Time Nick Message 22:47 Francesca hey wizzyrea, eythian 22:37 eythian hi 22:32 wizzyrea hi 21:06 wnickc hi cait 21:05 Francesca hey cait :) 21:05 cait hi Francesca and wnickc :) 21:00 wnickc gloomy wahanui 20:59 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 20:59 Francesca good morning 18:43 magnuse thanks cdickinson and tmcmahon 18:26 tmcmahon magnuse: I haven't tried any, but poedit and others are listed here: http://alternativeto.net/software/better-po-editor/ 18:25 cdickinson magnuse: poedit is available on Windows - https://poedit.net/download 18:16 magnuse anyone know if there are tools for translating .po files that run on windows? like poedit or lokalize? 18:12 * nengard waves back 18:10 * magnuse waves to nengard 16:53 cait bye :) 16:50 lari okay it's there :) have a great evening, bye! 16:45 lari actually just one since we need to get the message anyway, but still :) 16:45 lari yeah, pointless 2 queries ^^ 16:44 nitz0 hi cait 16:44 cait hi nitz0 16:44 nitz0 hi everybody 16:43 cait because updating pending to pending... :) 16:42 lari it shouldnt change anything 16:40 cait timestamp maybe, but that is not used anywhere it hink 16:40 cait hm it might make sense - it wouldn't change something, right? 16:39 lari cait, pending messages are excluded from resend in the notices table. would you like to have it in the ResendMessage() subroutine as well? 16:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12426 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Needs Signoff , Allow resending of emails from the notices tab in the patron account 16:36 lari Joubu, bug 12426, sorry I didn't find the trailing whitespaces (i didnt get any complaints either)? 16:34 Joubu Have a good evening #koha! 16:34 Joubu (and good beers) 16:17 drojf anyway i hope they have a huge university :D 16:16 drojf votes 16:15 drojf i think they had ~400 voted? 16:14 drojf how many came to reno? 16:06 cait well you never know 16:05 cait could be the biggest one so far :) 16:05 cait was wondering something similar earlier 16:05 Joubu Should we expect 1000 Koha users for the KohaCon16?? 15:57 huginn` cait: Information concerning the supplement or special issue associated with the target item but cataloged and/or input as a separate record (vertical relationship). When a note is generated from this field, the introductory phrase Has supplement: may be generated based on the field tag for display. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8] 15:57 cait @marc 770 15:57 huginn` cait: unknown tag 750 15:57 cait @marc 750 15:42 barton cait: I'm not *really* sure what they're using thos indexes for... I think that they just happen to have ISBNs/ISSNs in the 7XX range tht they want to search on. 15:40 * cait tends to agree 15:40 cait barton: did they specify what they want to do ? :) 15:40 barton Ok, so at this point, I'm feeling like if we want to add these to separate indexes, we're ok, but adding them to the existing indexes would be messy. 15:39 talljoy i think the match checks would help here, but I've never gotten 'match checks' to work on import. 15:38 barton Yeah... I also wonder about ISBN normalization, come to think of it... 15:38 cait hm that's what i thought, but was not sure 15:38 talljoy in the database 15:37 talljoy i think....it checks the specified tag in the incoming record against the entire index. so you could match an 'unmatchable' record if the isbn was in 7xx tag 15:37 cait we have Control-number index for 001 - but the $w that are used with the 001 number for linking are in rcn - record-control-number I think 15:37 barton jinkx. 15:37 cait hm wonder if this could be handles similar to 001/$w 15:37 barton talljoy -- yeah, the question is whether it would affect record matching. any ideas? 15:37 talljoy that's a good question about the match. 15:36 Joubu (it just check a variable that is used in ... another script, c/p is baaad!) 15:36 talljoy we are talking about the obscure isbn index on 7xx 15:36 cait not against indexig it in genral... just not sure about rusing the existing indexes, it might make them 'fuzzy' 15:36 cait not sure about their use case 15:36 cait maybe a new index? 15:35 cait also an isbn search would find all records linked to it - it woudl be quite unspecific in some cases 15:35 barton talljoy ^^ 15:35 wahanui the field is mandatory or not 15:35 tcohen cait: the field 15:35 barton cait. good point. 15:35 cait i am not sure if the matching only checks the index or also if the value is in a specific field - joy might now 15:34 cait if you put them in the same index as issn/isbn - wouldn't that throw off the matching on issn/isbn for imports? 15:34 Joubu Well, just got an error :) 15:34 cait barton: I think the 7xx are linking fields 15:33 tcohen you never push a big red button 15:33 cait barton: not sure that's a good idea 15:33 tcohen Joubu: don't! 15:32 barton ok. I'll do that. thanks. 15:32 * Joubu wants to click 15:32 tcohen yeap 15:32 barton dev list? 15:32 tcohen barton: I think it makes sense, but maybe ask on the list 15:32 Joubu "Category MY_CAT is in use. Deletion not possible!", and you get a big button "Delete this category"... hum.. 15:30 marcelr have to go 15:29 barton they want to extend ISSN to include $x for 770, 775, 780, 785, and extend ISBN to include $z for 770, 775, 780, 785 15:29 marcelr nice in may or june :) 15:29 marcelr greece++ 15:29 tcohen that's a fair question, what are those indexes? 15:29 barton tcohen: I have a question about some zebra indexes that one of our partner wants to add -- I'd like to know if I can get them into community, or whether I should simply make them custom changes for the library... 15:28 drojf want 15:28 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 28.0°C (6:20 PM EEST on September 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 15:28 drojf @wunder thessaloniki 15:28 drojf can we go to greece now? i bet its warmer 15:26 tcohen no, seriously, there was a missing dependency for the tests 15:25 tcohen :-P 15:25 tcohen problem solved: i deleted the node 15:25 tcohen that was on the 12.04+mariadb node 15:25 tcohen ah 15:25 marcelr it is in the jenkins logs 15:24 tcohen marcelr: where did u get that error? 15:22 cait and drojf++ for runnign the vote 15:21 cait successful_decision_making++ :) 15:20 drojf at least i hope i'm going :D 15:20 drojf we're going to greece :) 15:16 cait what i currently see is that koha uses tha patron home library and includes all items fromall branches in the notice 15:16 cait all items of one brnach in one notice? and another for the next branch? 15:15 cait hm is there a possibility to send separate DUEDGST for each branch? 15:11 Joubu yes of course :) 15:02 tcohen Joubu: do u have a UNIMARC testing env? 14:57 cait marcelr++ 14:56 marcelr yes it is 14:56 cait marcelr: nice feature - the reminder notices 14:46 tcohen unimarc author? 14:24 marcelr Failed test 'use Koha::Sitemapper;' 14:06 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14640: 'Cancel Hold' check box on check-out confirmation does not cancel the... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a37b3bb7f76b5ddea7400f5268c592c0cc578a8c> / Bug 14640: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=10820de380695f90fd544b40b52682efcf83a962> / Bug 10005: Inventory - Add an option to not check in items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh 13:56 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13622: [QA Follow-up] Add unit test descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72d9c28bbf2b715fddc684fbb4a8b79c27a9fa49> / Bug 13622: Display a datetime without time in a notice <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cef7cd40ce5b2fe1505245cf232d4338b10eba3e> / Bug 14813: Fix encoding issues on editing help pages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g 13:43 marcelr you could just depend on testbuilder for the transaction? 13:43 tcohen once you write that refactoring you've just volunteered to :-P 13:43 tcohen i'm pushing it, but we could consider just removing it 13:43 marcelr not always? 13:42 tcohen Joubu: but is always superseded by the test file's transaction handling 13:42 Joubu Actually it should be moved to DataBuilder or something, and TestBuilder would use it and handle the transaction 13:41 Joubu Since we only use it for tests, I'd say yes 13:41 tcohen Joubu, marcelr: 14197 definitely fixes the warn, but do we need to handle the transaction inside testbuilder? 13:32 magnuse cait: yup 13:30 Joubu yes, defo 13:27 tcohen we shouldn't ask for a yaml file, but for yaml content on the syspref 13:24 cait i think oai works totally without sets too, doesn't it? so sets are optional? 13:14 Joubu the config file would contain the default value, which could be overwritten by the set-level 13:13 Joubu tcohen: it could be added later if needed by someone 13:13 Joubu we cannot do it in the conf file for set-level 13:13 marcelr hi tcohen magnuse Joubu cait and others 13:13 Joubu tcohen: What I understood from the discussion was it is better to put it in the conf file 13:12 Joubu tcohen: where? In the conf file? 13:10 cait sounds cryptic 13:10 tcohen Joubu: would you prefer to add the option to include items at a set-level? 13:07 * tcohen is staring at his queue 13:07 tcohen Joubu: it seems you are back :-D 13:07 * cait waves 13:06 Joubu hi tcohen 13:05 tcohen hi Joubu 13:04 tcohen hi magnuse 13:04 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 13:03 tcohen morning 12:27 cait :) 12:15 marcelr drojf++ Joubu++ # 14321 12:14 marcelr hi #koha 12:14 misilot or receive* 12:13 misilot how do I check in an issue? I feel like I am missing it somewhere 12:13 magnuse heh, in wavemon, if you press f8 for help, it just says "don't panic" in friendly letters 12:04 cait i missed my moment... right? 12:04 cait all the votes! 12:04 cait close the vote! 12:03 drojf lol 12:03 drojf bad internet, deactivated 12:03 Joubu wait! I forgot to vote several times! 12:01 * magnuse cheers drojf on 12:00 wahanui hey now now, sing this corrosion to me 12:00 drojf now? 12:00 drojf in a minute 11:59 drojf time to close the vote, right cait? 11:56 cait itsallonfire: it will make everything in the future easier 11:56 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 11:56 cait packages? 11:56 cait itsallonfire: if you reinstall koha for testing, make sure you install the packages 11:37 cait it means only reindexing the newly changed records since yur last index time... which hsould be automated 11:36 cait you shoudln#t need to run that if it was set up correctly 11:36 cait hm -z 11:13 itsallonfire I may have also threatened the server with the special hammer I keep in there. 11:12 itsallonfire So I switched it off and on again. ;) 11:12 itsallonfire That happens sometimes, and I run "perl rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a" which didn't do the trick on this occasion. 11:11 itsallonfire After a couple of attempts, I started getting the koha login screen instead of the phpMySql one. The patrons were all there, but I couldn't search the catalogue. 11:10 itsallonfire I wish I knew. 11:05 Joubu cardiac massage certainly 11:05 drojf what did you do to reanimate it? 10:54 itsallonfire And I don't trust it! ;) 10:54 itsallonfire I'm still going to carry on with the test server and the new version. Because frankly I could do with knowing more about it. 10:53 itsallonfire Hmm... With my various proddings, I appear to have coaxed it back to life. 10:37 cait bbl 10:35 itsallonfire Brucey bonus. 10:34 drojf irc on the phone that is 10:34 drojf seems to work 10:32 itsallonfire Righto, I'll give that a bash and report back. Cheers everyone. :) 10:31 drojf later #koha 10:30 drojf i'd recommend that to try the db/test the upgrade 10:30 itsallonfire I could always spin up a new virtual server, bung a new linux install on it. 10:30 drojf probably do a test installation in either latest ubuntu LTS or debian wheezy/jessie 10:29 Joubu Check the hardware before upgrading everything 10:28 drojf not sure how well recent koha works on 11.04 10:28 drojf indeed ;) 10:28 drojf that could use an upgrade too 10:28 itsallonfire This whole thing is ancient... 10:27 itsallonfire it's running on ubuntu 11.04 10:27 drojf that should work 10:27 drojf ok 10:27 itsallonfire 5.1.54 10:27 drojf i think that won't be necessary 10:27 drojf my notes were for installing koha 2.2.6 on wheezy :D dealing with the switch to mysql 5.x 10:26 drojf itsallonfire: what version of mysql are you on? 5.x? 10:25 Francesca essays 10:25 Francesca but still 10:25 Francesca not that I'd be able to help much with this problem anyways 10:25 Francesca and i have an essay to write 10:24 drojf i may lurk on the phone if irc works there ;) 10:24 drojf i have to leave in a minute. just looking if i find notes on what i had to do with the sql of an old installation 10:24 cait i have to take care of an acq migration data mappig now... *sigh* 10:23 cait and Joubu 10:23 * cait hands over to drojf ;) 10:23 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (10:00 PM NZST on September 16, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 10:23 Francesca @wunder wlg 10:23 huginn` Francesca: Error: No such location could be found. 10:23 Francesca @wunder wlf 10:22 cait yeah, that could be 10:22 itsallonfire I imagine one was an old test then 10:22 itsallonfire fair enough. 10:22 cait there should only be one 10:22 cait hm 10:21 itsallonfire I have dumps of both the koha and kohadata databases. 10:21 drojf yes we are curious :D 10:21 Joubu dump it now :) 10:21 cait i think if the db is not compromised... you will be fine in the end 10:20 cait ah ok 10:20 itsallonfire As I have to run some command to rebuild it occasionally. 10:20 drojf that sounds like your apache is confused 10:20 itsallonfire Pretty sure it uses zebra. 10:20 Joubu but if the issue is that some files have been deleted (??), git should be able to restore them 10:20 drojf there was nozebra still in 3.04? :) 10:20 itsallonfire It's really odd. If I try to browse to it, the server takes me to the phpMyAdmin login page. If I try to log in to that, it takes me to a 404 koha page. 10:19 cait if not frm nozebra to zebra :) 10:19 drojf or you run into problems. some of which can be fixed 10:19 cait true, probably needs to switch to dom too 10:19 drojf but if it works on a test installation, you know the db is alright and you can respawn koha 10:19 Joubu cait: I think it's time to upgrade, yes :) 10:18 drojf yes, a lot of new awesomeness :) 10:18 cait from 3.4.2 to a latest 3.20 version that would be 10:18 cait but 3.4.2 would be quite a jump in features and appearance i think 10:17 drojf what cait says. then install latest koha on a test system and try to set up an instance with the db dump. that should upgrade your old stuff and work if the db is ok 10:17 cait Joubu: what do you think about reinstalling Koha for itsallonfire - not sure what would be best? 10:16 itsallonfire Thanks. :D 10:16 Francesca itsallonfire: hope your problem gets sorted out but on a totally unrelated note you have an awesome nickname 10:16 cait i think i'd recommend to do a mysqldump first and keep that save 10:16 cait that's a pretty old version 10:16 cait hm ok 10:15 itsallonfire That vomes back with 3.0402000 10:15 wahanui cdickinson: huh? 10:15 cdickinson wahanui: literal evil 10:14 cdickinson evil 10:14 Francesca sigh 10:14 wahanui essay writing is evil 10:14 Francesca essay writing 10:11 cait if it deleted all the koha things... that sounds really bad 10:10 cait if you can, this should give you the version: select * from systempreferences where variable = "Version" 10:10 cait check if that is still ok? 10:10 cait itsallonfire: can you get into the mysqldatabas? 10:09 itsallonfire Although the latest set of release notes on the doc folder is for 3.0.5 10:08 itsallonfire I just get "grep: kohaversion.pl: No such file or directory" 09:58 schnydszch a ha the mysql percona server I installed 09:58 Joubu itsallonfire: grep VERSION kohaversion.pl 09:57 Joubu KOHA_CONF defined correctly, restart mysql/mariadb 09:57 itsallonfire That's a very good question. Is there any way to find that out when it's not running? 09:57 Joubu Check the DB conn 09:56 schnydszch so I'm getting this instead: Software error: Can't call method "do" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 793. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 89. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 25. 09:56 schnydszch thanks Joubu cait but I seemed to messed up with the test server when I deleted all files in tmp, which I should have only deleted the nytprofs 09:52 Joubu itsallonfire: What's the Koha version? 09:52 cait schnydszch: less accurate (you want to turn off the number shown behind the facet) but way faster for big collections 09:50 itsallonfire Good morning. :) I've inherited an old Koha system that I know very little about. It was plodding along nicely until we had a power cut yesterday. Prodding about I think some of the files may have vanished on me. I'm getting "File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/js" pop up in the error log. When I browse to the htdocs folder it contains an intranet-tmpl folder but nothing else. Any thoughts? 09:39 Joubu "the old facet method" means 0 or does not exist 09:39 Joubu "facets are retrieved from zebra" means use_zebra_facets = 1 09:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13665 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow 09:38 Joubu you should def read the description of bug 13665 09:38 schnydszch ok I'll try 09:38 Joubu no 09:38 schnydszch do i need to reindex this? 09:37 Joubu yes 09:37 schnydszch so if I change to 0, searching will be faster? 09:37 Joubu schnydszch: ok so it's a known bug, the one I gave you 09:37 Joubu If the tag does not exist or set to 0, you are using the old way: wrong facet but fast 09:36 schnydszch yeah it's one 09:36 Joubu these are correctly calculated facets, but it depends on the number of results 09:36 Joubu well, in your koha-conf.xml file, there should be a use_zebra_facets tag, if set to 1, you are using the facets calculated and retrieved from zebra 09:35 Joubu Does $KOHA_CONF defined? 09:33 schnydszch it hanged when I issued that Joubu 09:31 Joubu grep use_zebra_facets $KOHA_CONF 09:30 schnydszch sorry, how do I know how facets are calculated? 09:28 Joubu How are the facets calculated? 09:28 schnydszch of records 09:28 schnydszch a keyword that gives me 245k plus 09:28 schnydszch I search for a keyword 09:27 Joubu How did you reach this call? What are you trying do to? 09:26 schnydszch I've already optimized the mysql database 09:26 schnydszch any advise then on what to do? 09:24 schnydszch so it's a bug? 09:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13665 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow 09:22 Joubu schnydszch: you should have a look at bug 13665 09:20 schnydszch :) 09:20 schnydszch what flavor is your paste wahanui? 09:19 schnydszch http://paste.koha-community.org/73 09:19 schnydszch I see that subroutine resultset_record has a time of 12.6s with 18 calls (?) 09:18 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org 09:18 drojf paste? 09:18 drojf schnydszch: maybe use paste for such things, thats better to read 09:18 schnydszch Filename /usr/lib/perl5/Net/Z3950/ZOOM.pm Statements Executed 0 statements in 0s Subroutines Calls P F Exclusive Time Inclusive Time Subroutine 18 1 1 12.6s 12.6s Net::Z3950::ZOOM::resultset_record (xsub) 12 1 1 457ms 457ms Net::Z3950::ZOOM::event (xsub) 1 1 1 1.86ms 1.86ms Net::Z3950::ZOOM::query_ccl2rpn (xsub) 18 1 1 244µs 392µs Net::Z3950::ZOOM::record_get 20 1 1 97µs 97µs Net::Z3950::ZOOM::connection_error_x (xsub) 18 1 1 93µs 93µs Net::Z3950:: 09:17 schnydszch in fact I already have the nytprof 09:16 schnydszch yes 09:16 Joubu schnydszch: Have you read the wiki page? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Profiling_with_Devel::NYTProf 09:02 schnydszch and interpret so I can adjust what needs optimization 09:01 schnydszch can somebody here knows how to read nytprof? 09:00 schnydszch hello koha community! 08:15 drojf hi cait 08:13 * magnuse waves back 08:05 * cait waves 08:01 magnuse drojf: cool :-) 07:18 drojf then it will only take a week to clean out the cheaters until you all get the results :P 07:18 drojf magnuse: yes it does, at 12 utc 07:13 drojf koha even 07:13 drojf morning #kohaq 07:09 dcook laters all 06:59 wahanui hi, alex_a 06:59 alex_a bonjour 06:58 wahanui que tal, Joubu 06:58 Joubu hi 06:56 fridolin bonjour tout le monde 06:45 * cait waves back and runs off to work 06:43 magnuse bonjour fridolin 06:33 fridolin hie there 06:30 reiveune salut dcook 06:29 dcook yo reiveune 06:29 dcook on either count 06:29 dcook Mmm dunno? 06:27 * magnuse wonders why @kohails is tweeting about yoga 06:26 reiveune hello 06:24 magnuse does kohacon16 voting end today? 06:24 magnuse yo dcook! 06:18 * dcook also waves to a quiet cait 06:18 dcook yo magnuse 06:16 * magnuse waves 03:32 wahanui wizzyrea is desperate to make a snarky reply here, but I'm not feeling very creative :) 03:32 Amit_Gupta heya wizzyrea 03:31 wizzyrea later 03:30 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha Amit_Gupta wizzyrea. 03:05 Amit_Gupta hi all