well, biblibre is everywhere ;) 18:29 tcohen which one baG? 18:30 bag tcohen is all good :) just following the test plan… It’s all good :D 19:09 cait bag++ 19:09 cait :) 20:15 * mveron waves 20:20 wizzyrea hi 20:24 wizzyrea so, anyone who's around, please give http://www.koha-community a try 20:24 wizzyrea (it should be working fine, let me know if it isn't) 20:33 ibeardslee seems fine to me 20:34 wnickc works with a .org at the end :b 20:34 wizzyrea hehe 20:36 wizzyrea yay 20:36 wizzyrea thanks ibeardslee :) 20:47 tcohen hi 20:50 wizzyrea hello tcohen 20:52 tcohen wizzyrea: do u know who has access to the jenkins server? 20:55 wizzyrea I am sure rangi does 20:55 wizzyrea but I'm not sure who else, maybe the wiki knows 20:56 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration shame - it's not documented. we should find out and write it down 21:02 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#jenkins.koha-community.org tcohen, for when you find out 21:05 eythian hi 21:13 tcohen wizzyrea: in the meantime have some one fire it up should work 21:19 cait me waves 21:19 * cait waves even 21:19 cait oh now i missed tcohen 21:20 eythian it's because you waved wrong 21:20 wizzyrea THERE IS NO WRONG WAVING. 21:20 * Dyrcona waves odd 21:20 wizzyrea nope, still right. 21:23 cait heh thx wizzyrea! 21:25 pianohacker cait: did you see the bug I poked you about? 21:25 cait i was gone all day today 21:25 cait let me take a look now 21:25 pianohacker oh kk 21:25 pianohacker it's not urgent, just looking for info 21:25 cait ah 21:25 cait it hit qa queue after feature freeze 21:26 cait sadly - because i'd like to have that too 21:26 cait we are focusing on bugs for now - until the release is out 21:26 pianohacker so you've been taking a breather? That makes sense 21:26 cait ? 21:26 pianohacker I'll tell them it'll get a look later on once the 3.24 cycle gets rolling 21:27 pianohacker thank youuuuuu 21:27 cait if breather = break - then nope :P 21:27 cait just focusing on bugs vs enh for now 21:27 pianohacker heh, well, from big features 21:27 cait because bug fixes still get pushed 21:27 pianohacker thank god ;_; 21:27 pianohacker thanks for helping me get that rancor bugfix in quickly 21:28 cait got a quick sign-off - 21:28 cait hector++ 21:28 pianohacker yup 21:28 pianohacker indeed 21:34 cait wizzyrea: the list bug sounds bad 21:34 cait do you know if someone is owrking on it? 21:34 wizzyrea I don't 21:34 pianohacker list bug? 21:34 wizzyrea idk about "bad" but it's pretty annoying 21:34 wizzyrea idk how many people "select all -> add to list" 21:34 wizzyrea i mean, I do that when I'm testing lists because it's an easy way to get a ton of stuff in a list. 21:34 pianohacker a bug number, my kingdom for a bug number 21:35 wizzyrea bug 15203 21:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15203 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , select all -> add to list from a result page in the OPAC gives you double ups in your list 21:35 pianohacker gracias 21:35 pianohacker that, um. 21:35 wizzyrea note I haven't tried in master. 21:35 cait i think it's OPAC... so bad 21:35 cait very bad 21:35 cait hm lt me check that whie the tests run :) 21:37 wizzyrea ah yeah, it still does it on master 21:38 cait hm wierd it works ok for me 21:38 wizzyrea hmm 21:38 pianohacker cait: it's not _losing_ data 21:38 cait opac - result list - select all - add to new list? 21:38 pianohacker in fact, it's kindly making sure you have two copies of it! 21:38 wizzyrea pianohacker: can you replicate it? 21:38 wizzyrea it is possible that I have something weird about my db or something. 21:39 pianohacker um lemme try 21:39 cait wizzyrea: i can't add the same records twice... 21:39 wizzyrea it's not explicitly adding them twice 21:39 cait my list stays at 20 entires = 1 result list hm. 21:40 wizzyrea let me look at what's in the database 21:41 wizzyrea "List deleted with success." lol this message. 21:41 wizzyrea that's aside. 21:42 wizzyrea it is definitely displaying double ups on the list result page for me 21:42 wizzyrea and only when select all 21:42 wizzyrea but it's not putting doubles in the db 21:42 pianohacker wft 21:43 wizzyrea was that a wfm or a wtf? 21:44 pianohacker what's a wfm? 21:44 pianohacker cause the answer may be both 21:44 wizzyrea works for me 21:45 pianohacker oh 21:46 pianohacker wizzyrea: can't dup 21:46 cait wizzyrea: hm checing the views again 21:46 wizzyrea that's so weird. I can get it every time 21:47 cait private or public list? 21:47 wizzyrea I tried with both 21:47 cait hm 21:47 wizzyrea http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1447883251.png 21:48 * wizzyrea reindexes 21:48 tcohen @later tell rangi is it possible to kick the jenkins server, just in case it wakes up? 21:48 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 21:48 cait tcohen: i think he is in chch today - see twitter 21:49 wizzyrea oh. don't hit me 21:49 eythian he is 21:49 wizzyrea please don't 21:49 cait wizzyrea: can we tickle? 21:49 wizzyrea yes 21:49 wizzyrea that is fine 21:49 eythian @fish wizzyrea 21:49 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 21:49 eythian hmm 21:50 wizzyrea no I don't want to be slapped by a trout. 21:50 cait wizzyrea: doubles up records in your db? 21:50 wizzyrea >.< yes 21:50 * wizzyrea dumps that database, we are breaking up for good. 21:50 * cait sends chocolate 21:50 cait ... I had a bad bugzilla day yesterday too 21:51 wizzyrea that completely explains the database though 21:52 wizzyrea of course it's got the 20 in there. because there were 10 records, twice. Ugh. 21:53 cait hm 21:53 cait how do i best find hte one suppressed record in my db... 21:53 cait ah . sql. 21:53 wizzyrea yeah. 21:54 wizzyrea how come normarc isn't an option in the installer, don't we support it? 21:54 wizzyrea just curious 21:54 wizzyrea I don't actually care that it's not there 21:54 wizzyrea but someone might. 21:56 cait hm i think it only appars for norwegian 21:56 Francesca good morning 21:56 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes 21:56 cait i think the normarc sample data/frameworks etc. only exist in the norwegian web installer 21:56 cait so it doesn't get listed when you run it in another language 21:57 wizzyrea aha 21:58 wizzyrea bless you all for putting up with my dumb questions 22:00 pianohacker that's not actually a dumb question 22:00 pianohacker I would have been surprised by that too 22:04 cait wizzyrea: ... i just did one of those fail qas where immediaely after you hit 'save' in bugzilla, you know it's your fault 22:04 wizzyrea <sympathy> 22:04 pianohacker I knew it! 22:05 eythian http://www.itchyfeetcomic.com/2014/09/limited-creativity-pt-2.html <-- cait 22:06 cait eythian: heh 22:07 cait hm go wheel i would translate to drive wheel... 22:07 cait and i have no idea about into-the-groundening 22:07 eythian that doesn't make it better 22:07 cait we have 'under-the-earth-bringing' tho... 22:07 wizzyrea hm. I'm thinking about how we "hide" setting permissions 22:08 pianohacker ? 22:08 eythian cait: is potato "ground apple" there too? 22:08 wizzyrea I just had the rather daft thought that maybe that function should be a tab on the side 22:08 wizzyrea instead of under "more" 22:08 cait that depends on where you ask people in germany :) 22:08 eythian fair enough :) 22:08 Francesca lol ground apple 22:09 cait wizzyrea: hm not sur aboutthe tab... we already got so many and it only applies to a few users 22:09 pianohacker yeah... 22:09 * eythian notes that "orange" (the colour) in English comes from "orange" (the fruit.) Not the other way around. 22:09 pianohacker the interface could use some love tho 22:09 Francesca interface? 22:09 wahanui it has been said that interface is optional. 22:09 Francesca what for? 22:09 cait eythian: and most of those words are very fitting! 22:10 eythian cait: sure, but not creative :) 22:10 cait pf 22:10 eythian good poing 22:10 cait what's a naked snail in english? 22:10 wizzyrea slug 22:10 eythian what is with "pferd" anyway? 22:10 eythian who puts "pf" like that? 22:10 cait horse? 22:10 wizzyrea permissions is both a function and a view 22:11 eythian also pfepper or however you say it :) 22:11 cait pfeffer 22:11 cait = pepper 22:11 eythian that's right 22:11 wahanui no it's not. 22:11 wizzyrea Francesca: for the borrower details/circulation pages 22:11 Francesca oh 22:12 Francesca cool 22:12 wizzyrea that more menu is a hodgepodge of "stuff" 22:12 * Francesca just pays attention to the idea that something needs prettying up 22:13 cait true 22:13 cait like the more at the top :) 22:13 wizzyrea I've never been sure why cataloguing was under "more" 22:14 wizzyrea it's 50% of the reason a librarian might use Koha 22:14 cait hm and tools 22:14 wizzyrea (give or take) 22:14 pianohacker yes 22:14 pianohacker there should be a rancor button in the top toolbar 22:14 pianohacker instant rancor 22:14 cait with a little dinosaur? 22:14 pianohacker I think the star wars character would make a lumpy, angry icon 22:15 wizzyrea http://images.fun.com/products/18352/1-1/star-wars-rancor-plush.jpg 22:15 pianohacker hehehe 22:15 wizzyrea actually I'd love to fix up the tools page. 22:16 wizzyrea oh there was another thing I wanted to do to the label creator too. 22:16 wizzyrea I wanted to add that "tools" sidebar to it 22:16 wizzyrea to match many of the other tools 22:16 cait ew 22:16 cait wizzyrea: i'd like that 22:16 cait maybe add a bug? 22:17 wizzyrea yeah actually that's an omnibus, there are quite a few tools that don't have it 22:17 wizzyrea uneven in application :/ 22:17 wizzyrea there are probably tools that aren't listed in the sidebar too 22:19 wizzyrea that... will be a challenge on the "tags moderation" page because of the filters that are already in that sidebar. 22:19 wizzyrea that's going to take some thinking 22:19 eythian https://imgur.com/V9IMBIr 22:20 wizzyrea teehee 22:22 mveron good night / daytime #koha 22:23 wizzyrea hum, did we know that deleting quotes makes the interface hang at "processing" 22:23 wizzyrea TypeError: this.oApi._fnServerParams is not a function 22:33 wizzyrea http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1447886014.png \o/ 22:34 Francesca I want to make it greener somehow 22:34 Francesca buut thats just me 22:34 wizzyrea nah, green is bad for colour blind people 22:35 * Francesca thinks guiltly of the dashboard 22:37 eythian green for differentiation can be bad 22:37 eythian for decoration I think it's OK 22:38 cait yeah red/green as indicators for something are not good 22:38 Francesca thats good 22:39 wizzyrea (I like green for decoration, but not for things like links) 22:39 Francesca mmm 22:44 wizzyrea if you looked at me whilst coming in to work today, you'd realise that I actually quite like green, generally. :) 22:45 tcohen khall_away: I love the font awesome icons 22:45 cait i think they appear... clearer? 22:45 wizzyrea they are 22:45 cait somehow 22:45 wizzyrea they scale better. 22:45 cait yeah 22:45 tcohen they look polished 22:46 tcohen even if they are… similar 22:46 wizzyrea I think they're vector 22:46 tcohen is that thing… 22:46 cait svg i tink 22:46 wizzyrea ^ 22:46 tcohen yes, they are 22:46 cait some look a bit or more different to before 22:46 wizzyrea our designers were asking about adding fontawesome yonks ago 22:46 wizzyrea so they were pretty excited when I told them :) 22:46 Francesca font awesome? 22:47 cait not sure if it's availalbe for opac yet 22:47 wizzyrea it's only a matter of time amirite 22:47 Francesca what is font awesome? 22:47 cait and someone has to do it heh :) 22:47 wizzyrea Francesca could do that :0 22:47 wizzyrea :) 22:47 cait Francesca: svg picture you can use like characters in a font 22:47 Francesca oh cool 22:47 cait ... but someone else can probalby explain it better 22:47 Francesca lol 22:48 wizzyrea google knows everything ^.^ 22:48 cait i hope not :) 22:48 Francesca and so does wahanui 22:48 wizzyrea well it knows everything about font awesome :P 22:48 cait okok :) 22:48 Francesca this looks awesome 22:49 wizzyrea I'd hope so, since it's got "awesome" in the name. 22:49 * Francesca makes a note to use font awesome on one of her old webpages 22:49 Francesca lol 22:49 wizzyrea you should do that, and then go through the opac and fix the icons everywhere to use font-awesome 22:50 Francesca I could do that yeah - how do I get to the opac though 22:50 tcohen can we focus on bug fixes? for a couple days? 22:51 tcohen we will then revamp the whole project 22:51 tcohen bag will take care 22:51 tcohen heh 22:51 Francesca I can do pretty stuff once bug fixing is done 22:51 eythian just rewrite it in java 22:51 bag :) 22:51 bag I’m looking at bugs :) that’s my day 22:51 tcohen no no Francesca 22:51 tcohen the pretty stuff cannot wait! 22:51 Francesca yay! 22:51 wizzyrea ^ 22:53 Francesca well let me set up font awesome on my own page first 22:53 Francesca then I shall turn my attention to the opac 22:53 wizzyrea yep, that's a sound plan 22:54 Francesca might not get started on the opac till tomorrow though - have choir stuff this afternoon 22:56 Francesca I'm looking at this font awesome stuff and wishing I'd known about it before 22:56 Francesca its just so awesome 22:57 dcook Thanks for QAing that bug, cait :) 22:58 dcook You're a legend! 22:58 cait ... when is say it looked just easier than the sip bug next to it... will that destroy that reputation? 22:59 dcook Nah, still a legend :) 22:59 cait it's not quite true either 22:59 dcook That it was easier? 22:59 cait we have fallen for the opacsuppression trap a lot of times 22:59 cait i think it's a good fix 22:59 wizzyrea Francesca: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14915 looking at the patches for this might give you an idea of where to start or how to go about it. 22:59 huginn 04Bug 14915: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Use Font Awesome instead of Glyphicons for the staff intranet 23:00 cait it certainly was - i still need to get my sip test enviornment working again 23:01 Francesca wizzyrea: thanks I'll take a look at those 23:02 tcohen Francesca: a good strting point would trying to make the main submit button on the staff interface match the rest of the interface's style 23:02 Francesca I can also take a look at that - just not right now as I have to do other stuff 23:03 wizzyrea yep, there's no rush really 23:03 Francesca so much fun! so much stuff to make pretty! 23:03 cait Francesca++:) 23:07 dcook cait: I'm glad you liked it :) 23:07 dcook barton|away: I hope that all my Zebra emails have been helpful ;) 23:07 dcook cait: It's unfortunate that the opacsuppression patch is needed, but hopefully that will reduce the number of headaches and support calls over that issue 23:08 bag nice job barton chili 23:12 barton|away dcook: they are 'helpful' much in the way that Mt. Everist is 'big'. 23:12 barton|away :-) 23:12 bag gonna run some updates on my computer wish me some lucks (hopefully I return :) ) 23:13 cait fingerscrossed :) 23:13 dcook Last time I ran some updates on my laptop, I spent a fair while afterwards re-installing everything... 23:13 dcook So bonne chance! 23:13 * bag knocking on wood and all that 23:13 dcook barton|away: :p 23:14 dcook I think in the future it might be worthwhile to use the Zebra and YAZ from Indexdata's repositories rather than the Debian ones... 23:14 dcook The Debian maintainer for Zebra doesn't seem all that keen on maintaining it 23:14 dcook Perhaps one of us could take over maintaining 23:14 dcook it 23:14 dcook ... 23:14 barton|away hmm. 23:14 dcook I'm going to have a baby soon, so not it. 23:14 dcook :p 23:15 * dcook thinks tcohen is also a legend 23:15 dcook tcohen++ 23:15 dcook cait++ 23:15 barton|away hm. that's a bit more than I want to bite off. 23:15 dcook I want to do a lot of projects, but I know my limits... 23:15 barton|away I'd vote the same way :-) 23:16 tcohen dcook: i can build a debianzebramaintainerbox vagrant with all you need for maintaining it 23:16 cait wnickc++ 23:16 barton|away by the way dcook, your email about zebra logging was a piece of awesome that I wasn't expecting. 23:16 tcohen easy 23:17 dcook tcohen: Well, I am intrigued by the technical aspects... but I think the political aspects would be the tougher part 23:18 dcook I don't necessarily want to commit to a role that I couldn't invest in 23:18 dcook I'm already overworked as it is... although of course right now I'm in IRC, but that's probably a testament to how much work I have at the moment... 23:18 dcook Need a few minutes to breathe between things 23:19 wnickc cait++ all the time 23:19 barton|away @dcook++ all the time, when it comes to zebra. 23:19 huginn barton|away: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 23:20 tcohen zebra is ok, but it is no longer a profitable project for indexdata (it hasn't been for a while) so we need to move away from it, ASAP 23:20 tcohen it is a legacy project 23:20 tcohen for them 23:21 cait kind of a pity.... we finally start to figure out all th things 23:21 cait and all the mistakes we made... 23:22 tcohen we should've taken advantage of DOM a long ago! 23:22 tcohen opacsupression would be a candidate 23:22 tcohen calculating vailable items ,et 23:22 tcohen c 23:22 tcohen many things we do *after* we get the data from Zebra 23:23 tcohen I hope we do it right in ES 23:24 cait hope it doesn't take us as long to learn from past mistakes at least... 23:24 tcohen i think zebra will be around for another year and maybe more 23:25 cait i think probably more 23:25 tcohen so probably worth fixing a couple things hm 23:25 cait i'd say so 23:37 cait ... and when i wake up... someone has magically signed off Bug 14870 - Delete C4/Dates.pm from System please? :) 23:38 cait the last missing pieces to get rid of C4::Dates for good... 23:38 * tcohen forgot to announce string freeze! 23:49 tcohen oh s*it 23:51 pianohacker oh spit 23:59 cait night all 23:59 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.