Time  Nick         Message
00:44 wizzyrea     @marc 590
00:44 huginn       wizzyrea: unknown tag 590
00:44 wizzyrea     ORLY.
00:48 jcamins      wahanui: @marc 590 is private note, usually equivalent to an institution-specific 500 note.
00:48 wahanui      OK, jcamins.
00:49 wizzyrea     we don't even have it in our frameworks, it's obsolete :P
00:51 tcohen       hi
00:51 wahanui      what's up, tcohen
00:51 wizzyrea     hi tcohen
00:51 tcohen       hi wizzyrea
00:51 eythian      tcohen: what's the bug that goes with that thing you want me to package?
00:51 eythian      I'm going to try to do it today
00:52 tcohen       it is a side effect of the decision to rely on DBIC to handle the DB handle
00:52 jcamins      wizzyrea: no it's not. it's a private field.
00:52 tcohen       hi jcamins!
00:52 tcohen       eythian: it is related to bug 14778
00:52 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , DBIC should create/own the DB handler
00:52 eythian      ta
00:53 jcamins      Which isn't to say that using it isn't in terribly poor taste. It's just not obsolete.
00:53 tcohen       we need to get rid of DBI::Mock
00:53 jcamins      :)
00:53 jcamins      tcohen: hello!
00:53 wizzyrea     http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd59x.html < says obsolete, and is local use.
00:53 tcohen       jcamins: remember for them is monday morning
00:53 tcohen       don't be rude
00:53 eythian      tcohen: afternoon already :)
00:53 wizzyrea     ^.^
00:54 * tcohen     misses unity's dropdown calendar
00:55 tcohen       with all timezones I need
00:55 wizzyrea     ALL OF THEM.
00:55 wizzyrea     :)
00:55 wizzyrea     koha development never sleeps.
00:56 tcohen       for me is "europe", "kyle's" and "kiwis"
00:56 tcohen       heh
00:56 wizzyrea     hehehe everything else is "sometime in between those"
00:56 tcohen       definitely
00:56 tcohen       ntw, a guy who's been in nz recently
00:57 tcohen       told me kiwis is not a gentle way to refer to people?
00:57 eythian      dunno where he went
00:57 eythian      it's perfectly fine
00:57 * wizzyrea   defers to actual kiwis
00:57 tcohen       not wellington evidently
00:57 rangi        someone was probably making it up
00:57 eythian      or anywhere else I've lived :)
00:57 tcohen       ah, that's sure
00:58 rangi        messing with tourists is a past time
00:58 wizzyrea     (though I can't think of a single place I've been where people wouldn't have referred to themselves as "kiwis"
00:58 wizzyrea     )
00:58 wizzyrea     ^^^
00:58 eythian      it's true
00:58 wahanui      I read it on the internet!
00:58 tcohen       hehe
00:58 tcohen       so my tweet about a global bug squashing week
00:58 wizzyrea     yes tell us more.
00:59 eythian      https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/2nem47/can_you_have_a_garden_in_new_zealand/ <-- this is a classic example
00:59 tcohen       i've set a Trello board with bugs that *we* find important for the release
00:59 eythian      tcohen: I'm sure I've talked to you before about trello
00:59 tcohen       yeah, OpenBoard
00:59 tcohen       hm, not, there was another one
01:00 tcohen       anyway
01:00 eythian      I use taigo.io
01:00 tcohen       the point is try to do this week
01:00 eythian      err
01:00 eythian      taiga
01:00 wizzyrea     taiga
01:00 tcohen       that we always talk about: working together (somehow)
01:01 tcohen       we have a complicated starman-related bug, which I expect to tackle with a hangout session with dobrica and jonathan
01:01 tcohen       (we worked 3 hours on it with jonathan un-successfuly)
01:01 tcohen       and there are other things that can be problematic
01:01 tcohen       the point is trying to focus on that this week
01:01 tcohen       while the rest of the enh are pushed
01:02 tcohen       I've listed things, and Katrin added some too
01:02 tcohen       if you want/can do something about any of those, just put your name on it
01:02 tcohen       and ask for help if needed
01:02 tcohen       or peer review, whatever
01:02 eythian      you're also assuming we're all on twitter, btw :)
01:03 tcohen       ah, of course
01:03 tcohen       you all use trello and twitter
01:03 wizzyrea     taiga*
01:03 tcohen       i forgot to send an email about this
01:03 tcohen       taiga.io
01:03 tcohen       damn
01:04 tcohen       yeah, there is a Koha Community project in Taiga too
01:04 tcohen       I just used what I had at hand
01:04 tcohen       anyway
01:05 tcohen       if you don't have a trello user, just pass me your email and I invite you to the board
01:05 eythian      We were looking in to setting up a taiga instance for the community, not sure where it's at though.
01:05 eythian      tcohen: that's not exactly the point
01:05 eythian      using proprietary software to manage free software is a bad idea.
01:06 tcohen       https://tree.taiga.io/project/koha-ils/
01:06 tcohen       eythian: I know
01:06 tcohen       it is only for this week
01:06 eythian      the taiga link doesn't work, btw
01:06 eythian      (permission denied)
01:07 tcohen       I'm not sure taiga will work for a project like Koha
01:07 tcohen       but, anyway
01:07 eythian      dcook: I think I should have given that talk after all, recorded it, and posted it here :)
01:07 tcohen       I'm sure someone will make it work
01:08 tcohen       i don't have the time to do it unfortunately
01:08 tcohen       i can't even manage people to fix their broken tests once jenkins alerts them :-D
01:08 eythian      heh
01:09 * tcohen     didn't know Ian was born in cait's city
01:09 eythian      presumably there's not much difference between doing it in trello vs. taiga. They do similar things, aiui
01:09 eythian      which Ian?
01:10 tcohen       eythian: taiga is way better, but it assumes you are a team
01:10 tcohen       well, nevermind didn't want to discuss the proposed workflows for each tool
01:10 tcohen       eythian: Debrah's boyfriend?
01:11 eythian      who is Debrah?
01:11 rangi        from debian eythian
01:11 eythian      oh right
01:11 tcohen       Ian Murdock
01:11 wizzyrea     I always feel a bit bad for them
01:12 tcohen       Ian Murdock, Katrin Fischer, that's an important city!
01:12 wizzyrea     though, I suppose it's nice that a part of what you created together outlived your togetherness?
01:12 wizzyrea     (kind of like having kids, really.)
01:13 cait         huh?
01:13 wizzyrea     debian named for "debrah" and "Ian" and I guess they broke up?
01:13 tcohen       wizzyrea: they did
01:14 tcohen       cait: don't you ever sleep?
01:14 wizzyrea     cait: go to bed
01:14 wizzyrea     :)
01:14 tcohen       cait: I've just noticed the Debian creator was born in Konstanz
01:16 tcohen       from the bug list, we really need help on Bug 15030
01:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15030 blocker, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Certain values in serials' items are lost on next edit
01:16 tcohen       sorry
01:16 tcohen       not that one :-D
01:16 tcohen       bug 15032
01:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
01:17 cait         tcohen: ah strange :) I wasn't born here tho
01:17 tcohen       we reproduced it, consistently, in kohadevbox
01:17 tcohen       might be related to a starman bug, an integration problem (the passed options for starman in koha-plack scripts)
01:18 tcohen       the import "works"
01:19 tcohen       and warn'ing the respose on each background-job.pl call (from the UI) shows good data
01:19 tcohen       but there is an "Internal server error" on the last call
01:19 tcohen       and we have no clue
01:20 tcohen       and fear it could have consequences on another pieces of Koha
01:36 tcohen       we should put libreboard in board.koha-community.org
01:36 tcohen       and solve the authentication integration challenge
01:36 tcohen       and that'd work for all of us I think
01:40 tcohen       bye
01:42 eythian      https://github.com/wekan/wekan/issues/92 <-- erk, libreboard actually took trello's css and checked it in to their git. That's crossing a wrong line, imo.
01:45 rangi        i still like taiga better anyway
01:46 * dcook      starts reading the scrollback
01:53 dcook        eythian: You should've totally done that talk, recorded it, and pasted it here :p
01:53 eythian      I shoulda
03:56 wizzyrea     annoying thing: documentation says "this is optional" when optional step supports core functionality.
03:56 wizzyrea     silly.
06:24 balvis       how to find out the number of records imported from .sql file?
06:28 * balvis     slaps Oak around a bit with a large fishbot
06:28 Oak          how rude.
06:29 balvis       sorry.wrongly clicked
06:29 Oak          :)
06:30 balvis       how to find out the number of records imported from .sql file?
06:31 Oak          in Koha? you imported an sql file directly in the database?
06:31 balvis       yes. using $ mysql -uroot -p books < koha.sql command
06:35 Oak          never tried it. may be use the verbose mode http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-command-options.html#option_mysql_verbose
06:37 Oak          by 'record's if you mean book records (and book items) then I think one should be doing this http://manual.koha-community.org/3.20/en/stagemarc.html
07:02 Oak          magnuse
07:13 magnuse      Oak
07:13 magnuse      \o/
07:13 Oak          \o/
07:42 reiveune     hello
07:55 alex_a       bonjour
08:12 gaetan_B     hello
08:37 mveron       Hi again #koha
08:37 mveron       Trello?
08:37 wahanui      Trello is, like, great for this sort of thing
08:38 mveron       wahanui ++  :-)
08:56 magnuse      @wuner boo
08:56 huginn       magnuse: downloading the Perl source
08:56 magnuse      @wunder boo
08:56 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 02, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:56 magnuse      yay
08:59 mveron       @wunder Allschwil
08:59 huginn       mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 6.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 02, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
09:02 * mveron     counts: Still 8 C4::Dates removal bugs left to sign-off for finally having Bug 12072
09:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy
09:09 paul_p       rangi = I'm very happy for NZ & all Blacks. (and not very happy with the lack of "french flair" we had during this RWC :\ )
09:30 magnuse      ooh, book about Dancer on kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1856511822/perldancer-book
09:53 drojf        hi #koha
09:54 magnuse      moin drojf
09:55 drojf        hei magnuse
10:00 atheia
10:00 atheia       [Fri Oct 30 2015]
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10:01 atheia       <Francesca> happy (almost) halloween #koha, I decorated:
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10:01 atheia       <cait> very pretty :)  [11:51]
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10:02 atheia       <drojf> hi #koha
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10:02 atheia       <drojf> huh what happened to bz? :D  [12:30]
10:02 atheia       <drojf> heh, and we got a halloween dashboard, awesome!  [12:34]
10:02 atheia       <drojf> rangi++
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10:02 atheia       <cdickinson> drojf: Francesca reskinned it and rangi pushed it up this morning
10:02 cdickinson   someone make it stop
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10:02 atheia       <drojf> Francesca++  [12:40]
10:02 atheia       <liw> Francesca++  [12:41]
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10:02 atheia       <Joubu> mveron-away: the problem on bug 15087 makes me nervous  [12:57]
10:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15087 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , hardduedate should not be inserted as 0000-00-00 but NULL
10:02 atheia       <huginn> Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15087
10:02 atheia       critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Fix
10:02 huginn       04Bug 15087: critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , hardduedate should not be inserted as 0000-00-00 but NULL
10:03 atheia       GetHardDueDate return value
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10:40 mveron       Hi again...
11:26 Traumatan    hello koha-people, I recently suffer a lot trying to got our sip server working. Can anybody point me to a ressource which explains setting it up and the error codes?
11:52 drojf        why are SRU servers hardcoded to biblio search?
12:10 magnuse      because its more fun that way?
12:27 tcohen       hi
12:27 wahanui      que tal, tcohen
12:29 magnuse      kia ora tcohen
12:30 drojf        magnuse: not if i want to use it for authority data? :P
12:31 barton       morning #koha!
12:33 magnuse      ok, maybe not more fun, but more interesting
12:35 barton       I have a library that has imported a bunch of marc records with humongous 500$a subfields (there are about 80 records with 500 tags exceeding 10 000 bytes). This is causing a full zebra re-index to fail. What's the maximum size for 500$a? (or perhaps, more generally, the maximum size for a marc subfield?)
12:37 tcohen       barton, are you reindexing with -x?
12:38 barton       tcohen, let me see...
13:06 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
13:09 nengard      hola mt
13:09 nengard      or :)
13:09 nengard      hola mtompset
13:10 mtompset     nengard: That's quite a few greetings. Are you a robot today? :)
13:10 nengard      No, I'm a tired person who can't type :)
13:11 xarragon     Hmm, where can I find tarballs of translations?
13:11 xarragon     I found the raw .po files..
13:23 magnuse      xarragon: the files are on pootle, you can download .zip, not sure about .tar
13:34 xarragon     magnuse: I just need something that the installer can handle, alternatively just manually copy it into position,
13:36 xarragon     Hm, seems like you can actually just download the PO files put it into 'translator/po'.
13:38 mtompset     nengard: A tired person is a robot. ;)
13:39 mtompset     tired person?
13:39 wahanui      it has been said that tired person is a robot. ;)
13:39 mtompset     wahanui forget tired person
13:39 wahanui      mtompset: I forgot tired person
13:41 xarragon     Hmm, another "translation installer" script? tmpl_process3.pl?
13:42 xarragon     Ah, for older versions I guess.
13:42 xarragon     Ah, and the .po files is what I am supposed to feed em, not the archive. Then I am all set.
13:46 magnuse      xarragon: yeah, you can just use the .po files
14:02 xarragon     magnuse: Hm, seems like I have a bunch of .po's in my gitified install already
14:02 xarragon     magnuse: Under '/var/koha/Koha/misc/translator/po'
14:04 xarragon     magnuse: Ah, which is actually said on the wiki as well.
14:11 xarragon     Well, installing additional languages was ridiculusly easy it turned out.
14:11 xarragon     Props to Koha
14:20 tcohen       mtompset++
14:20 tcohen       first one to assign himself a bug
14:21 mtompset     Ah.
14:21 mtompset     tcohen: Is there a way to format a date in the Template and NOT the perl code?
14:21 tcohen       $KohaDate
14:22 tcohen       mtompset: have you filled a bug for kohadevbox:ansible to run on windows?
14:22 mtompset     No.
14:22 mtompset     Like I said... I'm not touching plack.
14:22 mtompset     Too hard.
14:22 mtompset     Head pounding with sinus headache.
14:22 mtompset     Too much else to do. :)
14:23 tcohen       mtompset: it is not plack-only
14:23 tcohen       anyway: [% USE KohaDates %] and then [% value | $KohaDates %]
14:25 mtompset     I'm not touching kohadevbox (it's plack in my mind)
14:26 tcohen       it is not plack: it is having a clean env for working on Koha. It is not mandatory, though. Only comfortable
14:28 mtompset     plack is the only reason I looked at it. ;)
14:30 tcohen       ok, kohadebbox == plack, got it :-P
14:42 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14773: Move help link back out of the dropdown menu <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47e2b8f7d8360c059a66032f80dbb5f68b8fa925> / Bug 15073: Move FeeOnChangePatronCategory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f55d55e68c83aaf916640ad098d256830408314> / Bug 15090: Fix date filter for Suggestions management <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi
15:44 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10904: DBRev 3.21.00.047 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce23235ec5229a2b6bb287014674fc856fad7084> / Bug 10904: (QA followup) Use branch limit if either IndependentBranches or Independen... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=11bfcd0dd621fe0dfd3e058b6461e36d4db59454> / Bug 10904: (QA followup) would like to limit patron update request management by... <http:/
15:46 wilfrid      salut tout le monde
15:47 mtompset     Bonjour, wilfrid. :)
16:05 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14978: DBRev 3.21.00.048 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=413cf2d3108542ad32efaad0e2aa6d56beb03066> / Bug 14978: Add unique key constraint on issues.itemnumber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e1d8d8c5e357a56f88c78eca52ccbb37902d43c> / Bug 14589: Adjust authorities_merge_ajax and replace some indirect syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.gi
16:11 xarragon     Hmm, when I install languages it seems like the template files are.. copied from en and written to new files?
16:12 xarragon     'en' being the default language.. Because now i all of a sudden have multiple copies of my new template file I was working on, which was a bit confusing.
16:38 reiveune     bye
16:43 nengard_cafe I might alone in this, but this one http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15091 seems kind of like a serious issue in master
16:43 huginn       04Bug 15091: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Batch Checkout Doesn't Tell You it Failed
16:43 nengard_cafe and I'm not sure how to fix it
17:14 mtompset     @later tell tcohen sudo apt-get install linux-headers* -- back to failed ansible.
17:14 huginn       mtompset: The operation succeeded.
17:18 mveron-away  Good evening or daytime #koha
17:18 nengard_cafe @later tell tcohen I might alone in this, but this one http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15091 seems kind of like a serious issue in master
17:18 huginn       nengard_cafe: The operation succeeded.
17:18 huginn       04Bug 15091: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Batch Checkout Doesn't Tell You it Failed
18:40 magnuse      xarragon: right you are running something like "koha-translate -i nb-NO" creates a new set of translated templates
18:40 magnuse      s/are/are\./
18:44 tcohen       @later tell Joubu please check 5b521eb394771ee305777f0b44098be5fdd11cc7 broke t/db_dependent/Barcodes.t
18:44 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
19:35 * cait       waves
19:35 * wnickc     waves
19:39 * nengard    waves
19:42 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
19:42 mtompset     tcohen: I'm back. :)
19:46 rangi        morning
19:46 nengard      afternoon :)
19:57 cait         evening
20:13 wizzyrea     @later tell tcohen I have something for you to play with at taiga.koha-community.org, if you ever have a minute ever again. :)
20:13 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:21 mveron       mtompset ++ for commenting on Bug 14946
20:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from files acqui/*.pl
20:21 mtompset     Thanks.
20:22 mtompset     Ah, you have an update.
20:22 mtompset     I'll look at it later. :)
20:22 mveron       Great :-)
20:42 mveron       nengard: Thanks for testing Bug 14948  :-)   - I re-tested and I could not reproduce your issue (after a full browser reload).
20:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Failed QA , Display amounts right aligned in tables on patron pages
20:43 nengard      maybe it was a cache issue - let me try again
20:43 mveron       Thanks :-)
20:47 nengard      mveron signed off :)
20:47 nengard      sorry about that
20:48 mveron       nengard: No problem :-) Thanks for signing off.
21:05 pianohacker  hi
21:05 wahanui      hola, pianohacker
21:05 pianohacker  hi
21:15 eythian      hi
21:17 eythian      no wahanui, trello is frowned upon.
21:17 wahanui      okay, eythian.
21:26 wizzyrea     hm, is there a reason not to have the daemon be the default real time index update method?
21:27 pianohacker  rumor in these parts is that it used to be buggy, may be better now
21:28 wizzyrea     did "these parts" file a bug for the issues?
21:28 cait         i think that is the old daemon
21:28 cait         pianohacker thinks about
21:28 cait         not the new one
21:29 pianohacker  wizzyrea: not sure :)
21:29 cait         and... ignore me if i don't make sense :) long day here
21:29 pianohacker  potato potato potato
21:30 rangi        i haven't heard any issues with the new daemon, it used to be hard to install, but now it's packaged, not a problem
21:30 eythian      what's the third one?
21:30 wahanui      i heard the third one was opaque.. did you miss out streetaddress because it should be deleted.. or because you forgot to set it
21:35 wizzyrea     just wondering if we should switch fully over to it
21:35 wizzyrea     for new installs.
21:36 pianohacker  good way to work out any remaining bugs
21:36 rangi        i think it will become the default at some point
21:36 rangi        prolly 3.24
21:38 nengard      maybe 3.24 can be 4.0? this numbers is getting silly
21:38 nengard      I had someone tell me they were on 3.2 the other day
21:38 wizzyrea     no 4.
21:38 nengard      meaning 3.20
21:38 nengard      why not 4 wizzyrea
21:38 wizzyrea     4 is confusing for people who use not-koha
21:39 nengard      then 24
21:39 nengard      I don't care as long as it's not 3.xx anymore
21:39 nengard      I'm not picky about what it is as long as it's no 3.xx
21:39 nengard      :)
21:39 * eythian    is sorta pro dated releases, but it gets tricky having multiple release streams
21:40 pianohacker  we could always just rename Koha to C4 and start a new set of versions
21:40 nengard      Cute names like debian or android
21:40 nengard      we can go with ice cream flavors :) hehe
21:40 pianohacker  I would love named versions!
21:40 nengard      hush pianohacker
21:40 nengard      to the c4 thing
21:40 nengard      not the named thing
21:40 nengard      hehe
21:40 rangi        that only works for the major version
21:40 nengard      true
21:40 nengard      i go back to numbers
21:41 nengard      just not 3.x numbers :) hehe
21:41 pianohacker  koha rocky road point 4
21:41 nengard      LOL
21:41 nengard      koha mint chip 5
21:41 rangi        and we do about 18 times as many minor versions as we do major versions
21:41 rangi        for every release
21:42 pianohacker  chrome/firefox style versioning?
21:42 eythian      tbh, people are going to get confused about version numbers no matter what
21:42 pianohacker  aka delete the major version
21:42 wizzyrea     16.5 (for y16m5) and 16.11 (for y16m11) for may and novermber releases
21:42 nengard      oooo
21:43 wizzyrea     novermber
21:43 wizzyrea     that is not fight
21:43 nengard      meme
21:43 nengard      hehe
21:43 pianohacker  yeah, eythian, but we have the option of switching before we get as far as linux 2 did :)
21:43 wizzyrea     nor right.
21:43 nengard      neither of us can type
21:43 eythian      wizzyrea: you'll have to adapt that for minors, but that's perhaps not a biggie
21:43 wizzyrea     add a 3rd number?
21:44 pianohacker  3.24.0.9.6.2
21:44 wizzyrea     start minors at 0, like we do now is what I'd do if it were me and I had decided to use that scheme.
21:44 pianohacker  windows style versioning
21:44 wizzyrea     it's not me. and we'll never decide.
21:44 wizzyrea     ^.^
21:44 rangi        rm just changes the number
21:44 rangi        easiest way
21:44 wahanui      rumour has it easiest way is probably to reload the MARC frameworks
21:45 rangi        there is no need to have a vote on it
21:45 wizzyrea     agreedf.
21:45 wizzyrea     good lord what is wrong with my fingers today
21:45 rangi        ultimately its about the least important thing
21:45 cait         would date based be like for ubuntu?
21:46 wizzyrea     it would be like ubuntu, and mahara
21:46 wizzyrea     and probably heaps others.
21:46 cait         hm sounds okto me
21:46 wizzyrea     @later tell francesca I like the green on bugzilla it's cheerful :)
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21:48 mveron       Good night / daytime #koha
21:48 misilot      we should use semver :)
21:48 misilot      http://semver.org/
21:49 eythian      misilot: what defines an API on a product that's primarily used by people?
21:50 eythian      > Software using Semantic Versioning MUST declare a public API. This API could be declared in the code itself or exist strictly in documentation. However it is done, it should be precise and comprehensive.
21:50 eythian      that would be ... difficult
21:50 misilot      eythian: maybe. unfortunately i have to run to class
21:51 wizzyrea     partly we haven't made any changes that feel monumental enough to change our major version
21:51 wizzyrea     surely we've made lots of changes
21:51 wizzyrea     elasticsearch would be a good one
21:51 cait         i think theproblem with 4... is that someone else has used those
21:52 wizzyrea     oh we're not going to use 4
21:52 wizzyrea     4 is right out.
21:52 wizzyrea     better to skip to something outrageous like the year :)
21:52 cait         yah
21:53 eythian      though, I haven't seen anyone asking about a 4 for a while.
21:54 wizzyrea     it is I think going the way of the dodo
21:54 eythian      skipping it is still nicer, as it'll reduce the chance of people thinking that that is the latest version because of someone else playing silly buggers with numbers.
21:54 wizzyrea     "in the game of things-that-are-not-koha survivor, real koha always outlasts."
22:20 pianohacker  the whole API discussion for semver seems much more tuned to libraries (.so's) than end-user software
22:21 eythian      yeah
22:21 eythian      that's my impression too
22:22 pianohacker  and the sort of things that would make us bump a major are much more along the lines of features / new ways of doing things (elastic, pg support, etc.) than API changes
22:24 rangi        i reckon date is the easiest
22:24 rangi        and it makes the point
22:24 rangi        you're running old shit
22:24 wizzyrea     yeah
22:24 rangi        which numbers don't seem to convey
22:24 * cait       agrees and goes to sleep
22:24 wizzyrea     that's what I like about it you can immediately say "that's 2 years old"
22:25 rangi        yep
22:25 dcook        true true
22:27 * dcook      wondered about the not-Koha 4 thing
22:27 rangi        its gone
22:28 rangi        give it a year or 2 to fade, but its bloviation now
22:28 rangi        to bloviate : talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
22:28 rangi        fits well
22:28 wizzyrea     keeke
22:31 eythian      http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.liblime.com <-- can't look up the actual name
22:31 cait         huh
22:31 eythian      oh, it's just really slow
22:31 rangi        that site hasnt been updated in months, maybe years
22:31 cait         i can't get to it
22:31 cait         nor the other.... k.org
22:32 rangi        its all over at the main site, which doesnt even list koha anymore
22:32 pianohacker  koha.org still is up, and was recently renewed unfortunately :/
22:32 pianohacker  was due to expire end of next month
22:32 rangi        yep, they will keep it out of spite im sure
22:32 cait         hm might be something with the hotel wifi
22:32 rangi        just no longer working on the software
22:33 eythian      oh, it's probably on autorenew
22:37 Francesca    @wunder wlg
22:37 huginn       Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on November 03, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
22:58 dcook        Ah, so they re-named all their stuff
22:58 rangi        yup
22:58 dcook        Awesome
22:58 dcook        Interesting that the URL says kohalibrary, of course
22:59 dcook        I see what you mean about a few years though
22:59 eythian      they still talk about koha on some of their sites
22:59 eythian      it's not been a very complete renaming
23:00 dcook        I imagine they might have to keep Koha as a name for a little while
23:00 rangi        most of those dont seem to have been updated in months/years
23:00 rangi        they have quotes from people who arent even their customers anymore
23:00 dcook        I think there were some from last month
23:00 eythian      yeah, they probably have forgotten about them
23:00 eythian      they had a user's group a few days ago though
23:01 rangi        if you look at the pdf on their main site, you'll see that they have moved are moving things to bloviation
23:01 eythian      where they showed a preview of EDS integration :)
23:01 rangi        (the list of clients using it)
23:01 eythian      oh, the users group is coming up next week.
23:01 eythian      someone should register to attend by teleconference :D
23:02 eythian      oh, their CMS is called "knowvation." Now I see their theme.
23:02 eythian      that's also an awkward sounding name
23:11 Francesca    hey eythian you're back!
23:11 eythian      and better than ever.
23:11 Francesca    how was wherever you were?
23:12 eythian      Hobart and Sydney. They were pretty good.