Time  Nick          Message
01:25 Francesca     @wunder wlg
01:25 huginn        Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on November 16, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
01:30 * wizzyrea    yawns
01:30 * Francesca   is tired also
01:31 * dcook       yawns three
01:31 * eythian     just sleeps with his eyes open
01:31 Francesca     hahahaha
01:31 Francesca     skills
01:33 cdickinson    I feel like a criminal for being not tired for once
01:34 Francesca     is it a criminal offence to be tired now?
01:35 cdickinson    no, it's a criminal offence to NOT be tired
01:35 Francesca     lol
01:41 dcook         Huzzah... figured out how to access zebra::snippet on an older Koha based on stuff I wrote on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232
01:41 dcook         :D
01:41 huginn        04Bug 11232: new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, Retrieve facets from Zebra
01:43 dcook         Particularly useful when you get a record hit, and you want to know which index the hit came from...
01:43 pastebot      "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "The joys of zebra::snippet" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/161
01:44 dcook         Now figuring out a way to make Zebra not autocorrect the spelling...
03:59 dcook         Fooooooooooooood
04:01 eythian       wahanui: food is <reply>such as brains.
04:01 wahanui       ...but food is ready...
04:01 eythian       no wahanui, food is <reply>such as brains.
04:01 wahanui       okay, eythian.
04:01 jcamins       food?
04:01 wahanui       such as brains.
04:01 jcamins       No, the response still doesn't make sense to me.
04:01 * jcamins     was checking.
04:02 eythian       it's an example of food, jcamins
04:02 eythian       very rich, though
04:02 eythian       so don't eat too many
04:07 Francesca     who eats brains
07:02 magnuse       Francesca: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_%28food%29
07:03 Francesca     thanks, I think
07:03 Francesca     brains are not my kind of food
07:04 Francesca     ah well
07:47 reiveune      hello
07:48 Francesca     hi
07:48 wahanui       que tal, Francesca
07:56 dcook         I wonder why we didn't use some of the embedded item fields in the bibliographic records... like 852
07:57 dcook         I suppose there's no way of storing an item number in there...
07:57 dcook         MARC sure is a jerk..
07:59 dcook         Although maybe a compound key of bibliographic number and sequence number...
08:01 alex_a        bonjour
08:01 wahanui       niihau, alex_a
08:13 gaetan_B      hello
10:03 paul_p        Joubu = dans les parages ?
10:04 paul_p        !seen joubu
10:04 paul_p        @seen joubu
10:04 huginn        paul_p: joubu was last seen in #koha 2 days, 17 hours, 10 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Joubu> Have a good week-end #koha!
10:12 kohanoob      hi
10:12 kohanoob      I'm having some trouble with zebra reindexing
10:12 kohanoob      http://pastebin.com/jxb9GJX3
10:13 kohanoob      what i have is Koha 3.18.5 (.deb install on Debian 7)
10:14 kohanoob      i imported an existing Koha db (from 3.18.3) into a blank 3.18.5 empty db
10:14 kohanoob      any zebra experts around?
10:23 ashimema      how did you attempt to run the rebuild?
10:23 ashimema      oops..
10:23 ashimema      it's there at the top of the paste
10:24 ashimema      running as root
10:25 ashimema      'tis all about permissions errors
10:25 * ashimema    in meeting now
10:37 * cait        waves
11:50 cait          ashimema++ :)
13:01 Viktor        magnuse++ was right. A meta report for getting the SQL of reports saved me the process of manually view/copy/paste/add descriptions to 70 reports. xarragon++ walked me through it.
13:07 magnuse       yay!
13:18 khall         @seen tcohen
13:18 huginn        khall: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 days, 20 hours, 5 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <tcohen> bye Joubu uuuuu
13:25 nengard       Hi all
13:36 ashimema      hi nengard
13:42 * magnuse     waves
13:45 wnickc        hi magnuse
13:45 ashimema      hi magnuse
13:59 magnuse       i have a library running under plack in production. every so often it looks like something bad happens to the databaseconnection, and they are shown the webinstaller. fair enough. but if they click into the webinstaller, it shows perl modules as missing that are *not* actually missing from the server they are runinng on. anyone else seen that?
14:03 ashimema      Not seen that one I'm afraid..
14:04 ashimema      have seen the db disconnect.. but not the installer modules issue
14:04 ashimema      we run plack in parallel with cgi at the moment, so customers have a fallback whilst we go restart plack
14:10 magnuse       ashimema: ok, thanks
14:24 cait          ashimema: how often do you need to restart? / how stable is it?
14:25 ashimema      Hmm..
14:25 ashimema      oen moment and I'll ask the guy who restarts it
14:26 ashimema      We are using it for opac and staff
14:26 ashimema      Some of the disconnects are inside our own code.. the cash management piece we haven't yet submitted upstream..
14:27 ashimema      having said that, the code only uses koha's dbic implimentation, not it's own connection, so likeyl it's not our code..
14:27 ashimema      and.. I'm yet to roll on Joubu's latest patches that attempt to fix the disconnects onto the server in question..
14:30 tcohen        late morning
14:31 magnuse       cait: we see the webinstaller a couple of times a week, maybe
14:31 tcohen        cait: what is it about?
14:31 magnuse       i was planning to restart plack every night, but koha-plack refused to be run from cron out of the box, and i have not had time to investigate
14:31 cait          tcohen: they were discussing using plack in prodcution - i was just curious :)
14:31 cait          and hi tcohen :)
14:32 magnuse       hi tcohen
14:32 ashimema      my man got back to me..
14:32 ashimema      about once a week at the moment.
14:32 ashimema      we're running under a dev install.. not packages
14:32 tcohen        ashimema: how do u run plack? do u have some requests limit ?
14:33 tcohen        the current integration on packages relies on starman and kill the child process each 50 requests
14:33 * magnuse     wanders off to make pancakes, but will read back later
14:39 cait          mmh pancakes
14:45 Dyrcona       mpm_pancake.conf
14:45 Dyrcona       Sorry, been messing with Apache configs today. :)
14:46 ashimema      we're just switching to the 50 request limit tonight tcohen
14:46 ashimema      feels like a hack to me.. but it'll do for now ;
16:00 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15116: Show menu at the top of batch circ page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=528e9963ee80f3abb6f70ecdaa616b6511bdbb3f> / Bug 14078: (followup) converting from ISO5426 is not complete <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=636050f9be374fc15acad8b047c1ae227d38b225> / Bug 14078: converting from ISO5426 is not complete <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha
16:07 bora          Hi! I am trying to import Koha records (with items) into a new Koha version. But I only can import the records, not items.
16:08 bora          How can I do to be able to import records with items? Thanks.
16:10 wnickc        hi bora, are the items in the 952 field in the marc records?
16:13 bora          Sorry, I do not know how find if the item in the field 952 or not.
16:14 bora          Could you tell how to check it?
16:14 mveron        Good evening / daytime #koha
16:15 wnickc        bora: where did the records come from?  Marcedit is the easiest way I know to look into the marc
16:19 bora          Yes, it is in the field 952
16:19 Shane-S       When doing returns (returns.pl) often we are getting an error Can't bless non-reference value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ItemType.pm line 64. Where or what can I look for to fix or provide more information?
16:21 wnickc        and formatted correctly for koha: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx)
16:22 wnickc        if so did you make sure that 'check for embedded item record data' is set to yes
16:23 cait          Shane-S: hm check your itemtypes are all valid
16:23 cait          sorry, i should be more clear
16:23 bora          Yes, I set it to "yes."
16:23 cait          check that the items itypes match exactly valid itemtype codes -
16:24 cait          exactly - no additional spaces at the end... and the same case spelling
16:24 reiveune      bye
16:25 Shane-S       cait: okay..issue might be we had to do a long migration and db upgrade from 3.12 -> 3.20 would that have messed these up, they are older books
16:26 cait          Shane-S:  hm there is also bug 13934
16:26 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13934 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Check in fails on master "Can't bless non-reference at .../ItemType.pm Line 64"
16:26 cait          but it should be fixed in 3.20
16:26 Shane-S       we installed from packages so it was all done via scripts
16:26 cait          that should not affect your items actually hm.
16:27 cait          might be koha is more strict now than it used to be
16:27 cait          i'd check if it's repeatable for a specific item
16:27 cait          next time it occurs
16:27 cait          and then you can take a closer look at this one
16:28 Shane-S       yeah it is, same books cause it
16:29 cait          ah good
16:29 cait          an additional space can be really hard to see - but maybe it's another easier to spot difference
16:30 Shane-S       so I am looking at the itemtype field?
16:30 Shane-S       if I cna ever find the book....search is slow...
16:31 Shane-S       my second library (same server) but added from 3.12 (other one with issues was like 3.08) hasn't had these problems and migrated fine.
16:32 Shane-S       finally returned my results :p
16:33 Shane-S       ah, okay...now to test...itemtype wasn;t set
16:33 cait          oh
16:33 cait          that'd explain it too
16:34 Shane-S       I swear it was defaulted to "book"...maybe when I did the MARC import way back when item types didn't migrate and it wasn't an issue in previous versions?
16:35 Shane-S       any way to batch update all record with "" to be books?
16:35 Shane-S       like update itemtype = "4" where itemtype = ""?
16:36 cait          hm
16:36 cait          ou could write a report
16:36 cait          to get them all
16:37 cait          yeah you can update it too with ql
16:37 cait          sql
16:37 cait          or you can get the itemnumbers out with sql and use the item batch edit with the list
16:38 Shane-S       hmm...seems like SQL might work...need to go write one...been awhile since my php/mysql days
16:38 cait          that has the advantage that you don't have to worry about zebra - the batch edit tool takes care of it
16:38 Shane-S       oh...so maybe SQL out the ID, then batch...less stress
16:38 cait          select itemnumber from items where itemtype = "" or itemtype is NULL or so
16:38 cait          yeah, that's what i sometimes do
16:38 cait          depends a bit on how many you get out
16:39 Shane-S       yeah..
16:39 cait          might want to do the batch in batches :)
16:40 Shane-S       can I use SQL through a tool, or need to SSH in?
16:52 Shane-S       hmm..having no luck...report only comes out with values for itype I did WHERE items.itype<>"BK" and no blanks for itype are in the report
16:54 cait          Shane-S: did you only try = "" or IS NULL also?
16:55 cait          and yes, you can od select statements from the reports tool
16:55 Shane-S       I found it...so Books in type is set to "BK" these have a code of "BOOK"
16:55 cait          ah
16:55 cait          yeah
16:55 Shane-S       so, I am going to doublecheck my item types...and them batch update
16:56 Shane-S       hmm..no item type of book...maybe they imported that way
16:57 cait          hm yeah - i tihnk the import doesn't mind
16:58 Shane-S       <100 so batch should be easy enough
16:58 cait          yep
16:59 Shane-S       ty cait I was lost looking at the error...i feared a major migration issue....requiring a rebuild
16:59 cait          sometimes the scaries errors come down to small things :)
16:59 Shane-S       all because I didn't keep up on the updates
16:59 cait          i have had someone else recently with a similar problem i think
17:03 Shane-S       okay batch all done, and all books fixed. Was actually only 50...not bad for an 8,000 records DB ;)
17:04 cait          :)
17:04 Shane-S       I think we "have" 3,000 books, but the system was from Follets Circ/Cat for OS X
17:04 Shane-S       running on OS 9...so yeah...old...and before my time
17:05 Shane-S       and I am the IT person...so Library stuff...is foreign to me...though not nearly as much now since Koha  and Evergreen endevors (Koha won FYI)
17:06 cait          :)
17:06 Shane-S       someday if I ever hit the lottery I will have to mail you all $500 coffee gift cards ;)
17:07 cait          heh
17:07 cait          are you playing the lottery?
17:07 Shane-S       oh wait...I gotta do that to win don't I...seems I always miss a step ;)
17:09 Shane-S       I do play when the news says the jackpots are 150+ million...otherwise only the christmas scratch offs I get from co-workers
17:19 gaetan_B      bye
17:27 bag           morning
17:30 druthb        good afternoon, bag.  :P
17:30 bag           heya druthb
17:36 tcohen        hi bag
17:37 bag           heya tcohen
18:19 bag           bag?
18:19 wahanui       I LIKE BASEBALL
18:19 JesseM        jessem?
18:19 wahanui       you are new to the committers list (from yesterday)
18:19 amyk-meeting  amyk?
18:19 bag           amyk is great
18:19 bag           amyk?
18:19 wahanui       amyk is great
18:44 talljoy_phone @later tell dani rocio asked for tutorial on bulk updates in RT.  here is one if you would like to view http://screencast.com/t/ni1HH0UVY4j
18:44 huginn        talljoy_phone: The operation succeeded.
18:45 talljoy_phone ha!  well all of koha can see my screencast!  don't judge me...i'm no video person.  heh
18:45 rocio         talljoy_phone
18:45 rocio         haha
18:45 talljoy_phone hi rocio!
18:45 talljoy       ah.  we had a netsplit on bywater channel...that explains it
18:51 rangi         morning
18:53 cait          morning rangi, hi all
19:00 tcohen        hi rangi
19:00 tcohen        !!
19:00 rangi         !!
19:00 rangi         :)
19:01 tcohen        this is a proof I don't introduce typos on my commit messages only
19:03 * tcohen      sits waiting for jenkins to go green once and for all
19:03 rangi         :)
19:04 tcohen        rangi: is it possible to have bugs for the CI infrastructure on bz? :-D
19:04 cait          CI?
19:04 rangi         yup, but probably should be its own product
19:04 tcohen        i want the RM and the QA team to be able to fill bugs on that
19:04 rangi         not under the koha product
19:04 tcohen        yeah
19:04 tcohen        sure
19:04 rangi         2 secs
19:05 tcohen        cait: Continuous Integration (a.k.a. jenkins)
19:05 cait          aah
19:05 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15152: t/db_dependent/Reports_Guided.t should not depend on existing data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0adb88d0a55ac5625bd5973bb7053b14769bd41> / Bug 15133: encode correctly email generated by runreport.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9515db57bdd13cdff33d9056963455fb850ad877> / Bug 15120: runreport.pl cronjob doesn't allow custom subjects anymore <
19:05 tcohen        I generalized it because we could introduce more tools if needed
19:05 cait          we have test suite, but not jenkins
19:05 tcohen        yeah, they are of course related
19:05 tcohen        but CI could be used to build docs, build master packages, etc
19:05 tcohen        who knows
19:06 rangi         im gonna call it infrastructure
19:06 tcohen        not only tests :-D
19:06 rangi         CI can be a component
19:06 rangi         so we can put bugs about all our stuff, like splitter, or hea etc
19:06 tcohen        100% agreed!
19:07 tcohen        can u please assign me the CI component while you're there :-D
19:08 cait          hm maybe a different description then?
19:08 rangi         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/enter_bug.cgi
19:09 cait          hea and splitter don't seem to fit in
19:09 cait          Dev tools?
19:09 cait          ah
19:09 cait          sorr
19:09 cait          y
19:09 cait          i should have scrolled all the way up
19:10 cait          should we move Websites, Mailing Lists, etc. translate.koha-community.org and the others then?
19:10 rangi         eventually yes
19:10 cait          there are also components for contribs and bugs.kc.org
19:11 rangi         yep
19:11 rangi         ill wait until after the release tho
19:12 tcohen        thanks rangi
19:12 cait          maybe we can do it as part of the usual clean-up
19:12 rangi         sounds good
19:13 bag           sounds good indeed
19:41 tcohen        @wunder cordoba, argentina
19:41 huginn        tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 32.0°C (4:00 PM ART on November 16, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
19:41 cait          @wunder Konstanz
19:41 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 13.0°C (8:41 PM CET on November 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
19:42 tcohen        bag: that's hard for a tennis match :-/
19:42 cait          it's super warm here for this time of the year
19:42 * tcohen      laughs *super warm*
19:42 bag           @wunder pdx
19:42 huginn        bag: The current temperature in Vancouver Heights, Vancouver, Washington is 8.2°C (11:42 AM PST on November 16, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
19:42 cait          it's 8 at night :)
19:42 cdickinson_   @wunder lower hutt
19:42 huginn        cdickinson_: The current temperature in Waterloo, Lower Hutt, New Zealand is 15.2°C (8:40 AM NZDT on November 17, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
19:42 cait          in november a sweater and my thinnest jacket shoudl not be too warm... but it is
19:42 cdickinson_   perfect
19:42 bag           too cold to go running outside - I think I will go use a treadmill inside
19:46 tcohen        i can't leave until jenkins finishes, I'm too anxious
19:49 bag           hurry up jenkins
21:34 wizzyrea      hi
21:37 * cait        waves
21:40 trasheagle    Does anyone have any experience with the Zebra/SRU search?
21:40 cait          that's not a very specific question :)
21:41 cait          trasheagle: just ask away, if someone around knows the answer they will react
21:42 trasheagle    Ok, well I've inherited a Koha Debian install.
21:42 trasheagle    I enabled Zebra/SRU and have Zebra index, I have a bit of trouble with that.
21:42 trasheagle    indexed*
21:42 wizzyrea      what kind of trouble?
21:43 trasheagle    Disk quote issues, they were resolved and Zebra is running.
21:43 trasheagle    quota*
21:44 trasheagle    Anyway, I'm not sure how to form the SRU URL to get what I want.
21:45 trasheagle    I am looking to be able to search records by tag.
21:45 trasheagle    It doesn't look like this is possible with the regular REST API
21:45 rangi         tag as in the tags in the tag cloud?
21:46 cait          or tags as marc tags?
21:46 trasheagle    MARC tags
21:46 cait          can you give an example search you want to do?
21:46 trasheagle    This is all going to be through the API
21:46 trasheagle    So using the REST API I have a record that has this:
21:46 trasheagle    <datafield tag="040" ind1=" " ind2=" "> <subfield code="a">WiMaASF</subfield> <subfield code="c">WiMaASF</subfield> <subfield code="e">rda</subfield> </datafield> <datafield tag="084" ind1=" " ind2=" "> <subfield code="2">NHC</subfield> <subfield code="a">WRMT.10.ASFPM2010</subfield> </datafield>
21:46 cait          in zebra multiple marc tags can be mapped to one index... i think you can only search using the index names
21:46 trasheagle    whoops
21:47 trasheagle    I should use the paste, sry
21:47 trasheagle    <datafield tag="040" ind1=" " ind2=" "> <subfield code="a">WiMaASF</subfield> <subfield code="c">WiMaASF</subfield> <subfield code="e">rda</subfield> </datafield> <datafield tag="084" ind1=" " ind2=" "> <subfield code="2">NHC</subfield> <subfield code="a">WRMT.10.ASFPM2010</subfield> </datafield>
21:47 trasheagle    http://paste.koha-community.org/164?tx=on&wr=on&ln=on&tidy=on&hl=on&store=on&submit=Format+it%21
21:48 trasheagle    So the datafields have a tag value and subfields with values
21:49 trasheagle    values*
21:49 pianohacker   cait: bug 15197
21:49 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15197 critical, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Multiple special characters (</&/>) not escaped correctly in Rancor
21:49 * cait        hands pianohacker some chocolate
21:49 pianohacker   mmm
21:49 cait          can you please add a test plan?
21:49 pianohacker   sure
21:50 trasheagle    I want to form a URL that gives me records with those tag values
21:50 trasheagle    err I want to search by those tag values
21:50 cait          it doesn't work quite the way you want it to, I think
21:51 cait          what you want to do is find out which index those tags are indexed in
21:51 cait          and then use those to form a search
21:51 trasheagle    I am looking through the CQL docs: http://www.loc.gov/standards/sru/cql/spec.html
21:53 trasheagle    Would you be able to point me to the documentation about that?
21:53 cait          040 is indexed in Code-institution
21:53 cait          084 is not indexed at all right now - you'd have to add an index first for that
21:53 cait          the index definitions can be found in several files
21:53 cait          the one i checked is this one http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml;h=6b1fb87baa1a43544075de546bf178b6765bf1b9;hb=c0adb88d0a55ac5625bd5973bb7053b14769bd41
21:54 cait          but this is master.. it might look slightly different
21:54 cait          in your installation
21:54 cait          which version are you running?
21:54 trasheagle    Koha version:	3.20.05.000
21:55 cait          hm ok, that's not too far from the one i showed you - but you can look up the file in your installation of course and see there
21:55 cait          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_new_zebra_index
21:56 cait          pianohacker: ... and include the test plan in the commit message... :)
21:56 pianohacker   so strict
21:58 cait          well... yes.
21:58 bag           ha
21:58 trasheagle    ok
21:58 pianohacker   I did the needful
21:58 eythian       hi
21:59 trasheagle    So I need to add index_data_fields for the tags I want to index?
21:59 cait          040 is indexed already
21:59 cait          but 084 is not
21:59 cait          so you can't search on it
22:00 trasheagle    Since 040 is already indexed, how would I form a URL to search on it?
22:01 cait          i have never played with SRU so far
22:01 cait          i am not totally sure
22:01 cait          well... or not sure at all
22:01 trasheagle    I am correct in that Zebra/SRU is needed for this?
22:02 trasheagle    The regular REST API doesn
22:02 trasheagle    t do this?
22:02 cait          hm it looks like there is another file involved then
22:02 cait          etc/zebradb/pqf.properties
22:02 wahanui       etc/zebradb/pqf.properties is the key: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/pqf.properties
22:03 cait          see here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Making_more_indexes_searchable_with_Zebra_SRU
22:04 cait          trasheagle: currently we only have a restful implementation for cataloguing i think... but we are working on a new restful API that will cover more - but it's not available yet
22:04 cait          but for searching, sru makes sense yes
22:04 trasheagle    ok, thanks for the help
22:31 * cait        glares at her qa queue
22:48 dcook         Oh snap...
22:48 dcook         "Specifies whether un-indexed fields should be ignored. A zero value (default) throws a diagnostic when an un-indexed field is specified. A non-zero value makes it return 0 hits"
22:49 dcook         While that would make debugging harder, that could be nicer in production...
22:49 dcook         Well, maybe
22:49 eythian       that presumably also fixes the OpacSuppression thingy
22:49 dcook         In theory
22:49 dcook         Hmm
22:49 dcook         Too many other things to do but if I don't look at this now..
22:50 pianohacker   dcook: whatcha looking at?
22:50 dcook         pianohacker: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-zebra.html
22:50 dcook         I can't remember what I was actually looking for. Just noticed that at a glance
22:51 pianohacker   well, that's clearly specified :P
22:51 dcook         Oh, I'm looking at automatic single error correction in Zebra (e.g. "carer" includes hits for "career"), but Indexdata says that's not a thing... so I need to give them more info..
22:51 pianohacker   @attr 14=1 ?
22:51 huginn        pianohacker: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
22:51 dcook         @attr 7=14 1
22:51 huginn        dcook: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
22:51 dcook         I would think
22:51 dcook         Oh wait
22:51 dcook         My bad..
22:51 dcook         Yeah, wth...
22:52 dcook         Maybe @attr 14=1 1?
22:53 pianohacker   I think that's it... is there any precedence for @attr's without values?
22:53 pianohacker   bgkriegel++
22:53 dcook         Oh wait... no I think you were right the first time
22:54 dcook         Precedence for @attrs without values...
22:54 dcook         How do you mean?
22:54 dcook         Ahh, nevermind
22:54 dcook         Yeah
22:54 dcook         Look at 3.2.2. Zebra Extension Rank Weight Attribute (type 9)
22:54 pianohacker   ah, yup yup
22:54 dcook         Looks like you had it right with @attr 14=1
22:55 dcook         So we can do a test of that quite easily..
22:55 pianohacker   PQF is weird.
22:55 dcook         word
22:55 cait          you 2 make absolutely no sense to me :)
22:56 pianohacker   that's probably good.
22:56 dcook         ^
22:57 dcook         Well it doesn't work for made up use attributes...
22:57 dcook         Let's see about the OpacSuppression suggestion
22:57 dcook         Yep
22:58 pastebot      "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "OpacSuppression stuffz" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/165
22:59 dcook         Well that's neat
23:01 dcook         I wonder if there's a config option somewhere else for that..
23:01 dcook         Probably is
23:04 dcook         Nah that would've just made sense..
23:04 dcook         Boo.. http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/zebra-cfg.html
23:05 dcook         pianohacker: Did you see my million emails about the latest Zebra and YAZ changes?
23:05 dcook         Looks like the newest YAZ makes the CCL2RPN work properly for that lex r=o example
23:06 pianohacker   dcook: yeah, I did
23:07 dcook         Cool :)
23:07 pianohacker   I think the fix for now is to just explicitly not add the rk=() wrapping for ,st-numeric searches
23:07 dcook         Yeah, I think that's the only option atm
23:07 dcook         Well...
23:07 dcook         Anything that uses r=o to be honest
23:07 pianohacker   it's kind of meaningless for a numeric, explicit-index search anyway, right?
23:07 dcook         Because rk=() overwrites the relation attributes used for range searches...
23:08 dcook         pianohacker: I'd say so
23:08 dcook         Well, almost meaningless
23:08 dcook         It might be useful in a complex query
23:08 pianohacker   oh, right, st-date-normalized and st-numeric
23:08 dcook         The presence or absence of a number might still be important for the overall relevance score of a query segment
23:09 dcook         Possibly st-year too I think
23:09 dcook         I think Search.pm has a few exceptions already in it for yr and acqdate
23:09 pianohacker   yeah
23:09 dcook         Which disable ranking for the entire query or at least the rest of the query
23:15 dcook         Ahh... I think I've solved that "siemon" = "simon" problem
23:15 dcook         equivalent ï(ie)
23:15 dcook         map ï			i
23:17 dcook         Hmm maybe that doesn't do what I think it does
23:18 dcook         Nope... not it..
23:42 dcook         eythian: What's the issue with OpacSuppression again?
23:43 dcook         Oh, nevermind
23:43 dcook         I think I recall
23:43 eythian       dcook: if it's turned on, but you have no suppressed items, you get no results
23:43 dcook         Righto
23:44 dcook         I guess that 14=1 wouldn't really make a difference
23:45 dcook         As I don't think there's a way to search for "not set"
23:45 dcook         I suppose the thing to do would actually be to change the indexing...
23:45 dcook         To add 0 if it's not set, and 1 if it is set
23:46 * dcook       ponders
23:46 dcook         If OpacSuppression is on, we add a bit to the query..
23:46 dcook         Excluding anything with OpacSuppression on
23:47 dcook         Oh hey, that does work
23:47 dcook         That's cool
23:48 dcook         Sort of..
23:48 pastebot      "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Workaround for annoying OpacSuppression issue" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/166
23:55 dcook         Ooohh...
23:55 dcook         We can just add 14=1 to Suppress even
23:56 dcook         While that wouldn't be as comprehensive, we really only find this issue with Suppress...
23:57 dcook         Yes...
23:57 dcook         I so don't have time for this but it would help other people...