Time  Nick          Message
22:38 eythian       hush wahanui
22:38 wahanui       okay, eythian.
22:38 eythian       it is also after midnight there :)
22:36 Francesca     wow its actually colder where you are
22:36 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 9.7°C (12:36 AM CEST on October 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
22:36 cait          @wunder Konstanz
22:22 huginn        Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 01, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
22:22 Francesca     @wunder wlg
21:33 wahanui       privet, eythian
21:33 eythian       hi
20:22 * Francesca   waves
18:43 charles_      Is there documentation on how to mock database transaction in unit tests with the new schema->resultset ?
17:19 cait          TransformMarcToKoha
17:16 cait          i am not sure where in the code it happens yet, somewhere during import?
17:16 cait          ... so koha-to-marc-mappings... hm.
17:15 cait          http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Biblio.pm;hb=3007208c70274a2bab326bc3ccf31bced32dab2b#l774
17:15 cait          GetBiblioData
17:14 cait          everytime we look up data in the database fields like here
17:14 cait          hm
17:14 cait          the problem is
17:14 pianohacker   okay, yeah
17:14 cait          but you can fall back i think, like look for 264 first (which would only appear in an rda record) and then fall back to 260
17:13 cait          i know that our union catalog puts rda in 040$e - but i am nto sure if that is a general thing
17:13 pianohacker   they all get a bit jumbled on occasion :)
17:13 pianohacker   cait: wasn't quite sure whether to say aacr2 or marc21 (or usmarc)
17:13 cait          it's both still in marc... until bibframe
17:13 cait          replacing rak for us and i think aacr2 for you
17:13 pianohacker   that falls under the category of "piecemeal hack," not "proper boil-the-ocean solution," but...
17:12 cait          rda is the cataloguing rules
17:12 cait          marc21 is the format
17:12 cait          heh
17:12 pianohacker   cait: as someone not as familiar with the cataloging side of this, can you do something as simple as checking for RDA info first then falling back to MARC21?
17:11 cait          i will try to send an email today or tomorrow about the bug... maybe someone has a good idea how to solve it
17:11 pianohacker   *shiver* I guess :)
17:10 cait          but at least in a central place ;)
17:10 cait          well..y eah
17:10 pianohacker   there are no mappings... it's alllllll hardcoded
17:10 pianohacker   no, thank god
17:10 cait          not even part of the mappings
17:10 cait          but that's not affected here i think
17:10 pianohacker   yeah, I'd say so
17:10 cait          heh
17:10 pianohacker   which is a different bucket of crazy
17:10 cait          maybe something for the dev meeting
17:10 pianohacker   cait: plus there's, you know, C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm
17:09 cait          we do a bit of stuff for publicationyear/copyrightyear - but haven't found much else
17:09 pianohacker   like how we fetch eans/upcs/isbns
17:09 pianohacker   cait: :/ we already handle a lot of this stuff with piecemeal hardcoded hacks
17:08 cait          or maybe it would be the fastest solution... just no idea how to do it
17:08 cait          pianohacker: we might need a quicker fix to just have things at least working somewhoe?
17:08 cait          pianohacker: but ... that's huge
17:08 jcamins       I didn't know you could do that.
17:08 jcamins       Nice!
17:08 wahanui       The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
17:08 cait          marc?
17:08 * wahanui     rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE."
17:08 jcamins       marc?
17:08 wahanui       marc is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi-ZIOmB6EM
17:08 jcamins       marc?
17:08 wahanui       marc is probably the standard that isn't
17:08 jcamins       marc?
17:07 wahanui       marc is the standard that isn't
17:07 jcamins       marc?
17:07 cait          but on the other hand... it could allow for non marc stuff mappings too in the future? :)
17:07 wahanui       okay, pianohacker.
17:07 pianohacker   wahanui: marc is also <action>rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE."
17:07 wahanui       ...but marc is the standard that isn't|<reply>http://marc-must-die.info|<reply>The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi-ZIOmB6EM...
17:07 pianohacker   wahanui: marc is <action>rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE."
17:07 cait          i am not sure if extending the koha-to-marc-mappings is the way to go
17:07 pianohacker   cait: yup :/
17:06 cait          it will at least affect all export formats that are not marc and all displays we built without looking at the marc record... so practically everywhere but result list and detail page :(
17:06 * jcamins     rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE."
17:06 cait          ... so good ideas are very welcome
17:06 pianohacker   ... I think the only thing you can really do is have a separate framework and make everything that looks for mappings pass the framework code, cait
17:06 cait          or 'we' do
17:06 cait          pianohacker: seriously... i need to find a way to fix this
17:05 cait          jcamins: nope.
17:05 cait          but this makes it entirely worse
17:05 jcamins       cait: does "eradicate MARC like enemies of the dalek" count as a constructive idea?
17:05 cait          we already have a big unimarc/marc21 issue with copyrightdate and publicationyear
17:05 cait          yep
17:04 pianohacker   ohhh this is where the major practice of always getting mappings from the default framework bites us in the butt :/
17:04 cait          any constructive ideas welcome
17:04 cait          i currently have no ide how to fix this
17:02 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10306 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Publication information can only be mapped to either 260 or 264 (RDA)
17:02 cait          bug 10306
17:02 cait          sssh don't tell anyone
17:02 jcamins       cait: MARC causing problems?
17:02 cait          mostly the 260/264 is pretty horrible
17:02 cait          it will give us big big problems
16:50 magnuse       lipstick on a very old and sick pig...
16:49 magnuse       rda--
16:47 cait          looking at this... it shouldn't even work now
16:41 * cait        tries to see how the publisher ifnormation gets into the cart
16:37 drojf         good bot
16:37 drojf         heh
16:37 huginn        cait: unknown tag 264
16:37 cait          @marc 264
16:36 cait          they already fixed some things - so waiting for a newer version :)
16:36 drojf         great!
16:36 cait          there are some rda sample records on our website -but they have some bugs. i can let you know when they get updated
16:36 drojf         not fair
16:36 drojf         :(
16:35 cait          i don't think so
16:35 drojf         can't we pretend it is not there until it goes away? :)
16:35 cait          waah.
16:35 drojf         oh, already? waah
16:35 cait          and then beginning next year it's going to be mandatory
16:34 cait          so coming monday the libraries are allowed to catalog in RDA
16:34 cait          they are swtiching the union catalog during the weekend
16:34 cait          but it starts here...
16:34 cait          not sure
16:34 drojf         can you explain it to me when you are done? :)
16:34 cait          hmpf
16:34 drojf         oh that sounds like fun
16:34 cait          wading even
16:34 cait          i am waiding through rda docs...
16:33 wahanui       somebody said nope was http://i.imgur.com/flFgB.gif
16:33 cait          nope?
16:33 drojf         did you see the rvk-visual thing on inetbib?
16:32 cait          i am glad you are far far away from me right now :)
16:31 drojf         no time for that
16:31 drojf         i hope i can instantly kill it
16:31 cait          ew
16:30 drojf         cait: heh. i wish. slept little, got a flu
16:30 cait          :)
16:30 cait          slept in?
16:30 cait          hi drojf
16:29 drojf         eythian++
16:29 drojf         evening
16:14 cait          hm not sure
16:14 druthb        It figured it out on second try for you, tho
16:13 cait          the hat is clearly malfunctioning
16:13 * cait        nods
16:13 wahanui       whitespace is http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/12/15/fixing-whitespace-when-apply-patches-with-git/
16:13 cait          oh, whitespace
16:12 cait          why is the only reference to OPACFineNoRenewals i can find in the database in the updatedatabase and release notes? :(
16:12 cait          huh
16:11 * druthb      files a Bugzilla against the Hat, as she's clearly a Hufflepuff.
16:10 druthb        :/
16:10 huginn        Hmm... druthb... Let me see now... RAVENCLAW!
16:10 druthb        @sortinghat
16:09 nitz0         haha
16:00 huginn        Hmm... cait... Let me see now... GRYFFINDOR!
16:00 cait          @sortinghat
15:56 cait          ugh
15:56 huginn        Hmm... cait... Let me see now... SLYTHERIN!
15:56 cait          @sortinghat
15:44 reiveune      bye
15:20 huginn        Hmm... nitz0... Let me see now... GRYFFINDOR!
15:20 nitz0         @sortinghat
15:19 huginn        nitz0: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:19 nitz0         @tea
12:35 jajm          thanks
12:35 jajm          it would be strange... but i will check that
12:31 jcamins       Any is not configured in UNIMARC, it looks like.
12:30 jajm          jcamins, i never managed to get your script working, could you try to answer my last comment, when you have time ?
12:28 jcamins       Probably not.
12:27 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Add authority deduplication script
12:27 jajm          i just want to know if you plan to work on bug 7419
12:26 jajm          i have a koha-related question :)
12:26 jcamins       Why?
12:26 jcamins       Not for Koha-related things.
12:25 jajm          jcamins around ?
11:58 Malumfashee   is there anyone online to help?
11:39 misilot       .
11:12 huginn        magnuse: The operation succeeded.
11:12 magnuse       @later tell darrensampson you can't import bibliographic records as svc into koha, you have to transform them into MARC records first
10:43 darrensampson im trying to import a csv of my catalog taken from another system and cannot find how to import this in to Koha?
09:45 magnuse       cait: hush...
09:34 cait          so quiet...
08:49 wahanui       goodnight Francesca. You'll be back.
08:49 Francesca     night all
08:28 cdickinson    that's how it feels for me
08:28 cdickinson    not enough time to do the work you have?
08:27 cait          true, but time is still going by to fast already :)
08:27 cdickinson    enjoy
08:27 cdickinson    your day is just starting
08:26 cait          it's 10:25 am here
08:26 cait          ah yeah
08:26 cdickinson    daylight savings just changed on Sunday morning
08:26 cdickinson    cait: it's 9:25pm
08:26 cait          cdickinson: what time is it in nz right now? i think it's now 11 hours apart or so from us?
07:57 cdickinson    alright, I'm back
07:56 Francesca     heya
07:42 cait          hi all :)
07:39 gaetan_B      hello
07:35 * Francesca   waves goodbye to dcook if he hasn't already left
07:33 huginn        dcook: The operation succeeded.
07:33 dcook         @later tell barton I think you may have been editing the wrong ccl.properties file. See the bug report for details.
07:33 * dcook       goes home after leaving a million bugzilla comments
07:32 dcook         I think barton was editing the wrong file..
07:32 dcook         Ok, I think mystery solved
07:25 Francesca     ah
07:25 dcook         Actually, I guess I'm using Chromium
07:25 Francesca     thanks wahanui, botsnack cookie
07:25 Francesca     oh
07:25 wahanui       IceWeasel is probably pretty much firefox without the non-free bits
07:25 Francesca     IceWeasel??
07:24 dcook         Well, it might just be IceWeasel..
07:24 Francesca     argh more work
07:23 dcook         Allowed me to create a record without required fields... yikes
07:23 dcook         Yikes... something didn't go well in master on my vm..
07:21 huginn        Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on September 30, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
07:21 Francesca     @wunder wlg
07:21 Francesca     oops
07:21 huginn        Francesca: The current temperature in El Golea, Algeria is 21.0°C (8:00 AM CET on September 30, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:21 Francesca     @wunder elg
07:20 Francesca     bye
07:20 cdickinson    be back soon
07:20 * huginn      fills a pint glass with Maredsous 8, and sends it sliding down the bar to dcook (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/222/2508/)
07:20 cdickinson    gotta step out for a while
07:20 Francesca     @bartender dcook
07:20 dcook         Although this doesn't explain why barton was having problem..
07:20 cdickinson    passing the question baton over to you, Francesca
07:20 Francesca     dcook: well done, have a beer
07:20 Francesca     duh duh duuuuuuuh
07:20 cdickinson    someone has ideas, Francesca
07:20 Francesca     nice and fast now?
07:20 Francesca     yay!
07:20 Francesca     dunno why or how my name got in there though
07:20 dcook         I got it working
07:19 dcook         Muahaha
07:19 Francesca     I think it was set to your braaaaaaain
07:19 Francesca     oh my god I just lost it
07:19 cdickinson    <wahanui> Francesca's BRAAAAAAAIN! <--- what the
07:19 wahanui       okay, Francesca.
07:19 Francesca     wahanui you are also cdickinson
07:19 wahanui       Francesca's BRAAAAAAAIN!
07:19 cdickinson    be cdickinson
07:18 wahanui       okay, cdickinson.
07:18 cdickinson    wahanui: be cdickinson is also wahanui
07:18 Francesca     now wahanui sounds like cdickinson
07:18 wahanui       theres a sub-reddit for that
07:18 Francesca     be cdickinson
07:18 Francesca     oh god
07:18 Francesca     lol
07:18 dcook         cdickinson, you sound like wahanui now :p
07:17 cdickinson    you tell me, dcook
07:17 wahanui       OK, Francesca.
07:17 Francesca     wahanui bah is bah humbug
07:17 dcook         So what questions were there?
07:16 dcook         Bah..
07:15 dcook         Oh wait.. git install
07:15 Francesca     poke it with a stick
07:15 wahanui       it has been said that hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask?
07:15 Francesca     hahahahaha
07:15 dcook         Shouldn't this have autoupgraded..
07:15 dcook         Bah.. so many steps..
07:15 Francesca     yay!
07:15 * Francesca   sighs
07:15 Francesca     also essay
07:15 dcook         Woohoo. Install done.
07:15 Francesca     I'm not tech support
07:15 cdickinson    alright
07:14 Francesca     cdickinson if a question comes you're answering
07:13 dcook         Now I'm curious :p
07:13 dcook         Oooh this is the first time I've had to update config files for a package install... neato
07:13 wahanui       both is best :)
07:13 cdickinson    or both?
07:13 cdickinson    hard to explain? or interesting?
07:12 Francesca     actually that sums it up pretty well
07:12 wahanui       interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
07:12 dcook         Interesting..
07:12 Francesca     hard to explain
07:12 Francesca     heh sorry
07:12 dcook         ?
07:12 cdickinson    yep, for sure
07:12 Francesca     that would be awkward
07:11 * Francesca   hopes that cdickinson is not a husband
07:11 * dcook       hopes this goes faster
07:11 dcook         Missing dependencies... *sigh*
07:11 cdickinson    but I feel helpful
07:11 * cdickinson  is not a husband
07:10 * dcook       is super husband
07:10 dcook         My wife doesn't get done work for a while so I still have a bit of time to shop and cook
07:10 dcook         Mmm... I'm going to pull a cdickinson and keep poking
07:10 Francesca     Home time for you now?
07:10 cdickinson    lol liw
07:10 cdickinson    pretty much
07:10 dcook         3561 commits behind
07:10 Francesca     yay finally!
07:10 dcook         So considerably less than a RAID build :)
07:10 dcook         Done :)
07:08 Francesca     thats ages
07:08 Francesca     ugh
07:07 liw           estimated to rebuild a RAID is MTBF+1 day
07:07 dcook         Indeed!
07:07 Francesca     so close yet so far
07:07 dcook         88%...
07:07 dcook         :p
07:06 * Francesca   cowers in fear
07:06 * dcook       glares at Francesca
07:06 * Francesca   thinks that dcook should check his driver
07:06 cdickinson    rebuilding RAID arrays can take forevahhh
07:06 dcook         But I think it's about time I head home
07:05 dcook         Yeah I'm not sure why it's taking forever
07:05 cdickinson    to provide faster and more redundant storage
07:05 Francesca     oh ok
07:05 cdickinson    basically, a group of hard drives working together
07:05 cdickinson    Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks
07:05 Francesca     RAID?
07:04 cdickinson    sounds like a RAID rebuild or something
07:04 Francesca     wow
07:04 dcook         I'm guessing about 1.5 hours?
07:04 Francesca     how long has that been going on for
07:04 dcook         Still fetching :p
07:04 wahanui       0.84
07:04 Francesca     84%?
07:04 dcook         That's 23% in roughly 1 hour..
07:04 dcook         84%..
07:03 wahanui       hola, alex_a
07:03 alex_a        bonjour
07:00 Francesca     sup
07:00 reiveune      hi Francesca
07:00 Francesca     evening ashimema, reiveune
06:54 reiveune      hello
06:49 dcook         afternoon ashimema :)
06:48 ashimema      morning
06:16 mtj           http://joabj.com/Writing/Tech/Dev/1509-Software-Versioning.html
06:15 cdickinphone  Really should adjust that Overclock
06:15 cdickinphone  Screened*
06:15 cdickinphone  Blue careened
06:14 cdickinson    generally, if you do it in one thing, you should do it for everything, though
06:13 cdickinson    it's usually done with an 'ensure' parameter, which controls the state of the resource
06:13 cdickinson    I can change it so that you can do that, but that's a major change
06:12 cdickinson    and that's it
06:12 cdickinson    basically, if you define an MPM resource in Puppet, you want it installed
06:12 dcook         Ahh, that would be annoying
06:12 cdickinson    the resource that handles the MPMs
06:12 cdickinson    I can't just disable it because the resource in this module doesn't have any method of doing that
06:12 cdickinson    lol
06:12 dcook         1.5 years worth of commits... boo
06:12 cdickinson    ah
06:12 dcook         How is this Git still stuck at 61%..
06:11 dcook         Still don't get why you can't  just disable it :p
06:11 cdickinson    I would try it, but this works
06:11 cdickinson    can just get it to uninstall the event MPM package, instead of just removing the files
06:11 dcook         Ah right... there was also an apache_module resource
06:11 dcook         Can't remember if it does checking itself or not..
06:11 cdickinson    I might be able to do it in a nicer way
06:11 cdickinson    yeah
06:10 dcook         But after that was run, then I did the unloading/loading as required with no fuss
06:10 dcook         So with Chef, I was preloading an Apache recipe from... I can't remember who
06:10 dcook         Hmm I think I might understand..
06:09 cdickinson    but I don't really agree with how the module is designed, anyway
06:09 cdickinson    they wouldn't accept this upstream, I think
06:08 dcook         Ack phone
06:08 dcook         Right
06:08 cdickinson    for command executions, you need to define this yourself
06:08 cdickinson    when you define a resource in Puppet, it has to only make the change if it needs to
06:08 dcook         "make sure it would need to be run in the first place"?
06:08 cdickinson    dcook: I could, but that would be worse, because then I'd have to run an extra command to make sure it would need to be run in the first place
06:07 * dcook       has never used Puppet
06:07 cdickinson    a solution like yours would have been nice, but the Apache Puppet module doesn't have an 'ensure' parameter, which would do the same sort of thing
06:07 dcook         Why not just unload it using the Apache commands?
06:07 dcook         That certainly seems hacky
06:06 cdickinson    basically, since the event MPM always gets installed no matter how much I told it not to, I got rid of the configuration files after package install
06:05 pastebot      "cdickinson" at pasted "Apache Puppet Module hack" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86
06:04 * Francesca   is writing another essay about cats
06:02 cdickinson    dcook: one sec, I'll post mine
06:02 cdickinson    ouch
06:02 dcook         I think..
06:02 dcook         cdickinson: That's all I did in Chef to get around that libapache2-mod-itk issue
06:02 dcook         When AWS re-uses common names for their own whacky recipes..
06:01 pastebot      "dcook" at pasted "Ubuntu and Apache 2.4" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/85
06:01 cdickinson    but when did it become something that causes you nightmares
06:01 cdickinson    basically, a good idea
06:00 cdickinson    configuration management
06:00 cdickinson    lol
06:00 dcook         Man this is slow..
06:00 dcook         I think they might fix it eventually
06:00 dcook         The AWS ones have to do with namespace conflicts unfortunately...
06:00 cdickinson    and yes, some of them are not so great
06:00 * dcook       really is an Ansible convert these days
06:00 cdickinson    modules are user-written, and let you install things like Apache
05:59 dcook         err recipes
05:59 dcook         AWS's Chef modules are crap as well..
05:59 dcook         Some of the recipes for Chef out there aren't so great..
05:59 dcook         Puppet calls them modules?
05:59 dcook         Ahhhh, I gotcha now
05:58 cdickinson    I actually branched the official Apache Puppet module in order to fix that
05:58 Francesca     I see what you did there
05:58 cdickinson    wait a minute
05:58 * Francesca   slow claps
05:58 dcook         I probably have the recipe around somewhere..
05:58 dcook         I managed it with Chef all right
05:58 dcook         I know about *mod-itk
05:58 cdickinson    yep
05:58 dcook         I mean
05:58 wahanui       Really is more trouble than she's worth.
05:58 dcook         Really?
05:58 Francesca     for your project
05:58 cdickinson    had to work around that in my Koha Puppet module in order to get it to work
05:58 Francesca     cdickinson can we show him your webpage
05:57 cdickinson    in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, libapache2-mod-itk has a dumb bug that stops it configuring if the default MPM is configured
05:57 dcook         Or do you mean for your "as a Service" stuff specifically?
05:57 dcook         I have Koha running on Ubuntu on AWS without any hacks me thinks
05:57 dcook         That's... surprising
05:57 dcook         Hmm? Hacks to work on Ubuntu?
05:56 Francesca     and I run mac os x and ubuntu on a vm so
05:56 cdickinson    in fact, I had to add hacks to make it work on Ubuntu >_>
05:56 cdickinson    dcook: I use Ubuntu on my Koha as a Service, though I made everything as platform-agnostic as possible
05:56 Francesca     you're not alone
05:56 Francesca     he runs windows dcook
05:56 wahanui       Francesca: cdickinson =is= <reply> I run windows. Don't judge me.|dirt poor most of the time|<reply> I've been awake for 30 hours. Please don't judge me.|<reply> tech support for everyone
05:56 Francesca     literal cdickinson
05:56 dcook         Being the odd one out is no fun :p
05:56 dcook         I really wish that I used Debian for Koha sometimes :p
05:55 cdickinson    but there was an example one in the git repo which was more helpful
05:55 cdickinson    I suspect koha-conf-site.xml.in doesn't
05:55 dcook         koha-conf.xml should even have the instructions inside
05:55 dcook         Yep
05:55 cdickinson    in koha-conf.xml
05:55 cdickinson    when configuring the listen segments?
05:54 wahanui       okay, Francesca.
05:54 Francesca     cdickinson is also <reply> tech support for everyone
05:54 dcook         cdickinson: I haven't done it, but I'd say use tcp rather than unix sockets
05:53 wahanui       okay, cdickinson.
05:53 cdickinson    wahanui: facepalm is also <reply> http://media1.giphy.com/media/6OWIl75ibpuFO/giphy.gif
05:53 wahanui       cdickinson: facepalm =is= <reply>http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg|a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity.
05:53 cdickinson    literal facepalm
05:53 cdickinson    dcook: have any idea how to run a Zebra server on a separate machine from the Koha instance?
05:52 wahanui       http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg
05:52 * Francesca   facepalms
05:52 Francesca     koha'
05:52 Francesca     actually kohl-community was down earlier
05:52 cdickinson    in that case, I have a question, dcook
05:52 dcook         Actually, the problem looks like Koha and not Zebra
05:52 cdickinson    you are always supportive in the weirdest of ways, Francesca
05:52 dcook         I think I'm the Zebra whisperer
05:52 Francesca     can't help with that sorry
05:52 cdickinson    lol
05:52 dcook         Even though it works for me :p
05:51 Francesca     oh
05:51 * Francesca   dies laughing
05:51 dcook         Only reason I'm on this VM is to see why Zebra isn't working for barton
05:51 * dcook       is the pot calling the kettle black
05:51 Francesca     if its broken he'll fix it
05:51 dcook         I'm the same way
05:51 Francesca     bone
05:51 dcook         I like that
05:51 dcook         haaha
05:51 Francesca     cdickinson is like a dog with a home
05:51 cdickinson    but I care
05:51 cdickinson    I noticed
05:51 Francesca     hahaha
05:51 * dcook       wonders if anyone noticed when he said that he doesn't really care in this case ;)
05:51 cdickinson    as long as it's not LLVMpipe, you're good
05:50 Francesca     I might be able to take a screenshot and stick in here if that helps
05:50 cdickinson    and see if the renderer is 'Chromium' or something like that
05:50 cdickinson    dcook: all good. run 'glxinfo | grep renderer' after you do it
05:50 dcook         Still only halfway through the git fetch atm..
05:49 dcook         Well, I'll take a look at that later :)
05:49 Francesca     hahahaha
05:49 dcook         O_o
05:49 cdickinson    on the host, update VirtualBox. in the guest, install DKMS and reinstall the VirtualBox Guest Additions
05:48 cdickinson    yep
05:48 dcook         Sorry, I meant the guest is Debian. The host is Windows.
05:48 cdickinson    and make sure VirtualBox is up to date as well
05:47 Francesca     he hates broken slow virtual machines
05:47 cdickinson    dcook: make sure DKMS is installed, then reinstall the VirtualBox Guest Additions
05:47 dcook         hehe
05:47 Francesca     he'll want to fix it now
05:47 dcook         cdickinson: Yeah, it's Virtualbox and Debian. I fixed it ages ago but it seems like it reverted. I almost never use this VM so I don't really care :)
05:46 cdickinson    if it's VirtualBox, then fixing it for Ubuntu or Debian isn't hard, just gotta know what to do
05:46 Francesca     he fixed mine
05:46 Francesca     hahahaha cdickinson to the rescue
05:45 cdickinson    what hypervisor are you using?
05:45 cdickinson    dcook: maybe I can help
05:45 dcook         Mine had to do with 3D acceleration I think..
05:44 Francesca     not wahanuis
05:44 Francesca     it was my vm
05:44 Francesca     Lol we managed to fix it in the end
05:44 dcook         Actually... I thought that I had fixed that with my VM and now the video driver is having an issue..
05:44 Francesca     I forgot that one existed
05:44 dcook         Good luck with that :p
05:44 Francesca     hahahahahaha
05:43 wahanui       is waging a war against the video driver that continues to fail on her vm
05:43 dcook         heya Francesca
05:43 * Francesca   waves at dcook
05:43 dcook         Mmm about a year and a half's worth..
05:42 dcook         I wonder how many commits this VM's git is behind..
05:17 huginn        dcook: The operation succeeded.
05:17 dcook         @later tell barton left heaps of comments for you on bug 14861
05:17 huginn        dcook: The operation succeeded.
05:17 dcook         @later tell barton|away left heaps of comments for you on bug 14861
03:18 ibeardslee    haven't they already popped in about that recently?
03:12 drescot       FREE EBOOKS FOR FREE PEOPLE  http://spiritualwarfare666.webs.com/Satans_Library.htm
02:46 Francesca     cdickinson said something too rude to literally put in here so summed up he called the dog a jerk
02:45 Francesca     ouch
02:45 wizzyrea      http://ministryofgifs.org/post/130175259402
02:43 Francesca     hahahaha
02:43 wizzyrea      smart*er
02:42 wizzyrea      I think before I was smart, I bought it on iTunes.
02:42 wizzyrea      now that I did know
02:42 eythian       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQW72hk8B4 <-- wizzyrea, did you know they had a short-lived TV series
02:42 wizzyrea      hehe
02:41 Francesca     cdickinson feels sorry for you
02:41 wizzyrea      yep :)
02:41 Francesca     you did that?
02:41 wizzyrea      oh right because I stopped driving all over northeast kansas fixing computers and soothing librarians.
02:41 eythian       http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/561/nummi-2015 <-- this
02:41 Francesca     why did you?
02:40 wizzyrea      why did I stop listening to that?
02:40 wizzyrea      oh I used to love this american life.
02:40 eythian       There was a great TAL episode about the US car industry, though focusing on GM
02:40 Francesca     hahahaha
02:40 * wizzyrea    was taught that Ford stood for "Fix or repair daily"
02:39 wizzyrea      also, Ford has made an open standard for integrating phones with cars. That seems... remarkably thoughtful of them.
02:38 wizzyrea      Isn't that what the article says?
02:34 Francesca     cdickinson says make it part of the catalyst cloud and establish a data centre on mars
02:33 Francesca     we shall establish a koha library then return home victorious
02:33 wizzyrea      and it must be a Koha library
02:33 Francesca     please make it return
02:33 wizzyrea      too*
02:33 wizzyrea      I love you to ibeardslee
02:32 wizzyrea      we must make sure to put the first library on mars.
02:32 ibeardslee    I'll start a pledgeme campaign .. one way right?
02:32 wizzyrea      hehe sure
02:32 Francesca     if so can I come
02:32 wizzyrea      :D
02:32 Francesca     wizzyrea is koha going to mars? https://catalyst.net.nz/news/mars-beckons-open-source-pioneers
02:13 wizzyrea      I'm... not sure I disagree with this tactic.
02:10 * eythian     wants to be on the QA team just so he can create a form reply saying "You haven't documented this. To the back of the queue!"
01:42 eythian       khall_away: Koha::Object is way underdocumented, you should explain its purpose and how it should be used in the perldoc, otherwise no one else can meaningfully use it.
00:55 wizzyrea      yes true
00:55 eythian       wizzyrea: let's encrypt is coming out soon anyway
00:52 wizzyrea      I'd be SUPERHAPPY to set it up once I have a cert tho
00:51 wizzyrea      I already pay for the server so
00:51 wizzyrea      ibeardslee: nobody wants to pay for the cert.