Time Nick Message 00:44 wizzyrea @marc 590 00:44 huginn wizzyrea: unknown tag 590 00:44 wizzyrea ORLY. 00:48 jcamins wahanui: @marc 590 is private note, usually equivalent to an institution-specific 500 note. 00:48 wahanui OK, jcamins. 00:49 wizzyrea we don't even have it in our frameworks, it's obsolete :P 00:51 tcohen hi 00:51 wahanui what's up, tcohen 00:51 wizzyrea hi tcohen 00:51 tcohen hi wizzyrea 00:51 eythian tcohen: what's the bug that goes with that thing you want me to package? 00:51 eythian I'm going to try to do it today 00:52 tcohen it is a side effect of the decision to rely on DBIC to handle the DB handle 00:52 jcamins wizzyrea: no it's not. it's a private field. 00:52 tcohen hi jcamins! 00:52 tcohen eythian: it is related to bug 14778 00:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , DBIC should create/own the DB handler 00:52 eythian ta 00:53 jcamins Which isn't to say that using it isn't in terribly poor taste. It's just not obsolete. 00:53 tcohen we need to get rid of DBI::Mock 00:53 jcamins :) 00:53 jcamins tcohen: hello! 00:53 wizzyrea http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd59x.html < says obsolete, and is local use. 00:53 tcohen jcamins: remember for them is monday morning 00:53 tcohen don't be rude 00:53 eythian tcohen: afternoon already :) 00:53 wizzyrea ^.^ 00:54 * tcohen misses unity's dropdown calendar 00:55 tcohen with all timezones I need 00:55 wizzyrea ALL OF THEM. 00:55 wizzyrea :) 00:55 wizzyrea koha development never sleeps. 00:56 tcohen for me is "europe", "kyle's" and "kiwis" 00:56 tcohen heh 00:56 wizzyrea hehehe everything else is "sometime in between those" 00:56 tcohen definitely 00:56 tcohen ntw, a guy who's been in nz recently 00:57 tcohen told me kiwis is not a gentle way to refer to people? 00:57 eythian dunno where he went 00:57 eythian it's perfectly fine 00:57 * wizzyrea defers to actual kiwis 00:57 tcohen not wellington evidently 00:57 rangi someone was probably making it up 00:57 eythian or anywhere else I've lived :) 00:57 tcohen ah, that's sure 00:58 rangi messing with tourists is a past time 00:58 wizzyrea (though I can't think of a single place I've been where people wouldn't have referred to themselves as "kiwis" 00:58 wizzyrea ) 00:58 wizzyrea ^^^ 00:58 eythian it's true 00:58 wahanui I read it on the internet! 00:58 tcohen hehe 00:58 tcohen so my tweet about a global bug squashing week 00:58 wizzyrea yes tell us more. 00:59 eythian https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/2nem47/can_you_have_a_garden_in_new_zealand/ <-- this is a classic example 00:59 tcohen i've set a Trello board with bugs that *we* find important for the release 00:59 eythian tcohen: I'm sure I've talked to you before about trello 00:59 tcohen yeah, OpenBoard 00:59 tcohen hm, not, there was another one 01:00 tcohen anyway 01:00 eythian I use taigo.io 01:00 tcohen the point is try to do this week 01:00 eythian err 01:00 eythian taiga 01:00 wizzyrea taiga 01:00 tcohen that we always talk about: working together (somehow) 01:01 tcohen we have a complicated starman-related bug, which I expect to tackle with a hangout session with dobrica and jonathan 01:01 tcohen (we worked 3 hours on it with jonathan un-successfuly) 01:01 tcohen and there are other things that can be problematic 01:01 tcohen the point is trying to focus on that this week 01:01 tcohen while the rest of the enh are pushed 01:02 tcohen I've listed things, and Katrin added some too 01:02 tcohen if you want/can do something about any of those, just put your name on it 01:02 tcohen and ask for help if needed 01:02 tcohen or peer review, whatever 01:02 eythian you're also assuming we're all on twitter, btw :) 01:03 tcohen ah, of course 01:03 tcohen you all use trello and twitter 01:03 wizzyrea taiga* 01:03 tcohen i forgot to send an email about this 01:03 tcohen taiga.io 01:03 tcohen damn 01:04 tcohen yeah, there is a Koha Community project in Taiga too 01:04 tcohen I just used what I had at hand 01:04 tcohen anyway 01:05 tcohen if you don't have a trello user, just pass me your email and I invite you to the board 01:05 eythian We were looking in to setting up a taiga instance for the community, not sure where it's at though. 01:05 eythian tcohen: that's not exactly the point 01:05 eythian using proprietary software to manage free software is a bad idea. 01:06 tcohen https://tree.taiga.io/project/koha-ils/ 01:06 tcohen eythian: I know 01:06 tcohen it is only for this week 01:06 eythian the taiga link doesn't work, btw 01:06 eythian (permission denied) 01:07 tcohen I'm not sure taiga will work for a project like Koha 01:07 tcohen but, anyway 01:07 eythian dcook: I think I should have given that talk after all, recorded it, and posted it here :) 01:07 tcohen I'm sure someone will make it work 01:08 tcohen i don't have the time to do it unfortunately 01:08 tcohen i can't even manage people to fix their broken tests once jenkins alerts them :-D 01:08 eythian heh 01:09 * tcohen didn't know Ian was born in cait's city 01:09 eythian presumably there's not much difference between doing it in trello vs. taiga. They do similar things, aiui 01:09 eythian which Ian? 01:10 tcohen eythian: taiga is way better, but it assumes you are a team 01:10 tcohen well, nevermind didn't want to discuss the proposed workflows for each tool 01:10 tcohen eythian: Debrah's boyfriend? 01:11 eythian who is Debrah? 01:11 rangi from debian eythian 01:11 eythian oh right 01:11 tcohen Ian Murdock 01:11 wizzyrea I always feel a bit bad for them 01:12 tcohen Ian Murdock, Katrin Fischer, that's an important city! 01:12 wizzyrea though, I suppose it's nice that a part of what you created together outlived your togetherness? 01:12 wizzyrea (kind of like having kids, really.) 01:13 cait huh? 01:13 wizzyrea debian named for "debrah" and "Ian" and I guess they broke up? 01:13 tcohen wizzyrea: they did 01:14 tcohen cait: don't you ever sleep? 01:14 wizzyrea cait: go to bed 01:14 wizzyrea :) 01:14 tcohen cait: I've just noticed the Debian creator was born in Konstanz 01:16 tcohen from the bug list, we really need help on Bug 15030 01:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15030 blocker, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Certain values in serials' items are lost on next edit 01:16 tcohen sorry 01:16 tcohen not that one :-D 01:16 tcohen bug 15032 01:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import 01:17 cait tcohen: ah strange :) I wasn't born here tho 01:17 tcohen we reproduced it, consistently, in kohadevbox 01:17 tcohen might be related to a starman bug, an integration problem (the passed options for starman in koha-plack scripts) 01:18 tcohen the import "works" 01:19 tcohen and warn'ing the respose on each background-job.pl call (from the UI) shows good data 01:19 tcohen but there is an "Internal server error" on the last call 01:19 tcohen and we have no clue 01:20 tcohen and fear it could have consequences on another pieces of Koha 01:36 tcohen we should put libreboard in board.koha-community.org 01:36 tcohen and solve the authentication integration challenge 01:36 tcohen and that'd work for all of us I think 01:40 tcohen bye 01:42 eythian https://github.com/wekan/wekan/issues/92 <-- erk, libreboard actually took trello's css and checked it in to their git. That's crossing a wrong line, imo. 01:45 rangi i still like taiga better anyway 01:46 * dcook starts reading the scrollback 01:53 dcook eythian: You should've totally done that talk, recorded it, and pasted it here :p 01:53 eythian I shoulda 03:56 wizzyrea annoying thing: documentation says "this is optional" when optional step supports core functionality. 03:56 wizzyrea silly. 06:24 balvis how to find out the number of records imported from .sql file? 06:28 * balvis slaps Oak around a bit with a large fishbot 06:28 Oak how rude. 06:29 balvis sorry.wrongly clicked 06:29 Oak :) 06:30 balvis how to find out the number of records imported from .sql file? 06:31 Oak in Koha? you imported an sql file directly in the database? 06:31 balvis yes. using $ mysql -uroot -p books < koha.sql command 06:35 Oak never tried it. may be use the verbose mode http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysql-command-options.html#option_mysql_verbose 06:37 Oak by 'record's if you mean book records (and book items) then I think one should be doing this http://manual.koha-community.org/3.20/en/stagemarc.html 07:02 Oak magnuse 07:13 magnuse Oak 07:13 magnuse \o/ 07:13 Oak \o/ 07:42 reiveune hello 07:55 alex_a bonjour 08:12 gaetan_B hello 08:37 mveron Hi again #koha 08:37 mveron Trello? 08:37 wahanui Trello is, like, great for this sort of thing 08:38 mveron wahanui ++ :-) 08:56 magnuse @wuner boo 08:56 huginn magnuse: downloading the Perl source 08:56 magnuse @wunder boo 08:56 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 02, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). 08:56 magnuse yay 08:59 mveron @wunder Allschwil 08:59 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 6.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 02, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 09:02 * mveron counts: Still 8 C4::Dates removal bugs left to sign-off for finally having Bug 12072 09:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy 09:09 paul_p rangi = I'm very happy for NZ & all Blacks. (and not very happy with the lack of "french flair" we had during this RWC :\ ) 09:30 magnuse ooh, book about Dancer on kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1856511822/perldancer-book 09:53 drojf hi #koha 09:54 magnuse moin drojf 09:55 drojf hei magnuse 10:00 atheia 10:00 atheia [Fri Oct 30 2015] 10:00 atheia *** You have joined channel #koha [11:33] 10:00 atheia *** Topic for #koha: Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org 10:00 atheia | Code of conduct - 10:00 atheia http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/ | Please use 10:00 atheia http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha 10:00 atheia is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 10:00 atheia *** #koha: topic set by huginn!~supybot@www.librarypolice.com, 2015-10-15 10:00 atheia 00:06:54 10:00 atheia *** Users on #koha: atheia saiful paul_p andreashm cait fridolin alex_a 10:00 atheia magnuse sophie_m gaetan_B saiful2 reiveune laurence hyvaria cdickinson 10:00 atheia irma BobB mveron-away bag khall_away z0k_ xarragon @chris_n @gmcharlt 10:00 atheia huginn ashimema burdsjm trea cbrannon lari Stompro ribasushi barton|away 10:00 atheia Callender jeff ibeardslee rangi misilot logbot jcamins wahanui pastebot 10:00 atheia phasefx dbs kivilahtio matts mtj @wizzyrea alohalog` liw janPasi eythian 10:00 atheia slef bumby druthb_away Sirenia bshum kmlussier dojobo 10:00 atheia *** Users on #koha: JesseM_away jenkins_koha sad-hu clrh jajm Joubu fredericd 10:01 atheia *** #koha modes: +n 10:01 atheia *** #koha was created on 2011-01-31 19:20:37 10:01 atheia *** khall_away (~khall@dynamic-acs-24-144-207-254.zoominternet.net) is now 10:01 atheia known as khall 10:01 atheia *** saiful2 (~saiful@123.201.54.97) has quit: Ping timeout: 480 seconds 10:01 atheia [11:36] 10:01 atheia *** Francesca (~Francesca@121-73-130-228.cable.telstraclear.net) has joined 10:01 atheia channel #koha [11:42] 10:01 atheia <Francesca> happy (almost) halloween #koha, I decorated: 10:01 atheia http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ [11:43] 10:01 atheia <cait> very pretty :) [11:51] 10:01 atheia *** matts (~matts@home.veggie.fr) is now known as matts_away [12:04] 10:01 atheia *** alex_a_ (~alex_a@109.94.33.112) has joined channel #koha [12:09] 10:01 atheia *** alex_a (~alex_a@109.94.33.112) has quit: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [12:13] 10:01 atheia *** alex_a (~alex_a@109.94.33.112) has joined channel #koha [12:19] 10:01 atheia *** Francesca (~Francesca@121-73-130-228.cable.telstraclear.net) has quit: 10:01 atheia Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 10:01 atheia *** alex_a_ (~alex_a@109.94.33.112) has quit: Ping timeout: 480 seconds 10:01 atheia [12:23] 10:01 atheia *** drojf (~mirko@pd95cdee4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined channel #koha 10:02 atheia [12:28] 10:02 atheia <drojf> hi #koha 10:02 atheia *** barton|away (~barton@cpe-74-141-156-175.kya.res.rr.com) is now known as 10:02 atheia barton [12:29] 10:02 atheia <drojf> huh what happened to bz? :D [12:30] 10:02 atheia <drojf> heh, and we got a halloween dashboard, awesome! [12:34] 10:02 atheia <drojf> rangi++ 10:02 atheia *** meliss (~meliss@c-50-176-200-64.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has joined channel 10:02 atheia #koha [12:36] 10:02 atheia <cdickinson> drojf: Francesca reskinned it and rangi pushed it up this morning 10:02 cdickinson someone make it stop 10:02 atheia [12:37] 10:02 atheia <drojf> Francesca++ [12:40] 10:02 atheia <liw> Francesca++ [12:41] 10:02 atheia *** andreashm (~oftc-webi@submvr1781.intranet.sub.su.se) has quit: Ping 10:02 atheia timeout: 480 seconds [12:49] 10:02 atheia *** saiful2 (~saiful@219.91.146.173) has joined channel #koha [12:50] 10:02 atheia *** saiful (~saiful@61.3.102.46) has quit: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [12:54] 10:02 atheia <Joubu> mveron-away: the problem on bug 15087 makes me nervous [12:57] 10:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15087 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , hardduedate should not be inserted as 0000-00-00 but NULL 10:02 atheia <huginn> Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15087 10:02 atheia critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Fix 10:02 huginn 04Bug 15087: critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , hardduedate should not be inserted as 0000-00-00 but NULL 10:03 atheia GetHardDueDate return value 10:03 atheia *** druthb_away (~druthb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fee4:c03e) is now known as 10:03 atheia druthb [13:05] 10:03 atheia <magnuse> atheia: sorry, i was afk for a bit [13:09] 10:03 atheia <atheia> magnuse: No problem, let's chat now. [13:15] 10:03 atheia *** tcohen (~tcohen@proxy.unc.edu.ar) has joined channel #koha [13:23] 10:03 atheia *** NateC (~nathancur@ool-43505481.dyn.optonline.net) has joined channel #koha 10:40 mveron Hi again... 11:26 Traumatan hello koha-people, I recently suffer a lot trying to got our sip server working. Can anybody point me to a ressource which explains setting it up and the error codes? 11:52 drojf why are SRU servers hardcoded to biblio search? 12:10 magnuse because its more fun that way? 12:27 tcohen hi 12:27 wahanui que tal, tcohen 12:29 magnuse kia ora tcohen 12:30 drojf magnuse: not if i want to use it for authority data? :P 12:31 barton morning #koha! 12:33 magnuse ok, maybe not more fun, but more interesting 12:35 barton I have a library that has imported a bunch of marc records with humongous 500$a subfields (there are about 80 records with 500 tags exceeding 10 000 bytes). This is causing a full zebra re-index to fail. What's the maximum size for 500$a? (or perhaps, more generally, the maximum size for a marc subfield?) 12:37 tcohen barton, are you reindexing with -x? 12:38 barton tcohen, let me see... 13:06 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:09 nengard hola mt 13:09 nengard or :) 13:09 nengard hola mtompset 13:10 mtompset nengard: That's quite a few greetings. Are you a robot today? :) 13:10 nengard No, I'm a tired person who can't type :) 13:11 xarragon Hmm, where can I find tarballs of translations? 13:11 xarragon I found the raw .po files.. 13:23 magnuse xarragon: the files are on pootle, you can download .zip, not sure about .tar 13:34 xarragon magnuse: I just need something that the installer can handle, alternatively just manually copy it into position, 13:36 xarragon Hm, seems like you can actually just download the PO files put it into 'translator/po'. 13:38 mtompset nengard: A tired person is a robot. ;) 13:39 mtompset tired person? 13:39 wahanui it has been said that tired person is a robot. ;) 13:39 mtompset wahanui forget tired person 13:39 wahanui mtompset: I forgot tired person 13:41 xarragon Hmm, another "translation installer" script? tmpl_process3.pl? 13:42 xarragon Ah, for older versions I guess. 13:42 xarragon Ah, and the .po files is what I am supposed to feed em, not the archive. Then I am all set. 13:46 magnuse xarragon: yeah, you can just use the .po files 14:02 xarragon magnuse: Hm, seems like I have a bunch of .po's in my gitified install already 14:02 xarragon magnuse: Under '/var/koha/Koha/misc/translator/po' 14:04 xarragon magnuse: Ah, which is actually said on the wiki as well. 14:11 xarragon Well, installing additional languages was ridiculusly easy it turned out. 14:11 xarragon Props to Koha 14:20 tcohen mtompset++ 14:20 tcohen first one to assign himself a bug 14:21 mtompset Ah. 14:21 mtompset tcohen: Is there a way to format a date in the Template and NOT the perl code? 14:21 tcohen $KohaDate 14:22 tcohen mtompset: have you filled a bug for kohadevbox:ansible to run on windows? 14:22 mtompset No. 14:22 mtompset Like I said... I'm not touching plack. 14:22 mtompset Too hard. 14:22 mtompset Head pounding with sinus headache. 14:22 mtompset Too much else to do. :) 14:23 tcohen mtompset: it is not plack-only 14:23 tcohen anyway: [% USE KohaDates %] and then [% value | $KohaDates %] 14:25 mtompset I'm not touching kohadevbox (it's plack in my mind) 14:26 tcohen it is not plack: it is having a clean env for working on Koha. It is not mandatory, though. Only comfortable 14:28 mtompset plack is the only reason I looked at it. ;) 14:30 tcohen ok, kohadebbox == plack, got it :-P 14:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14773: Move help link back out of the dropdown menu <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47e2b8f7d8360c059a66032f80dbb5f68b8fa925> / Bug 15073: Move FeeOnChangePatronCategory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f55d55e68c83aaf916640ad098d256830408314> / Bug 15090: Fix date filter for Suggestions management <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi 15:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10904: DBRev 3.21.00.047 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce23235ec5229a2b6bb287014674fc856fad7084> / Bug 10904: (QA followup) Use branch limit if either IndependentBranches or Independen... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=11bfcd0dd621fe0dfd3e058b6461e36d4db59454> / Bug 10904: (QA followup) would like to limit patron update request management by... <http:/ 15:46 wilfrid salut tout le monde 15:47 mtompset Bonjour, wilfrid. :) 16:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14978: DBRev 3.21.00.048 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=413cf2d3108542ad32efaad0e2aa6d56beb03066> / Bug 14978: Add unique key constraint on issues.itemnumber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e1d8d8c5e357a56f88c78eca52ccbb37902d43c> / Bug 14589: Adjust authorities_merge_ajax and replace some indirect syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.gi 16:11 xarragon Hmm, when I install languages it seems like the template files are.. copied from en and written to new files? 16:12 xarragon 'en' being the default language.. Because now i all of a sudden have multiple copies of my new template file I was working on, which was a bit confusing. 16:38 reiveune bye 16:43 nengard_cafe I might alone in this, but this one http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15091 seems kind of like a serious issue in master 16:43 huginn 04Bug 15091: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Batch Checkout Doesn't Tell You it Failed 16:43 nengard_cafe and I'm not sure how to fix it 17:14 mtompset @later tell tcohen sudo apt-get install linux-headers* -- back to failed ansible. 17:14 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 17:18 mveron-away Good evening or daytime #koha 17:18 nengard_cafe @later tell tcohen I might alone in this, but this one http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15091 seems kind of like a serious issue in master 17:18 huginn nengard_cafe: The operation succeeded. 17:18 huginn 04Bug 15091: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Batch Checkout Doesn't Tell You it Failed 18:40 magnuse xarragon: right you are running something like "koha-translate -i nb-NO" creates a new set of translated templates 18:40 magnuse s/are/are\./ 18:44 tcohen @later tell Joubu please check 5b521eb394771ee305777f0b44098be5fdd11cc7 broke t/db_dependent/Barcodes.t 18:44 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 19:35 * cait waves 19:35 * wnickc waves 19:39 * nengard waves 19:42 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 19:42 mtompset tcohen: I'm back. :) 19:46 rangi morning 19:46 nengard afternoon :) 19:57 cait evening 20:13 wizzyrea @later tell tcohen I have something for you to play with at taiga.koha-community.org, if you ever have a minute ever again. :) 20:13 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 20:21 mveron mtompset ++ for commenting on Bug 14946 20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from files acqui/*.pl 20:21 mtompset Thanks. 20:22 mtompset Ah, you have an update. 20:22 mtompset I'll look at it later. :) 20:22 mveron Great :-) 20:42 mveron nengard: Thanks for testing Bug 14948 :-) - I re-tested and I could not reproduce your issue (after a full browser reload). 20:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Failed QA , Display amounts right aligned in tables on patron pages 20:43 nengard maybe it was a cache issue - let me try again 20:43 mveron Thanks :-) 20:47 nengard mveron signed off :) 20:47 nengard sorry about that 20:48 mveron nengard: No problem :-) Thanks for signing off. 21:05 pianohacker hi 21:05 wahanui hola, pianohacker 21:05 pianohacker hi 21:15 eythian hi 21:17 eythian no wahanui, trello is frowned upon. 21:17 wahanui okay, eythian. 21:26 wizzyrea hm, is there a reason not to have the daemon be the default real time index update method? 21:27 pianohacker rumor in these parts is that it used to be buggy, may be better now 21:28 wizzyrea did "these parts" file a bug for the issues? 21:28 cait i think that is the old daemon 21:28 cait pianohacker thinks about 21:28 cait not the new one 21:29 pianohacker wizzyrea: not sure :) 21:29 cait and... ignore me if i don't make sense :) long day here 21:29 pianohacker potato potato potato 21:30 rangi i haven't heard any issues with the new daemon, it used to be hard to install, but now it's packaged, not a problem 21:30 eythian what's the third one? 21:30 wahanui i heard the third one was opaque.. did you miss out streetaddress because it should be deleted.. or because you forgot to set it 21:35 wizzyrea just wondering if we should switch fully over to it 21:35 wizzyrea for new installs. 21:36 pianohacker good way to work out any remaining bugs 21:36 rangi i think it will become the default at some point 21:36 rangi prolly 3.24 21:38 nengard maybe 3.24 can be 4.0? this numbers is getting silly 21:38 nengard I had someone tell me they were on 3.2 the other day 21:38 wizzyrea no 4. 21:38 nengard meaning 3.20 21:38 nengard why not 4 wizzyrea 21:38 wizzyrea 4 is confusing for people who use not-koha 21:39 nengard then 24 21:39 nengard I don't care as long as it's not 3.xx anymore 21:39 nengard I'm not picky about what it is as long as it's no 3.xx 21:39 nengard :) 21:39 * eythian is sorta pro dated releases, but it gets tricky having multiple release streams 21:40 pianohacker we could always just rename Koha to C4 and start a new set of versions 21:40 nengard Cute names like debian or android 21:40 nengard we can go with ice cream flavors :) hehe 21:40 pianohacker I would love named versions! 21:40 nengard hush pianohacker 21:40 nengard to the c4 thing 21:40 nengard not the named thing 21:40 nengard hehe 21:40 rangi that only works for the major version 21:40 nengard true 21:40 nengard i go back to numbers 21:41 nengard just not 3.x numbers :) hehe 21:41 pianohacker koha rocky road point 4 21:41 nengard LOL 21:41 nengard koha mint chip 5 21:41 rangi and we do about 18 times as many minor versions as we do major versions 21:41 rangi for every release 21:42 pianohacker chrome/firefox style versioning? 21:42 eythian tbh, people are going to get confused about version numbers no matter what 21:42 pianohacker aka delete the major version 21:42 wizzyrea 16.5 (for y16m5) and 16.11 (for y16m11) for may and novermber releases 21:42 nengard oooo 21:43 wizzyrea novermber 21:43 wizzyrea that is not fight 21:43 nengard meme 21:43 nengard hehe 21:43 pianohacker yeah, eythian, but we have the option of switching before we get as far as linux 2 did :) 21:43 wizzyrea nor right. 21:43 nengard neither of us can type 21:43 eythian wizzyrea: you'll have to adapt that for minors, but that's perhaps not a biggie 21:43 wizzyrea add a 3rd number? 21:44 pianohacker 3.24.0.9.6.2 21:44 wizzyrea start minors at 0, like we do now is what I'd do if it were me and I had decided to use that scheme. 21:44 pianohacker windows style versioning 21:44 wizzyrea it's not me. and we'll never decide. 21:44 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:44 rangi rm just changes the number 21:44 rangi easiest way 21:44 wahanui rumour has it easiest way is probably to reload the MARC frameworks 21:45 rangi there is no need to have a vote on it 21:45 wizzyrea agreedf. 21:45 wizzyrea good lord what is wrong with my fingers today 21:45 rangi ultimately its about the least important thing 21:45 cait would date based be like for ubuntu? 21:46 wizzyrea it would be like ubuntu, and mahara 21:46 wizzyrea and probably heaps others. 21:46 cait hm sounds okto me 21:46 wizzyrea @later tell francesca I like the green on bugzilla it's cheerful :) 21:46 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 21:48 mveron Good night / daytime #koha 21:48 misilot we should use semver :) 21:48 misilot http://semver.org/ 21:49 eythian misilot: what defines an API on a product that's primarily used by people? 21:50 eythian > Software using Semantic Versioning MUST declare a public API. This API could be declared in the code itself or exist strictly in documentation. However it is done, it should be precise and comprehensive. 21:50 eythian that would be ... difficult 21:50 misilot eythian: maybe. unfortunately i have to run to class 21:51 wizzyrea partly we haven't made any changes that feel monumental enough to change our major version 21:51 wizzyrea surely we've made lots of changes 21:51 wizzyrea elasticsearch would be a good one 21:51 cait i think theproblem with 4... is that someone else has used those 21:52 wizzyrea oh we're not going to use 4 21:52 wizzyrea 4 is right out. 21:52 wizzyrea better to skip to something outrageous like the year :) 21:52 cait yah 21:53 eythian though, I haven't seen anyone asking about a 4 for a while. 21:54 wizzyrea it is I think going the way of the dodo 21:54 eythian skipping it is still nicer, as it'll reduce the chance of people thinking that that is the latest version because of someone else playing silly buggers with numbers. 21:54 wizzyrea "in the game of things-that-are-not-koha survivor, real koha always outlasts." 22:20 pianohacker the whole API discussion for semver seems much more tuned to libraries (.so's) than end-user software 22:21 eythian yeah 22:21 eythian that's my impression too 22:22 pianohacker and the sort of things that would make us bump a major are much more along the lines of features / new ways of doing things (elastic, pg support, etc.) than API changes 22:24 rangi i reckon date is the easiest 22:24 rangi and it makes the point 22:24 rangi you're running old shit 22:24 wizzyrea yeah 22:24 rangi which numbers don't seem to convey 22:24 * cait agrees and goes to sleep 22:24 wizzyrea that's what I like about it you can immediately say "that's 2 years old" 22:25 rangi yep 22:25 dcook true true 22:27 * dcook wondered about the not-Koha 4 thing 22:27 rangi its gone 22:28 rangi give it a year or 2 to fade, but its bloviation now 22:28 rangi to bloviate : talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way. 22:28 rangi fits well 22:28 wizzyrea keeke 22:31 eythian http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.liblime.com <-- can't look up the actual name 22:31 cait huh 22:31 eythian oh, it's just really slow 22:31 rangi that site hasnt been updated in months, maybe years 22:31 cait i can't get to it 22:31 cait nor the other.... k.org 22:32 rangi its all over at the main site, which doesnt even list koha anymore 22:32 pianohacker koha.org still is up, and was recently renewed unfortunately :/ 22:32 pianohacker was due to expire end of next month 22:32 rangi yep, they will keep it out of spite im sure 22:32 cait hm might be something with the hotel wifi 22:32 rangi just no longer working on the software 22:33 eythian oh, it's probably on autorenew 22:37 Francesca @wunder wlg 22:37 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on November 03, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 22:58 dcook Ah, so they re-named all their stuff 22:58 rangi yup 22:58 dcook Awesome 22:58 dcook Interesting that the URL says kohalibrary, of course 22:59 dcook I see what you mean about a few years though 22:59 eythian they still talk about koha on some of their sites 22:59 eythian it's not been a very complete renaming 23:00 dcook I imagine they might have to keep Koha as a name for a little while 23:00 rangi most of those dont seem to have been updated in months/years 23:00 rangi they have quotes from people who arent even their customers anymore 23:00 dcook I think there were some from last month 23:00 eythian yeah, they probably have forgotten about them 23:00 eythian they had a user's group a few days ago though 23:01 rangi if you look at the pdf on their main site, you'll see that they have moved are moving things to bloviation 23:01 eythian where they showed a preview of EDS integration :) 23:01 rangi (the list of clients using it) 23:01 eythian oh, the users group is coming up next week. 23:01 eythian someone should register to attend by teleconference :D 23:02 eythian oh, their CMS is called "knowvation." Now I see their theme. 23:02 eythian that's also an awkward sounding name 23:11 Francesca hey eythian you're back! 23:11 eythian and better than ever. 23:11 Francesca how was wherever you were? 23:12 eythian Hobart and Sydney. They were pretty good.