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23:09 mveron ...or daytime...
23:08 mveron Good night everybody, and Koha community ++
23:08 * mveron amended two C4::Dates patches to make them apply. Almost falls asleep, hopes for overnight magic regarding C4::Dates sign-offs :-)
23:01 mveron wizzyrea: welcome :-)
22:42 eythian http://search.cpan.org/~mlehmann/common-sense-3.74/sense.pod
22:35 wizzyrea mveron++ yay ty for the signoff
22:33 mveron :-)
22:33 bag mveron++
22:33 mveron bag ++
22:32 cait thx!
22:31 cait :)
22:30 bag silly girl
22:30 bag cait ginny is watching clifford the tv show in the other room and she’s laughing so loud! it’s making me giggle
22:29 bag should be up there now
22:27 bag nah I just updated the bug - I will send patch in a little bit
22:26 cait missing the patch, was not sure if it was bug confusion, so asking :)
22:25 bag silly me
22:25 bag did it not finish?
22:25 bag I meant to sign it off. and right in the middle of me doing that - a person came to the door so I got up to help them
22:24 cait did you mean to sign it off?
22:24 * dcook waves to bag too for good measure
22:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove C4::Dates from 6 files in folder C4/*.pm
22:24 cait bug 14985
22:24 cait hey
22:24 bag hi
22:24 * cait waves back
22:24 dcook Just... morning :)
22:24 dcook Not that I'm bag
22:23 * dcook waves to cait
22:23 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
22:23 cait bag?
22:03 * mveron Should put his glasses
22:03 mveron Great
22:03 * mveron counts: Wow, C4::Dates need sign-off wnet back from 8 to 4. Gerat!
22:02 mveron hi bag :-)
22:02 bag hey mveron
22:02 mveron Hi again #koha
22:02 bag thanks :)
22:02 bag eythian, tcohen - adding new dependency stuff to my notes
21:46 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2evC2xTNWg <-- she built a breakfast serving robot!
21:45 pianohacker eythian++
21:45 huginn pianohacker: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
21:45 pianohacker @eythian++
21:36 cait but being reminded is good :)
21:35 cait i know
21:35 eythian cait: I sent a ranty email covering this a while ago :)
21:35 tcohen not to package it
21:35 tcohen so feel free
21:35 * cait takes notes
21:35 tcohen in this case is a cool thing, that is not mandatory for the release
21:32 eythian which is not cool
21:32 eythian It's not a big deal to package things (though it would be good to have more people knowing how), it's just that if it's at the last moment then it's become a "drop everything and do this for me so we can get it in!" type thing.
21:32 rangi should be the first thing
21:32 rangi but the main thing is, do we really need this bleeding edge module
21:31 tcohen *an*
21:31 rangi (helping might just be sending chocolate, or apologising a lot)
21:31 tcohen yeah, but we need and explicit workflow for that to work
21:31 rangi 08:21 <rangi> i reckon, you want a dependency, yu should commit to help packaging it
21:31 tcohen syn_rcvd
21:31 rangi i was talking to magnuse about this
21:31 tcohen ack
21:30 eythian When they realise that they're adding a new dependency, they need to bring it up then. Not when you're considering it for merge.
21:30 tcohen maybe bag is the one to take notes, i won't probably have to deal with that for a while :-P
21:29 tcohen right?
21:29 tcohen instead of asking for the package
21:29 tcohen so you're saying i should send them there
21:29 eythian it's their fault
21:29 eythian It's not your fault
21:28 eythian Oh, I know
21:28 tcohen I haven't pushed it
21:28 eythian yeah
21:28 tcohen is this about URL::Encode?
21:27 eythian and #6
21:27 eythian tcohen: when you discover near merge time that something has a new dependency, can you send them this link: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Dependencies/Dependency_Guidelines and tell them that they're going to have to wait because of point #5
21:27 cait ah!
21:27 tcohen i can guide you
21:27 tcohen completely reproducible
21:27 tcohen pianohacker: it is
21:25 cait ?
21:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
21:25 pianohacker tcohen: just to verify, is bug 15032 deterministic or no?
21:25 tcohen hi eythian
21:24 eythian hi
21:24 cait hm. maybe the better word is meeting notes :)
21:24 kchris hi andreashm
21:23 * cait is done with making slides for now - but had to write 2 protocols today as well...
21:23 cait heh
21:23 andreashm making slides is more fun than this.
21:23 * andreashm is writing notes from last weeks meetings. ugh.
21:22 andreashm hi pianohacker, cait, kchris, indragPH!
21:21 indradgPH hello
21:19 * kchris waves
21:17 * cait waves
21:17 * pianohacker waves
21:15 * andreashm waves
20:52 tcohen hi rangi
20:52 tcohen hi bag
20:50 bag welcome back internet
20:49 tcohen so the internet is back
20:47 bag I meant documentation - like anything you were reading to set it up
20:40 Traumatan what do you mean with "documentation?"
20:40 Traumatan its like "do this and it works" which it does not
20:40 Traumatan yeah I clicked the first 10 links
20:39 bag Traumatan: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=SIP&go=Go
20:38 wahanui hmmm... sip is enough to make me drink stronger things than wizzyrea's usual beer. Like whiskey.
20:38 bag sip?
20:38 bag hmm what are you using now for documentation?
20:37 Traumatan Hey guys, can anybody point me to a more detailed explanation of the SIP-Server? I am stuck with it not working and not logging as a bonus
20:36 druthb eh, I'm managing. wanna hide.
20:36 bag sorry about everything - wish I could have voted there
20:35 bag how you holding up druthb
20:35 bag hi tcohen
20:31 tcohen hi
20:08 drojf later #koha
20:08 drojf heh
20:08 drojf oh i'm still here
20:05 bag later THE awesome magnuse
20:05 magnuse have fun, #koha!
20:05 magnuse there, all customers upgraded to 3.20.5
19:57 bag yes you should :)
19:55 drojf heh
19:55 magnuse drojf: yes you should ;-)
19:51 drojf and i should go home
19:51 drojf goodness. the only thing more i confirm today is that it is really late
19:48 magnuse drojf: i'd vote for that too
19:47 drojf not sure if i care
19:47 drojf not sure if there is something to be resolved until release or it won't ever work
19:46 drojf the letsencrypt cert did not really work for whatever old internet explorer version my office mate had to test. IE 8 or something
19:46 bag is that the peewee playhouse word of the day pianohacker? kumara
19:45 drojf i'd vote for encryption and redirect http to https out of the box
19:43 pianohacker a "koha-make-my-site-encrypted" thing would be just the most kumara thing ever
19:43 magnuse yup :-)
19:41 drojf magnuse: it sounded to me like wildcard certificates won't be available any time soon. and i did the same thing, did not enter subdomains :/ but it is going to be live soon anyway
19:40 drojf so tired. must. confirm. stuff.
19:30 drojf indeed
19:30 jcamins You used Apache. :P
19:30 jcamins drojf: I figured out the problem.
19:30 drojf alright. i did that too. but wanted to check the apache thing to see if that would work with koha out of the box somehow
19:30 drojf did not work for me in apache. probably a 2.2 problem, others had it too
19:30 rangi and did the config myself
19:30 rangi i just did --certonly
19:30 drojf ok
19:30 rangi nginx
19:29 drojf rangi: did you use it on apache? if so, what version?
19:29 drojf oh you got into the beta too :)
19:29 jcamins magnuse: ah. Yes, it certainly is.
19:29 jcamins I'd expect a bunch of domain validation and maybe generating a couple of certificate requests.
19:29 magnuse jcamins: ah sorry, doing a seminar is more work...
19:28 magnuse nothing happens before i am done with the current stage of the ncip project - which is hopefully tomorrow
19:28 jcamins magnuse: how so?
19:28 jcamins magnuse: no, but it's also not on the letsencrypt.org site anywhere obvious.
19:28 magnuse it *is* more work than you think, though
19:27 magnuse drojf: i think i will
19:27 magnuse jcamins: it's not exactly magic :-)
19:27 * jcamins just found the form.
19:27 jcamins magnuse: ooh, I want to get into the closed beta! How do I do that?
19:26 drojf yes you should
19:25 * magnuse should do another "get to know koha" in oslo soon
19:25 rangi cool
19:25 magnuse ah, awesome
19:25 drojf on the other hand, a lot of people want to attend my little seminar on koha
19:24 magnuse drojf: confirmation of what?
19:24 rangi hmm?
19:24 drojf nobody told me i would have to write a gazillion confirmation emails
19:23 * drojf sighs
19:19 magnuse yeah, sounds like it
19:18 rangi per domain
19:17 rangi altho, its pretty easy to just make ones
19:17 rangi that would be ideal
19:17 magnuse looked like they might perhaps possibly support wildcard certs some time in the future...
19:16 rangi yeah, ditto, but it's enough to test how it works anyway
19:16 magnuse *facepalm*
19:16 magnuse i was not thinking when i entered the beta, so i asked them to add e.g. bibkat.no, not all the *.bibkat.no domains i actually use...
19:14 rangi yeah, can't see why not
19:14 magnuse i hope their config tools will work nicely with the packages...
19:14 magnuse that is my plan too
19:14 magnuse catalyst++
19:13 rangi yeah, we don't offer non https ones anymore
19:13 magnuse encrypt all the things!
19:13 magnuse planning on using it for all my kohas
19:13 rangi works well
19:13 magnuse i got into the closed beta this morning too, not had time to test it yet
19:12 magnuse so i see
19:12 rangi sweet, its a letsencrypt one
19:12 magnuse when i click on it it says "secure connection"
19:12 magnuse rangi: i get a grey lock
19:08 rangi magnuse: https://www.workbuffer.org/presentations/ how does the cert there look to you?
19:04 bag :)
19:03 magnuse bag: get another dog and call it kumara!
19:02 * pianohacker loves potatos
19:02 pianohacker ha! That's wonderful
19:01 bag yes that’s hindi for potato
19:01 pianohacker bag: aloo?
19:00 bag my dog is named after a potato pianohacker
18:56 rangi not much different
18:56 * pianohacker is reminded of boniato
18:56 pianohacker taste much different, out of curiosity?
18:55 rangi :)
18:54 magnuse that would have been at the "nz evening" we had in rotorua - happy times!
18:54 rangi but it's related to the ones you can find in south america
18:54 magnuse ah, cool
18:53 rangi yep, a strain you can only find here
18:53 magnuse i seem to remember someone calling it "our sweet potato", but that might not be significant
18:52 pianohacker I think it's just a sweet potato: rangi?
18:50 magnuse not sure if it indigenous to nz?
18:49 pianohacker google agrees
18:49 magnuse if i recall correctly
18:49 pianohacker okay, I would have deeply approved of Koha being named after a potato
18:48 magnuse a kind of sweet potato
18:48 wahanui kumara is older than oldkoha
18:48 pianohacker kumara?
18:47 rangi koha was C4, then it was kumara, before it was Koha (all pre release)
18:47 rangi morning
18:36 pianohacker not that any of us would be terribly sad to see Z39.50 die, but...
18:34 magnuse two misconceptions i have heard about the upcoming release: 1. the new rest api will replace all other apis, including z39.50, ils-di etc. 2. everything is now working perfectly under plack
17:51 bok where would i be able to get help troubleshooting a report i'm trying to write
17:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add base for building RESTful API
17:48 wahanui i think bug 13799 is ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it
17:48 pianohacker tcohen: bug 13799
17:43 tcohen ?
17:38 pianohacker tcohen++
17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add base for building RESTful API
17:04 wahanui bug 13799 is, like, ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it
17:04 tcohen bug 13799
16:53 ashimema even
16:53 ashimema :)
16:53 ashimema ?
16:52 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:52 tcohen confetti
16:52 tcohen \o/
16:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13799: Add types for patron's fields in Swagger spec <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35ecddec894ad633e26e8802c7c68864e395fca4> / Bug 13799: Rename t/.../v1/borrowers.t to t/.../v1/patrons.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f60f35281252887ee4558b092b5857cca5de2bdf> / Bug 13799: Reword 'borrower' to 'patron' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
16:52 tcohen jcamins: of course
16:50 jcamins Did you bribe people with cookies?
16:50 tcohen btw, how about having the first brick for building a REST api pushed?
16:49 * tcohen wants
16:49 tcohen \o/
16:49 jcamins (coffee + rum + nutmeg + cayenne pepper)
16:49 jcamins drojf: yesterday I made Jamaican oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.
16:49 tcohen heh
16:48 drojf way too little food talk, too
16:47 drojf yes there should be more jcamins around
16:47 drojf ok. but for testing purposes, an actual record should do
16:47 * tcohen now remembers how he misses jcamins around
16:46 tcohen worth exploring
16:46 tcohen passed to zebraidx when doing a full reindex i guess
16:46 tcohen drojf: a generated record
16:45 drojf internally in koha somewhere, or an actual record?
16:45 tcohen due to poor communication
16:45 tcohen and failed
16:45 tcohen i tried to avoid that workaroudn
16:45 tcohen i recall
16:44 jcamins Yeah.
16:44 tcohen a record with all defined facets
16:44 tcohen ah
16:44 jcamins I had suggested having a magic record, I think.
16:43 tcohen i think jcamins had some ideas
16:43 tcohen something like adding a negative id or smth like that
16:42 tcohen i mean, thought about it, but didn't try to implement due to lack of time
16:42 tcohen lack of time and/or lack of imagination
16:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15014: Returns 0 if everything went fine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=314f3e22d969b05ffd0590153707fd0c673987be>
16:41 drojf too complicated or lack of time?
16:40 tcohen we could do that, we could patch index.c, or we could populate all of them with phantom data, but i didn't find a way to do it
16:39 drojf i will
16:39 drojf so it is on us to check beforehand and only use those that are not empty
16:39 tcohen if you have a personal contact with one of them, comment this
16:39 tcohen the answer i got was "yes, there needs to be data on all of them"
16:38 tcohen and it needs to be filled so there are results
16:38 tcohen the whole string is a setspec
16:38 tcohen they basically consider the whole string as a setspec
16:38 drojf but ID did not like the idea? why does it break? is it zebras fault or ours?
16:38 tcohen but didn't have feedback from indexdata about the best way to do it
16:38 tcohen i played with zebra's code so it skips unpopulated setpecs
16:37 tcohen yeah
16:37 drojf ah yes i found it. so basically one would not do the loop and get_facet_from_result_set for each one
16:37 tcohen heh
16:37 tcohen if you have facet_1, .., facet_n populated, of course
16:36 wahanui However, now everything else is broken.
16:36 tcohen jcamins: it works
16:36 tcohen hehe
16:35 drojf hi jcamins :D
16:35 jcamins Kabloom!
16:34 drojf and right now we do that one at the time, but if you get all at once and one is empty, it explodes?
16:32 tcohen zebra::facet::<facet_1>:0,<facet_2>:0...<facet_n>:0
16:31 tcohen drojf: yes
16:30 huginn 04Bug 13665: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow
16:30 drojf tcohen: looking at http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13665#c3 i wonder how i would "ask for a setSpec containing all facets" as you described in the comment? any hints?
16:18 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
16:18 tcohen @later tell gmcharlt there is a new dependency on 11622: URL::Encode, is it possible to build it?
16:18 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
16:18 tcohen @later tell eythian there is a new dependency on 11622: URL::Encode, is it possible to build it?
16:16 Kchris the article I was looking at didn't mention apache2/sites-available/koha.conf
16:16 putti I see
16:15 Kchris No, I was looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install_and_Setup_Koha_to_use_Git_on_a_Development_Server
16:15 putti no problem, glad to help you :)
16:14 putti Kchris, was this the article you looked in the first place or something else ? O.o
16:14 Kchris thanks!
16:13 putti it's under that article
16:13 putti Kchris, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git
16:13 Kchris putti: thanks. is "Configure and Start apache" a page on the Koha wiki?
16:09 putti Kchris, hopefully you will get it running with the instructions provided there :)
16:08 Kchris Putti: No, i haven't looked at that.
16:08 putti Kchris, did you take a look in the wiki page at "Configure and Start Apache" ?
16:06 putti The two files are somehow autogenerated, if I recall correctly.
16:06 putti hmm, I think you should not edit apache-shared-opac.conf and apache-shared-intranet.conf but instead apache2/sites-available/koha.conf
16:05 Kchris putti: the error came after I restarted Apache, and tried to load localhost:8080
16:04 putti Kchris, and where the error came?
16:03 Kchris Putti: I edited the apache-shared-opac.conf, apache-shared-intranet.conf, and the koha-conf.xml files to point to the appropriate git directories and files.
16:02 putti Kchris, this might help you also, but maybe to different problems: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#403_errors_for_Gitified_or_git_clone_installs :)
16:01 putti Kchris, after running what program you get "ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS"?
16:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12933: DBRev 3.21.00.050 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9708ffa1d3929535620c86063ad82e7aa9f22864> / Bug 12933: (QA followup) Add missing notice templates and other small fixes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3efbad2ce953b18091079264a027b4d034dd77b7> / Bug 12933: (QA followup) Rename GetOverdues to GetOverduesForPatron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
15:59 Kchris putti: that's encouraging.
15:59 putti Kchris, which conf files?
15:59 putti Kchirs I'm running my system with those instructions
15:59 Kchris after editing the configuration files, I get "ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS" message
15:57 Kchris does anyone know if the "install and setup koha to use Git on a development Server" instructions are up to date?
15:53 putti cait, alright. maybe :)
15:53 cait putti: sorry, can't check now, and kyle or Joubu might be better to ask
15:47 putti And I'll maybe do some more refactoring but I thought to put just that one first, so the patches would be small!
15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha::object for issuing rules
15:46 putti cait, I added koha::object for issuing rules: bug 15129 :) Does that look alright?
15:40 cbrannon :)
15:40 cait this day feels like monday
15:40 cait hm, maybe you meant 14060
15:39 cait so people see that and know what to do when running the report
15:39 cait we usually just put an input help in the description, like (Start Date, enter YYY-MM-TT truncate with %)
15:38 cait you can open a bug report... but it's tricky
15:38 cbrannon someone needs to fix that.
15:37 cait without the |date koha doesn't know your free input field IS a date... so it won't do the reformatting
15:37 cait so even when the datepicker is shown, ideally you shoudl be able to edit the date manually in the input field
15:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14060 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Remove readonly on date inputs
15:37 cait bug 14060
15:36 cait i think hte problem is that the date picker shoudl also allow you to enter manually
15:36 cbrannon If you use the date picker, you can't manually enter dates. And if you don't use date picker, you HAVE to enter as yyyy-mm-dd (excluding truncating). It just seems if the date picker can get around the formating, we should be able to when we manually enter as well.
15:35 cait not surei am making sense
15:34 cait so it depends a bit on how your report works how you have to enter it
15:33 cait if you use <<date|date>> you can enter according to system preference, if you do something like where date like "2010%" you woud use something like <<date (enter YYYY-MM-TT truncate with %)>>
15:32 cbrannon why can't manual entry be that nice?
15:32 cait when building the sql - if yu look at the sql after running it, you will see it's also 2010...
15:32 cait because it reformats
15:32 cait yeah
15:32 cbrannon it still works though
15:32 cait reports
15:32 cbrannon but when you choose a date from the date picker, it shows in the format of dd/mm/yyyy
15:32 cait they are a bit special currently
15:31 cait and the |date option is broken in some versions
15:31 cait yes, the format in sql is yyyy-mm-dd
15:31 cait ah
15:31 cbrannon I should clarify, this is in reports.
15:31 cbrannon cait: we have ALWAYS been told to enter the date as yyyy-mm-dd.
15:30 * mveron-away is back in about 4-5 hours
15:30 cait if you enter a date manually it should be entered in your selected date format
15:30 cait cbrannon: hm that sound sstrange
15:29 cait xarragon: ^
15:27 putti How did you solve this problem when installing the UUID perl package: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -luuid ?
15:23 * andreashm is back again
15:17 cbrannon Has anyone ever noticed, when you manually enter a date in Koha, you have to enter it year first, but when you use a date picker, the date is last?
15:16 cait which is what i did in the past - haven't tested the new feature yet
15:16 cait [% USE Dumper %] <!--ITEM [% Dumper.dump(item) %] -->
15:16 cait you can also do something like:
15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add ability to dump template toolkit variables to html comment
15:15 cait bug 13948
15:15 cait you can dump them... sec
15:15 cait are congratulations in order?
15:14 * ashimema is now co-maintainer of the Swagger2 lib
15:05 xarragon Soi I can determine what is wrong at a glance?
15:05 xarragon is there an easy way to dump the variables from a C4::template?
14:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14805: Replace generic 'items' with the specific ones <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93d93b36377dea05131307106f1e5a9f226d9487> / Bug 14805: (follow-up) fix a bug in previous code and change msg string <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=67cb605872a89595835829dd0194fd0eaf2cc958> / Bug 14805: QA follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com
14:25 cait i see
14:25 cait yes
14:25 tcohen cait
14:24 tcohen cait: disable encryption
14:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15059: Line break in html attribute in branchoverdues.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e0b35c15db408593b0d1a1a4c381750f8d3bec8> / Bug 15035: Anti-spam for opac-suggestions - FOLLOW-UP <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b31947c3bb6517ecdc7d21440ba79895c270749> / Bug 15061: Can't add item to rotating collection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha
13:56 * tcohen suspected that
13:56 fridolin so i drop the dependancy
13:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14955 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , "Show more" link contains double encoded characters
13:56 fridolin tcohen: indeed,since rebase I have said : In this case, this bug can be tested without bug 14955.
13:53 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:53 tcohen @later tell Joubu please tell me (more or less) when you'll be around
13:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15059 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Passed QA , Line break in html attribute
13:52 tcohen can u check if the dependency for bug 15059 is real? :-D
13:51 fridolin tcohen: yep
13:47 cait puruse?
13:47 nengard k - will puruse
13:47 cait nengard: not yet on the wiki, but the link is in the logs
13:47 tcohen fridolin: are you around?
13:45 nengard is the log for this morning's meeting posted yet?
13:44 wahanui hmmm... mtompset is catching up on his other coding projects.
13:44 tcohen mtompset?
13:44 tcohen who's working on the C4::Dates removal patches?
13:18 cait not it would be good if we found someone who can do plack magic hm.
13:17 cait yeah :)
13:17 mveron Playing cards... :-)
13:17 cait bgkriegel++ mveron++
13:14 drojf indeed
13:14 xarragon We'd all be lost without archive.org
13:10 drojf ha! https://archive.org/details/KohaCon10
13:07 drojf oh it wasn't jo, thats why i did not find it. got that link but the site is broken for me http://blip.tv/the-curious-and-wondering-eye/kohacon10-video-1-rosalie-blake-4367524
13:07 cait bgkriegel++
13:01 cait somewhere deep in the irc logs
13:01 cait hm i think rangi might have explained it too
13:00 drojf there is a kohacon video somewhere with joann ransom of HLT explaining it, i think. but i can't find it
13:00 xarragon mystery*
13:00 xarragon Well it is good to have mysery legends in any project.
12:59 drojf and the old ILS started with C, thats the 4.
12:58 magnuse koha was modelled after an older ils called c2. c4 was going to be twice as good
12:58 wahanui c4 is probably a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
12:58 jcamins c4?
12:58 magnuse i was sure it was there
12:58 magnuse oops, no you don't
12:57 magnuse how hard can it be?
12:57 magnuse how hard can it be is http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638
12:57 magnuse xarragon: you'll find the answer here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638
12:56 magnuse how hard can it be?
12:56 xarragon By the way, is there a reason the old library is called "C4"?
12:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15098 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Itemtype description missing from facets for itypes in a search group
12:43 bgkriegel added a patch for Bug 15098, trello updated
12:42 tcohen hi bgkriegel
12:42 bgkriegel hi tcohen
12:41 tcohen hi
12:26 schnydszch thanks!
12:26 schnydszch yeah the page does not explain
12:26 schnydszch okay now i get it
12:25 jcamins :w means "word index" and :p means "phrase index"
12:25 jcamins That page doesn't explain it. Huh.
12:25 jcamins No, not at all. It determines what kind of index you're creating.
12:25 schnydszch it does not have meaning? like it's subfield p? or some of those?
12:24 schnydszch so it's just a placeholder?
12:23 xarragon gmcharlt: Yeah, that might be intent I guess. It seemed a bit drastic.
12:22 wahanui it has been said that understanding zebra indexing is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing
12:22 jcamins understanding zebra indexing?
12:18 schnydszch hi! i would like to know what's :p and :w at some end of indexes in records.abs and also :w I see Subject:p
12:13 magnuse wow, sounds complicated
12:11 gmcharlt xarragon: yes - I'll be curious to see if that just ends up being a shot across the bow with the end result of ES providing the details on security patches that Debian-security wants
12:09 magnuse gmcharlt: you're welcome ;-)
11:59 xarragon Did you guys see that debian is EOL:ing ElasticSearch in Jessie?
11:49 gmcharlt sleep in, and I find myself packaging manager! ;)
11:38 andreashm Reading back now
11:38 andreashm Funny. I was here, logged into irc, and still managed to miss the meeting. :/
11:35 * drojf feels like bed time too
11:35 drojf good night eythian
11:35 eythian bedtime, later all
11:24 tajoli bye
11:23 * magnuse takes the dog for a walk
11:22 * thd returns to sleeping and not in his chair this time ;)
11:22 * cait is off for lunch then soon :)
11:21 cait gonna be another exciting 6 monhts... but first we need to get out a really solid 3.22 - so please take a look at the trello and test test test
11:21 wnickc community++
11:21 wnickc bye all
11:21 cait community++
11:21 wnickc now off to grab that toddler I hear waking up
11:21 magnuse cait++ community++
11:21 wnickc cait++
11:21 drojf cait++
11:21 cait thx all for attending!
11:21 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015.2015-11-04-10.00.log.html
11:21 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015.2015-11-04-10.00.txt
11:21 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015.2015-11-04-10.00.html
11:21 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 11:21:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
11:21 cait #endmeeting
11:20 cait #agreed Next meeting will be 2 December 2015, 20 UTC
11:20 wnickc sounds good
11:20 drojf and better than 9
11:20 drojf works for me
11:20 cait hm
11:19 cait *coughs*
11:19 cait 2 December 20 UTC?
11:18 cait #topic Next Meeting
11:18 drojf if its not evil in general ;)
11:18 cait #info all done
11:18 drojf if it is an option that brings more than we get without, we shoudl consider it
11:18 cait #topic Actions from General IRC Meeting 9 September 2015
11:17 cait oki to move on?
11:16 eythian dunno
11:16 drojf ok. does it keep as much of your money as flattr?
11:16 cait #idea something like patreon could be looked into
11:16 eythian I use it with a couple of podcasts I like, that sort of thing
11:15 magnuse rangi has a thing there for covering the cost of some server
11:15 eythian drojf: it allows setting up recurring donations to a thing, basically
11:15 magnuse you can donate a monthly amount
11:15 drojf what is patreon?
11:14 eythian if you like
11:14 cait do you want me to add an.. info? is there idea too?
11:14 magnuse could be!
11:14 * eythian wonders if something like patreon is a good idea, though that's not really a discussion for now.
11:13 cait hoping for more news soon
11:13 cait I think it's awesome to see it moving - also that we got soem money already :)
11:12 drojf ok lets skip to the topic we are actually in :)
11:12 cait anything for the fund committee?
11:11 cait #action all - reminder: need to talk about dates for KohaCon bidding (end date for addings bids, when to vote, etc.)
11:11 drojf its early, i'd say after
11:11 cait do we vote after the next kohacon? or before it?
11:10 drojf we should talk about the kohacon voting stuff next meeting
11:10 cait and it hink i'd leave the end date open for now - but we should put a reminder in... maybe to be anounced later
11:10 thd Oh yes.
11:10 magnuse drojf: yeah, just leave it open i guess
11:10 cait so 1+ :)
11:10 cait some people would have preferred ranked voting for 2 as wel
11:10 cait thd: yes, but also for 2 options
11:09 cait was not intentional
11:09 thd ;)
11:09 cait not sure what's with my eyes
11:09 cait argh, sorry, i saw now there were more topics to kohacon...
11:08 cait anonymous_donators++
11:08 drojf magnuse: or we set a date we will always use. if that is an option. have not checked how that was done the last times
11:08 cait #info Update that was passed along to me from Joann at THT on the account standing for the fund. So far 5 people have made donations to the fund using the donate now button on the home page http://koha-community.org The total amount in the fund is $181.28 (USD)
11:08 cait #info The part of the committee that makes recommendations to THT on how to spend money that is raised is being worked on. gmcharlt and BobB are in the process of writing the bylaws (rules) on how that committee portion should work. Of course anything that would need to pass etc, will be brought to the community for a vote. The next committee meeting date has not been set yet.
11:08 cait #info In summary - committee for collecting the money and creating fundraising opportunities seems to have a great start to it.
11:08 drojf magnuse: i think we could leave that open for now, but indicate we are going to do it at some point and announce it early
11:08 cait #info The koha fund committee met recently - notes are found here on the wiki http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising_IRC_meeting_15_October_2015
11:07 cait bag has send me some notes to share with you all
11:07 eythian tajoli: I'm still afraid of it causing breakage to regular workflows right at the moment. It's one of the things I'm looking into finding and fixing at the moment.
11:07 cait #topic Update from the International Koha Fund committee
11:07 cait ok, moving on
11:06 cait tajoli: it doesn't look like it at the moment
11:06 thd Voting methods for counting votes with more than two options?
11:06 magnuse should we decide on when the bidding stops and when the voting happens
11:06 cait #action all to add ideas about 'how to vote and how to count results' for KohaCon bids to the wiki to be voted on
11:06 tajoli Do we release it in 3.22 ?
11:06 tajoli Sorry, about ElastichSearch.
11:06 cait anything else we shold looking into for kohacons?
11:05 thd Next week is after my current programming task :)
11:05 cait #action thd to create a new page for Koha bids 2017 and advertise on the mailing list
11:05 thd The page also needs an empty form.
11:04 cait ah sorry, missed that - thx thd
11:04 eythian yeah, what magnuse said :)
11:04 eythian good thing theres a ...
11:04 magnuse looks like thd volunteered to advertise it :-)
11:04 magnuse that page could be restored and slightly edited i thnk
11:04 drojf *moved
11:04 drojf i also moves the page because it looked like the official page but said itw as only for the philippines proposal ;)
11:04 schnydszch :) cait
11:03 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon17_Proposals
11:03 cait woudl someone volunteer to send a note about the new page to the mailing lists?
11:03 cait it's ok schnydszch - just trying to refine the workflow i think :)
11:03 schnydszch yeah apologies from the Philippines part if that's the case
11:03 cait drojf: agreed
11:03 drojf so the question was if we just do it now/just do it immediately after a vote is over. which would be fine for me
11:03 thd I would be happy to create the page and advertise it next week.
11:02 magnuse we should just remember to send out a reminder about bidding in march or thereabouts
11:02 cait and decide that with some time left :)
11:02 drojf mtompset copied the proposal of the philippines the second the last vote was over. while i am not against that at all, i would prefer asking "officially" for proposals before they come in
11:02 cait but we shoud remember to communicate early about when it will close
11:02 cait no problem there for me either
11:02 magnuse where "opening up for bids" = having a page on the wiki where bidders can add themselves
11:02 schnydszch second the motion you magnuse
11:01 magnuse i see no harm in opening up for kohacon17 bids now
11:01 drojf yes
11:01 thd Alternatives become significant with more than two options to consider.
11:00 drojf i have an event here right before that so i will maybe not be done in time, but i could try
11:00 cait for KohaCon17 the question is about when to open the bids
11:00 cait #info Deciding on the voting mechanism for next KohaCon will be pushed to the next meeting - ideas and notes about mechanisms to vote on shoudl be added to the wiki before the next meeting
11:00 magnuse if someone could describe some alternatives before the next meeting we could have a vote
10:59 drojf background being we had no fixed rules and made them up on the spot
10:59 cait but it hink easier to vote with some optiosn spelled out
10:59 cait agreed
10:59 magnuse true
10:59 drojf yes that would be alright. we just should think about it "now", not when we have the next vote. because then there is no time again
10:59 * mveron has to go...
10:58 tcohen later everyone
10:58 tcohen oops, is late
10:58 cait woudl you be ok pushing this to the next meeting? maybe with a little note about the options?
10:58 schnydszch because I'm representing Phils.
10:58 drojf ah yes
10:58 cait that we shoudl decide on a voting mechanism early on next time
10:58 drojf oh
10:58 cait I think one of the questions is from drojf
10:58 cait yes
10:58 cait drojf: he took care to find the next victim... so i htink we have to let him go :)
10:58 schnydszch KohaCon16 Greece?
10:58 drojf eythian++
10:58 eythian tcohen++
10:57 tcohen dh-make-free
10:57 drojf the way ex-managers of releases and other stuff celebrate once they are done is very encouraging to others :D
10:57 cait is osmeone here from KohaCon16?
10:57 eythian that's what I meant :)
10:57 cait only the elections
10:57 tcohen eythian++
10:57 cait meeting is not over yet...
10:57 drojf lol
10:57 * eythian skips off yelling "I'm free! I'm free!"
10:57 cait #topic KohaCon16 + KohaCon17
10:57 mveron thx cait and thx everybody
10:57 tcohen time to head to the office
10:56 cait hehe
10:56 tcohen ah, no
10:56 tcohen good night everyone
10:56 cait thx everyone!
10:56 cait done :)
10:56 cait #agreed Wiki Curator: Thomas Dukleth. yes (15): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, mveron, HAgud, cait, indradg, tcohen, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, fredericd
10:56 huginn yes (15): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, mveron, HAgud, cait, indradg, tcohen, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, fredericd
10:56 huginn Voted on "Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator?" Results are
10:56 cait #endvote
10:56 cait closing vote in a moment
10:55 HAgud #vote yes
10:55 bgkriegel #vote yes
10:55 drojf #vote yes
10:55 thd #vote yes
10:55 mveron #vote yes
10:55 schnydszch #vote yes
10:55 wnickc #vote yes
10:55 indradg #vote yes
10:55 fredericd #vote yes
10:55 tajoli #vote yes
10:55 jajm #vote yes
10:55 eythian #vote yes
10:55 cait #vote yes
10:55 magnuse #vote yes
10:55 tcohen #vote yes
10:55 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:55 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:55 cait #startvote Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator? (yes,no)
10:55 cait last one everyone :)
10:54 magnuse w00t!
10:54 cait #agreed Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron. yes (12): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, indradg, tcohen, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, schnydszch
10:54 huginn yes (12): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, indradg, tcohen, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, schnydszch
10:54 huginn Voted on "Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron?" Results are
10:54 cait #endvote
10:54 cait ending vote in a moment
10:54 magnuse (for the others)
10:54 magnuse #vote yes
10:53 indradg #vote yes
10:53 drojf (for the others)
10:53 drojf #vote yes
10:53 tajoli in fact in the last hour
10:53 eythian #vote yes
10:53 cait looks like we are going to have a great 3.24 release team :)
10:53 bgkriegel #vote yes
10:53 schnydszch #vote yes
10:53 HAgud #vote yes
10:53 eythian mveron: I added you
10:53 tcohen #vote yes
10:53 thd #vote yes
10:53 wnickc #vote yes
10:53 cait yep :)
10:53 drojf swesome
10:53 drojf oh tajoli sneaked in last minute too :)
10:53 jajm #vote yes
10:53 cait #vote yes
10:53 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:53 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:53 cait #startvote Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron? (yes,no)
10:53 * magnuse can do it
10:52 * mveron can not login to the wiki at the moment
10:51 cait i will add you to my voting thing :)
10:51 cait please add yourself to the wiki
10:51 thd mveron++
10:51 tcohen mveron++
10:51 drojf mveron++
10:51 mveron Ok
10:51 tcohen mveron: you ARE a bug wrangler
10:51 drojf do it now!
10:51 magnuse mveron: if you hurry :-)
10:51 drojf mveron: yes
10:51 drojf lol
10:51 cait hehe
10:51 mveron Question: Can I still join the Bug Wranglers?
10:51 cait #agreed Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi. yes (13): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, indradg, mveron, thd, drojf, tajoli, bgkriegel
10:51 magnuse yay!
10:51 tcohen #info tcohen will duel brendan's guys if there is a conflict
10:50 huginn yes (13): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, indradg, mveron, thd, drojf, tajoli, bgkriegel
10:50 huginn Voted on "Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi?" Results are
10:50 cait #endvote
10:50 drojf i know :)
10:50 cait ending vote in a moment
10:50 magnuse drojf: even if you did, the bot would keep track of it :-)
10:50 tajoli #vote yes
10:49 tcohen drojf: no
10:49 bgkriegel #vote yes
10:49 drojf i'm so tired, did i vote twice now?
10:49 drojf #vote yes
10:49 fredericd #vote yes
10:49 thd #vote yes
10:49 wnickc #vote yes
10:49 jajm #vote yes
10:49 indradg #vote yes
10:49 HAgud #vote yes
10:49 cait #vote yes
10:49 mveron #vote yes
10:49 eythian #vote yes
10:48 magnuse #vote yes
10:48 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:48 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:48 cait #startvote Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi? (yes,no)
10:48 drojf needs answer options
10:48 cait oh sec
10:48 tcohen hm
10:48 indradg magnuse+
10:48 huginn Unable to parse vote topic and options.
10:48 cait #startvote Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi
10:48 cait ok
10:48 magnuse well, if bag is asleep let's just vote and leave the duelling for later
10:48 eythian vservers at dawn
10:48 indradg heh
10:48 magnuse now we're talking
10:48 magnuse yeah!
10:47 cait bug squash duel!
10:47 magnuse "chief jenkins assistant to the rm"
10:47 cait hehe
10:47 drojf otherwise you will challenge each other to a duel and sort it out
10:47 tcohen magnuse: it makes sense
10:47 drojf i suppose the more people volunteer on doing stuff, the better
10:47 magnuse yeah, same for me, i just wanted to point it out
10:47 tcohen bag
10:46 cait my feeling is, that it won't conflict -t here is lots to do
10:46 magnuse yup
10:46 cait might have fallen asleep now
10:46 cait bag? :)
10:46 drojf ah he can explain it better himself :)
10:46 drojf tcohen: i think bag had someone appointed to do jenkins stuff in his proposal, that is probably what magnuse is talking about
10:46 magnuse bag said in his proposal: "Jesse Weaver (Pianohacker) and Kyle Hall - help me with the tech and will be on the QA team. [...] One of them will be responsible as the Jenkins manager since I will need help there."
10:46 eythian drojf: secretly you are being voted for every role
10:45 tcohen 2) go beyond testing: packaging automation and doc generation
10:45 drojf every time i am highlighted after a vote ends i am in fear i volunteered for something being half asleep
10:45 tcohen 1) make it more useful
10:45 tcohen to
10:45 tcohen my idea is taking care of the continous integration infrastructure tp
10:44 magnuse gmcharlt++
10:44 tcohen i'm not sure we'll conflict
10:44 cait #agreed Packaging Manager: Galen Charlton. yes (15): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, schnydszch, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, tajoli, indradg, mveron, cait, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:44 magnuse question about the "Continous integration infrastructure maintainer" role: bag mentioned something about CI in his proposal - will tcohen in this role (potentially) conflict with bag's plans?
10:44 eythian #vote yes
10:44 huginn yes (15): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, schnydszch, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, tajoli, indradg, mveron, cait, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:44 huginn Voted on "Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager?" Results are
10:44 cait #endvote
10:43 eythian #vote yes
10:43 cait closing vote in a moment
10:43 indradg #vote yes
10:43 eythian #vote yes
10:43 tcohen gmcharlt++
10:43 jajm #vote yes
10:43 eythian :)
10:43 schnydszch #vote yes
10:43 tcohen eythian++
10:43 bgkriegel #vote yes
10:43 wnickc #vote yes
10:43 magnuse eythian++
10:43 eythian #vote yes
10:43 eythian just kidding
10:43 cait #vote yes
10:43 eythian #vote no
10:43 HAgud #vote yes
10:43 cait and eythian++ for all the hard work done
10:42 eythian #vote yes
10:42 tajoli #vote yes
10:42 magnuse #vote yes
10:42 drojf #vote yes
10:42 mveron #vote yes
10:42 eythian #vote yes
10:42 thd #vote yes
10:42 fredericd #vote yes
10:42 tcohen #vote yes
10:42 eythian #vote yes
10:42 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:42 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:42 cait #startvote Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager? (yes,no)
10:42 drojf handing back to the old and new qa manager/chair person
10:42 cait I will continue now :)
10:42 cait :)
10:42 drojf #agreed: Quality Assurance (QA) Team: Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart: yes (14): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, cait, HAgud, tajoli, mveron, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:41 huginn yes (14): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, cait, HAgud, tajoli, mveron, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:41 huginn Voted on "Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team?" Results are
10:41 drojf #endvote
10:41 tcohen all your sheeps
10:40 cait #vote yes
10:40 drojf closing vote in a moment
10:40 * cait is very happy about the QA team :)
10:40 eythian heh
10:40 tcohen eythian: at this point i'm shameless
10:40 tajoli #vote yes
10:40 magnuse #vote yes
10:40 thd #vote yes
10:40 eythian tcohen: voting for yourself eh? ;)
10:40 wnickc oops
10:40 fredericd #vote yes
10:40 wnickc zaphod
10:39 schnydszch #vote yes
10:39 HAgud #vote yes
10:39 bgkriegel #vote yes
10:39 wnickc #vote yes
10:39 drojf #vote yes
10:39 tcohen #vote yes
10:39 eythian #vote yes
10:39 jajm #vote yes
10:39 mveron #vote yes
10:39 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:39 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:39 drojf #startvote Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team? (yes,no)
10:38 drojf ok i'll do qa team too, just a sec
10:38 thd #vote yes
10:38 tajoli sorry, dealy. for the record #vote yes
10:37 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:37 drojf i can only do one thing at a time :'(
10:37 mveron cait ++
10:37 cait ;)
10:37 cait *sobs*
10:37 drojf handing back to cait
10:37 tcohen so ou don't support her
10:37 drojf sorry :) for the record #vote yes
10:37 eythian haha
10:36 drojf oh damn i forgot to vote myself
10:36 tcohen cait++
10:36 magnuse cait++
10:36 drojf #agreed: QA Manager: Katrin Fischer yes (10): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, mveron, tcohen, schnydszch, bgkriegel
10:36 huginn yes (10): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, mveron, tcohen, schnydszch, bgkriegel
10:36 huginn Voted on "Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager?" Results are
10:36 drojf #endvote
10:35 schnydszch #vote yes
10:35 drojf closing vote in a minute
10:35 HAgud #vote yes
10:35 magnuse #vote yes
10:35 eythian #vote yes
10:35 tcohen #vote yes
10:35 mveron #vote yes
10:35 fredericd #vote yes
10:35 wnickc #vote yes
10:35 jajm #vote yes
10:35 bgkriegel #vote yes
10:34 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:34 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:34 drojf #startvote Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager? (yes,no)
10:34 schnydszch #vote yes
10:34 cait handing over to drojf
10:34 drojf ok, taking over for cait briefly so she can concentrate on being elected :)
10:34 huginn Current chairs: cait drojf
10:34 cait #chair drojf
10:34 cait #agreed Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard. yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, fredericd, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, cait, mveron, tcohen, bgkriegel
10:34 huginn yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, fredericd, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, cait, mveron, tcohen, bgkriegel
10:34 huginn Voted on "Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager?" Results are
10:34 cait #endvote
10:34 cait closing vote in a moment
10:34 fredericd #vote yes
10:33 magnuse #vote yes
10:33 jajm #vote yes
10:33 HAgud #vote yes
10:33 wnickc #vote yes
10:33 tajoli #vote yes
10:33 mveron #vote yes
10:33 bgkriegel #vote yes
10:33 tcohen #vote yes
10:33 cait #vote yes
10:33 eythian #vote yes
10:33 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:33 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:33 cait #startvote Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager? (yes,no)
10:33 magnuse go cait go :-)
10:33 cait thx to you! :)
10:33 cait I will combine the next too if noone vetoes :)
10:33 bgkriegel thanks to all :)
10:32 eythian but it's bedtime
10:32 cait #agreed Translation Manager: Bernardo González Kriegel. yes (12): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, cait, mveron, schnydszch, drojf, tcohen
10:32 cait more and more people waking up :)
10:32 huginn yes (12): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, cait, mveron, schnydszch, drojf, tcohen
10:32 huginn Voted on "Do you support Bernardo González Kriegel as Translation manager?" Results are
10:32 cait #endvote
10:32 * bag will still stay out of it for now
10:32 bag back ha thanks for the support all
10:32 cait ending vote in a moment
10:31 HAgud #vote yes
10:31 bgkriegel :)
10:31 cait bgkriegel++ :)
10:31 magnuse #vote yes
10:31 wnickc #vote yes
10:31 fredericd #vote yes
10:31 tcohen thanks bgkriegel!
10:31 jajm #vote yes
10:31 eythian #vote yes
10:31 tajoli #vote yes
10:31 tcohen #vote yes
10:31 mveron #vote yes
10:31 drojf #vote yes
10:31 cait #vote yes
10:30 * cait just hopes she typed all the names right
10:30 schnydszch #vote yes
10:30 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:30 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Bernardo González Kriegel as Translation manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:30 cait #startvote Do you support Bernardo González Kriegel as Translation manager? (yes,no)
10:30 cait #agreed Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP. yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, mveron, cait, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:30 schnydszch #vote yes
10:30 huginn yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, mveron, cait, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen
10:30 huginn Voted on "Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP?" Results are
10:30 cait #endvote
10:29 bgkriegel #vote yes
10:29 cait closing vote in a moment
10:29 cait #vote yes
10:29 fredericd #vote yes
10:28 jajm #vote yes
10:28 wnickc #vote yes
10:28 drojf #vote yes
10:28 tajoli #vote yes
10:28 mveron #vote yes
10:28 tcohen #vote yes
10:28 eythian #vote yes
10:28 magnuse #vote yes
10:28 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:28 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:28 cait #startvote Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP? (yes,no)
10:28 cait #agreed Release maintainers: Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18). yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, cait, mveron, tcohen, drojf, schnydszch
10:27 huginn yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, cait, mveron, tcohen, drojf, schnydszch
10:27 huginn Voted on "Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers?" Results are
10:27 cait #endvote
10:27 cait oh and congrats bag of course :)
10:27 cait ending the vote in a moment
10:26 tcohen #vote yes
10:26 jajm #vote yes
10:26 fredericd #vote yes
10:26 magnuse #vote yes
10:26 drojf #vote yes
10:26 mveron #vote yes
10:26 wnickc #vote yes
10:26 tajoli #vote yes
10:26 schnydszch #vote yes
10:26 eythian #vote yes
10:26 cait #vote yes
10:25 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:25 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:25 cait #startvote Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers? (yes,no)
10:25 tcohen [off] yeah, poor bag :-D
10:25 mveron bag++
10:25 drojf bag++
10:25 tcohen bag++
10:25 tcohen congratulations Brendan!
10:25 eythian poor bag ;)
10:25 magnuse congrats bag!
10:25 cait #agreed RM: Brendan Gallagher yes (9): magnuse, cait, eythian, jajm, fredericd, tajoli, tcohen, drojf, mveron (+1 yes after ending the vote)
10:24 schnydszch #vote yes
10:24 cait ah nice, it works this time
10:24 huginn yes (9): magnuse, cait, eythian, jajm, fredericd, tajoli, tcohen, drojf, mveron
10:24 huginn Voted on "Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM?" Results are
10:24 cait #endvote
10:24 fredericd #vote yes
10:24 cait ending the vote in a moment...
10:24 magnuse #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Brendan_Gallagher_3.24_RM_proposal
10:24 cait tcohen: ?
10:23 schnydszch #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines. Sorry it's the monthly meeting. :)
10:23 eythian #vote yes
10:23 drojf magnuse++
10:23 magnuse i moved it
10:23 drojf (just calling the page proposal i mean)
10:23 tcohen cait: so you are signing to chair in six months?
10:23 cait hm works for me
10:23 drojf good proposal, bad link (if that is the correct link)
10:23 cait tcohen: that's good, will use it next time
10:22 drojf #vote yes
10:22 cait #vote yes
10:22 mveron #vote yes
10:22 tcohen #vote yes
10:22 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal
10:22 tajoli #vote yes
10:22 jajm #vote yes
10:22 cait Brendan's proposal can be found here btw
10:22 tcohen do you support…
10:22 magnuse #vote yes
10:22 cait phrasing it as a question is kind of hard
10:22 eythian drojf: nope, passing the torch, found a willing victim :)
10:22 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
10:22 huginn Begin voting on: Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM? Valid vote options are , yes, no, .
10:22 cait #startvote Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM? (yes,no)
10:21 huginn magnuse: Error: There is no command "startvote".
10:21 magnuse @help startvote
10:21 drojf eythian: no more package management for you?
10:21 drojf worth a try
10:21 huginn drojf: Error: There is no command "start vote".
10:21 drojf @help start vote
10:21 * eythian fails to help
10:21 huginn cait: Error: There is no command "startvote".
10:21 cait @help startvote
10:21 eythian #help startvote
10:21 huginn eythian: Error: There is no command "startvote".
10:21 eythian @help startvote
10:21 cait and if someone knows how to see the help page ... :)
10:20 cait hm
10:20 huginn Unable to parse vote topic and options.
10:20 cait #startvote help
10:20 cait now i need to figure out the vote bot again, give me a little moment
10:20 tajoli +1
10:20 cait otherwise, we will work top to bottom
10:20 tcohen +1
10:20 mveron +1
10:19 drojf +1
10:19 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.24
10:19 cait does that work for everyone?
10:19 cait i'd like to do a group vote for the roles with multiple names people under one of the bold headings
10:19 bag friends don’t let friends sleep and push
10:19 cait ok, so we got no questions?
10:19 cait don't sleep and push...
10:19 * bag no vote ;)
10:19 magnuse or sleepvoting
10:19 drojf :D
10:18 cait jinx
10:18 drojf sleepwalking release manager, awesome
10:18 cait sleep walking RM-candidate...
10:18 bag waves from his sleep
10:18 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions
10:18 cait are there questions about the proposals, roles or procedure?
10:17 cait ok, before we start with voting
10:17 cait #topic Elections of the release team for Koha 3.24
10:17 tcohen yeap
10:16 cait Moving on then
10:16 cait something to add here?
10:16 magnuse nigeria_kohacon_organizers++
10:15 cait #link http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/kohacon15/
10:15 tcohen nigeria_kohacon_organizers++
10:15 magnuse http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/kohacon15/
10:15 cait nigeria_kohacon_organizers++
10:15 cait rangi has some summaries and information about it on his blogs - feedback seemed quite positive
10:15 magnuse yay!
10:14 cait It happened! :)
10:14 * magnuse hopes to do an update of the nb-NO web installer files
10:14 cait #topic KohaCon15
10:14 xarragon tcohen: So I found a bug of mine there thanks to you!
10:14 tcohen sure
10:14 cait moving on?
10:14 cait might make sense too - in case you push more changes :)
10:14 xarragon tcohen: AHA, that's whatw as wrong actually.. It is not set as a template variable by the get_template_and_auth, so it was empty, and browser just defaulted to the same document.
10:14 mveron #info Marc Véron, Allschwil, Koha Support Schweiz
10:14 tcohen it can happen after the beta
10:14 tajoli ?
10:13 tajoli do we prefer to transalte them this week or later
10:13 tcohen don't worry about that tajoli
10:13 cait translating the new notices and all that
10:13 tcohen ah
10:13 tcohen tajoli: what about them?
10:13 wahanui web installer files are sql files
10:13 tajoli Yes web installer files
10:13 cait or do you mean the web installer files?
10:12 tajoli All SQL files that have stings to transalte (no MARC)
10:12 cait tajoli: i think a part of those have already been pushed
10:12 cait #info please let us know if something is missing on the Trello board - so it can be added (or add yourself if you have an account)
10:12 tcohen ?
10:12 tajoli This week or later ?
10:12 tcohen there might be missing bugs on that propietary board, though, please add them or speak up
10:11 tajoli About SQL setup (non MARC) translation
10:11 cait questions for further announcements?
10:11 cait #info Please help fix/text open bugs as noted on the (now public) trello board
10:11 cait #info Koha Beta to be relesased by end of week, so features will only be pushed until then
10:10 cait there are also some patches releated to removing the old outdated C4::Dates package, that need testing still http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=14870&hide_resolved=1 for an overview (mouse over to see status)
10:10 tcohen that's all the announcements
10:10 tcohen and pushing enhancements until friday/saturday
10:09 tcohen so I'll be focusing on the plack issues
10:09 indradg thanks tcohen
10:09 eythian :)
10:09 tcohen eythian: next time we'll use taiga
10:08 cait there are also some plack problems in the 'needs QA' queue - i am nto there yet with plack, so help appreciated
10:08 tcohen tajoli: not anymore
10:08 tcohen yeah, specially 15032, which is a bit tricky, and looks like an integration issue, somehow
10:08 eythian also proprietary
10:08 indradg + 1 tajoli
10:08 tajoli thomas, trello is private
10:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , addorder.pl redirect problems under plack behind apache 2.4.10
10:08 cait bug 14743
10:08 tcohen that require people to spend hours debugging them
10:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
10:08 cait bug 15032
10:07 tcohen but there are a couple problems in Plack
10:07 tcohen right now, there aren't big issues (in general)
10:07 xarragon tcohen: Thanks for the help
10:07 xarragon tcohen: Ah, I have not set that preference
10:07 cait #link https://trello.com/b/U2qRMwJO/3-22-blockers
10:07 tcohen so people notice things that need attention
10:07 tcohen that's why we set the trello board
10:06 tcohen so more time to push things
10:06 tcohen the more people, the less time i need to spend on fixing bugs
10:06 tcohen it will depend on how involved people are on fixing bugs
10:06 tcohen Only that by the end of the week we need to have a beta release, so feature freeze is approaching
10:05 xarragon tcohen: Ok, I was using the variable exposed by the get_template_and_foobar() call..
10:05 tcohen ah yes
10:04 tcohen Koha.Preference('OPACBaseUrl')
10:04 cait Any announcements? tcohen?
10:04 cait of your opac... but in a meeting now, maybe ask a little later
10:04 cait xarragon: it should be http(s):// and then the base url or your opac
10:04 xarragon Or how do i form a link to an OPAC page from the staff itnerface?
10:03 cait #topic Announcements
10:03 xarragon Hm, is OPACBaseURL supposed to point to 127.0.1.1:8080?
10:03 cait moving on to the next topic, see agenda above
10:03 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany
10:03 drojf sorry, late :)
10:03 cait drojf: intro please :)
10:02 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA, Italy
10:02 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil, France
10:02 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, CINECA, Italy
10:01 indradg #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Tech, India
10:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
10:01 wnickc #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
10:01 bgkriegel_p #info Bernardo González Kriegel
10:01 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:00 tcohen #info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
10:00 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_4_November_2015
10:00 cait today's agenda is
10:00 cait please introduce yourself with #info, following wahanui's example
10:00 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, Wellington
10:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:00 cait #topic Introductions
10:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015'
10:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 4 10:00:10 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:00 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 4 November 2015
09:59 tajoli Hi all
09:59 cait ok, let's get this started
09:59 cait morning bgkriegel_p :)
09:58 bgkriegel_p Hi all, by phone :)
09:58 tcohen hi tajoli bgkriegel_p
09:57 cait getting full on #koha :)
09:56 * tcohen seeks for the biggest mug to prepare coffee
09:55 cait get ready everyone... 5 mins
09:50 tcohen 6:50
09:49 Amit_Gupta hi tcohen
09:49 Amit_Gupta hi cait
09:49 cait how early is it for you?
09:48 tcohen hi cait
09:48 tcohen *yawn*
09:48 cait morning tcohen :)
09:46 * indradg waves at magnuse
09:46 magnuse hiya indradg
09:43 * magnuse sends bag some instant coffee
09:43 indradg aloha #koha
09:43 magnuse bag: HI
09:42 bag I gave a copy of my notes to cait for the koha fund news - we’ve got some great news :)
09:41 bag magnuse: knuckles dood
09:41 bag sorry all - catch you in channel tomorrow - night night
09:41 bag but I am pooped
09:41 bag alright I was trying to stay awake for the meeting
09:41 magnuse cait: closer to you, i think :-)
09:40 * Viktor waves at andreashm
09:40 cait andreashm: what did i read? you are moving?
09:40 * magnuse waves back
09:39 * andreashm waves
09:36 magnuse drojf++
09:33 drojf gotta run, hope to be there in time. later #koha
09:32 cait drojf++
09:32 drojf email sent
09:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10877 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add "Order Record" processing
09:30 cait bug 10877
09:29 cait Viktor: i have to admit that i had problems testing it - because i didn't quite undertand the use case. but maybe we can clear that up a bit :)
09:28 Viktor cait Thanks no I missed that. Will have to have a look.
09:28 magnuse looks like the meeting is ~0.5 hours away
09:27 drojf got a junk mail from "office office". that must be a sign
09:26 cait great thx
09:26 drojf okwill send an email and run to the office ;)
09:24 cait drojf: i think so, but please double check http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_4_November_2015
09:24 cait it could go in the directin fo your vendor/items dev
09:24 cait Viktor: have you seen kyle's patch for order marc records?
09:24 cait Viktor: i understand cranky, feeling a bit off myself today. lots of those sound really interesting
09:23 drojf that is a skill, right?
09:23 drojf i'm very good at missing meetings lately :(
09:23 drojf cait: oh, meeting? 10 utc?
09:21 magnuse Oak
09:15 Viktor (Also I'm having a bad day - sorry if it sounded unnecessary cranky)
09:14 Viktor Myself I'm frustrated about our overdues patches. I though it was a general improvement that broke nothing and added flexibility but it's one that we burned lots of time and money on.
09:12 Viktor Xarragon is working on finishing up the CMS system and is then going to add listing of "extended patron attributes" to ILS-DI and customize getStatus to make it work with Libris who wants to match on the 001-data
09:11 Francesca probably time I was sleeping, night #koha
09:10 Viktor (Though he's not working on all of those at once and they're not even briefed. But we'll want to make them happen if possible)
09:09 Viktor Connection to central people registration in sweden, payments online through opac, different categories for the same patron (in some use cases), connecting ILL to Libris, expose e-books borrowing in the "My loans" on Opac. And not least getting the items and not only the records into Koha when ordering from our vendors.
09:08 cait drojf: can i recruit you to send a reminder to the mailing list?
09:08 cait in an hour
09:08 cait and remember all... today is election meeting!
09:06 cait what's the prio1? :) *curious*
09:06 cait oh the prio1
09:06 Viktor I'll ask if bumby can have a look while waiting for input on the prio1 we're doing right now.
09:06 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=14870&hide_resolved=1
09:05 cait dependency tree with them all is here, if you mouse over you can see which still need sign-off
09:05 cait the numbers for those are 14998 14985 14969 14965 14960 14954 14946
09:05 wahanui i think huginn is a weather forecaster
09:05 Francesca where is huginn
09:05 cait or one of the C4:::Dates patches would be awesome
09:04 wahanui bug 15112 is nice
09:04 cait bug 15112
09:04 Viktor Which one are we talking about?
09:03 cait he is so nice... he just can't say no, right?
09:03 magnuse ooh, Viktor looks like he might be ready for a signoff or two
09:03 cait Viktor: looking for testing volunteers...
09:03 cait :)
09:03 Francesca just gotta wait for december
09:03 Francesca but i shall do mulitple christmas themes come december
09:02 Francesca not yet
09:02 cait i loved the halloween one
09:02 cait you could make christmas themes maybe - for the dashboard
09:02 cait Francesca: yep - nice :)
09:02 Francesca at least bugzilla looks like koha now
09:02 cait well, it's till there and needs testing!
09:01 magnuse you just said that :-)
09:01 cait bug 14954
09:01 * Francesca wishes there were more webpages to style
09:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14954 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from holiday related files in folder tools
09:01 cait bug 14954
09:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15112 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Make greybox consistent size across label and patron card creator
09:00 cait bug 15112 is also nice
09:00 * magnuse tries to bully himeself into completing the last bit of testing of the ncip code, for now
09:00 cait oh come on.... dates patches
09:00 * drojf hides
09:00 drojf cait: sorry, busy talking about the weather
09:00 magnuse cait++
08:59 * cait tries to recruit
08:59 magnuse not raining right now, though
08:59 cait we still need volunteers testing things for the release
08:59 magnuse nah, was mostly thinking about the temp
08:59 Francesca you're a fan of rain, magnuse?
08:58 drojf oh, it does not even say light :D
08:58 drojf *fan of
08:58 drojf you're a fanof light rain, magnuse? :)
08:56 magnuse nice!
08:56 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
08:56 magnuse @wunder boo
08:53 Francesca don't envy you right now drojf
08:52 Francesca really cold
08:52 Francesca ugh cold
08:52 drojf eeek
08:52 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 0.0°C (9:20 AM CET on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
08:52 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:31 Francesca its meant to be spring here
08:30 Francesca ugggh so cold
08:30 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:30 Francesca @wunder wlg
08:28 Francesca we mustn't forget wahanui
08:28 Francesca lol
08:28 jajm hi Francesca and cait :) (and wahanui too of course)
08:27 wahanui hi jajm :) are you in charge of the biblibre sandboxes now?
08:27 cait hi jajm :)
08:26 Francesca hi jajm
08:26 jajm hello
08:25 Francesca sup
08:25 * cait waves back at Francesca :)
08:25 * Francesca waves at cait
08:20 Francesca heya
07:55 drojf morning #koha
07:46 ClintD could someone please put in my apology for tonights (late) irc meeting pls
07:41 reiveune hello
07:40 wahanui i already had it that way, Aizawl.
07:40 Aizawl my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode
07:40 Aizawl let me rephrase my problem again.
07:40 alex_a bonjour
07:24 Aizawl thanks, magnuse but let me wait here.
07:22 magnuse Aizawl: sorry, i don't know anything about the barcodes. hopefully someone else does. if you do not get a reply here, you might consider sending your question to the email list, you will reach more people that way
07:22 wahanui i already had it that way, Aizawl.
07:22 Aizawl my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode
07:12 Aizawl my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode
07:10 magnuse Aizawl: just state your problem and if anyone can help they will reply
07:06 Aizawl hello, i need some help
07:04 Aizawl hello, anybody
07:02 magnuse yup
06:59 ashimema in all levels.. signoff -> qa -> mm -> rm are all lacking time :(
06:58 ashimema at the moment the community as a whole is a bit 'man hour starved'
06:58 ashimema indeed
06:56 magnuse we need more people to sign off too, though...
06:55 magnuse there http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Brendan_Gallagher_3.24_RM_proposal
06:55 ashimema I hope I'll have more time for Koha again soon.. but soon is still likely another 2 months away :(
06:54 ashimema bag++
06:54 ashimema all good having a solid release team but he bugs need to get to them ;)
06:54 ashimema but he's right.. really needs a good QA team to back it up..
06:53 ashimema sounds like a pretty good proposal
06:50 ashimema I was thinking similar
06:50 ashimema sounds sensible to me ;)
06:50 magnuse have fun dcook
06:50 magnuse "Brendan Gallagher 3.24 RM proposal" sound ok?
06:50 dcook Ciao!
06:50 dcook Ok, actually going now
06:49 magnuse i am tempted to move that to a slightly more meaningful page name...
06:48 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal
06:48 magnuse yup
06:48 ashimema is this on the wiki somewhere magnuse?
06:46 dcook Yeah, I was just reading that
06:46 magnuse bag says " We really need a strong QA group - ideally it should be 6~7 people - so we need more of you to volunteer here - no matter what - even if you only QA one thing a week - it helps us all) "
06:44 ashimema I'd back you.. even if you could just done a couple a month that would be better than i've managed recently
06:44 dcook Considering I haven't been testing either... I suppose that's a sign
06:44 ashimema but you'd be more than welcome on the team to pass them too ;)
06:44 dcook That's true...hehe
06:43 ashimema dcook.. anyone can 'Fail QA' ;)
06:43 * dcook really really needs to go home
06:43 dcook Even if I rarely ever have time for it
06:43 dcook I wish I could do QA... half tempted to do it
06:42 dcook Ahh interesting
06:40 dcook ?
06:40 magnuse ooh, team bywater for rm, interesting :-)
06:39 magnuse :-)
06:29 dcook :p
06:29 dcook Or...
06:29 dcook Or fix up my Ansible playbooks
06:29 dcook But really tempted to keep plodding away on my fledgling Android app
06:28 dcook Well, maybe I should finish the chores...
06:28 dcook I think I might even have some time to play today...
06:28 dcook I really need to go home ;)
06:27 magnuse anyway, dcook you can go home now ;-)
06:27 magnuse well, there isn't too much normal around here
06:26 magnuse i am? nah, pretty normal i think
06:25 dcook you're late :p
06:25 * dcook waves to magnuse
06:21 * magnuse waves
03:08 dcook :(
03:06 wizzyrea :(
03:01 cdickinson so yeah, kind of over today
03:01 cdickinson despite the rain, the parking wardens are ruthless
03:01 cdickinson running late for a presentation today, grabbed a 180 minute park at the university and was still in there more than 180 minutes later
03:00 cdickinson I got a $65 parking ticket today
02:59 dcook looooong day
02:47 cdickinson it's been a long day
02:47 cdickinson may not be configured properly*
02:47 cdickinson if routes aren't being broadcast properly, some router on the path isn't connected properly... or something may just be confused, that happens sometimes, especially if configuration changes
02:44 dcook Or maybe I can track down who is in charge of the network...
02:44 dcook I can do things in reverse though, so maybe that will be good enough
02:44 dcook It can't even get to that other machine :/
02:40 wizzyrea that's probably a completely daft suggestion.
02:39 wizzyrea can you use a different port than 22 for escaping? something they might always let out like 80?
02:31 dcook Which may or may not be accurate
02:31 dcook I think I might have a network diagram at home..
02:31 dcook I was hoping there might be some tips and tricks for doing it without needing to visit the real world
02:31 dcook Yeah, that's my thought
02:27 cdickinson get to know more about how the layout works, then it should be easier to debug
02:23 dcook I think I'll have to abandon my hope for now
02:23 dcook I'm guessing that it's a NAT somewhere, as you said
02:19 dcook There's a HTTP proxy at some point as well
02:19 eythian yeah, that's not going to be fun
02:18 dcook Fwiw, I think there are at least 2 different NATs somewhere
02:18 dcook Machine A doesn't look like RFC1918 space
02:18 Francesca ah
02:17 eythian Francesca: private adressing that isn't routable on the internet
02:17 eythian you need to know that
02:17 dcook Machine A... I don't know what space it's in.
02:17 Francesca what is RFC1918 space
02:17 dcook Machine A can get into it
02:17 dcook Machine B is in RFC1918 space
02:17 eythian but you usually can go the other way
02:16 eythian well you can't go from the internet into RFC1918 space
02:16 dcook Maybe that means something different than I think it means
02:16 dcook Wait..
02:16 dcook For Machine B, yes
02:16 eythian are you in RFC1918 space?
02:15 dcook There's probably also that, yes
02:15 eythian as in, there's something in your system that you haven't mentioned here that makes it make sense.
02:15 dcook That's my thought, and I don't think I know anyone who knows that missing information
02:14 eythian this doesn't fit with how things should be working. There must be missing information somewhere.
02:14 dcook According to route -n, my gateway is .1
02:13 dcook Yeah, it's not there :/
02:13 eythian 'route -n' tells you your routing table
02:13 eythian you may have a broken routing table then
02:13 dcook ^
02:13 eythian ‽
02:13 dcook When I traceroute from Machine A to Machine B, it doesn't come up either
02:12 dcook It's no machine I know about
02:12 dcook Nopes
02:12 eythian is .2 your local machine?
02:12 dcook N!
02:12 dcook So my first hop is XX.XX.XXX.2 and it stops there
02:11 dcook Thanks cdickinson
02:11 dcook Mmm thought I'd seen that somewhere
02:11 cdickinson dcook: traceroute -n to disable reverse lookups
02:11 dcook No idea what XX.XX.XXX.2 is..
02:11 dcook It's failing on XX.XX.XXX.2
02:11 dcook my gateeway is XX.XX.XXX.1
02:10 dcook That lookup isn't on my gateway
02:10 dcook Oh wait...
02:10 eythian subnet?
02:10 dcook Same network segment?
02:10 dcook Which are on the same <insert networking term I can't remember>
02:10 dcook It does seem to be doing a DNS lookup for the other machines..
02:10 cdickinson wahanui is crashing
02:10 Francesca and came back again but still
02:10 Francesca woah wahanui just did a vanishing act
02:10 dcook Ahh..
02:09 wahanui google.com is 74.125.227.164
02:09 eythian dns google.com
02:09 dcook I can use traceroute for other machines and it works though
02:09 cdickinson usually you can turn that off
02:09 cdickinson depending on the implementation, traceroute tries a reverse lookup, I think
02:08 cdickinson is it doing a reverse lookup?
02:08 dcook That's what Google is saying, but I'm just using ip addresses
02:08 cdickinson wow, I just killed wahanui
02:08 wahanui I can't find that machine name
02:08 cdickinson DNS problem?
02:07 dcook But it says it's unable to lookup my gateway and Temporary failure in name resolution
02:07 cdickinson yep
02:07 dcook I try to traceroute Machine A
02:05 dcook Although not always sure what to look for
02:05 dcook Yeah, I've been trying traceroute on both ends
02:05 cdickinson it'll tell you what hop the traffic is having problems at
02:04 cdickinson eythian has the right idea
02:04 eythian dcook: trace(route|path) or mtr may be more helpful
02:04 cdickinson okay
02:03 * cdickinson looks at the logs
02:03 dcook I think I'm doomed, but I figure I'd better exhaust my possibilities
02:02 dcook Indeed!
02:02 dcook haha
02:02 cdickinson I heard someone needs networking help
02:02 dcook I suppose it's my gateway saying they're filtered though, so i'm guessing my gateway is blocking it?
02:01 dcook Not sure what that means though
02:00 dcook Hmm, so I can ping Machine A but the packets get filtered
02:00 dcook Yeah, that's what I was thinking
02:00 dcook I think there are a few NATs out there
02:00 eythian no route is a router somewhere saying "I don't know how to get packets there"
02:00 dcook Right, that would be it
02:00 eythian that's timeout
01:59 dcook Yeah, I would think you'd get at least a refused if it were the firewall, although maybe not for dropped packets..
01:59 eythian or possibly a firewall, but I wouldn't expect the no route error in that case.
01:58 dcook That's what I'm thinking
01:58 eythian most likely, there's a NATting gateway or something that only allows one-way traffic.
01:58 dcook I'm not sure :/
01:58 eythian what is between the machines?
01:56 dcook I suppose that is rather outside the scope of koha... :p
01:56 dcook I know I've heard of this before where Machine A and Machine B can both Network Segment B, but only Machine A can access Network Segment A... unless you add a route, I think
01:55 dcook I figure it's either Machine A's firewall or the router?
01:54 dcook "ssh: connect to host XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX port 22: No route to host"
01:54 dcook But Machine B can't ssh into Machine A
01:54 dcook So I ssh into Machine A, then ssh into Machine B
01:54 dcook I can ssh from one machine to another, but I can't do the same going backwards
01:54 dcook Anyone have networking tips?
01:53 dcook Looks like it wasn't a huge increase for print
01:53 dcook This is old now: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/hardcopy-books-back-on-the-rise-as-ebook-and-ereader-sales-stagnate-20150118-12qmf4.html
01:53 wizzyrea as well as observing bus habits of people
01:53 wizzyrea ^ I read this recently
01:52 dcook I think print sales are rising as ebook sales are falling though
01:52 wizzyrea (I mean obviously)
01:52 wizzyrea I can't say for sure how many are reading ebooks though
01:52 wizzyrea online reading
01:52 wizzyrea a lot definitely are doing things online
01:52 eythian wizzyrea: many people are probably just using phones though
01:47 Francesca or travel which has limits on how many books I can bring
01:47 Francesca useful for international travel
01:47 Francesca i have a sony e-reader
01:46 wizzyrea which is actually different from a couple of years ago
01:46 wizzyrea or other ereaders.
01:46 wizzyrea nah, I think people are actually giving up on ebooks. I see a lot more paper books on the bus than kindles.
01:39 Francesca paper books are not yet dead
01:38 wizzyrea oh my
01:36 Francesca http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/73678321/amazon-opening-a-brickandmortar-bookstore
01:29 eythian http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Special-Delivery <-- a classic
01:12 * dcook is actually working on fixing all the things and recovering data...
01:12 dcook Break all the things!
01:00 wizzyrea also that doesn't take multiple addresses. grumpymaking.
00:59 wizzyrea I wonder when setting the subject on runreport.pl was broken.