Time Nick Message 00:59 wizzyrea I wonder when setting the subject on runreport.pl was broken. 01:00 wizzyrea also that doesn't take multiple addresses. grumpymaking. 01:12 dcook Break all the things! 01:12 * dcook is actually working on fixing all the things and recovering data... 01:29 eythian http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Special-Delivery <-- a classic 01:36 Francesca http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/73678321/amazon-opening-a-brickandmortar-bookstore 01:38 wizzyrea oh my 01:39 Francesca paper books are not yet dead 01:46 wizzyrea nah, I think people are actually giving up on ebooks. I see a lot more paper books on the bus than kindles. 01:46 wizzyrea or other ereaders. 01:46 wizzyrea which is actually different from a couple of years ago 01:47 Francesca i have a sony e-reader 01:47 Francesca useful for international travel 01:47 Francesca or travel which has limits on how many books I can bring 01:52 eythian wizzyrea: many people are probably just using phones though 01:52 wizzyrea a lot definitely are doing things online 01:52 wizzyrea online reading 01:52 wizzyrea I can't say for sure how many are reading ebooks though 01:52 wizzyrea (I mean obviously) 01:52 dcook I think print sales are rising as ebook sales are falling though 01:53 wizzyrea ^ I read this recently 01:53 wizzyrea as well as observing bus habits of people 01:53 dcook This is old now: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/hardcopy-books-back-on-the-rise-as-ebook-and-ereader-sales-stagnate-20150118-12qmf4.html 01:53 dcook Looks like it wasn't a huge increase for print 01:54 dcook Anyone have networking tips? 01:54 dcook I can ssh from one machine to another, but I can't do the same going backwards 01:54 dcook So I ssh into Machine A, then ssh into Machine B 01:54 dcook But Machine B can't ssh into Machine A 01:54 dcook "ssh: connect to host XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX port 22: No route to host" 01:55 dcook I figure it's either Machine A's firewall or the router? 01:56 dcook I know I've heard of this before where Machine A and Machine B can both Network Segment B, but only Machine A can access Network Segment A... unless you add a route, I think 01:56 dcook I suppose that is rather outside the scope of koha... :p 01:58 eythian what is between the machines? 01:58 dcook I'm not sure :/ 01:58 eythian most likely, there's a NATting gateway or something that only allows one-way traffic. 01:58 dcook That's what I'm thinking 01:59 eythian or possibly a firewall, but I wouldn't expect the no route error in that case. 01:59 dcook Yeah, I would think you'd get at least a refused if it were the firewall, although maybe not for dropped packets.. 02:00 eythian that's timeout 02:00 dcook Right, that would be it 02:00 eythian no route is a router somewhere saying "I don't know how to get packets there" 02:00 dcook I think there are a few NATs out there 02:00 dcook Yeah, that's what I was thinking 02:00 dcook Hmm, so I can ping Machine A but the packets get filtered 02:01 dcook Not sure what that means though 02:02 dcook I suppose it's my gateway saying they're filtered though, so i'm guessing my gateway is blocking it? 02:02 cdickinson I heard someone needs networking help 02:02 dcook haha 02:02 dcook Indeed! 02:03 dcook I think I'm doomed, but I figure I'd better exhaust my possibilities 02:03 * cdickinson looks at the logs 02:04 cdickinson okay 02:04 eythian dcook: trace(route|path) or mtr may be more helpful 02:04 cdickinson eythian has the right idea 02:05 cdickinson it'll tell you what hop the traffic is having problems at 02:05 dcook Yeah, I've been trying traceroute on both ends 02:05 dcook Although not always sure what to look for 02:07 dcook I try to traceroute Machine A 02:07 cdickinson yep 02:07 dcook But it says it's unable to lookup my gateway and Temporary failure in name resolution 02:08 cdickinson DNS problem? 02:08 wahanui I can't find that machine name 02:08 cdickinson wow, I just killed wahanui 02:08 dcook That's what Google is saying, but I'm just using ip addresses 02:08 cdickinson is it doing a reverse lookup? 02:09 cdickinson depending on the implementation, traceroute tries a reverse lookup, I think 02:09 cdickinson usually you can turn that off 02:09 dcook I can use traceroute for other machines and it works though 02:09 eythian dns google.com 02:09 wahanui google.com is 74.125.227.164 02:10 dcook Ahh.. 02:10 Francesca woah wahanui just did a vanishing act 02:10 Francesca and came back again but still 02:10 cdickinson wahanui is crashing 02:10 dcook It does seem to be doing a DNS lookup for the other machines.. 02:10 dcook Which are on the same <insert networking term I can't remember> 02:10 dcook Same network segment? 02:10 eythian subnet? 02:10 dcook Oh wait... 02:10 dcook That lookup isn't on my gateway 02:11 dcook my gateeway is XX.XX.XXX.1 02:11 dcook It's failing on XX.XX.XXX.2 02:11 dcook No idea what XX.XX.XXX.2 is.. 02:11 cdickinson dcook: traceroute -n to disable reverse lookups 02:11 dcook Mmm thought I'd seen that somewhere 02:11 dcook Thanks cdickinson 02:12 dcook So my first hop is XX.XX.XXX.2 and it stops there 02:12 dcook N! 02:12 eythian is .2 your local machine? 02:12 dcook Nopes 02:12 dcook It's no machine I know about 02:13 dcook When I traceroute from Machine A to Machine B, it doesn't come up either 02:13 eythian ‽ 02:13 dcook ^ 02:13 eythian you may have a broken routing table then 02:13 eythian 'route -n' tells you your routing table 02:13 dcook Yeah, it's not there :/ 02:14 dcook According to route -n, my gateway is .1 02:14 eythian this doesn't fit with how things should be working. There must be missing information somewhere. 02:15 dcook That's my thought, and I don't think I know anyone who knows that missing information 02:15 eythian as in, there's something in your system that you haven't mentioned here that makes it make sense. 02:15 dcook There's probably also that, yes 02:16 eythian are you in RFC1918 space? 02:16 dcook For Machine B, yes 02:16 dcook Wait.. 02:16 dcook Maybe that means something different than I think it means 02:16 eythian well you can't go from the internet into RFC1918 space 02:17 eythian but you usually can go the other way 02:17 dcook Machine B is in RFC1918 space 02:17 dcook Machine A can get into it 02:17 Francesca what is RFC1918 space 02:17 dcook Machine A... I don't know what space it's in. 02:17 eythian you need to know that 02:17 eythian Francesca: private adressing that isn't routable on the internet 02:18 Francesca ah 02:18 dcook Machine A doesn't look like RFC1918 space 02:18 dcook Fwiw, I think there are at least 2 different NATs somewhere 02:19 eythian yeah, that's not going to be fun 02:19 dcook There's a HTTP proxy at some point as well 02:23 dcook I'm guessing that it's a NAT somewhere, as you said 02:23 dcook I think I'll have to abandon my hope for now 02:27 cdickinson get to know more about how the layout works, then it should be easier to debug 02:31 dcook Yeah, that's my thought 02:31 dcook I was hoping there might be some tips and tricks for doing it without needing to visit the real world 02:31 dcook I think I might have a network diagram at home.. 02:31 dcook Which may or may not be accurate 02:39 wizzyrea can you use a different port than 22 for escaping? something they might always let out like 80? 02:40 wizzyrea that's probably a completely daft suggestion. 02:44 dcook It can't even get to that other machine :/ 02:44 dcook I can do things in reverse though, so maybe that will be good enough 02:44 dcook Or maybe I can track down who is in charge of the network... 02:47 cdickinson if routes aren't being broadcast properly, some router on the path isn't connected properly... or something may just be confused, that happens sometimes, especially if configuration changes 02:47 cdickinson may not be configured properly* 02:47 cdickinson it's been a long day 02:59 dcook looooong day 03:00 cdickinson I got a $65 parking ticket today 03:01 cdickinson running late for a presentation today, grabbed a 180 minute park at the university and was still in there more than 180 minutes later 03:01 cdickinson despite the rain, the parking wardens are ruthless 03:01 cdickinson so yeah, kind of over today 03:06 wizzyrea :( 03:08 dcook :( 06:21 * magnuse waves 06:25 * dcook waves to magnuse 06:25 dcook you're late :p 06:26 magnuse i am? nah, pretty normal i think 06:27 magnuse well, there isn't too much normal around here 06:27 magnuse anyway, dcook you can go home now ;-) 06:28 dcook I really need to go home ;) 06:28 dcook I think I might even have some time to play today... 06:28 dcook Well, maybe I should finish the chores... 06:29 dcook But really tempted to keep plodding away on my fledgling Android app 06:29 dcook Or fix up my Ansible playbooks 06:29 dcook Or... 06:29 dcook :p 06:39 magnuse :-) 06:40 magnuse ooh, team bywater for rm, interesting :-) 06:40 dcook ? 06:42 dcook Ahh interesting 06:43 dcook I wish I could do QA... half tempted to do it 06:43 dcook Even if I rarely ever have time for it 06:43 * dcook really really needs to go home 06:43 ashimema dcook.. anyone can 'Fail QA' ;) 06:44 dcook That's true...hehe 06:44 ashimema but you'd be more than welcome on the team to pass them too ;) 06:44 dcook Considering I haven't been testing either... I suppose that's a sign 06:44 ashimema I'd back you.. even if you could just done a couple a month that would be better than i've managed recently 06:46 magnuse bag says " We really need a strong QA group - ideally it should be 6~7 people - so we need more of you to volunteer here - no matter what - even if you only QA one thing a week - it helps us all) " 06:46 dcook Yeah, I was just reading that 06:48 ashimema is this on the wiki somewhere magnuse? 06:48 magnuse yup 06:48 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal 06:49 magnuse i am tempted to move that to a slightly more meaningful page name... 06:50 dcook Ok, actually going now 06:50 dcook Ciao! 06:50 magnuse "Brendan Gallagher 3.24 RM proposal" sound ok? 06:50 magnuse have fun dcook 06:50 ashimema sounds sensible to me ;) 06:50 ashimema I was thinking similar 06:53 ashimema sounds like a pretty good proposal 06:54 ashimema but he's right.. really needs a good QA team to back it up.. 06:54 ashimema all good having a solid release team but he bugs need to get to them ;) 06:54 ashimema bag++ 06:55 ashimema I hope I'll have more time for Koha again soon.. but soon is still likely another 2 months away :( 06:55 magnuse there http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Brendan_Gallagher_3.24_RM_proposal 06:56 magnuse we need more people to sign off too, though... 06:58 ashimema indeed 06:58 ashimema at the moment the community as a whole is a bit 'man hour starved' 06:59 ashimema in all levels.. signoff -> qa -> mm -> rm are all lacking time :( 07:02 magnuse yup 07:04 Aizawl hello, anybody 07:06 Aizawl hello, i need some help 07:10 magnuse Aizawl: just state your problem and if anyone can help they will reply 07:12 Aizawl my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode 07:22 Aizawl my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode 07:22 wahanui i already had it that way, Aizawl. 07:22 magnuse Aizawl: sorry, i don't know anything about the barcodes. hopefully someone else does. if you do not get a reply here, you might consider sending your question to the email list, you will reach more people that way 07:24 Aizawl thanks, magnuse but let me wait here. 07:40 alex_a bonjour 07:40 Aizawl let me rephrase my problem again. 07:40 Aizawl my problem is : I can print the barcode using the Label Creator, but my problem is I want to put some text above the barcode 07:40 wahanui i already had it that way, Aizawl. 07:41 reiveune hello 07:46 ClintD could someone please put in my apology for tonights (late) irc meeting pls 07:55 drojf morning #koha 08:20 Francesca heya 08:25 * Francesca waves at cait 08:25 * cait waves back at Francesca :) 08:25 Francesca sup 08:26 jajm hello 08:26 Francesca hi jajm 08:27 cait hi jajm :) 08:27 wahanui hi jajm :) are you in charge of the biblibre sandboxes now? 08:28 jajm hi Francesca and cait :) (and wahanui too of course) 08:28 Francesca lol 08:28 Francesca we mustn't forget wahanui 08:30 Francesca @wunder wlg 08:30 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 08:30 Francesca ugggh so cold 08:31 Francesca its meant to be spring here 08:52 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:52 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 0.0°C (9:20 AM CET on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 08:52 drojf eeek 08:52 Francesca ugh cold 08:52 Francesca really cold 08:53 Francesca don't envy you right now drojf 08:56 magnuse @wunder boo 08:56 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 04, 2015). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 08:56 magnuse nice! 08:58 drojf you're a fanof light rain, magnuse? :) 08:58 drojf *fan of 08:58 drojf oh, it does not even say light :D 08:59 Francesca you're a fan of rain, magnuse? 08:59 magnuse nah, was mostly thinking about the temp 08:59 cait we still need volunteers testing things for the release 08:59 magnuse not raining right now, though 08:59 * cait tries to recruit 09:00 magnuse cait++ 09:00 drojf cait: sorry, busy talking about the weather 09:00 * drojf hides 09:00 cait oh come on.... dates patches 09:00 * magnuse tries to bully himeself into completing the last bit of testing of the ncip code, for now 09:00 cait bug 15112 is also nice 09:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15112 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Make greybox consistent size across label and patron card creator 09:01 cait bug 14954 09:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14954 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from holiday related files in folder tools 09:01 * Francesca wishes there were more webpages to style 09:01 cait bug 14954 09:01 magnuse you just said that :-) 09:02 cait well, it's till there and needs testing! 09:02 Francesca at least bugzilla looks like koha now 09:02 cait Francesca: yep - nice :) 09:02 cait you could make christmas themes maybe - for the dashboard 09:02 cait i loved the halloween one 09:02 Francesca not yet 09:03 Francesca but i shall do mulitple christmas themes come december 09:03 Francesca just gotta wait for december 09:03 cait :) 09:03 cait Viktor: looking for testing volunteers... 09:03 magnuse ooh, Viktor looks like he might be ready for a signoff or two 09:03 cait he is so nice... he just can't say no, right? 09:04 Viktor Which one are we talking about? 09:04 cait bug 15112 09:04 wahanui bug 15112 is nice 09:05 cait or one of the C4:::Dates patches would be awesome 09:05 Francesca where is huginn 09:05 wahanui i think huginn is a weather forecaster 09:05 cait the numbers for those are 14998 14985 14969 14965 14960 14954 14946 09:05 cait dependency tree with them all is here, if you mouse over you can see which still need sign-off 09:06 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=14870&hide_resolved=1 09:06 Viktor I'll ask if bumby can have a look while waiting for input on the prio1 we're doing right now. 09:06 cait oh the prio1 09:06 cait what's the prio1? :) *curious* 09:08 cait and remember all... today is election meeting! 09:08 cait in an hour 09:08 cait drojf: can i recruit you to send a reminder to the mailing list? 09:09 Viktor Connection to central people registration in sweden, payments online through opac, different categories for the same patron (in some use cases), connecting ILL to Libris, expose e-books borrowing in the "My loans" on Opac. And not least getting the items and not only the records into Koha when ordering from our vendors. 09:10 Viktor (Though he's not working on all of those at once and they're not even briefed. But we'll want to make them happen if possible) 09:11 Francesca probably time I was sleeping, night #koha 09:12 Viktor Xarragon is working on finishing up the CMS system and is then going to add listing of "extended patron attributes" to ILS-DI and customize getStatus to make it work with Libris who wants to match on the 001-data 09:14 Viktor Myself I'm frustrated about our overdues patches. I though it was a general improvement that broke nothing and added flexibility but it's one that we burned lots of time and money on. 09:15 Viktor (Also I'm having a bad day - sorry if it sounded unnecessary cranky) 09:21 magnuse Oak 09:23 drojf cait: oh, meeting? 10 utc? 09:23 drojf i'm very good at missing meetings lately :( 09:23 drojf that is a skill, right? 09:24 cait Viktor: i understand cranky, feeling a bit off myself today. lots of those sound really interesting 09:24 cait Viktor: have you seen kyle's patch for order marc records? 09:24 cait it could go in the directin fo your vendor/items dev 09:24 cait drojf: i think so, but please double check http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_4_November_2015 09:26 drojf okwill send an email and run to the office ;) 09:26 cait great thx 09:27 drojf got a junk mail from "office office". that must be a sign 09:28 magnuse looks like the meeting is ~0.5 hours away 09:28 Viktor cait Thanks no I missed that. Will have to have a look. 09:29 cait Viktor: i have to admit that i had problems testing it - because i didn't quite undertand the use case. but maybe we can clear that up a bit :) 09:30 cait bug 10877 09:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10877 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add "Order Record" processing 09:32 drojf email sent 09:32 cait drojf++ 09:33 drojf gotta run, hope to be there in time. later #koha 09:36 magnuse drojf++ 09:39 * andreashm waves 09:40 * magnuse waves back 09:40 cait andreashm: what did i read? you are moving? 09:40 * Viktor waves at andreashm 09:41 magnuse cait: closer to you, i think :-) 09:41 bag alright I was trying to stay awake for the meeting 09:41 bag but I am pooped 09:41 bag sorry all - catch you in channel tomorrow - night night 09:41 bag magnuse: knuckles dood 09:42 bag I gave a copy of my notes to cait for the koha fund news - we’ve got some great news :) 09:43 magnuse bag: HI 09:43 indradg aloha #koha 09:43 * magnuse sends bag some instant coffee 09:46 magnuse hiya indradg 09:46 * indradg waves at magnuse 09:48 cait morning tcohen :) 09:48 tcohen *yawn* 09:48 tcohen hi cait 09:49 cait how early is it for you? 09:49 Amit_Gupta hi cait 09:49 Amit_Gupta hi tcohen 09:50 tcohen 6:50 09:55 cait get ready everyone... 5 mins 09:56 * tcohen seeks for the biggest mug to prepare coffee 09:57 cait getting full on #koha :) 09:58 tcohen hi tajoli bgkriegel_p 09:58 bgkriegel_p Hi all, by phone :) 09:59 cait morning bgkriegel_p :) 09:59 cait ok, let's get this started 09:59 tajoli Hi all 10:00 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 4 November 2015 10:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 4 10:00:10 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 10:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015' 10:00 cait #topic Introductions 10:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 10:00 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, Wellington 10:00 cait please introduce yourself with #info, following wahanui's example 10:00 cait today's agenda is 10:00 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_4_November_2015 10:00 tcohen #info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 10:01 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:01 bgkriegel_p #info Bernardo González Kriegel 10:01 wnickc #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 10:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 10:01 indradg #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Tech, India 10:02 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, CINECA, Italy 10:02 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil, France 10:02 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA, Italy 10:03 cait drojf: intro please :) 10:03 drojf sorry, late :) 10:03 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 10:03 cait moving on to the next topic, see agenda above 10:03 xarragon Hm, is OPACBaseURL supposed to point to 127.0.1.1:8080? 10:03 cait #topic Announcements 10:04 xarragon Or how do i form a link to an OPAC page from the staff itnerface? 10:04 cait xarragon: it should be http(s):// and then the base url or your opac 10:04 cait of your opac... but in a meeting now, maybe ask a little later 10:04 cait Any announcements? tcohen? 10:04 tcohen Koha.Preference('OPACBaseUrl') 10:05 tcohen ah yes 10:05 xarragon tcohen: Ok, I was using the variable exposed by the get_template_and_foobar() call.. 10:06 tcohen Only that by the end of the week we need to have a beta release, so feature freeze is approaching 10:06 tcohen it will depend on how involved people are on fixing bugs 10:06 tcohen the more people, the less time i need to spend on fixing bugs 10:06 tcohen so more time to push things 10:07 tcohen that's why we set the trello board 10:07 tcohen so people notice things that need attention 10:07 cait #link https://trello.com/b/U2qRMwJO/3-22-blockers 10:07 xarragon tcohen: Ah, I have not set that preference 10:07 xarragon tcohen: Thanks for the help 10:07 tcohen right now, there aren't big issues (in general) 10:07 tcohen but there are a couple problems in Plack 10:08 cait bug 15032 10:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import 10:08 tcohen that require people to spend hours debugging them 10:08 cait bug 14743 10:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , addorder.pl redirect problems under plack behind apache 2.4.10 10:08 tajoli thomas, trello is private 10:08 indradg + 1 tajoli 10:08 eythian also proprietary 10:08 tcohen yeah, specially 15032, which is a bit tricky, and looks like an integration issue, somehow 10:08 tcohen tajoli: not anymore 10:08 cait there are also some plack problems in the 'needs QA' queue - i am nto there yet with plack, so help appreciated 10:09 tcohen eythian: next time we'll use taiga 10:09 eythian :) 10:09 indradg thanks tcohen 10:09 tcohen so I'll be focusing on the plack issues 10:10 tcohen and pushing enhancements until friday/saturday 10:10 tcohen that's all the announcements 10:10 cait there are also some patches releated to removing the old outdated C4::Dates package, that need testing still http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=14870&hide_resolved=1 for an overview (mouse over to see status) 10:11 cait #info Koha Beta to be relesased by end of week, so features will only be pushed until then 10:11 cait #info Please help fix/text open bugs as noted on the (now public) trello board 10:11 cait questions for further announcements? 10:11 tajoli About SQL setup (non MARC) translation 10:12 tcohen there might be missing bugs on that propietary board, though, please add them or speak up 10:12 tajoli This week or later ? 10:12 tcohen ? 10:12 cait #info please let us know if something is missing on the Trello board - so it can be added (or add yourself if you have an account) 10:12 cait tajoli: i think a part of those have already been pushed 10:12 tajoli All SQL files that have stings to transalte (no MARC) 10:13 cait or do you mean the web installer files? 10:13 tajoli Yes web installer files 10:13 wahanui web installer files are sql files 10:13 tcohen tajoli: what about them? 10:13 tcohen ah 10:13 cait translating the new notices and all that 10:13 tcohen don't worry about that tajoli 10:13 tajoli do we prefer to transalte them this week or later 10:14 tajoli ? 10:14 tcohen it can happen after the beta 10:14 mveron #info Marc Véron, Allschwil, Koha Support Schweiz 10:14 xarragon tcohen: AHA, that's whatw as wrong actually.. It is not set as a template variable by the get_template_and_auth, so it was empty, and browser just defaulted to the same document. 10:14 cait might make sense too - in case you push more changes :) 10:14 cait moving on? 10:14 tcohen sure 10:14 xarragon tcohen: So I found a bug of mine there thanks to you! 10:14 cait #topic KohaCon15 10:14 * magnuse hopes to do an update of the nb-NO web installer files 10:14 cait It happened! :) 10:15 magnuse yay! 10:15 cait rangi has some summaries and information about it on his blogs - feedback seemed quite positive 10:15 cait nigeria_kohacon_organizers++ 10:15 magnuse http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/kohacon15/ 10:15 tcohen nigeria_kohacon_organizers++ 10:15 cait #link http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/kohacon15/ 10:16 magnuse nigeria_kohacon_organizers++ 10:16 cait something to add here? 10:16 cait Moving on then 10:17 tcohen yeap 10:17 cait #topic Elections of the release team for Koha 3.24 10:17 cait ok, before we start with voting 10:18 cait are there questions about the proposals, roles or procedure? 10:18 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions 10:18 bag waves from his sleep 10:18 cait sleep walking RM-candidate... 10:18 drojf sleepwalking release manager, awesome 10:18 cait jinx 10:19 drojf :D 10:19 magnuse or sleepvoting 10:19 * bag no vote ;) 10:19 cait don't sleep and push... 10:19 cait ok, so we got no questions? 10:19 bag friends don’t let friends sleep and push 10:19 cait i'd like to do a group vote for the roles with multiple names people under one of the bold headings 10:19 cait does that work for everyone? 10:19 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.24 10:19 drojf +1 10:20 mveron +1 10:20 tcohen +1 10:20 cait otherwise, we will work top to bottom 10:20 tajoli +1 10:20 cait now i need to figure out the vote bot again, give me a little moment 10:20 cait #startvote help 10:20 huginn Unable to parse vote topic and options. 10:20 cait hm 10:21 cait and if someone knows how to see the help page ... :) 10:21 eythian @help startvote 10:21 huginn eythian: Error: There is no command "startvote". 10:21 eythian #help startvote 10:21 cait @help startvote 10:21 huginn cait: Error: There is no command "startvote". 10:21 * eythian fails to help 10:21 drojf @help start vote 10:21 huginn drojf: Error: There is no command "start vote". 10:21 drojf worth a try 10:21 drojf eythian: no more package management for you? 10:21 magnuse @help startvote 10:21 huginn magnuse: Error: There is no command "startvote". 10:22 cait #startvote Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM? (yes,no) 10:22 huginn Begin voting on: Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:22 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:22 eythian drojf: nope, passing the torch, found a willing victim :) 10:22 cait phrasing it as a question is kind of hard 10:22 magnuse #vote yes 10:22 tcohen do you support… 10:22 cait Brendan's proposal can be found here btw 10:22 jajm #vote yes 10:22 tajoli #vote yes 10:22 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal 10:22 tcohen #vote yes 10:22 mveron #vote yes 10:22 cait #vote yes 10:22 drojf #vote yes 10:23 cait tcohen: that's good, will use it next time 10:23 drojf good proposal, bad link (if that is the correct link) 10:23 cait hm works for me 10:23 tcohen cait: so you are signing to chair in six months? 10:23 drojf (just calling the page proposal i mean) 10:23 magnuse i moved it 10:23 drojf magnuse++ 10:23 eythian #vote yes 10:23 schnydszch #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines. Sorry it's the monthly meeting. :) 10:24 cait tcohen: ? 10:24 magnuse #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Brendan_Gallagher_3.24_RM_proposal 10:24 cait ending the vote in a moment... 10:24 fredericd #vote yes 10:24 cait #endvote 10:24 huginn Voted on "Do you agree with Brendan Gallagher (bag) to be our next RM?" Results are 10:24 huginn yes (9): magnuse, cait, eythian, jajm, fredericd, tajoli, tcohen, drojf, mveron 10:24 cait ah nice, it works this time 10:24 schnydszch #vote yes 10:25 cait #agreed RM: Brendan Gallagher yes (9): magnuse, cait, eythian, jajm, fredericd, tajoli, tcohen, drojf, mveron (+1 yes after ending the vote) 10:25 magnuse congrats bag! 10:25 eythian poor bag ;) 10:25 tcohen congratulations Brendan! 10:25 tcohen bag++ 10:25 drojf bag++ 10:25 mveron bag++ 10:25 tcohen [off] yeah, poor bag :-D 10:25 cait #startvote Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers? (yes,no) 10:25 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:25 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:26 cait #vote yes 10:26 eythian #vote yes 10:26 schnydszch #vote yes 10:26 tajoli #vote yes 10:26 wnickc #vote yes 10:26 mveron #vote yes 10:26 drojf #vote yes 10:26 magnuse #vote yes 10:26 fredericd #vote yes 10:26 jajm #vote yes 10:26 tcohen #vote yes 10:27 cait ending the vote in a moment 10:27 cait oh and congrats bag of course :) 10:27 cait #endvote 10:27 huginn Voted on "Do you support Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18) as Release Maintainers?" Results are 10:27 huginn yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, cait, mveron, tcohen, drojf, schnydszch 10:28 cait #agreed Release maintainers: Julian Maurice (3.22), Fréderic Demians (3.20), Liz Rea (3.18). yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, cait, mveron, tcohen, drojf, schnydszch 10:28 cait #startvote Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP? (yes,no) 10:28 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:28 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:28 magnuse #vote yes 10:28 eythian #vote yes 10:28 tcohen #vote yes 10:28 mveron #vote yes 10:28 tajoli #vote yes 10:28 drojf #vote yes 10:28 wnickc #vote yes 10:28 jajm #vote yes 10:29 fredericd #vote yes 10:29 cait #vote yes 10:29 cait closing vote in a moment 10:29 bgkriegel #vote yes 10:30 cait #endvote 10:30 huginn Voted on "Do you support as Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP?" Results are 10:30 huginn yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, mveron, cait, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen 10:30 schnydszch #vote yes 10:30 cait #agreed Module Maintainers: Jesse Weaver for Administration, Fréderic Demians for OAI-Server, Kyle Hall for Circulation and SIP. yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, fredericd, mveron, cait, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen 10:30 cait #startvote Do you support Bernardo González Kriegel as Translation manager? (yes,no) 10:30 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Bernardo González Kriegel as Translation manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:30 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:30 schnydszch #vote yes 10:30 * cait just hopes she typed all the names right 10:31 cait #vote yes 10:31 drojf #vote yes 10:31 mveron #vote yes 10:31 tcohen #vote yes 10:31 tajoli #vote yes 10:31 eythian #vote yes 10:31 jajm #vote yes 10:31 tcohen thanks bgkriegel! 10:31 fredericd #vote yes 10:31 wnickc #vote yes 10:31 magnuse #vote yes 10:31 cait bgkriegel++ :) 10:31 bgkriegel :) 10:31 HAgud #vote yes 10:32 cait ending vote in a moment 10:32 bag back ha thanks for the support all 10:32 * bag will still stay out of it for now 10:32 cait #endvote 10:32 huginn Voted on "Do you support Bernardo González Kriegel as Translation manager?" Results are 10:32 huginn yes (12): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, cait, mveron, schnydszch, drojf, tcohen 10:32 cait more and more people waking up :) 10:32 cait #agreed Translation Manager: Bernardo González Kriegel. yes (12): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, cait, mveron, schnydszch, drojf, tcohen 10:32 eythian but it's bedtime 10:33 bgkriegel thanks to all :) 10:33 cait I will combine the next too if noone vetoes :) 10:33 cait thx to you! :) 10:33 magnuse go cait go :-) 10:33 cait #startvote Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager? (yes,no) 10:33 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:33 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:33 eythian #vote yes 10:33 cait #vote yes 10:33 tcohen #vote yes 10:33 bgkriegel #vote yes 10:33 mveron #vote yes 10:33 tajoli #vote yes 10:33 wnickc #vote yes 10:33 HAgud #vote yes 10:33 jajm #vote yes 10:33 magnuse #vote yes 10:34 fredericd #vote yes 10:34 cait closing vote in a moment 10:34 cait #endvote 10:34 huginn Voted on "Do you support Nicole Engard as Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager?" Results are 10:34 huginn yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, fredericd, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, cait, mveron, tcohen, bgkriegel 10:34 cait #agreed Documentation Manager and Database Documentation Manager: Nicole Engard. yes (11): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, fredericd, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, cait, mveron, tcohen, bgkriegel 10:34 cait #chair drojf 10:34 huginn Current chairs: cait drojf 10:34 drojf ok, taking over for cait briefly so she can concentrate on being elected :) 10:34 cait handing over to drojf 10:34 schnydszch #vote yes 10:34 drojf #startvote Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager? (yes,no) 10:34 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:34 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:35 bgkriegel #vote yes 10:35 jajm #vote yes 10:35 wnickc #vote yes 10:35 fredericd #vote yes 10:35 mveron #vote yes 10:35 tcohen #vote yes 10:35 eythian #vote yes 10:35 magnuse #vote yes 10:35 HAgud #vote yes 10:35 drojf closing vote in a minute 10:35 schnydszch #vote yes 10:36 drojf #endvote 10:36 huginn Voted on "Do you support Katrin Fischer to continue her work as QA Manager?" Results are 10:36 huginn yes (10): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, mveron, tcohen, schnydszch, bgkriegel 10:36 drojf #agreed: QA Manager: Katrin Fischer yes (10): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, mveron, tcohen, schnydszch, bgkriegel 10:36 magnuse cait++ 10:36 tcohen cait++ 10:36 drojf oh damn i forgot to vote myself 10:37 eythian haha 10:37 drojf sorry :) for the record #vote yes 10:37 tcohen so ou don't support her 10:37 drojf handing back to cait 10:37 cait *sobs* 10:37 cait ;) 10:37 mveron cait ++ 10:37 drojf i can only do one thing at a time :'( 10:37 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:38 tajoli sorry, dealy. for the record #vote yes 10:38 thd #vote yes 10:38 drojf ok i'll do qa team too, just a sec 10:39 drojf #startvote Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team? (yes,no) 10:39 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:39 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:39 mveron #vote yes 10:39 jajm #vote yes 10:39 eythian #vote yes 10:39 tcohen #vote yes 10:39 drojf #vote yes 10:39 wnickc #vote yes 10:39 bgkriegel #vote yes 10:39 HAgud #vote yes 10:39 schnydszch #vote yes 10:40 wnickc zaphod 10:40 fredericd #vote yes 10:40 wnickc oops 10:40 eythian tcohen: voting for yourself eh? ;) 10:40 thd #vote yes 10:40 magnuse #vote yes 10:40 tajoli #vote yes 10:40 tcohen eythian: at this point i'm shameless 10:40 eythian heh 10:40 * cait is very happy about the QA team :) 10:40 drojf closing vote in a moment 10:40 cait #vote yes 10:41 tcohen all your sheeps 10:41 drojf #endvote 10:41 huginn Voted on "Do you support Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart to be the new Quality Assurance (QA) Team?" Results are 10:41 huginn yes (14): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, cait, HAgud, tajoli, mveron, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen 10:42 drojf #agreed: Quality Assurance (QA) Team: Marcel de Rooy, Jesse Weaver, Paul Poulain, Kyle M Hall, Tomas Cohen Arazi and Jonathan Druart: yes (14): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, wnickc, jajm, cait, HAgud, tajoli, mveron, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen 10:42 cait :) 10:42 cait I will continue now :) 10:42 drojf handing back to the old and new qa manager/chair person 10:42 cait #startvote Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager? (yes,no) 10:42 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:42 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:42 eythian #vote yes 10:42 tcohen #vote yes 10:42 fredericd #vote yes 10:42 thd #vote yes 10:42 eythian #vote yes 10:42 mveron #vote yes 10:42 drojf #vote yes 10:42 magnuse #vote yes 10:42 tajoli #vote yes 10:42 eythian #vote yes 10:43 cait and eythian++ for all the hard work done 10:43 HAgud #vote yes 10:43 eythian #vote no 10:43 cait #vote yes 10:43 eythian just kidding 10:43 eythian #vote yes 10:43 magnuse eythian++ 10:43 wnickc #vote yes 10:43 bgkriegel #vote yes 10:43 tcohen eythian++ 10:43 schnydszch #vote yes 10:43 eythian :) 10:43 jajm #vote yes 10:43 tcohen gmcharlt++ 10:43 eythian #vote yes 10:43 indradg #vote yes 10:43 cait closing vote in a moment 10:43 eythian #vote yes 10:44 cait #endvote 10:44 huginn Voted on "Do you support Galen Charlton as Packaging Manager?" Results are 10:44 huginn yes (15): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, schnydszch, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, tajoli, indradg, mveron, cait, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen 10:44 eythian #vote yes 10:44 magnuse question about the "Continous integration infrastructure maintainer" role: bag mentioned something about CI in his proposal - will tcohen in this role (potentially) conflict with bag's plans? 10:44 cait #agreed Packaging Manager: Galen Charlton. yes (15): magnuse, fredericd, eythian, schnydszch, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, tajoli, indradg, mveron, cait, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, tcohen 10:44 tcohen i'm not sure we'll conflict 10:44 magnuse gmcharlt++ 10:45 tcohen my idea is taking care of the continous integration infrastructure tp 10:45 tcohen to 10:45 tcohen 1) make it more useful 10:45 drojf every time i am highlighted after a vote ends i am in fear i volunteered for something being half asleep 10:45 tcohen 2) go beyond testing: packaging automation and doc generation 10:46 eythian drojf: secretly you are being voted for every role 10:46 magnuse bag said in his proposal: "Jesse Weaver (Pianohacker) and Kyle Hall - help me with the tech and will be on the QA team. [...] One of them will be responsible as the Jenkins manager since I will need help there." 10:46 drojf tcohen: i think bag had someone appointed to do jenkins stuff in his proposal, that is probably what magnuse is talking about 10:46 drojf ah he can explain it better himself :) 10:46 cait bag? :) 10:46 cait might have fallen asleep now 10:46 magnuse yup 10:46 cait my feeling is, that it won't conflict -t here is lots to do 10:47 tcohen bag 10:47 magnuse yeah, same for me, i just wanted to point it out 10:47 drojf i suppose the more people volunteer on doing stuff, the better 10:47 tcohen magnuse: it makes sense 10:47 drojf otherwise you will challenge each other to a duel and sort it out 10:47 cait hehe 10:47 magnuse "chief jenkins assistant to the rm" 10:47 cait bug squash duel! 10:48 magnuse yeah! 10:48 magnuse now we're talking 10:48 indradg heh 10:48 eythian vservers at dawn 10:48 magnuse well, if bag is asleep let's just vote and leave the duelling for later 10:48 cait ok 10:48 cait #startvote Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi 10:48 huginn Unable to parse vote topic and options. 10:48 indradg magnuse+ 10:48 tcohen hm 10:48 cait oh sec 10:48 drojf needs answer options 10:48 cait #startvote Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi? (yes,no) 10:48 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:48 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:48 magnuse #vote yes 10:49 eythian #vote yes 10:49 mveron #vote yes 10:49 cait #vote yes 10:49 HAgud #vote yes 10:49 indradg #vote yes 10:49 jajm #vote yes 10:49 wnickc #vote yes 10:49 thd #vote yes 10:49 fredericd #vote yes 10:49 drojf #vote yes 10:49 drojf i'm so tired, did i vote twice now? 10:49 bgkriegel #vote yes 10:49 tcohen drojf: no 10:50 tajoli #vote yes 10:50 magnuse drojf: even if you did, the bot would keep track of it :-) 10:50 cait ending vote in a moment 10:50 drojf i know :) 10:50 cait #endvote 10:50 huginn Voted on "Do you support as Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi?" Results are 10:50 huginn yes (13): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, indradg, mveron, thd, drojf, tajoli, bgkriegel 10:51 tcohen #info tcohen will duel brendan's guys if there is a conflict 10:51 magnuse yay! 10:51 cait #agreed Continous integration infrastructure maintainer (a.k.a. Jenkins): Tomas Cohen Arazi. yes (13): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, fredericd, indradg, mveron, thd, drojf, tajoli, bgkriegel 10:51 mveron Question: Can I still join the Bug Wranglers? 10:51 cait hehe 10:51 drojf lol 10:51 drojf mveron: yes 10:51 magnuse mveron: if you hurry :-) 10:51 drojf do it now! 10:51 tcohen mveron: you ARE a bug wrangler 10:51 mveron Ok 10:51 drojf mveron++ 10:51 tcohen mveron++ 10:51 thd mveron++ 10:51 cait please add yourself to the wiki 10:51 cait i will add you to my voting thing :) 10:52 * mveron can not login to the wiki at the moment 10:53 * magnuse can do it 10:53 cait #startvote Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron? (yes,no) 10:53 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:53 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:53 cait #vote yes 10:53 jajm #vote yes 10:53 drojf oh tajoli sneaked in last minute too :) 10:53 drojf swesome 10:53 cait yep :) 10:53 wnickc #vote yes 10:53 thd #vote yes 10:53 tcohen #vote yes 10:53 eythian mveron: I added you 10:53 HAgud #vote yes 10:53 schnydszch #vote yes 10:53 bgkriegel #vote yes 10:53 cait looks like we are going to have a great 3.24 release team :) 10:53 eythian #vote yes 10:53 tajoli in fact in the last hour 10:53 drojf #vote yes 10:53 drojf (for the others) 10:53 indradg #vote yes 10:54 magnuse #vote yes 10:54 magnuse (for the others) 10:54 cait ending vote in a moment 10:54 cait #endvote 10:54 huginn Voted on "Do you support as Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron?" Results are 10:54 huginn yes (12): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, indradg, tcohen, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, schnydszch 10:54 cait #agreed Bug Wranglers: Magnus Enger, Mirko Tietgen, Indranil Das Gupta, Zeno Tajoli, Marc Véron. yes (12): magnuse, cait, eythian, wnickc, jajm, HAgud, indradg, tcohen, thd, drojf, bgkriegel, schnydszch 10:54 magnuse w00t! 10:55 cait last one everyone :) 10:55 cait #startvote Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator? (yes,no) 10:55 huginn Begin voting on: Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . 10:55 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:55 tcohen #vote yes 10:55 magnuse #vote yes 10:55 cait #vote yes 10:55 eythian #vote yes 10:55 jajm #vote yes 10:55 tajoli #vote yes 10:55 fredericd #vote yes 10:55 indradg #vote yes 10:55 wnickc #vote yes 10:55 schnydszch #vote yes 10:55 mveron #vote yes 10:55 thd #vote yes 10:55 drojf #vote yes 10:55 bgkriegel #vote yes 10:55 HAgud #vote yes 10:56 cait closing vote in a moment 10:56 cait #endvote 10:56 huginn Voted on "Do you support Thomas Dukleth as Wiki Curator?" Results are 10:56 huginn yes (15): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, mveron, HAgud, cait, indradg, tcohen, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, fredericd 10:56 cait #agreed Wiki Curator: Thomas Dukleth. yes (15): magnuse, tajoli, eythian, wnickc, jajm, mveron, HAgud, cait, indradg, tcohen, thd, schnydszch, drojf, bgkriegel, fredericd 10:56 cait done :) 10:56 cait thx everyone! 10:56 tcohen good night everyone 10:56 tcohen ah, no 10:56 cait hehe 10:57 tcohen time to head to the office 10:57 mveron thx cait and thx everybody 10:57 cait #topic KohaCon16 + KohaCon17 10:57 * eythian skips off yelling "I'm free! I'm free!" 10:57 drojf lol 10:57 cait meeting is not over yet... 10:57 tcohen eythian++ 10:57 cait only the elections 10:57 eythian that's what I meant :) 10:57 cait is osmeone here from KohaCon16? 10:57 drojf the way ex-managers of releases and other stuff celebrate once they are done is very encouraging to others :D 10:57 tcohen dh-make-free 10:58 eythian tcohen++ 10:58 drojf eythian++ 10:58 schnydszch KohaCon16 Greece? 10:58 cait drojf: he took care to find the next victim... so i htink we have to let him go :) 10:58 cait yes 10:58 cait I think one of the questions is from drojf 10:58 drojf oh 10:58 cait that we shoudl decide on a voting mechanism early on next time 10:58 drojf ah yes 10:58 schnydszch because I'm representing Phils. 10:58 cait woudl you be ok pushing this to the next meeting? maybe with a little note about the options? 10:58 tcohen oops, is late 10:58 tcohen later everyone 10:59 * mveron has to go... 10:59 drojf yes that would be alright. we just should think about it "now", not when we have the next vote. because then there is no time again 10:59 magnuse true 10:59 cait agreed 10:59 cait but it hink easier to vote with some optiosn spelled out 10:59 drojf background being we had no fixed rules and made them up on the spot 11:00 magnuse if someone could describe some alternatives before the next meeting we could have a vote 11:00 cait #info Deciding on the voting mechanism for next KohaCon will be pushed to the next meeting - ideas and notes about mechanisms to vote on shoudl be added to the wiki before the next meeting 11:00 cait for KohaCon17 the question is about when to open the bids 11:00 drojf i have an event here right before that so i will maybe not be done in time, but i could try 11:01 thd Alternatives become significant with more than two options to consider. 11:01 drojf yes 11:01 magnuse i see no harm in opening up for kohacon17 bids now 11:02 schnydszch second the motion you magnuse 11:02 magnuse where "opening up for bids" = having a page on the wiki where bidders can add themselves 11:02 cait no problem there for me either 11:02 cait but we shoud remember to communicate early about when it will close 11:02 drojf mtompset copied the proposal of the philippines the second the last vote was over. while i am not against that at all, i would prefer asking "officially" for proposals before they come in 11:02 cait and decide that with some time left :) 11:02 magnuse we should just remember to send out a reminder about bidding in march or thereabouts 11:03 thd I would be happy to create the page and advertise it next week. 11:03 drojf so the question was if we just do it now/just do it immediately after a vote is over. which would be fine for me 11:03 cait drojf: agreed 11:03 schnydszch yeah apologies from the Philippines part if that's the case 11:03 cait it's ok schnydszch - just trying to refine the workflow i think :) 11:03 cait woudl someone volunteer to send a note about the new page to the mailing lists? 11:03 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon17_Proposals 11:04 schnydszch :) cait 11:04 drojf i also moves the page because it looked like the official page but said itw as only for the philippines proposal ;) 11:04 drojf *moved 11:04 magnuse that page could be restored and slightly edited i thnk 11:04 magnuse looks like thd volunteered to advertise it :-) 11:04 eythian good thing theres a ... 11:04 eythian yeah, what magnuse said :) 11:04 cait ah sorry, missed that - thx thd 11:05 thd The page also needs an empty form. 11:05 cait #action thd to create a new page for Koha bids 2017 and advertise on the mailing list 11:05 thd Next week is after my current programming task :) 11:06 cait anything else we shold looking into for kohacons? 11:06 tajoli Sorry, about ElastichSearch. 11:06 tajoli Do we release it in 3.22 ? 11:06 cait #action all to add ideas about 'how to vote and how to count results' for KohaCon bids to the wiki to be voted on 11:06 magnuse should we decide on when the bidding stops and when the voting happens 11:06 thd Voting methods for counting votes with more than two options? 11:06 cait tajoli: it doesn't look like it at the moment 11:07 cait ok, moving on 11:07 cait #topic Update from the International Koha Fund committee 11:07 eythian tajoli: I'm still afraid of it causing breakage to regular workflows right at the moment. It's one of the things I'm looking into finding and fixing at the moment. 11:07 cait bag has send me some notes to share with you all 11:08 cait #info The koha fund committee met recently - notes are found here on the wiki http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising_IRC_meeting_15_October_2015 11:08 drojf magnuse: i think we could leave that open for now, but indicate we are going to do it at some point and announce it early 11:08 cait #info In summary - committee for collecting the money and creating fundraising opportunities seems to have a great start to it. 11:08 cait #info The part of the committee that makes recommendations to THT on how to spend money that is raised is being worked on. gmcharlt and BobB are in the process of writing the bylaws (rules) on how that committee portion should work. Of course anything that would need to pass etc, will be brought to the community for a vote. The next committee meeting date has not been set yet. 11:08 cait #info Update that was passed along to me from Joann at THT on the account standing for the fund. So far 5 people have made donations to the fund using the donate now button on the home page http://koha-community.org The total amount in the fund is $181.28 (USD) 11:08 drojf magnuse: or we set a date we will always use. if that is an option. have not checked how that was done the last times 11:08 cait anonymous_donators++ 11:09 cait argh, sorry, i saw now there were more topics to kohacon... 11:09 cait not sure what's with my eyes 11:09 thd ;) 11:09 cait was not intentional 11:10 cait thd: yes, but also for 2 options 11:10 cait some people would have preferred ranked voting for 2 as wel 11:10 cait so 1+ :) 11:10 magnuse drojf: yeah, just leave it open i guess 11:10 thd Oh yes. 11:10 cait and it hink i'd leave the end date open for now - but we should put a reminder in... maybe to be anounced later 11:10 drojf we should talk about the kohacon voting stuff next meeting 11:11 cait do we vote after the next kohacon? or before it? 11:11 drojf its early, i'd say after 11:11 cait #action all - reminder: need to talk about dates for KohaCon bidding (end date for addings bids, when to vote, etc.) 11:12 cait anything for the fund committee? 11:12 drojf ok lets skip to the topic we are actually in :) 11:13 cait I think it's awesome to see it moving - also that we got soem money already :) 11:13 cait hoping for more news soon 11:14 * eythian wonders if something like patreon is a good idea, though that's not really a discussion for now. 11:14 magnuse could be! 11:14 cait do you want me to add an.. info? is there idea too? 11:14 eythian if you like 11:15 drojf what is patreon? 11:15 magnuse you can donate a monthly amount 11:15 eythian drojf: it allows setting up recurring donations to a thing, basically 11:15 magnuse rangi has a thing there for covering the cost of some server 11:16 eythian I use it with a couple of podcasts I like, that sort of thing 11:16 cait #idea something like patreon could be looked into 11:16 drojf ok. does it keep as much of your money as flattr? 11:16 eythian dunno 11:17 cait oki to move on? 11:18 cait #topic Actions from General IRC Meeting 9 September 2015 11:18 drojf if it is an option that brings more than we get without, we shoudl consider it 11:18 cait #info all done 11:18 drojf if its not evil in general ;) 11:18 cait #topic Next Meeting 11:19 cait 2 December 20 UTC? 11:19 cait *coughs* 11:20 cait hm 11:20 drojf works for me 11:20 drojf and better than 9 11:20 wnickc sounds good 11:20 cait #agreed Next meeting will be 2 December 2015, 20 UTC 11:21 cait #endmeeting 11:21 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 11:21:08 2015 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 11:21 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015.2015-11-04-10.00.html 11:21 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015.2015-11-04-10.00.txt 11:21 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_4_november_2015.2015-11-04-10.00.log.html 11:21 cait thx all for attending! 11:21 drojf cait++ 11:21 wnickc cait++ 11:21 magnuse cait++ community++ 11:21 wnickc now off to grab that toddler I hear waking up 11:21 cait community++ 11:21 wnickc bye all 11:21 wnickc community++ 11:21 cait gonna be another exciting 6 monhts... but first we need to get out a really solid 3.22 - so please take a look at the trello and test test test 11:22 * cait is off for lunch then soon :) 11:22 * thd returns to sleeping and not in his chair this time ;) 11:23 * magnuse takes the dog for a walk 11:24 tajoli bye 11:35 eythian bedtime, later all 11:35 drojf good night eythian 11:35 * drojf feels like bed time too 11:38 andreashm Funny. I was here, logged into irc, and still managed to miss the meeting. :/ 11:38 andreashm Reading back now 11:49 gmcharlt sleep in, and I find myself packaging manager! ;) 11:59 xarragon Did you guys see that debian is EOL:ing ElasticSearch in Jessie? 12:09 magnuse gmcharlt: you're welcome ;-) 12:11 gmcharlt xarragon: yes - I'll be curious to see if that just ends up being a shot across the bow with the end result of ES providing the details on security patches that Debian-security wants 12:13 magnuse wow, sounds complicated 12:18 schnydszch hi! i would like to know what's :p and :w at some end of indexes in records.abs and also :w I see Subject:p 12:22 jcamins understanding zebra indexing? 12:22 wahanui it has been said that understanding zebra indexing is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing 12:23 xarragon gmcharlt: Yeah, that might be intent I guess. It seemed a bit drastic. 12:24 schnydszch so it's just a placeholder? 12:25 schnydszch it does not have meaning? like it's subfield p? or some of those? 12:25 jcamins No, not at all. It determines what kind of index you're creating. 12:25 jcamins That page doesn't explain it. Huh. 12:25 jcamins :w means "word index" and :p means "phrase index" 12:26 schnydszch okay now i get it 12:26 schnydszch yeah the page does not explain 12:26 schnydszch thanks! 12:41 tcohen hi 12:42 bgkriegel hi tcohen 12:42 tcohen hi bgkriegel 12:43 bgkriegel added a patch for Bug 15098, trello updated 12:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15098 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Itemtype description missing from facets for itypes in a search group 12:56 xarragon By the way, is there a reason the old library is called "C4"? 12:56 magnuse how hard can it be? 12:57 magnuse xarragon: you'll find the answer here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638 12:57 magnuse how hard can it be is http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638 12:57 magnuse how hard can it be? 12:58 magnuse oops, no you don't 12:58 magnuse i was sure it was there 12:58 jcamins c4? 12:58 wahanui c4 is probably a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)" 12:58 magnuse koha was modelled after an older ils called c2. c4 was going to be twice as good 12:59 drojf and the old ILS started with C, thats the 4. 13:00 xarragon Well it is good to have mysery legends in any project. 13:00 xarragon mystery* 13:00 drojf there is a kohacon video somewhere with joann ransom of HLT explaining it, i think. but i can't find it 13:01 cait hm i think rangi might have explained it too 13:01 cait somewhere deep in the irc logs 13:07 cait bgkriegel++ 13:07 drojf oh it wasn't jo, thats why i did not find it. got that link but the site is broken for me http://blip.tv/the-curious-and-wondering-eye/kohacon10-video-1-rosalie-blake-4367524 13:10 drojf ha! https://archive.org/details/KohaCon10 13:14 xarragon We'd all be lost without archive.org 13:14 drojf indeed 13:17 cait bgkriegel++ mveron++ 13:17 mveron Playing cards... :-) 13:17 cait yeah :) 13:18 cait not it would be good if we found someone who can do plack magic hm. 13:44 tcohen who's working on the C4::Dates removal patches? 13:44 tcohen mtompset? 13:44 wahanui hmmm... mtompset is catching up on his other coding projects. 13:45 nengard is the log for this morning's meeting posted yet? 13:47 tcohen fridolin: are you around? 13:47 cait nengard: not yet on the wiki, but the link is in the logs 13:47 nengard k - will puruse 13:47 cait puruse? 13:51 fridolin tcohen: yep 13:52 tcohen can u check if the dependency for bug 15059 is real? :-D 13:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15059 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Passed QA , Line break in html attribute 13:53 tcohen @later tell Joubu please tell me (more or less) when you'll be around 13:53 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 13:56 fridolin tcohen: indeed,since rebase I have said : In this case, this bug can be tested without bug 14955. 13:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14955 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , "Show more" link contains double encoded characters 13:56 fridolin so i drop the dependancy 13:56 * tcohen suspected that 14:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15059: Line break in html attribute in branchoverdues.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e0b35c15db408593b0d1a1a4c381750f8d3bec8> / Bug 15035: Anti-spam for opac-suggestions - FOLLOW-UP <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b31947c3bb6517ecdc7d21440ba79895c270749> / Bug 15061: Can't add item to rotating collection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha 14:24 tcohen cait: disable encryption 14:25 tcohen cait 14:25 cait yes 14:25 cait i see 14:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14805: Replace generic 'items' with the specific ones <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93d93b36377dea05131307106f1e5a9f226d9487> / Bug 14805: (follow-up) fix a bug in previous code and change msg string <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=67cb605872a89595835829dd0194fd0eaf2cc958> / Bug 14805: QA follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 15:05 xarragon is there an easy way to dump the variables from a C4::template? 15:05 xarragon Soi I can determine what is wrong at a glance? 15:14 * ashimema is now co-maintainer of the Swagger2 lib 15:15 cait are congratulations in order? 15:15 cait you can dump them... sec 15:15 cait bug 13948 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add ability to dump template toolkit variables to html comment 15:16 cait you can also do something like: 15:16 cait [% USE Dumper %] <!--ITEM [% Dumper.dump(item) %] --> 15:16 cait which is what i did in the past - haven't tested the new feature yet 15:17 cbrannon Has anyone ever noticed, when you manually enter a date in Koha, you have to enter it year first, but when you use a date picker, the date is last? 15:23 * andreashm is back again 15:27 putti How did you solve this problem when installing the UUID perl package: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -luuid ? 15:29 cait xarragon: ^ 15:30 cait cbrannon: hm that sound sstrange 15:30 cait if you enter a date manually it should be entered in your selected date format 15:30 * mveron-away is back in about 4-5 hours 15:31 cbrannon cait: we have ALWAYS been told to enter the date as yyyy-mm-dd. 15:31 cbrannon I should clarify, this is in reports. 15:31 cait ah 15:31 cait yes, the format in sql is yyyy-mm-dd 15:31 cait and the |date option is broken in some versions 15:32 cait they are a bit special currently 15:32 cbrannon but when you choose a date from the date picker, it shows in the format of dd/mm/yyyy 15:32 cait reports 15:32 cbrannon it still works though 15:32 cait yeah 15:32 cait because it reformats 15:32 cait when building the sql - if yu look at the sql after running it, you will see it's also 2010... 15:32 cbrannon why can't manual entry be that nice? 15:33 cait if you use <<date|date>> you can enter according to system preference, if you do something like where date like "2010%" you woud use something like <<date (enter YYYY-MM-TT truncate with %)>> 15:34 cait so it depends a bit on how your report works how you have to enter it 15:35 cait not surei am making sense 15:36 cbrannon If you use the date picker, you can't manually enter dates. And if you don't use date picker, you HAVE to enter as yyyy-mm-dd (excluding truncating). It just seems if the date picker can get around the formating, we should be able to when we manually enter as well. 15:36 cait i think hte problem is that the date picker shoudl also allow you to enter manually 15:37 cait bug 14060 15:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14060 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Remove readonly on date inputs 15:37 cait so even when the datepicker is shown, ideally you shoudl be able to edit the date manually in the input field 15:37 cait without the |date koha doesn't know your free input field IS a date... so it won't do the reformatting 15:38 cbrannon someone needs to fix that. 15:38 cait you can open a bug report... but it's tricky 15:39 cait we usually just put an input help in the description, like (Start Date, enter YYY-MM-TT truncate with %) 15:39 cait so people see that and know what to do when running the report 15:40 cait hm, maybe you meant 14060 15:40 cait this day feels like monday 15:40 cbrannon :) 15:46 putti cait, I added koha::object for issuing rules: bug 15129 :) Does that look alright? 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha::object for issuing rules 15:47 putti And I'll maybe do some more refactoring but I thought to put just that one first, so the patches would be small! 15:53 cait putti: sorry, can't check now, and kyle or Joubu might be better to ask 15:53 putti cait, alright. maybe :) 15:57 Kchris does anyone know if the "install and setup koha to use Git on a development Server" instructions are up to date? 15:59 Kchris after editing the configuration files, I get "ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS" message 15:59 putti Kchirs I'm running my system with those instructions 15:59 putti Kchris, which conf files? 15:59 Kchris putti: that's encouraging. 16:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12933: DBRev 3.21.00.050 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9708ffa1d3929535620c86063ad82e7aa9f22864> / Bug 12933: (QA followup) Add missing notice templates and other small fixes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3efbad2ce953b18091079264a027b4d034dd77b7> / Bug 12933: (QA followup) Rename GetOverdues to GetOverduesForPatron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe 16:01 putti Kchris, after running what program you get "ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS"? 16:02 putti Kchris, this might help you also, but maybe to different problems: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#403_errors_for_Gitified_or_git_clone_installs :) 16:03 Kchris Putti: I edited the apache-shared-opac.conf, apache-shared-intranet.conf, and the koha-conf.xml files to point to the appropriate git directories and files. 16:04 putti Kchris, and where the error came? 16:05 Kchris putti: the error came after I restarted Apache, and tried to load localhost:8080 16:06 putti hmm, I think you should not edit apache-shared-opac.conf and apache-shared-intranet.conf but instead apache2/sites-available/koha.conf 16:06 putti The two files are somehow autogenerated, if I recall correctly. 16:08 putti Kchris, did you take a look in the wiki page at "Configure and Start Apache" ? 16:08 Kchris Putti: No, i haven't looked at that. 16:09 putti Kchris, hopefully you will get it running with the instructions provided there :) 16:13 Kchris putti: thanks. is "Configure and Start apache" a page on the Koha wiki? 16:13 putti Kchris, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git 16:13 putti it's under that article 16:14 Kchris thanks! 16:14 putti Kchris, was this the article you looked in the first place or something else ? O.o 16:15 putti no problem, glad to help you :) 16:15 Kchris No, I was looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install_and_Setup_Koha_to_use_Git_on_a_Development_Server 16:16 putti I see 16:16 Kchris the article I was looking at didn't mention apache2/sites-available/koha.conf 16:18 tcohen @later tell eythian there is a new dependency on 11622: URL::Encode, is it possible to build it? 16:18 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 16:18 tcohen @later tell gmcharlt there is a new dependency on 11622: URL::Encode, is it possible to build it? 16:18 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 16:30 drojf tcohen: looking at http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13665#c3 i wonder how i would "ask for a setSpec containing all facets" as you described in the comment? any hints? 16:30 huginn 04Bug 13665: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow 16:31 tcohen drojf: yes 16:32 tcohen zebra::facet::<facet_1>:0,<facet_2>:0...<facet_n>:0 16:34 drojf and right now we do that one at the time, but if you get all at once and one is empty, it explodes? 16:35 jcamins Kabloom! 16:35 drojf hi jcamins :D 16:36 tcohen hehe 16:36 tcohen jcamins: it works 16:36 wahanui However, now everything else is broken. 16:37 tcohen if you have facet_1, .., facet_n populated, of course 16:37 tcohen heh 16:37 drojf ah yes i found it. so basically one would not do the loop and get_facet_from_result_set for each one 16:37 tcohen yeah 16:38 tcohen i played with zebra's code so it skips unpopulated setpecs 16:38 tcohen but didn't have feedback from indexdata about the best way to do it 16:38 drojf but ID did not like the idea? why does it break? is it zebras fault or ours? 16:38 tcohen they basically consider the whole string as a setspec 16:38 tcohen the whole string is a setspec 16:38 tcohen and it needs to be filled so there are results 16:39 tcohen the answer i got was "yes, there needs to be data on all of them" 16:39 tcohen if you have a personal contact with one of them, comment this 16:39 drojf so it is on us to check beforehand and only use those that are not empty 16:39 drojf i will 16:40 tcohen we could do that, we could patch index.c, or we could populate all of them with phantom data, but i didn't find a way to do it 16:41 drojf too complicated or lack of time? 16:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15014: Returns 0 if everything went fine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=314f3e22d969b05ffd0590153707fd0c673987be> 16:42 tcohen lack of time and/or lack of imagination 16:42 tcohen i mean, thought about it, but didn't try to implement due to lack of time 16:43 tcohen something like adding a negative id or smth like that 16:43 tcohen i think jcamins had some ideas 16:44 jcamins I had suggested having a magic record, I think. 16:44 tcohen ah 16:44 tcohen a record with all defined facets 16:44 jcamins Yeah. 16:45 tcohen i recall 16:45 tcohen i tried to avoid that workaroudn 16:45 tcohen and failed 16:45 tcohen due to poor communication 16:45 drojf internally in koha somewhere, or an actual record? 16:46 tcohen drojf: a generated record 16:46 tcohen passed to zebraidx when doing a full reindex i guess 16:46 tcohen worth exploring 16:47 * tcohen now remembers how he misses jcamins around 16:47 drojf ok. but for testing purposes, an actual record should do 16:47 drojf yes there should be more jcamins around 16:48 drojf way too little food talk, too 16:49 tcohen heh 16:49 jcamins drojf: yesterday I made Jamaican oatmeal chocolate chip cookies. 16:49 jcamins (coffee + rum + nutmeg + cayenne pepper) 16:49 tcohen \o/ 16:49 * tcohen wants 16:50 tcohen btw, how about having the first brick for building a REST api pushed? 16:50 jcamins Did you bribe people with cookies? 16:52 tcohen jcamins: of course 16:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13799: Add types for patron's fields in Swagger spec <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35ecddec894ad633e26e8802c7c68864e395fca4> / Bug 13799: Rename t/.../v1/borrowers.t to t/.../v1/patrons.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f60f35281252887ee4558b092b5857cca5de2bdf> / Bug 13799: Reword 'borrower' to 'patron' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; 16:52 tcohen \o/ 16:52 tcohen confetti 16:52 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 16:53 ashimema ? 16:53 ashimema :) 16:53 ashimema even 17:04 tcohen bug 13799 17:04 wahanui bug 13799 is, like, ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it 17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add base for building RESTful API 17:38 pianohacker tcohen++ 17:43 tcohen ? 17:48 pianohacker tcohen: bug 13799 17:48 wahanui i think bug 13799 is ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it 17:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add base for building RESTful API 17:51 bok where would i be able to get help troubleshooting a report i'm trying to write 18:34 magnuse two misconceptions i have heard about the upcoming release: 1. the new rest api will replace all other apis, including z39.50, ils-di etc. 2. everything is now working perfectly under plack 18:36 pianohacker not that any of us would be terribly sad to see Z39.50 die, but... 18:47 rangi morning 18:47 rangi koha was C4, then it was kumara, before it was Koha (all pre release) 18:48 pianohacker kumara? 18:48 wahanui kumara is older than oldkoha 18:48 magnuse a kind of sweet potato 18:49 pianohacker okay, I would have deeply approved of Koha being named after a potato 18:49 magnuse if i recall correctly 18:49 pianohacker google agrees 18:50 magnuse not sure if it indigenous to nz? 18:52 pianohacker I think it's just a sweet potato: rangi? 18:53 magnuse i seem to remember someone calling it "our sweet potato", but that might not be significant 18:53 rangi yep, a strain you can only find here 18:54 magnuse ah, cool 18:54 rangi but it's related to the ones you can find in south america 18:54 magnuse that would have been at the "nz evening" we had in rotorua - happy times! 18:55 rangi :) 18:56 pianohacker taste much different, out of curiosity? 18:56 * pianohacker is reminded of boniato 18:56 rangi not much different 19:00 bag my dog is named after a potato pianohacker 19:01 pianohacker bag: aloo? 19:01 bag yes that’s hindi for potato 19:02 pianohacker ha! That's wonderful 19:02 * pianohacker loves potatos 19:03 magnuse bag: get another dog and call it kumara! 19:04 bag :) 19:08 rangi magnuse: https://www.workbuffer.org/presentations/ how does the cert there look to you? 19:12 magnuse rangi: i get a grey lock 19:12 magnuse when i click on it it says "secure connection" 19:12 rangi sweet, its a letsencrypt one 19:12 magnuse so i see 19:13 magnuse i got into the closed beta this morning too, not had time to test it yet 19:13 rangi works well 19:13 magnuse planning on using it for all my kohas 19:13 magnuse encrypt all the things! 19:13 rangi yeah, we don't offer non https ones anymore 19:14 magnuse catalyst++ 19:14 magnuse that is my plan too 19:14 magnuse i hope their config tools will work nicely with the packages... 19:14 rangi yeah, can't see why not 19:16 magnuse i was not thinking when i entered the beta, so i asked them to add e.g. bibkat.no, not all the *.bibkat.no domains i actually use... 19:16 magnuse *facepalm* 19:16 rangi yeah, ditto, but it's enough to test how it works anyway 19:17 magnuse looked like they might perhaps possibly support wildcard certs some time in the future... 19:17 rangi that would be ideal 19:17 rangi altho, its pretty easy to just make ones 19:18 rangi per domain 19:19 magnuse yeah, sounds like it 19:23 * drojf sighs 19:24 drojf nobody told me i would have to write a gazillion confirmation emails 19:24 rangi hmm? 19:24 magnuse drojf: confirmation of what? 19:25 drojf on the other hand, a lot of people want to attend my little seminar on koha 19:25 magnuse ah, awesome 19:25 rangi cool 19:25 * magnuse should do another "get to know koha" in oslo soon 19:26 drojf yes you should 19:27 jcamins magnuse: ooh, I want to get into the closed beta! How do I do that? 19:27 * jcamins just found the form. 19:27 magnuse jcamins: it's not exactly magic :-) 19:27 magnuse drojf: i think i will 19:28 magnuse it *is* more work than you think, though 19:28 jcamins magnuse: no, but it's also not on the letsencrypt.org site anywhere obvious. 19:28 jcamins magnuse: how so? 19:28 magnuse nothing happens before i am done with the current stage of the ncip project - which is hopefully tomorrow 19:29 magnuse jcamins: ah sorry, doing a seminar is more work... 19:29 jcamins I'd expect a bunch of domain validation and maybe generating a couple of certificate requests. 19:29 jcamins magnuse: ah. Yes, it certainly is. 19:29 drojf oh you got into the beta too :) 19:29 drojf rangi: did you use it on apache? if so, what version? 19:30 rangi nginx 19:30 drojf ok 19:30 rangi i just did --certonly 19:30 rangi and did the config myself 19:30 drojf did not work for me in apache. probably a 2.2 problem, others had it too 19:30 drojf alright. i did that too. but wanted to check the apache thing to see if that would work with koha out of the box somehow 19:30 jcamins drojf: I figured out the problem. 19:30 jcamins You used Apache. :P 19:30 drojf indeed 19:40 drojf so tired. must. confirm. stuff. 19:41 drojf magnuse: it sounded to me like wildcard certificates won't be available any time soon. and i did the same thing, did not enter subdomains :/ but it is going to be live soon anyway 19:43 magnuse yup :-) 19:43 pianohacker a "koha-make-my-site-encrypted" thing would be just the most kumara thing ever 19:45 drojf i'd vote for encryption and redirect http to https out of the box 19:46 bag is that the peewee playhouse word of the day pianohacker? kumara 19:46 drojf the letsencrypt cert did not really work for whatever old internet explorer version my office mate had to test. IE 8 or something 19:47 drojf not sure if there is something to be resolved until release or it won't ever work 19:47 drojf not sure if i care 19:48 magnuse drojf: i'd vote for that too 19:51 drojf goodness. the only thing more i confirm today is that it is really late 19:51 drojf and i should go home 19:55 magnuse drojf: yes you should ;-) 19:55 drojf heh 19:57 bag yes you should :) 20:05 magnuse there, all customers upgraded to 3.20.5 20:05 magnuse have fun, #koha! 20:05 bag later THE awesome magnuse 20:08 drojf oh i'm still here 20:08 drojf heh 20:08 drojf later #koha 20:31 tcohen hi 20:35 bag hi tcohen 20:35 bag how you holding up druthb 20:36 bag sorry about everything - wish I could have voted there 20:36 druthb eh, I'm managing. wanna hide. 20:37 Traumatan Hey guys, can anybody point me to a more detailed explanation of the SIP-Server? I am stuck with it not working and not logging as a bonus 20:38 bag hmm what are you using now for documentation? 20:38 bag sip? 20:38 wahanui hmmm... sip is enough to make me drink stronger things than wizzyrea's usual beer. Like whiskey. 20:39 bag Traumatan: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=SIP&go=Go 20:40 Traumatan yeah I clicked the first 10 links 20:40 Traumatan its like "do this and it works" which it does not 20:40 Traumatan what do you mean with "documentation?" 20:47 bag I meant documentation - like anything you were reading to set it up 20:49 tcohen so the internet is back 20:50 bag welcome back internet 20:52 tcohen hi bag 20:52 tcohen hi rangi 21:15 * andreashm waves 21:17 * pianohacker waves 21:17 * cait waves 21:19 * kchris waves 21:21 indradgPH hello 21:22 andreashm hi pianohacker, cait, kchris, indragPH! 21:23 * andreashm is writing notes from last weeks meetings. ugh. 21:23 andreashm making slides is more fun than this. 21:23 cait heh 21:23 * cait is done with making slides for now - but had to write 2 protocols today as well... 21:24 kchris hi andreashm 21:24 cait hm. maybe the better word is meeting notes :) 21:24 eythian hi 21:25 tcohen hi eythian 21:25 pianohacker tcohen: just to verify, is bug 15032 deterministic or no? 21:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import 21:25 cait ? 21:27 tcohen pianohacker: it is 21:27 tcohen completely reproducible 21:27 tcohen i can guide you 21:27 cait ah! 21:27 eythian tcohen: when you discover near merge time that something has a new dependency, can you send them this link: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Dependencies/Dependency_Guidelines and tell them that they're going to have to wait because of point #5 21:27 eythian and #6 21:28 tcohen is this about URL::Encode? 21:28 eythian yeah 21:28 tcohen I haven't pushed it 21:28 eythian Oh, I know 21:29 eythian It's not your fault 21:29 eythian it's their fault 21:29 tcohen so you're saying i should send them there 21:29 tcohen instead of asking for the package 21:29 tcohen right? 21:30 tcohen maybe bag is the one to take notes, i won't probably have to deal with that for a while :-P 21:30 eythian When they realise that they're adding a new dependency, they need to bring it up then. Not when you're considering it for merge. 21:31 tcohen ack 21:31 rangi i was talking to magnuse about this 21:31 tcohen syn_rcvd 21:31 rangi 08:21 <rangi> i reckon, you want a dependency, yu should commit to help packaging it 21:31 tcohen yeah, but we need and explicit workflow for that to work 21:31 rangi (helping might just be sending chocolate, or apologising a lot) 21:31 tcohen *an* 21:32 rangi but the main thing is, do we really need this bleeding edge module 21:32 rangi should be the first thing 21:32 eythian It's not a big deal to package things (though it would be good to have more people knowing how), it's just that if it's at the last moment then it's become a "drop everything and do this for me so we can get it in!" type thing. 21:32 eythian which is not cool 21:35 tcohen in this case is a cool thing, that is not mandatory for the release 21:35 * cait takes notes 21:35 tcohen so feel free 21:35 tcohen not to package it 21:35 eythian cait: I sent a ranty email covering this a while ago :) 21:35 cait i know 21:36 cait but being reminded is good :) 21:45 pianohacker @eythian++ 21:45 huginn pianohacker: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 21:45 pianohacker eythian++ 21:46 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2evC2xTNWg <-- she built a breakfast serving robot! 22:02 bag eythian, tcohen - adding new dependency stuff to my notes 22:02 bag thanks :) 22:02 mveron Hi again #koha 22:02 bag hey mveron 22:02 mveron hi bag :-) 22:03 * mveron counts: Wow, C4::Dates need sign-off wnet back from 8 to 4. Gerat! 22:03 mveron Great 22:03 * mveron Should put his glasses 22:23 cait bag? 22:23 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 22:23 * dcook waves to cait 22:24 dcook Not that I'm bag 22:24 dcook Just... morning :) 22:24 * cait waves back 22:24 bag hi 22:24 cait hey 22:24 cait bug 14985 22:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove C4::Dates from 6 files in folder C4/*.pm 22:24 * dcook waves to bag too for good measure 22:24 cait did you mean to sign it off? 22:25 bag I meant to sign it off. and right in the middle of me doing that - a person came to the door so I got up to help them 22:25 bag did it not finish? 22:25 bag silly me 22:26 cait missing the patch, was not sure if it was bug confusion, so asking :) 22:27 bag nah I just updated the bug - I will send patch in a little bit 22:29 bag should be up there now 22:30 bag cait ginny is watching clifford the tv show in the other room and she’s laughing so loud! it’s making me giggle 22:30 bag silly girl 22:31 cait :) 22:32 cait thx! 22:33 mveron bag ++ 22:33 bag mveron++ 22:33 mveron :-) 22:35 wizzyrea mveron++ yay ty for the signoff 22:42 eythian http://search.cpan.org/~mlehmann/common-sense-3.74/sense.pod 23:01 mveron wizzyrea: welcome :-) 23:08 * mveron amended two C4::Dates patches to make them apply. Almost falls asleep, hopes for overnight magic regarding C4::Dates sign-offs :-) 23:08 mveron Good night everybody, and Koha community ++ 23:09 mveron ...or daytime...