Time Nick Message 23:49 tcohen bye everyone, picking the wife at the football training site 23:07 drojf eythian: great, thanks 23:06 eythian that -D DUMP_VHOSTS is super handy, it should be the default thing people are asked to do when they get the wrong site or a "it works" page or whatever 23:05 eythian drojf: back now 23:04 eythian ironically, disabling the default site here is probably the best solution. 23:04 eythian that seems like a flaw in the default config 23:03 eythian and so now that matches the default site. 23:03 eythian I changed the machine name to be fully qualified 23:03 eythian so 23:03 eythian ahh 23:03 eythian oh, I didn't know that 23:02 tcohen always helps 23:02 tcohen apache2ctl -D DUMP_VHOSTS 23:02 drojf i was planning to print shirts with "i a2dissite default" 23:02 eythian that it's not working :) 23:02 tcohen what is the vhost problem? 23:02 eythian nothiong important 23:02 tcohen did i miss something? 23:01 eythian and if anyone tells me to disable the default site, there will be a stabbing. 23:01 tcohen ? 23:01 eythian for some reason the virtual hosting has gone weird 23:00 wahanui I saw it on Digg! 23:00 eythian it's true 22:59 drojf you are just jealous because you are not a Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän 22:59 eythian doesn't help with german. no one can understand that. 22:58 drojf lol 22:58 drojf maybe everything 22:58 drojf true for a lot of things 22:58 eythian so, I've found that the drunker you are, the easier it is to understand 22:57 drojf lol. nobody understands dutch 22:57 drojf "You know you're German when... You understand Dutch just fine, but you pretend you don’t understand a single word of it." 22:57 eythian heh 22:56 drojf that would not have happened with german engineering :D 22:55 eythian I probably broke something 22:55 eythian I was messing with it yesterday 22:55 eythian oh 22:55 eythian hmm 22:55 drojf http://elasticsearch.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 22:54 eythian drojf: ...no? 22:54 drojf eythian: is the catalyst ES demo gone? and the fancy NYTProf thingy too 22:54 eythian here ~3 pages is normal 22:54 pianohacker stay frosty 22:54 pianohacker be back much later 22:54 pianohacker heh, where you get subtly and implicitly accused of being an egotistical bastard if you have a resume longer than a page in the states :) 22:54 cait so you were not organisiert! 22:54 drojf cait: i would have been pünktlich if i had noted it somewhere 22:53 drojf as someone who just updated his CV, that is pretty accurate 22:53 drojf "Your CV is not just a summary of your work experience, but rather a book depicting everything about your personal life, details about your children, your political interests, the names and professions of your parents and everything else you ever did in your entire life." 22:52 cait ... i think afer missing 3 meetings in a week... he might not be german after all :P 22:51 eythian http://youknowyouregermanwhen.com/ <-- drojf, I sent it to cait already :) 22:51 drojf eythian: thanks! 22:51 eythian good work drojf :) 22:48 drojf did i miss the third meeting within a week? wow 22:47 drojf hi #koha 22:23 eythian yeah, if we can be sure that it won't cause zebra breakage, but could be mostly functional, then it might be feasible. 22:23 wnickc g'night all 22:22 bag eythian++ 22:22 bag thanks man - I’m a little more encouraged about what you said about ES and some prospect of 3.22 inculsion 22:22 bag eythian++ 22:20 kathryn will be watching out for the next installment... 22:15 bag well we just scored the owners phone number yesterday - we did threaten calling him if they don’t respond 22:14 bag agreed 22:14 kathryn bag heya...yeah... 22:14 liz seems like overdrive's customers need to contact them and say "get off your butts and help these people or we'll cancel" 22:13 bag sigh 22:13 bag but it’s useless 22:13 bag hey kathryn we just got a message from overdrive 22:13 mtj hey, bag.. yeah 22:12 bag makes sense mason 22:12 mtompset So I have to finish my current problem before November 26. :) 22:12 bag hiya mtj 22:12 mtj peeps, i think i might step down from 3.16.x rmaint, when 3.22 is released 22:12 mtompset okay. 22:11 bag I think november 26th or something 22:11 mtompset What's the ETA on 3.22? November? 22:10 eythian yes 22:10 mtompset Will we lose 3.18.x as packages when 3.22 comes out (as we only had oldstable/stable)? 22:10 eythian > You don’t see how “Streichholzschächtelchen†would be difficult to pronounce. 22:10 eythian cait: http://youknowyouregermanwhen.com/ 22:10 liz oh I'm happy to stay on RMaint for 3.18 22:09 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.24 22:08 cait there is also somehting else we forgot 22:08 pianohacker gmcharlt++ 22:08 liz gmcharlt++ 22:08 cait gmcharlt++ 22:08 liz nice 22:08 cait oh! 22:08 eythian cait: very not clearly :) 22:08 eythian I was going to add that I had successfully blackmailed gmcharlt into being the new package maintainer. 22:08 cait i did - but maybe not clearly 22:07 mtompset Sorry... lots of screens are distracting. :) 22:07 wahanui echo? 22:07 mtompset echo? 22:07 cait (00:05:27) cait: other bugs? 22:07 eythian yeah, about other bugs 22:07 cait i asked fo an echo... 22:07 cait oh 22:07 eythian you missed an "anything else to add" stage :/ 22:06 eythian hmm 22:06 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_2.2015-10-14-21.09.log.html 22:06 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_2.2015-10-14-21.09.txt 22:06 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_2.2015-10-14-21.09.html 22:06 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 22:06:54 2015 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 22:06 cait #endmeeting 22:06 cait #info please communicate fluently regarding bugs and things that might hit the next release 22:06 cait #info there will be at least one more dev meeting, tcohen might call for a topic-specific dev meeting if there is something urgent that needs feedback 22:06 cait #topic set date and time of next meeting 22:06 cait moving on then 22:06 cait ok, someone is still here apart from wahanui :) 22:06 wahanui echo? 22:06 pianohacker echo? 22:05 wahanui echo? 22:05 cait echo? 22:05 cait other bugs? 22:05 cait and then there was some discussion about DBI::Mock that you should read up on in the logs about 22:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Get rid of DBIx::Connector 22:04 cait bug 14778 22:04 cait and help get rid of the xss problems once and for all (hopefully) 22:04 cait please test! 22:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 22:03 cait bug 13618 22:03 cait #topic Specific bugs that need feedback 22:03 cait ok, then i am moving on 22:03 cait some big plans for the next release? :) 22:02 cait anything else big someone wants to mention then? :) 22:02 cait ok 22:02 cait went to the wrong place in the logs... 22:02 cait oops 22:02 eythian cait: we covered that 22:01 cait tomas also offered to help anyone willing to test plack with setting up a suitable test environment 22:01 cait 'is really tricky to solve, with possible integration issues, and requires expert eyes' 22:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs 22:01 cait bug 15005 22:01 cait there is another bug, mentioned in part 1 22:01 bag :) 22:00 cait :) 22:00 pianohacker not yet, will be working on his and other comments on the bug today and tomorrow 22:00 bag pianohacker any update on your work with Joubu on that? 22:00 cait he left some comments on the bug 22:00 cait i think Joubu has also done some testing - there might be still problems with UNIMARC, but not sure 21:59 bag excellent that we can do 21:59 cait of course 21:59 bag would that work for you? 21:59 bag we’ve got a library using it - so that’s totally possible cait 21:59 cait as a small thing out of a bit test plan that i think we need to make really sure of 21:58 cait bag: pianohacker: i'd like osmeone to test if it doesn't break records/items 21:58 mtompset Oh... that looks like a bug I should look at. 21:58 pianohacker :) 21:58 bag pianohacker++ 21:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Separate temporary storage per instance in Upload.pm 21:58 cait bug 14893 21:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Merge UploadedFile and UploadedFiles into Koha::Upload 21:58 cait bug 14321 21:58 bag pianohacker: talked about rancor - same kind of deal - pushed in as defaulted off 21:57 cait OAI implementation changes 21:57 cait file-upload capabilities and refactoring 21:57 pianohacker rancor is still a creature from star wars, still a cataloging editor, still getting bugs fixed and I'm still trying to get it ready for the slush 21:57 cait some big stuff has been pushed recently 21:57 cait found the log 21:57 cait ok 21:57 cait one sec 21:56 mtompset Elastic search. "big things" 21:56 liz jinx 21:56 eythian the "big things" stage 21:56 liz big things we are working on I think 21:56 cait someone reminds me where we are in the agenda? :) 21:56 * mtompset laughs. 21:56 tcohen please read the last logs and comment on those bugs 21:56 pianohacker cait++ 21:56 cait ok 21:56 eythian surprise! 21:56 pianohacker :D 21:56 cait um 21:56 tcohen sorry guys! 21:56 tcohen :-D have to leave, urgently 21:55 huginn Current chairs: cait tcohen 21:55 tcohen #chair cait 21:55 eythian Reminds me, I do need to do a bit of work on the dependencies 21:54 cait well, will have to do several things, but try to do as much as i can on each :) 21:54 bag sounds good 21:54 eythian cool :) 21:54 cait hm a lot before... 21:54 cait i am travelling a lot until feature slush... but will try to put in as much time as I can 21:54 bag I will help 21:54 bag you can ping me if you have trouble 21:54 cait ok 21:54 bag I’ve found it quite simple cait 21:54 eythian not much that would affect things is changing. 21:54 eythian I think there already are instructions on the wiki 21:53 cait or still too many things changing? 21:53 cait eythian: are there some easy notes how to get it running yet somewhere? wiki? 21:53 tcohen perfect 21:53 eythian yeah, exactly 21:53 tcohen ah, just like memcached namespaces 21:53 eythian and will be generated from the instance name, like the database name is 21:52 eythian the index base name is defined in koha-conf 21:52 eythian yep 21:52 tcohen single ES? 21:52 tcohen ok 21:52 tcohen (will it work on the packages?) 21:52 eythian yes 21:52 tcohen does it consider the multi-instance scenario? 21:52 tcohen eythian: one integration question 21:51 bag awesome 21:51 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, bag 21:51 bag awesome 21:51 eythian I'll do that today 21:51 eythian cait: it's close, but not quite. 21:51 cait eythian: is the demo up to date currently with the latest patches? 21:51 tcohen cool 21:51 eythian -u 21:51 eythian totallyu yeah 21:51 bag something we could push that is OFF by default 21:50 tcohen sounds great 21:50 bag that sounds good 21:50 eythian for the next day or two I'm going to be making sure that zebra still works so it can be merged in without risking anything breaking. 21:49 tcohen eythian++ 21:49 eythian otherwise, it's in need of more testing, and more polish. I'm currently working on filing off the burrs, I think the bulk of the features are complete, though no doubt more will be found that were missed as people test. 21:49 cait eythian++ too 21:49 cait Joubu++ 21:49 liz joubu++ 21:49 tcohen Joubu++ 21:48 eythian first, big ++ to Joubu for helping work on it 21:48 eythian sure 21:48 tcohen eythian: something to say about ES? 21:47 tcohen #topic 'Big stuff we are working on' 21:47 tcohen I recall, pianohacker volunteered for implementing full port to dbic 21:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities 21:46 tcohen #info Jonathan worked on his own REST implementation test-drive on bug 14974, please, Mojo/Swagger/REST experts take a look and provide feedback 21:46 tcohen i grab this from part 1 21:45 tcohen ok 21:45 * cait nods 21:45 tcohen eythian: exactly 21:45 tcohen BTW: kivilathio already wrote the code, it is a separate bug and anyone can comment on that and even provide followups, etc 21:44 eythian it'd be its own thing 21:44 eythian no 21:44 tcohen it is not a bad idea, but we cannot rewrite the whole project to have something as simple as a REST api 21:44 mtompset It needs a rewrite so that things like authentication fallback order can be implemented. :) 21:44 eythian it is something I want to do, it's a bit of an ugly monster 21:43 tcohen he/she can, following our workflow, and should have good reasons to do it 21:43 tcohen and if someone dares to rewrite C4::Auth 21:43 eythian good 21:42 tcohen with the rest of the codebase 21:42 tcohen so it is simple now, it shares authentication and authorization mechanisms 21:42 liz thanks for that 21:42 liz phew 21:42 tcohen and reinventing Oauth2 too 21:42 tcohen yes, we got rid of rewriting C4::Auth 21:42 cait small steps are great steps 21:41 * cait is too 21:41 tcohen we still didn't provide patches for integrating it to plack-on-packages 21:41 liz :) 21:41 liz start small, dream big 21:41 eythian Yeah, I'm very very pro that idea. 21:41 tcohen and Julian worked on that 21:41 tcohen eythian: we decided that it needed to be simplified 21:41 mtompset Not really. Still don't have time to touch it. 21:40 eythian not really, haven't looked at it for a while. 21:40 tcohen ok 21:40 liz nope 21:40 liz um, please feel free to add me to the CC on anything you think needs backporting to 3.18 and I'll give it a go. 21:40 tcohen comments on the REST thing? 21:40 eythian yes? 21:40 tcohen eythian? liz? mtompset? 21:40 tcohen ok 21:40 pianohacker tcohen: looks good 21:39 cait khall++ # correcting my typo 21:39 tcohen questions about this? issues? 21:39 tcohen pianohacker++ 21:39 cait pianohacker++ 21:39 pianohacker but yeah, anywho 21:38 mtompset I think the marking... sigils?... aren't backward compatible. 21:38 pianohacker yup yup 21:38 tcohen pianohacker volunteered too, to work on this 21:38 ashimema anywho 21:38 ashimema perl 6 prototypes are 'interesting' 21:38 tcohen rewrite it in Perl 6 making it backwards compatible with Perl 5.6 21:38 pianohacker of course 21:37 bag in twice the number of lines 21:37 tcohen ah, I forgot! 21:37 pianohacker and I volunteered to rewrite Koha in Perl 6 21:37 bag :) 21:37 tcohen Joubu++ 21:37 tcohen khall++ ashimema++ 21:37 cait ashimema++ kyleh++ 21:37 tcohen =D 21:36 tcohen Kyle volunteered to create a wiki page, and Martin (ashimema) to solve all our problems 21:36 tcohen that's what the guidelines are about: how to do things well and avoid (as much as possible) added technical debt 21:36 * ashimema will be posting followups to showcase more on that bug ;) 21:35 tcohen the swagger files need to be splitted so they are maintainable, etc 21:35 tcohen mtompset: Jonathan's is a good example 21:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities 21:35 tcohen bug 14974 21:34 ashimema aid in adoption 21:34 tcohen jOnathan is actively working on figuring how to do things, and he even posted an implementation (backend and UI tweaks) for handling cities 21:34 ashimema mtompset... my aim in the guidlines is to make it as trivial as possible to code up a controller without having had prior experience with either swagger or mojo 21:34 cait ashimema: so you did :) 21:34 tcohen it is all spreaded in the RFC, on BZ comments, etc 21:33 mtompset I'm not touching REST, because I don't know Mojo or swagger. 21:33 * ashimema made lots of promises to add documentation, guidelines and code examples 21:33 tcohen for controller scripts, for swagger files, etc) 21:33 tcohen and there wasn't a clear path on how to do it (guidelines 21:33 tcohen trying to code new endpoints 21:33 tcohen jonathan was afraid (and several were) that people were not actually 21:32 tcohen we had a long discussion about the REST api implementation 21:32 tcohen (eythian, will recheck) 21:32 tcohen during part 1 21:32 eythian tcohen: thought we had that already, but sure 21:32 tcohen #topic RESTful API Implementation 21:31 tcohen ok, shall we? 21:31 tcohen it will depend on how we solve that bug 21:31 tcohen eythian: we might need Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxyPath 21:30 bag once it’s ready I will help break 21:30 tcohen bag: agreed 21:30 bag I think if we have many different people trying to break it - we’ll find the spots 21:30 liz ouch. 21:30 tcohen heh 21:30 tcohen when you create a batch, you don't 21:30 liz oh coolio 21:29 tcohen liz: in plack 21:29 tcohen also cataloguing plugins 21:29 liz what was the problem with the batch creator? 21:29 tcohen it should be tested 21:29 tcohen file upload received a major refactoring on this release 21:29 cait something specific that needs testing still? or a certain area? 21:29 tcohen didn't fill a bug yet :-/ 21:28 tcohen yes, I already noticed a problem with the label batch creator 21:28 cait hehe 21:28 wahanui kia ora, liz 21:28 liz hi 21:28 eythian that's all, not hard :) 21:28 cait just... 21:28 cait it's just... try all the things work right? 21:28 cait i might be able to do some stress testing while travelling, I iwll try 21:28 bag in reverse order 21:28 tcohen :-D 21:28 tcohen - please fix all the bugs 21:28 tcohen - please test the plack integration 21:27 tcohen - please test master 21:27 tcohen if there aren't any more questions... 21:27 tcohen (expect it for tomorrow morning) 21:27 tcohen i'll send an email to the list once it is set 21:26 tcohen ByWater provided a server in which we will do some stress tests 21:26 * cait was waiting for that heh 21:26 bag yes 21:26 tcohen ah, yes 21:26 cait you mentioned a bywater server for testing plack in the other meeting? 21:25 wahanui questions are good :) 21:25 tcohen questions? 21:25 tcohen ever 21:25 tcohen which are the best 21:25 tcohen you will earns cookies from jcamins 21:25 tcohen anyway, please test plack, and help us figure how to solve bug 15005 21:24 tcohen patches are accepted (jonathan already contributed fixes) 21:24 tcohen we could, eventually, who knows, do it, but is not the point right now 21:24 tcohen they don't have feature-parity so in some scenarios it doesn't replace the original one, ok? 21:23 mtompset But isn't the kohadevbox meant for breaking? :) 21:23 tcohen i'm not pushing for this specific kohadevbox now, I'm just saying that it is the easiest way to test the plack integration 21:23 * cait nods 21:22 tcohen ok? 21:22 tcohen without breaking peoples' kohadevbox which everyone loves 21:22 tcohen so it is more suitable for testing the plack integration on the packages 21:22 tcohen and lets koha-plack handle the plack configuration/management 21:22 tcohen this kohadevbox branch just does things simpler (in some way) 21:21 mtompset I do have Magnus' kohadevbox. I haven't touched it lately. :) 21:20 tcohen #link http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/12362 21:20 tcohen mtompset: exactly 21:20 tcohen it is tricky to solve 21:20 mtompset are you talking about a branch on Magnus' kohadev box git? 21:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs 21:20 tcohen see bug 15005 21:20 tcohen there seems to be a problem with headers, that ends with Koha generating wrong links 21:19 tcohen the main outstanding issues are integration issues 21:19 eythian (I'll try to make the chance) 21:19 eythian I'll see about giving it a review if I get the chance 21:19 cait tcohen++ 21:19 tcohen we've even set a kohadevbox:ansible branch so people can test it out of the box 21:18 tcohen we can always put a big note saying "try at your own risk", but I think it is worth investing time on this last sprint 21:18 tcohen my main concern is the lack of testing the plack integration into the packages has 21:17 tcohen 3.22 is in good shape, some minor issues are raised by jenkins (devs, please take a look just in case is your fault or just want to fix something to feel good) 21:17 mtj hi folks 21:17 mtj #info Mason James, NZ 21:16 wahanui OK, pianohacker. 21:16 pianohacker wahanui: arvo is afternoon 21:16 tcohen ok, meeting 21:16 eythian lrn2english ;) 21:16 eythian yeah 21:16 wahanui i heard afternoon was good 21:16 pianohacker afternoon? 21:16 pianohacker arvo? 21:16 tcohen that's the agenda 21:16 tcohen #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_October_2015 21:16 eythian she'll be back in the arvo most likely 21:16 tcohen I forgot (again) 21:16 pianohacker curses :/ 21:15 eythian pianohacker: no, she's busy this morning 21:15 tcohen read the logs for that, i apologize, that's it 21:15 wahanui i guess no wizzyrea is not. 21:15 pianohacker no wizzyrea? 21:15 tcohen ok, I apologized to people with patches on the PQA queue 21:15 eythian http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_1.2015-10-14-14.08.log.html <-- in case you need to 21:15 mtompset Not yet. 21:15 tcohen (of course you did) 21:15 * cait hides 21:14 tcohen did you all read the logs? 21:14 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett 21:14 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 21:14 mtompset @later tell rangi t/db_dependent/Circulation.t has merge conflict markers in it. Shall I put patch up on bugzilla? 21:14 tcohen #topic RM 3.22 comments 21:13 cait meeting? :) 21:13 tcohen mtompset: I think he can do a quick and dirty followup if you leave him a @later 21:13 mtompset Oh, is this the second one? 21:12 tcohen we are beginning a meeting 21:12 mtompset Is there a patch for that? 21:12 mtompset Yes 21:12 tcohen ah. merge conflict markers? 21:12 mtompset -- /<<<<< 21:12 eythian never heard of him 21:11 mtompset vi /t/db_dependent/Circulation.t 21:11 tcohen heh 21:11 cait heh 21:11 tcohen his name is Chris Cormack 21:11 mtompset Who is the 3.20.x maintainer again? 21:11 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 21:10 tcohen ok, a couple more minutes just in case anyone else is around 21:10 wnickc #info Nick Clemens, VOKAL Consortium 21:10 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 21:10 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ 21:10 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 21:09 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:09 tcohen #topic Introductions 21:09 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_2' 21:09 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:09 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 14 21:09:44 2015 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:09 tcohen #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 October 2015 - part 2 21:09 wahanui hi, eythian 21:09 eythian hi 21:08 tcohen hi everyone 21:07 cait tcohen: i haven't read back yet :( 21:07 cait oh i tihnk so 21:05 wahanui i think meeting is in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then 21:05 wnickc meeting? 20:44 tcohen hi 20:17 rangi im gonna be in a meeting with clients 20:17 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 15, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 20:17 Francesca @wunder wlg 20:17 pianohacker thanks cait 20:16 cait 45 mins 20:13 pianohacker brain is hurt, when is dev meeting part 2? 19:45 cait and no koha on it to play with! 19:44 cait but it's just not the same :) 19:44 cait it's too heavy, i have a smaller one from work to take with me 19:44 liw what's the point of travelling to faraway lands if I can't go hide in a hotel room and talk on irc all the time? 19:42 cait it hurts 19:41 cait i have to leave my laptop behind - i thurts 19:41 cait understandable :) 19:39 liw cait, I get really annoyed if I forget to bring, say, a charger with me :) 19:38 cait bag: i hope not :) 19:37 cait liw: your electronics list is very telling :) 19:36 bag I’m trying :) getting closer 19:36 cait bag might be too heavy for hand luggage... only 8kg 19:34 cait i guess now we found out what the problem is 19:34 bag ;) 19:34 cait lol 19:32 gmcharlt ;) 19:32 gmcharlt cait: bag tends to wriggle a lot whenever I try to package him 19:29 cait not sure about this case wahanui 19:29 bag :) 19:24 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:24 cait interesting! 19:24 liw cait, the top right quadrant is salmiakki chocolate :) 19:24 cait heh 19:24 cait liw: my suitcases to kohacon usually look somewhat like this - but with chocolates 19:24 rangi swedish fish 19:24 liw http://www.onebag.com/ is one of the sites that turned me from a panic-attacky travel-hater to someone who just hates airlines and airplanes and airports 19:24 rangi fish 19:23 cait wonder what is the typical thing there :) 19:23 cait i am travelling to sweden... 19:23 liw (http://files.liw.fi/temp/suitcase.jpg is my suitcase half-filled with salmiakki candy) 19:22 cait I only have hand luggage and no idea what to wear - typical problems i guess :) 19:22 cait heh 19:22 liw (http://liw.fi/travel/ is my checklist) 19:21 rangi heh 19:19 liw cait, do you have a packing list? are you trying to stuff too much into the bag? are you filling a suitcase with salmiakki candy and have no space for clothes? 19:15 cait gmcharlt: can you package my bag for tomorrow too? :) 19:10 tcohen gmcharlt++ 19:09 rangi heh 19:09 gmcharlt rangi: eythian caught me in a weak moment 19:09 tcohen hehe, that'd be awesome! 19:09 rangi i heard whispers gmcharlt might do package stuff? 19:09 tcohen bye #koha 19:04 * cait struggles packing for an overnight trip 18:20 tcohen and you even agreed! 18:20 tcohen magnuse: we volunteered you for package maintenance 18:04 magnuse yup, 3 hours until the next one: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_October_2015 18:03 magnuse ok 17:58 cait ut there should be another in 3 hours i think 17:57 cait missed it too - too busy 17:57 cait yes and yes i think 17:56 magnuse is/was there a meeting today? 17:56 * magnuse waves in norwegian 17:52 pianohacker ilo Koha li pona 17:51 liw hyvää syntymättömyyspäivää kohalle 17:51 pianohacker ti tuoba kniht 17:47 cait huh? 17:46 * pianohacker ckab sevaw 17:46 * cait waves 17:12 huginn tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 20 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <marcelr> clear enough 17:12 tcohen @seen marcelr 17:12 huginn tcohen: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 17:12 tcohen huginn: you know what I meant 17:12 huginn tcohen: I have not seen marlcelr. 17:12 tcohen @seen marlcelr 17:11 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 18.0°C (7:50 PM EEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 17:11 drojf @wunder thessaloniki 17:11 huginn tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 24 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Joubu> bye 17:11 tcohen @seen Joubu 17:11 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 32.2°C (2:10 PM ART on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 17:11 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 17:11 drojf "Himmlische Genüsse und höllische Gefühle" sounds like fun :D 17:09 mveron www.schreckamsee.ch 17:09 mveron drojf: Tomorrow I'm invited to "Schreck am See", we will have to walk up the mountain, they expect snow there... 17:08 drojf and tired ;) hope to have time for some bugs next week. lots of other things coming in the way 17:07 drojf mveron: got really cold here too 17:07 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 7.0°C (6:50 PM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 17:07 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 16:58 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 7.0°C (6:50 PM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 16:58 mveron @wunder Berlin, GErmany 16:58 huginn mveron: Error: No such location could be found. 16:58 mveron @wunder Berlin 16:51 mveron drojf: And in Berlin? 16:51 mveron drojf: Loads of work and a little bit tired. I try to clean up some bugs from the C4::Dates series... 16:49 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 7.0°C (6:30 PM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 16:48 mveron @wunder Allschwil 16:48 huginn mveron: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 16:48 mveron @wunder Alslchwil 16:48 mveron drojf: Sorry, was diving into a bg... Hmm, it's getting colder: 16:28 drojf how are things going in allschwil? 16:27 mveron hi drojf :-) 16:26 drojf hi mveron 16:19 mveron Good evening / daytime #koha 15:55 * ashimema wonders if he knows the pub ;) 15:55 ashimema where abouts in scouseland are you Joubu..? 15:49 Brooke see you! 15:47 Joubu bye 15:47 * Joubu heads to the pub 15:47 Joubu so pretty thirsty 15:47 Brooke if you are at home, I know that there are plenty of good places you could theoretically eat :D 15:46 Brooke yeah, I just had a steak quesadilla. 15:46 tcohen so pretty hungry 15:46 tcohen lunch time here 15:46 Brooke what's up? 15:46 tcohen hi Brooke 15:45 Brooke you should just use Arnaud. One less articulation. ;) 15:43 tcohen ok 15:40 tcohen true .-D 15:39 Joubu to 15:39 Joubu use Spanish instead of English to translate French :) 15:39 tcohen de rien 15:39 Joubu de nada == de rien 15:39 ashimema cheers 15:39 tcohen au contraire! 15:39 tcohen heheh 15:39 wahanui tcohen: translation =is= translate.koha-community.org 15:39 tcohen literal translation 15:39 Joubu au contraire 15:39 tcohen vous êtes les bienvenus ? 15:39 khall indeed! 15:38 Joubu Muchas gracias! 15:38 Joubu thanks tcohen 15:38 bag thanks 15:38 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_1.2015-10-14-14.08.log.html 15:38 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_1.2015-10-14-14.08.txt 15:38 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_1.2015-10-14-14.08.html 15:38 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 15:38:05 2015 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 15:38 tcohen #endmeeting 15:38 nengard thanks tcohen 15:37 tcohen thanks everyone for attending and specially for volunteering, you all rock 15:36 tcohen #info please communicate fluently regarding bugs and things that might hit the next release 15:36 tcohen #info there will be at least one more dev meeting, tcohen might call for a topic-specific dev meeting if there is something urgent that needs feedback 15:35 tcohen #topic Set time of next meeting 15:35 tcohen ok, I think it is time to move on 15:34 Brooke o/ 15:34 tcohen thanks ashimema 15:34 ashimema but need to get the customers test server up to date before I can get them to test it 15:33 John I'm just happy that I got an install up and running--with one notable exception! 15:33 ashimema 'tis for me 15:33 ashimema also on my todo pile is that bug ;) 15:33 Joubu Note that it's not important for me :) 15:33 tcohen #info 14778 is very important and needs urgent feedback 15:32 tcohen ok 15:32 John Johnster 15:30 tcohen the problem is mixing things 15:30 pianohacker ohhhh, shoot. 15:30 tcohen pianohacker: every test file that uses t::lib::Mocks 15:30 Joubu t/Acquisition/Invoice.t for instance 15:29 Joubu pianohacker: I have much more occurrences 15:29 pianohacker Joubu: no, the site where we were experiencing issues has gone quiet for reasons we don't entirely understand :/ 15:29 * ashimema is catching back up 15:29 Joubu pianohacker: did you test the patchset on a customer's server? 15:28 pianohacker there's only 6 tests that use DBD::Mock, but 4 of them (Koha, Biblio, Calendar and Members/cardnumber) are non-db-dependent 15:28 tcohen I'd say we shouldn't be using DBI::Mock on t/db_dependent 15:28 Joubu deps 15:28 Joubu the tests using it could cover more use cases if they were DB dpes 15:28 tcohen the fact that we are reaching DBIx::Class on some tests that are mocking DBI, is a symptom that we have mixed things too much 15:27 tcohen Unit tests on t/ should actually mock everything+} 15:27 tcohen because TestBuilder is used for 'integration tests', in the sense that they need data on the DB, and things like that 15:27 Joubu but the tests using the DB Mock are not very useful 15:27 tcohen I think there is a conflict 15:27 Joubu more or less 15:27 Joubu say yes 15:26 tcohen hmm 15:26 Joubu yes 15:26 Joubu ye 15:26 pianohacker does TestBuilder at least partially remove the need for it? 15:26 tcohen Joubu: I agree 15:26 Joubu s/since/then 15:25 Joubu if we don't manage to make DBI::Mock works, since kick it out 15:25 reiveune bye 15:25 Joubu no way to know 15:25 pianohacker Joubu: and I think everyone very much cares but has no idea what is wrong 15:24 pianohacker Joubu: how sure are we that bug 13618 covers all the areas that output HTML? 15:24 tcohen (i.e. is not bisecting the git repo) 15:24 tcohen it doesn't know what patch broke things 15:23 tcohen jenkins is sending emails to patch authors since it started failing 15:23 pianohacker barton: there's a link in the email that takes you to the jenkins site, and you can see the test output there 15:23 Joubu and nobody cares 15:23 Joubu now there is a patch 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Get rid of DBIx::Connector 15:23 Joubu and I have provided a quick patch on bug 14778, because it was blocker for everybody 15:22 barton tcohen: silly question, but where do I look to see if one of my patches has broken jenkins? is 'prove' enough? 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC 15:22 pianohacker bug 13618 15:22 pianohacker tcohen: you find any of that "free time" stuff, make sure to share your source 15:22 Joubu because I won't rebase it for months! 15:22 tcohen would you like to add something? 15:22 Joubu we absolutely need to test 13618 15:22 tcohen Joubu: only rancor was mentioned 15:22 * Joubu missed the big bugs stuffs... 15:22 tcohen pianohacker: thanks, will check (on that free time I have heheh) 15:22 * ashimema is terrible at holding conversations in multiple windows and managing to stave off the typo's too 15:21 tcohen I'd also like to ask the QA team to give packages-related patches some priority 15:21 pianohacker tcohen: at least one of the jenkins build failures seemed to be due to DB connection issues 15:21 tcohen #info please take a look at tests failing on jenkins, specially if your patches might be guilty 15:20 tcohen #topic Specific bugs that need feedback 15:20 tcohen ok, moving on 15:20 tcohen pianohacker: yeap 15:19 bag HA 15:19 tcohen :-P 15:19 * tcohen suspects the guidelines will be full of typos 15:19 pianohacker Working on rancor atm, but I think that's already been discussed 15:18 ashimema s/Bug/Bug 15:18 ashimema so.. Bug stuffs? 15:17 * tcohen seriously things his boss belives so 15:17 tcohen yeah 15:17 Joubu tcohen: You don't do anything at work, just surfing on facebook, everybody knows that 15:17 tcohen #topic 'Big stuff we are working on' 15:17 tcohen (DSpace things) 15:16 tcohen ok, sorry, had my boss asking me about my work :-/ 15:15 ashimema :) 15:13 bag sweet 15:11 ashimema will also try to do some code example Joubu.. to go with the docs 15:10 tcohen moving on 15:10 tcohen and thanks 15:09 tcohen ashimema: please comment on anything you need, or whatever I/we can help with regarding the docs 15:08 tcohen pianohacker++ 15:08 bag excellent 15:08 tcohen #action pianohacker volunteers to take a look and comment on 14974 15:08 pianohacker oh yeah can do 15:08 bag yes 15:08 tcohen if you accept I'll add the dash 15:08 pianohacker good to know! 15:08 tcohen :-P 15:08 tcohen action pianohacker volunteers to take a look and comment on 14974 15:07 * Joubu has the impression that he is repeating himself 15:07 Joubu and code/example, someone? 15:06 tcohen #action Martin volunteers to polish some Controller / Swagger guidelines for the REST implementation 15:06 tcohen #action Kyle volunteers to start a wiki page for the REST guidelines 15:05 ashimema go for it 15:04 tcohen ok, so can I put actions? 15:04 pianohacker man, I thought you were volunteering me for something HARD 15:04 tcohen back to perl 5.6 15:04 pianohacker with python? Can do! 15:04 tcohen pianohacker: yes, but needs to be backwards compatible 15:03 pianohacker in perl 6 of course 15:03 pianohacker oh, cool 15:03 tcohen pianohacker: yes, but we need a full rewrite of all the things too, thanks for volunteering! 15:02 * ashimema would love full dbic port.. (and a cleaner db schema to boot) 15:02 ashimema :) 15:02 pianohacker volunteer for what? Finishing full port to dbic? 15:02 khall lol 15:02 pianohacker uh oh 15:02 tcohen pianohacker: just in time, we said next one to login was the volunteer 15:01 pianohacker hallo 15:01 tcohen ashimema: we forgive you, if you help us have those guidelines :-D 15:01 bag :) 15:00 ashimema only so many hours in a day 15:00 ashimema sorry guys.. my auth maintainer hat is beign put down for a while whilst this api stuff goes through the motions ;) 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities 15:00 tcohen #info Jonathan worked on his own REST implementation test-drive on bug 14974, please, Mojo/Swagger/REST experts take a look and provide feedback 15:00 ashimema :) 14:59 khall ashimema: that sounds most excellent 14:59 ashimema then move onto utilising them clientside (with help of my tame angular dev) 14:59 ashimema I'll do the controllers + swagger guidlines first.. 14:58 ashimema we have some nasty blocks in the few places (the patrons search page in the staff cleint is very blocky currently) 14:58 ashimema certainly ;) 14:58 khall with good and bad examples 14:58 tcohen - how to organize the swagger files 14:58 ashimema k.. khall and I will tag team writing that page :) 14:58 khall ashimema: a wiki page on that would be good 14:58 tcohen - how to make decisions on the endpoint naming, etc 14:58 tcohen - how to structure the controller scripts 14:57 khall Joubu: np! 14:57 ashimema would like to see some angualr based stuff sooner rather than later.. and to see some non-blocking async calls going on.. we're really nto very good at async calls yet 14:57 tcohen the guidelines should cover: 14:57 khall agreed, the backend is far more important at this point 14:57 Joubu khall: I have no idea on how to use it and I am not involved in the discussion from the beginning, so not me :) 14:57 ashimema the clientside I'm less up to speed on and am honestly not entirely sure of the best aproach as yet.. 14:57 cait back... 14:56 khall I'll create the wiki page if ashimema and Joubu can go through and tweak it 14:56 ashimema and write some examples too 14:56 tcohen we don't even have angular pushed to master 14:56 ashimema I can write some guidelines based around using the swagger stuff meaningfully 14:56 khall agreed. 14:56 tcohen as mandatory 14:56 tcohen my opinion is that we need the first 14:56 Joubu both 14:55 khall to add new services to the api, using the api, or both 14:55 khall what guidelines are we looking for? 14:55 Joubu and code? :) 14:55 tcohen is there any volunteer that could extract that information from the bug so we start a wiki for those "guidelines"? 14:54 tcohen thanks Joubu 14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Add base for building RESTful API 14:54 tcohen about bug 13799, I expected that Julian and Martin explained us the implementation details/decisions, and then Martin's followups, with the aim to have a general idea of those guidelines 14:54 Joubu tcohen: you can count me in #testing 14:53 tcohen #topic RESTful API Implementation 14:53 tcohen the next topic is the REST api implementation 14:52 tcohen unless people start seriously testing and let me spend more time pushing :-P 14:52 tcohen in the end, it will depend on how much time I can spend on this, because I will be focusing on ironing things 14:51 marcelr clear enough 14:51 tcohen marcelr: I'm not sure, I guess small enhancements are not a problem, those that look more like a feature are 14:50 tcohen #info feature slush is October 26th 14:50 tcohen ah, yes, thanks marcelr 14:50 marcelr October 26th i guess 14:49 tcohen ashimema++ 14:49 khall ashimema++ 14:49 marcelr tcohen: and enhancements? 14:49 tcohen i'm moving it November 26th, because people tend to work hard before the feature slush, and no point setting it to a friday when I'm not going to have time to push things 14:49 nengard oh good to know marcelr 14:49 ashimema feature slush good :) 14:48 * ashimema has been writing tests furiosly for the Mojo Swagger2 lib the past few weeks.. to make sure feature we are using don't go away ;) 14:48 marcelr no this is about new features only 14:48 nengard Got it 14:48 nengard So we need everything that is signed off passed qa by the 23rd or else it won't be in 3.22? 14:48 ashimema (found a bug in swagger2 lib which i'm fixing first.. hense the slow down) 14:48 bag sweet thanks ashimema 14:48 ashimema just writing them now 14:47 ashimema I'll post the promised followups ot the rest bug shortly 14:47 tcohen the point were things that things that are not PQA are not *elegible* for poshing 14:47 marcelr how do you explicitly define feature slush ? 14:46 Joubu it's pretty soon :) 14:46 Joubu In the bug reports linked to the "api base" I don't see a guideline on how using the REST api from Koha scripts 14:45 tcohen ? 14:45 tcohen questions about feature slush 14:44 tcohen but first, I'd like to set feature slush for 23rd October 14:43 tcohen I'll close this topic, as we moved to the next one (REST :-D) 14:43 Joubu Where is Julian's implementation? 14:42 tcohen but the controller and backend, yes 14:42 tcohen well, I'm not sure about the UI part 14:42 tcohen I read Jonathan's implementation, and if it complied with martin's recommendation, I'd push it too :-P 14:41 tcohen but I accept that we might not agree on that 14:41 bag seems reasonable 14:41 tcohen and consider that, and Julian's implementation something close to a guideline 14:41 tcohen i'm happy with extracting martin's comments on how we should split the swagger file, and his guidelines on the types we need to choose for things 14:40 bag catch 22 14:40 bag that’s so true 14:40 tcohen and mostly with code, provided by people that actually work on the implementations 14:40 tcohen but we don't, we make decisions in places like this meeting 14:39 tcohen if we had a technical comitee, with schedules to make decisions I'd say we should wait for that 14:38 ashimema does that make sense 14:38 ashimema I think getting the server level into master sooner rather than later good.. but also think before full release we need the ui examples and documentation in too 14:38 Joubu Better than specs, I'd prefer some code 14:37 ashimema UI wise, i think that's the next step.. hopefulyl closely behind.. 14:37 ashimema and vica versa 14:37 ashimema i.e there is currently no validation going on before and after the controller code runs to varify what you 'think' you are getting in is what you actually are.. 14:37 Joubu what's the point to have a "rest api base" if we don't know how to use/improve it? 14:36 ashimema the current specs are too sparse in terms of the requests and responses are not schema'd up.. 14:36 tcohen becuase otherwise we should make a decision on the UI tools (angular?) before we can have a REST api 14:36 Joubu I'd like to see alternative patches suggested on 14974, to do exactly the same things as mine 14:36 ashimema it's important to build good specs with swagger.. else allot of the 'win' from using it is lost.. 14:36 tcohen i don't think we need more than guidelines on the controllers code 14:36 ashimema but I do think we need some clear guidelines on how controllers should be coded.. or rather spec'd 14:35 ashimema not exactly.. I'd love to see some.. 14:35 tcohen or just guidelines on how to build the controllers? 14:35 Joubu (definitely) 14:35 tcohen so you think we need guidelines on how the UI should use the REST api to accept it pushed? 14:34 ashimema I'm trying to find some time for my angualr guy to attack it 14:34 ashimema :) 14:34 * ashimema goes off to remind himself of the comment 14:34 Joubu mine is submitted, I don't plan to do more 14:33 ashimema I know khall, joubu and I are all working on some examples 14:33 Joubu code please! 14:33 ashimema so we get adoption going. 14:33 tcohen I think ashimema's comment on 13799 should be the basis for those guidelines 14:33 ashimema agree with Joubu.. we're getting there with the rest stuff.. but I'd like to see some concrete examples and guidlines around implimenting controllers for it 14:32 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe 14:32 tcohen ashimema++ 14:32 ashimema oops 14:32 wahanui meeting is probably in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then 14:32 ashimema ooh.. meeting.. 14:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14974 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use the REST API for cities 14:32 Joubu I thing we need to see discussion (yes again) on bug 14974 before 14:32 ashimema :) 14:31 tcohen I welcomed ashimema's followups, I guess we just need to solve minor issues right now 14:31 Joubu I have not willing to see 13799 pushed without any guidelines 14:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13799 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Add base for building RESTful API 14:31 wahanui it has been said that bug 13799 is ready to go in master, if nobody complains about it 14:31 bag bug 13799 14:31 bag bug number for need patches? 14:31 tcohen that's my opinion 14:31 tcohen I think the REST work should be pushed if we generate the needed patches for integrating with the packages 14:30 bag imo ES needs more testing, I’ve tested it and I’ve got it set up, 14:30 tcohen I don't think the ES work will make it 14:30 Joubu I need to know the priorities to focus my work for the next month 14:30 tcohen (rancor) 14:30 tcohen I tested it and it has issues, but it can be pushed as it is an opt-in, once it gets PQA 14:29 andreashm us too 14:29 nengard Would love to see ^^ in 3.22 14:29 Joubu and the REST api "base" 14:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface 14:29 Joubu and bug 11559? 14:28 tcohen Joubu: I didn't realized you already provided the needed followups for ->url 14:28 Joubu yes, do you plan to push the ES work? 14:28 Joubu It would be preferable to push 15005 before the stress session 14:28 tcohen questions about 3.22? 14:27 Joubu we need as many people as possible, to simulate a normal circulation/search/etc. workflow 14:27 tcohen #action tcohen will send an email to the devel list with data about the koha-common+plack server 14:26 tcohen i can set everything up tomorrow morning 14:26 Joubu when? 14:26 wahanui questions are good :) 14:26 tcohen questions? 14:25 tcohen bywater++ 14:25 tcohen #info ByWater has provided a VM with external access, in which we will set a Koha+plack install so we can do stress tests on it 14:25 wahanui ah, that is just to say that everything should be on one line 14:25 tcohen ah, that 14:24 Joubu stress session? 14:24 tcohen #action tcohen volunteers to help people set a suitable test environment for anywant willing to spend a couple minutes testing plack 14:24 tcohen we have enough time to iron things out, but we will need to focus on this things 14:23 tcohen #info bug 15005 is really tricky to solve, with possible integration issues, and requires expert eyes 14:22 bag back 14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs 14:22 Joubu bug 15005 14:22 tcohen people have been testing the plack integration on the packages 14:21 tcohen but the fact is that we are a month and a half away from the release and there is no evidence 14:21 cait Joubu++ 14:21 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_October_2015 14:21 tcohen Joubu++ 14:21 tcohen Jonathan has been working on a couple problems we found 14:21 tcohen I repeat myself, but we need more teseting on koha-plack, that's the purpose of teh kohadevbox:ansible branch 14:20 tcohen anyway 14:20 tcohen #info tcohen asks patch authors to take care of things being broken on jenkins, might be your fault! 14:19 tcohen overall things are pretty stable, even though jenkins is failing 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Separate temporary storage per instance in Upload.pm 14:19 marcelr bug 14893 14:19 tcohen that one requires ironing the deployment: i.e. we need to set a default upload_path 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Merge UploadedFile and UploadedFiles into Koha::Upload 14:18 Joubu bug 14321 14:18 tcohen OAI implementation changes 14:18 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy 14:18 tcohen file-upload capabilities and refactoring 14:17 tcohen some big stuff has been pushed recently 14:17 tcohen now the "3.22 comments" part :-P 14:17 tcohen that was the "RM" bit 14:16 tcohen so 14:16 tcohen i'm not complaining at all, I really enjoyed this, but it got more difficult than I expecetd 14:16 barton btw, agenda at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_October_2015 14:16 tcohen or whatever suits the community's possibilities at some point 14:16 tcohen by 'funded' I mean that support companies should bring someone from their team to do it on work-hours 14:15 nengard tcohen++ 14:15 brendan-bag Trying for that we are 14:15 khall tcohen++ 14:15 brendan-bag Here hear 14:15 tcohen just my two cents for the project's future 14:15 tcohen and it should be (somehow) funded so people can do it full time 14:14 tcohen because the RM position is very demanding 14:14 tcohen i think that will happen, always 14:14 tcohen your work lag even when it was perr-review by several people 14:14 nengard tcohen++ 14:14 tcohen I'm happy with how things have been doing overall, but I know it is frustrating to see 14:13 nengard tcohen I thought RMs weren't allowed to have lives? ;) 14:13 tcohen heh 14:13 tcohen and having a life appart from that 14:13 tcohen testing them and making sure everything is ironed for the users worldwide 14:13 cait tcohen++ looking better then the NQA ;) 14:12 tcohen it has become more and more difficult to keep the pace on such big developments 14:12 tcohen first of all, I want to apologize for the lag on the PQA queue 14:12 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:11 tcohen #topic RM 3.22 comments 14:11 tcohen time 14:10 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 14:10 brendan-bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 14:10 tcohen will wait one more minute 14:09 brendan-bag Brendan Gallagher ByWater 14:09 barton #info Barton Chittenden, ByWater Solutions 14:09 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 14:09 khall #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:09 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe 14:09 jajm #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre 14:08 tcohen please introduce yourselves like that ^^^^ 14:08 nengard #info Nicole C Engard, ByWater Solutions 14:08 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 14:08 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 14:08 tcohen #topic Introductions 14:08 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_october_2015___part_1' 14:08 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:08 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 14 14:08:29 2015 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:08 tcohen #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 October 2015 - part 1 14:07 barton ^^ purposfully playing around with #info, just because I know we haven't started yet :-)\ 14:07 * tcohen just found a bug :-/ 14:06 barton #info big cup of coffee sounds awesome. 14:06 cait i need to run around here a bit - and that would not work well with being chair :) 14:06 tcohen cait: of course 14:06 * tcohen was preparing a big cup of coffee 14:06 cait can you chair today? 14:06 tcohen hi 14:05 cait tcohen: ping 14:03 cait do you want to chair? 14:03 cait tcohen: ? 14:03 cait oh right that's now 14:02 barton here for the dev meeting. 14:02 barton morning all! 13:58 brendan-bag Ha 13:58 cait so it's bus-bag :) 13:57 * brendan-bag on the bus 13:57 brendan-bag Hi 13:56 cait brendan-bag? 13:49 cait as Koha knows the value - we just need to look it up 13:49 cait nengard: i think we don't need a pref 13:49 cait done 13:47 huginn 04Bug 14377: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wsalesky, Failed QA , Indicate that a record is suppressed in staff client 13:47 nengard cait if you get a sec can you read our questions on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14377 13:20 andreashm ok thanks 13:18 tcohen check the README, as it needs ansible to be installed 13:18 andreashm we're not working on it right now. but good to know. 13:18 andreashm ok, part 2. =) 13:17 tcohen but let me apply a pull request from Joubu first 13:17 andreashm ok 13:17 tcohen from the same repo instead of master :-D 13:17 tcohen just checkout the 'ansible' branch 13:17 tcohen it is a general purpose kohadevbox, but it was started to make it easier to test plack for the 3.22 release 13:16 andreashm where do we clone that from? 13:16 andreashm ah, that might explain the errors. 13:16 tcohen for 3.22 13:16 tcohen which was created so we can test the plack integration into the packages 13:16 tcohen andreashm: there is a revamped kohadevbox 13:15 andreashm digibib/kohadevbox 13:15 andreashm tcohen: cloned from the kohadevbox repo 13:15 andreashm tcohen: are there several branches? 13:14 andreashm (also with mac there is some new errors... something about the vagrant box having a different name than the one requested) 13:13 wahanui it has been said that which branch is HEAD in this statement? 13:13 tcohen andreashm: which branch? 13:13 andreashm is anyone actually using kohadevbox on windows? we are having trouble setting that up. 13:12 andreashm hi tcohen 13:12 tcohen hi andreashm 13:12 tcohen about why to use UDS 13:12 tcohen and jcamins is right 13:11 tcohen I suspect a bug in Apache's mod_proxy (on UDS) but I'm not sure 13:11 tcohen Joubu: I didn't manage to make Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxyPath work as expected 13:11 tcohen morning everyoen 12:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15005 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , (Plack) Use of SCRIPT_NAME makes Koha generate wrong URIs 12:56 Joubu tcohen: have a look at last note of bug 15005, SCRIPT_NAME works :) 12:47 jcamins That's why I did it, at least. 12:46 Joubu yes ok, thanks 12:46 Joubu jcamins: to support several instances, that's it? 12:46 jcamins (so multiple instances is harder) 12:45 jcamins Joubu: ports can't be named. 12:43 Joubu Do you remember why we use unix socket for Plack? 12:43 Joubu but we failed, it should work, but it does not 12:42 Joubu and I have spent last hour with Laurent (sysop's biblibre) to try and fix the cgi->url issue (using Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxyPath) 12:42 Joubu tcohen: I have sent you a pull request on kohadevbox:ansible 12:40 Joubu tcohen: around? 11:46 magnuse where's Viktor when you need him :-) 11:46 magnuse me me me too 11:43 cait :) 11:43 cait me me me 11:29 * magnuse wonders how many will be staying at the hotel from thursday to friday 11:29 magnuse ah, cool 11:28 andreashm magnuse: I arrive early(ish) friday. 11:26 magnuse andreashm: will we meet you tomorrow, or do you arrive early on friday? 11:24 * magnuse waves too 11:18 * cait waves 10:59 drojf Balvis: google shows several good hits for libsys and koha. i don't know libsys myself 10:46 Balvis is there any way to migrate the database from libsys 4 to koha?I have ubuntu 14.04 with Koha installed in it. 10:30 magnuse moin drojf 10:30 cait hi drojf 09:59 drojf hi #koha 09:48 ashimema none in England as far as I'm aware.. except for the dry slopes and snow domes ;) 09:48 Joubu ha :) 09:48 ashimema though there is 'some' skiing in Scotland 09:48 ashimema I don't.. I head out to the alps ;) 09:47 Joubu ashimema: Where do you go skiing in England? 09:45 ashimema snow on the peaks.. that makes me want to go skiing again.. it's been too long :( 09:38 cait Joubu++ 09:27 magnuse we have had snow on the peaks for a while now 09:24 cait i think even first snow in some parts of germany today 09:24 cait hmpf 09:23 magnuse cait: it's warmer in the arctic ;-) 09:18 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 09:18 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:15 * magnuse too 09:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 9.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 09:15 magnuse @wunder boo 09:10 ashimema possitively tropical ;) 09:09 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Stevenage, England, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 9.7°C (10:09 AM BST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 09:09 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 09:09 ashimema cheers magnuse 09:09 ashimema back tomorrow 09:09 ashimema 'tis his day off today ;) 08:51 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 08:51 cait @later tell atheia part of the presentations is linked now http://www.bsz-bw.de/bibliothekssysteme/vufind/2015.html 08:42 magnuse so i assume that is the correct place :-) 08:42 magnuse http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=debian/templates/apache-site.conf.in 08:41 magnuse ashimema: the packages add the memcached config to the apache site configs 08:40 ashimema yeah.. nor are we in most places.. but we're wanting to take the leep again and try it 08:40 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 08:40 ashimema @later tell pianohacker Always like signoffs ;).. was related to sessions being recreated with every refresh/page load 08:39 cait we are not using it, sorry 08:38 ashimema whats the latest on using memcached configuration guys? I got lost a while bakc when it kept swithcing between being configured in the vhost conf or configured in the koha-conf 08:30 magnuse will do! 08:29 cait s/were/where 08:29 cait ic an try to catch you were people come out - but if I don't give me a quick call or so when you have landed? 08:29 cait my flight is tomorrow aound noon :) 08:28 * magnuse sets off in ~24 hours 08:28 huginn magnuse: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 08:28 magnuse @wunder Tylosand 08:28 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Vilsharad, Halmstad, Sweden is 9.0°C (10:28 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 08:28 magnuse @wunder halmstad 08:28 magnuse Halstad = Climax, Minnesota?!? 08:24 huginn cait: The current temperature in Copenhagen, Denmark is 9.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 08:24 cait @wunder CPH 08:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Climax, Climax, Minnesota is 6.6°C (3:00 AM CDT on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 08:06 cait @wunder Halstad 08:06 huginn cait: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 08:06 cait @wunder Tylösand 08:06 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on October 14, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 08:06 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:59 magnuse cait++ Joubu++ 07:56 Joubu cait: I am on it 07:55 cait Joubu ^ 07:55 cait i am done with all the reports and most intranet files 07:55 cait so not much left 07:55 cait i failed it again, but most files so far looked good :) 07:55 cait ah - i am mostly done with testing the I18N patch 07:54 Joubu hehe, cool :) 07:54 cait Joubu++ saving my day 07:35 gaetan_B hello 07:31 cait hehe 07:31 cait ssh 07:29 Joubu So now we know how to improve Koha's speed! We just need to checkout the 2.x branch! 07:13 cait it's coming from borrowers.debarredcomment, not from borrower_debarments table 07:12 cait Joubu++ 07:03 cait or many accounts 07:03 cait i have the strange penomenon that we see comments from the wrong debarment in an account :( 07:03 cait I was wondering, could you take a quick look at soem code with me? 07:02 Joubu cait yep 07:02 Joubu hi 07:02 cait Joubu: around maybe? 07:00 wahanui salut, alex_a 07:00 alex_a bonjour 06:59 cait borrower.debarred is correct and there is one entry in borrower_debarments, the debarments tab shows it all correct, but the message at the beginning of the table is wrong 06:58 cait yeah super weird :( 06:58 magnuse ouch! 06:55 cait the patron in question has one entry in borrower_debarments without a comment... but we still see the comment from another in the account 06:54 cait someone ever seen a debarment comment from another borrower showing for another? 06:54 cait hm no kyle 06:49 dojobo (as well as in the modules, e.g. acquisitions has vendor search or orders search) 06:48 dojobo the multi-function search bar on the staff main page is brilliant 06:48 dojobo can i just say, coming from an inferior ILS, i love koha's interface 06:47 wahanui privet, dojobo 06:47 dojobo hello 06:43 reiveune hello 05:56 * magnuse waves 04:54 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 04:13 mtj so, its still a variation of the same general problem 04:12 mtj meh, i added a single " in my series, and it f*kd it 03:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6553 major, P3, ---, liz, CLOSED FIXED, Parentheses in corporate author break tracings 03:59 mtj ah, this is the patch to add double quotes, bug 6553 03:54 mtj hmm, looks like its a legit fix for an old bug 03:52 mtj tho, its not adding any quotes - but removing a single unmatched " 03:50 wizzyrea probably 03:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, se queries with paranthesis fail 03:50 mtj bug 5369, is prolly the change yr thinking of wizzyrea ? 03:36 mtj ^ not such a hottt example 03:35 mtj herm...or is that quoted, even? - i cant even tell 03:34 mtj <a><xsl:attribute name="href">/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=ti,phr:<xsl:value-of select="translate($f773, '()', '')"/></xsl:attribute> 03:34 mtj like, no quotes for a title,phrase search... 03:32 mtj i noticed some quoting inconsistencies in the xslt file 03:32 mtj removing the quotes fixed the issue, and doesnt seem to cause a problem?! 03:30 wizzyrea < has no idea really 03:30 wizzyrea maybe that's caught in a more recent version of one of the dependencies 03:30 wizzyrea (iirc) 03:30 mtj lol, nice 03:29 wizzyrea that's pretty weird, because the original fix added those quotes. 03:29 mtj <a><xsl:attribute name="href">/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=se,phr:<xsl:value-of select="marc:subfield[@code='a']/>"</xsl:attribute> 03:29 mtj to.. 03:29 mtj <a><xsl:attribute name="href">/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=se,phr:"<xsl:value-of select="marc:subfield[@code='a']"/>"</xsl:attribute> 03:29 mtj from.. 03:28 mtj i edited the MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl file, and removed some quotes 03:27 mtj hmm, i think ive found the issue around my weird quoting problem, from yesterday