Time Nick Message 00:26 irma martian can you check to see if the sys preference "intranetreadinghistory" is set to "Allow"? 01:58 jcamins @later tell oleonard A counterpoint on the custom Bootstrap idea: if libraries are customizing their OPAC, and told "the Koha theme is based on Bootstrap 2.x," they might reasonably expect to be able to use all of Bootstrap. That said, I have no pony in this race. 01:58 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 04:24 dcook Laaaaag :( 05:01 schnydszch Hi! Regarding koha 2015 bid yes the location for the Philippine bid will still be at the National Librarybof the Philippines. I think the meeting is five hours away, am I right? 06:08 * magnuse waves 06:22 magnuse meeting in 3 hours ~40 minutes? 06:34 reiveune hello 06:40 magnuse bonjour reiveune viktorsarge_ 06:40 reiveune salut magnuse 06:41 sophie_m hello #koha 06:42 viktorsarge_ salut magnuse 06:43 Viktor And good morgning (or evening) all of #koha 06:44 schnydszch Hi! ICYMI: The 2016 koha con proposal by the Philippines has still the support of the National Library of the Philippines, hence, the proposal's location venue is still the National Library. Good day (or good evening or good afternoon) to all! 06:46 schnydszch and yeah to answer drojf query and to answer questions of everybody, yes, we have the full support of the National Library of the Philippines in hosting 2016 kohacon 06:52 alex_a bonjour 06:52 wahanui bonjour, alex_a 07:10 drojf morning #koha 07:11 drojf dcook++ 07:25 gaetan_B hello 07:25 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B 07:26 drojf lol mtompsett 07:32 magnuse meeting in 2.5 hours! 07:33 drojf hei magnuse 07:40 magnuse moin drojf 07:50 * magnuse sets off to drive the final stake through the heart of ncip 07:51 drojf can't you kill marc first? :P 07:53 magnuse MARC is a zombie... 07:53 drojf the walking MARC 07:54 magnuse :-O 07:55 magnuse night of the living MARC 07:55 drojf waaaah 08:50 nlegrand Hey #koha o/ 08:54 magnuse \o/ 09:17 * magnuse will be back for the meeting 10:03 BobB meeting time? 10:03 wahanui well, meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe 10:03 magnuse yeah, think so 10:03 cait yes i think so 10:03 cait one sec 10:03 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_9_September_2015 10:03 BobB np 10:04 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 9 September 2015 10:04 huginn Meeting started Wed Sep 9 10:04:46 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:04 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 10:04 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_9_september_2015' 10:04 cait #topic introductions 10:04 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 10:05 cait please introduce yourself with #info, the agenda of today's meeting can be found under 10:05 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_9_September_2015 10:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 10:05 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 10:05 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia 10:05 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:06 cait a lot of people are on vacation this week 10:06 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:06 drojf way less than last week, as was shown by anecdotal evidence at the last meeting 10:07 ikourmou #info Giannis Kourmoulis, Aristotle Univesity of Thessaloniki, Greece 10:07 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 10:07 cait small = quick? one can hope :) 10:07 magnuse :-) 10:07 cait ok, moving on 10:07 BobB seldom turns out that way :) 10:07 cait #topic Announcements 10:08 cait noone? 10:08 wahanui noone is here! 10:08 cait we had a gbsd that i think was pretty successful 10:08 cait #info GBSD on 3 September was successful 10:08 drojf do you have the stats link? 10:09 ashimema I'm aware of the PTFS sandboxes being a bit fragile at the moment.. it's on my list at some piont to investigate. 10:09 cait can you find it? 10:09 cait do youwant me to info? 10:09 ashimema that was sorta related to gbsd 10:09 cait ok :) 10:09 cait khall did a screenshare session and i know at least 2 new sign-offers came out of it 10:09 drojf no did not bookmark it apparently 10:09 cait so i am pretty happy overall 10:10 magnuse yup, good gbsd! 10:10 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2015-09-03_Global_bug_squashing_day 10:10 BobB we didn't achieve a sign-off but a couple of things got moved along 10:10 cait i think it woudl be good if we offered something similar next time as well 10:10 * cait nods 10:10 schnydszch2 #info Eugene Espinoza 10:10 cait also some bugzilla clean-up was done 10:10 drojf http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl 10:11 drojf definitely made an impact 10:11 drojf made, had, too early for english 10:11 cait ok, moving on :) 10:11 cait #topic Update on Releases 10:12 cait any RM* here? 10:12 BobB mtj? 10:12 wahanui i think mtj is DeM KraZy NutZ!! 10:12 cait ok, i'd say things aremoving along nicely 10:13 cait #info Fridolin announced EOL for 3.14 on the mailing list 10:13 cait anything else? 10:13 wahanui anything else is just being crap 10:13 cait ah 10:14 cait #info Plack packages need testing 10:14 BobB wahanui be polite 10:14 wahanui BobB: huh? 10:14 cait probably not a good description - but tomas pushed plack scripts for packages to master and they need more testing :) 10:14 cait ok, moving on 10:15 cait #info KohaCon15 10:15 magnuse there should be a branch in kohadevbox with that stuff soon, to help with the testing 10:15 cait um 10:15 cait #info magnuse and tcohen are working on a branch for kohadevbox to help with the testing 10:15 cait thx magnuse 10:15 cait moving on 10:15 cait #topic KohaCon15 10:15 cait is one of the organizers present? 10:16 cait or someone attending / with information? 10:16 ashimema We have a couple of customers running Plack and CGI in parallel for live systems now. 10:16 drojf when is it? octoberß 10:16 cait I thin in week 43 10:16 cait ashimema: runnign opac and staff? 10:16 drojf i don't live by weeks ;) 10:17 ashimema staff is what we're trailing I think 10:17 drojf but that would be in a month if my calendar is right 10:17 cait #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/ 10:17 ashimema to improve performance for them.. very big customers.. 10:17 cait #link http://kohacon15.projektlinkkonsult.com/ 10:18 schnydszch2 Philippine representative here 10:18 cait anything more plack or kohacon15? 10:18 drojf brb 10:18 schnydszch2 Workung meeting luch for me 10:18 ashimema not form me 10:18 cait ok 10:18 cait #topic KohaCon16 10:18 cait who wants to go first? :) 10:19 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon16_Proposals 10:19 drojf back 10:19 cait we got 2 proposals this year 10:19 drojf well, we have… yes, that :) 10:19 ikourmou Thessaloniki rep here 10:19 * drojf flips a coin 10:19 cait One from Thessaloniki, Greece and another from the Philippines 10:20 cait drojf: what's the result? 10:20 wahanui i guess the result is the same but legally, i don't think we can have discount on taxes... 10:20 drojf any news from greece about kohacon 2016, ikourmou? 10:20 ikourmou We are on track for the migration, we go live next week 10:21 drojf oh, good luck 10:21 ikourmou I would like to know the voting page URL, so that i inform my colleagues 10:21 drojf the proposal was clear, no questions from me. anything else you would like to add? 10:21 ashimema do we have one yet ;) 10:22 drojf no we don't, we will have at the end of the meeting :) 10:22 cait fingers crossed! 10:22 ashimema :) 10:22 cait oh 10:22 drojf hm timing is everything 10:22 wahanui i already had it that way, drojf. 10:22 ikourmou ok, if you need anything to clarify regarding our proposal... 10:22 cait ah we still got a schnydszch 10:22 ikourmou i'm willing to do so 10:22 drojf ikourmou: i think it is all there :) 10:23 drojf any news about kohacon 2016 from the philippines, schnydszch2? 10:23 thd schnydszch2: Do you have an update on the venue in consequence of the national library not being available? 10:23 schnydszch2 We have the full support of the national library of the philippines on this 10:23 schnydszch2 So the location will still be the national library of the philippines 10:24 drojf great 10:24 schnydszch2 It will be available durong that tike according to estimate 10:24 thd schnydszch2: Great :) 10:24 drojf so should i add manila then to the voting site? so far i have "thessaloniki, greece" and "philippines" which is a little odd :) 10:25 schnydszch2 Manila, philippones 10:25 cait #info Location for the Philippines is Manila, National library 10:25 schnydszch2 Manila, Philippines* 10:25 drojf ok i will change that before it goes live 10:25 drojf schnydszch2 anything else you would like to add? 10:25 schnydszch2 National Library of the Philippines, Manila, Philippines 10:27 schnydszch2 Nothing. Everything else is in the wiki proposal 10:27 drojf we will start voting now. there are only two candidates, so that won't be too complicated. basically, i have two options 10:27 drojf "now", after the meeting really 10:27 cait how long is it going to run? 10:28 thd What had we determined about polling period last month. 10:28 thd ? 10:28 drojf we could do a simple radio button vote where you choose on option, or a ranking. the ranking would have also the option of either one or two votes, like "i prefer a, but would go to b" or "i would only go to a" 10:29 drojf in the latter case we would have to decide how to count that. given it is only two options, it will probably not make a difference in the end 10:29 drojf the voting period is one week 10:29 cait #info Voting for the bids is going to start today, the voting period is a week. 10:30 drojf to show you what i mean… 10:30 thd drojf: If using a radio button, it should be blank by default. 10:30 magnuse i'd say keep it simple: a or b, no second alternative 10:30 drojf option 1 http://abunchofthings.net/limesurvey/index.php/614551?lang=en 10:30 drojf option 2 http://abunchofthings.net/limesurvey/index.php/177931?lang=en 10:31 drojf thd: it's blank and the order is randomized 10:31 cait thd: it is 10:31 ashimema the second page is an error for me./ 10:32 drojf oh? what kind of error? 10:32 cait permission setting i think 10:32 schnydszch2 For me as well 10:32 drojf oh sorry. wait :) 10:32 ashimema yup.. permission error 10:32 cait We are sorry but you don't have permissions to do this. 10:32 schnydszch2 Could be because i tested it? 10:33 magnuse 1st one works for me, not second. first time visitor. 10:34 drojf does that work http://abunchofthings.net/limesurvey/index.php/393475 10:34 BobB schnydszch2 and magnuse believe in the maxim 'Vote early and vote often!' :) 10:34 drojf it lacks the "not the real deal" warning now 10:34 schnydszch2 Second one works 10:34 drojf but it is not, don'tpass it around ;) 10:35 ashimema yup.. 10:35 drojf like magnuse, i would say for the two options the simple one is enough 10:35 drojf but i am open for opinions 10:36 ashimema I tihnk we'd need to clearly state how the votes count if we wen't for the latter. 10:36 ashimema before putting it up 10:36 drojf ashimema: yes, we would have to decide that now 10:36 cait rangi told me he preferred the ranking method 10:36 ashimema so yeah.. I agree.. go for the former ;) 10:36 drojf and put it in 10:36 thd #me hates drag and drop metaphor but likes ranked voting principle. 10:36 ikourmou yes, the first one (with the radiobuttons) is straightforward 10:36 cait a problem we had in the past is that it was not clear to everyone that you could rank only one option instead of all options 10:36 ashimema are there some ranking systems fro exactly this out there 10:36 drojf in case we had more proposals, ranking would definitely be interesting 10:37 cait so there is some possible fuzziness there 10:38 schnydszch2 I think first one will work because we only have two 10:38 drojf do you waynt to vote on the way we vote? ;) 10:38 cait heh 10:38 ashimema I sorta like the ranking.. 10:38 drojf so far i think the simple option is preferred 10:38 ashimema as it takes account of the 'I can't make it to x, but would attend y' 10:38 drojf my proposal for the ranking would be 2 points for first, 1 for second, 0 if not chosen 10:39 drojf there are probably a lot of schemes aqnd calculations about such things out there that i don't know about ;) 10:39 schnydszch2 If one is chosen since there are only two so the ranking will be 2 points for the one chosen and one point for the pther 10:39 cait and if you only chose one option 2 points total? 10:39 ashimema if you do rank and you allow for a no vote.. 10:40 ashimema then you have 4 options.. 10:40 drojf atm you have to choose 1 or 2 options 10:40 ashimema a + b, b + a, a, b 10:40 drojf that can be set 10:40 thd In the past we would have a vote and examined the result under various schemes for interpreting ranking. 10:40 cait i think we should be clear now 10:40 drojf thd: have the results first and then choose the interpretation? 10:40 cait before the vote starts 10:40 drojf that sounds… odd :) 10:41 ashimema I'd almost say.. for the 'can't go there' it needs to almost be a negative vote 10:41 thd drojf: Yes it was odd, however, ... 10:41 drojf ashimema: let#s not complicate things :P 10:41 ashimema if it's not.. and you just auto asign a second choice your in fact counting it against those who cannot attend a particular destination 10:42 thd the choice of scheme to interpret the results would not have changed the result in our actual experience. 10:42 drojf thd: that is true. the choice of voting style won't do that this time either 10:43 drojf people from greece will vote only greece, people from the philippines will only vote philippines. and some devs will ranks because the company pays travel expenses 10:43 drojf *rank 10:43 cait not sure if you can say that 10:43 ashimema lol 10:43 cait if people misunderstand the form, they also might rank 2 because they think they have to 10:43 drojf disclaimer: just my gut feeling, not an official announcement :) 10:43 ashimema yup 10:44 drojf yes, that was leading to trouble before 10:44 cait i am fine with either opton 10:44 cait but it's like to have a clear scheme for the ranking and a good clear note on the page 10:44 magnuse with the ranking you could have A 51% as first, B 49% as first - and then B might still win if it has a lot more 2nd places than A 10:44 magnuse so do we vote on the voting? 10:44 drojf magnuse: in theory, yes. depending in how that is counted 10:44 thd On one occasion at least, the preference order for some later ranked choices would have been different with different interpretation schemes. 10:45 drojf i'm fine with both options, as long as we agree on the interpretation upfront 10:45 drojf so we can say, if you rank, that means exactly this and that 10:46 BobB i like the simple option, but cait has to decide if this is going to a vote 10:46 ashimema agreed 10:46 drojf it has to be clear what is going on, no fuzzy interpretation afterwards 10:46 cait BobB: no problem with a vote to vote... 10:47 cait but i think it would be good to know how the secnd opton works :) 10:47 cait shall i start a vote? 10:47 BobB yup 10:47 drojf do you want to decide that before voting? 10:47 thd I like the drojf's simple 2, 1, 0 count on this occasion for interpreting ranking. 10:47 drojf we could vote on the vote count before we vote on the vote :P 10:47 ashimema if it's 2,1,0.. does a 0 vote pair with a 1.. or a 2 10:48 BobB i think if there is a majority for ranking, then spend time working out the schema ... 10:48 drojf ashimema: i don't understand the question :) 10:48 cait #startvote Should we be using the radiobutton or the ranking method for voting? (radio,ranking) 10:48 huginn Begin voting on: Should we be using the radiobutton or the ranking method for voting? Valid vote options are , radio, ranking, . 10:48 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 10:48 drojf BobB: +1 10:48 thd Ultimately, I prefer a score voting but scheme, but that is a different discussion for a different poll. 10:49 cait noone? 10:49 wahanui noone is, like, here 10:49 ashimema a + b = 2 + 1 10:49 ashimema a only = 2 + 0 OR 1 + 0 10:49 drojf i abstain and follow orders then ;) 10:49 thd #vote ranking 10:49 ikourmou #vote radio 10:49 cait #vote radio 10:49 BobB #vote radio 10:49 ashimema #vote radio 10:49 cait i think radio vote doesn't mean you can't go to your second favourite choice if you want to :) 10:50 ashimema ranking is too hard with just this meeting to work it out ;) 10:50 drojf you all should go to kohacon 2016, regardless of the location and your vote ;) 10:50 ashimema that entirely depends on your employer in many cases I would imagine 10:50 cait i will certainly try :) 10:51 cait schnydszch: ? 10:51 drojf ashimema: true. but your vote for a should not keep you away from going to b :) 10:51 ashimema greece.. we could send a party of people.. phillapines we'll be lucky to afford to send one. 10:51 BobB droif airfares make a huge diff for us: one location, we send one delegate, the other location we can send three :) 10:51 BobB ashimema: snap 10:51 thd ashimema: The "too hard" aspect is partly why we had not specified a specific interpretation scheme in the past. 10:51 ashimema lol 10:51 drojf everyone voted i think? 10:52 cait i was hoping schnydszch 10:52 ashimema I'd go for ranking every time if we had a scheme agreed upon ;) 10:52 magnuse #vote radio 10:52 cait as they are bidding 10:52 cait but we might have lost him 10:52 * ashimema hates the first past the post method in politics too) 10:52 thd ashimema++ 10:53 cait schnydszch2: back? 10:53 wahanui and forth. 10:53 cait the vote is still open 10:53 drojf ashimema: we still could ;) 10:53 schnydszch2 Sorry got cut what's to vote on? 10:53 cait ould we be using the radiobutton or the ranking method for voting? Valid vote options are , radio, ranking, . 10:54 cait should we be using... 10:54 schnydszch2 #vote eadio 10:54 huginn schnydszch2: eadio is not a valid option. Valid options are , radio, ranking, . 10:54 schnydszch2 #vote radio 10:54 cait #endvote 10:54 huginn Voted on "Should we be using the radiobutton or the ranking method for voting?" Results are 10:54 huginn ranking (1): thd 10:54 huginn radio (6): magnuse, cait, schnydszch2, ashimema, BobB, ikourmou 10:54 cait hm ok 10:54 ashimema is there a second half to this meeting? 10:55 cait #agreed 2 Radiobuttons, randomized order and no preselection will be used for the vote 10:55 cait ashimema: not this time around 10:55 ashimema I reckon rangi etc would vote the other way ;) 10:55 drojf ok that seems clear. and both bidders voted for radio too, so they won't be unhappy with it 10:55 cait yeah 10:55 ashimema yup.. 10:55 cait yeah i think it's good that we got the representatives here 10:55 * ashimema suggests we work uot the scheme nice and early for the next vote ;) 10:55 cait :) thx for attending ikourmou and schnydszch! 10:55 drojf ashimema: put it on the agenda for next time 10:56 schnydszch2 You're welcome! 10:56 ikourmou thank you! 10:56 drojf ok i will set that up now while you continue. i will send out an email to the list with the url soon 10:56 cait ok, if you are done before, maybe can paste here too i am moving on 10:56 drojf so you can inform everyone interested 10:56 drojf yes 10:56 cait #info Support vendor listing on the website 10:56 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Paid_support_providers_list_RFC 10:57 cait there are no proposals added to the wiki page 10:57 BobB #topic cait 10:57 cait oh 10:57 cait thx 10:57 cait #topic Support vendor listing on the website 10:57 cait sorry for messing up the minutes 10:57 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Paid_support_providers_list_RFC 10:57 BobB thx for chairing! 10:57 cait wizzyrea has added a lot of the requests by now 10:57 thd ashimema: A problem with vote interpretation schemes is a lack of consensus amongst experts in voting theory on what the one true mathematically fair voting system would be. 10:57 cait so i think the state of the website directory is currently up to date 10:58 cait are there volunteers I could #action that want to follow up on the discussion? 10:59 ashimema . 11:00 cait if not 11:01 cait i'd like to remove this from the agenda for now 11:01 ashimema k 11:01 BobB yes 11:01 cait #info the discussion fo the suport provider list is going to be removed from the agenda for now 11:02 cait #topic Actions from last meeting 11:02 cait drojf send out an email - all done 11:02 cait #action drojf is going ot send out an email with the URL vor voting after this meeting 11:02 cait #topic Next meeting 11:03 BobB #action BobB will follow up with bag re fundraising 11:03 cait thx BobB 11:03 cait Suggestion: October 7 11:04 cait 20 UTC? 11:04 BobB just a mo' 11:05 BobB hmm 7am, ok 11:05 thd I like that suggestion, as it avoids a potential conflict as I conclude work protecting a friend from eviction. 11:05 cait ok? 11:05 cait not gong to start another vote :) 11:05 ashimema :) 11:05 magnuse +1 11:06 thd +1 11:06 cait #info Next meeting is going to be October 7, 20 UTC 11:06 cait thx everyone for attending! 11:06 cait #endmeeting 11:06 huginn Meeting ended Wed Sep 9 11:06:18 2015 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 11:06 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_9_september_2015.2015-09-09-10.04.html 11:06 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_9_september_2015.2015-09-09-10.04.txt 11:06 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/general_irc_meeting_9_september_2015.2015-09-09-10.04.log.html 11:06 BobB thank you cait 11:07 thd cait: Is it common to refer to things by week number for you? 11:07 cait yes 11:08 magnuse here too :-) 11:08 cait like when you try to sort out a meeting time... week 42 doesn#t work for me 11:08 cait it's printed on my calendar... so it's easy :) 11:08 magnuse and missing from google calendar - not so easy 11:08 cait ah 11:09 cait another reason not to use google calendar :) 11:09 drojf ok i started the vote. the url is http://abunchofthings.net/limesurvey/index.php/639452?lang=en 11:09 thd cait: Are calendars usually shown with week numbers in Germany and Norway? 11:09 magnuse does anyone know if the plack scripts tcohen has added play well with gitified? 11:09 drojf end time 16 september, 12 utc? 11:09 magnuse thd: yes, at least in norway 11:09 cait i just checked. apparently outlook doesn't, but i think all the printed one do 11:10 cait hm if you send it now... is that our time now? 11:10 magnuse cait, thd: http://ukenr.no/ 11:10 drojf it is 11:10 utc 11:10 cait sounds good 11:11 drojf ok then i'll write an email 11:11 * magnuse voted 11:12 * cait too 11:12 thd cait, magnuse: Do you know of any free software calendar systems which incorporate week number? 11:13 thd #me suspects that week number is not part of any of the calendar data exchange protocols. 11:14 magnuse thd: nope, i have not looked at a lot of those 11:16 thd I have looked at free software calendar systems in the past and never noticed week numbers a feature. However, I did not know to try to look for week numbers. 11:16 magnuse http://www.daimto.com/how-to-add-week-numbers-to-your-google-calendar/ :-) 11:21 thd magnuse: The model of week numbers used in the link you provided for Google Calendar has no consequences for data exchange, therefore, it should not be difficult to add such a feature to most any free software calendar system. 11:22 drojf email sent 11:23 thd cait, magnuse: Thanks greatly for broadening my cultural understanding about something I had overlooked. 11:23 magnuse drojf++ 11:23 magnuse thd: hehe, no problem 11:24 thd #ME goes back to sleep :) 11:26 * thd goes back to sleep :) 11:27 magnuse huh, eythian? 11:27 wahanui i think eythian is a kiwi smartass, or so pianohacker says. 11:40 cait ah sorry, i was away for espresso 11:41 nengard morning all 11:50 magnuse kia ora nengard 11:50 nengard ") 11:50 nengard or 11:50 nengard :) 11:50 nengard hehe 12:02 cait nengard: vote! :) 12:02 cait (13:09:14) drojf: ok i started the vote. the url is http://abunchofthings.net/limesurvey/index.php/639452?lang=en 12:12 nengard will do cait 12:14 drojf imagine i'd put general discussion of a voting scheme on the agenda for next meeting… would anyone actually think about the topic or do research and prepare something? 12:15 nengard cait done and shared 12:17 cait nengard: thx! 12:17 cait nengard: the timeframe is only a week, so need to get it out soon and far 12:17 nengard eeek 12:17 nengard okay 12:19 mveron hi #koha 12:20 cait mveron: vote! hehe http://abunchofthings.net/limesurvey/index.php/639452 12:21 mveron cait: Already done :-) 12:36 tcohen morning 12:39 magnuse kia ora tcohen 12:41 cait morning tcohen :) 12:41 cait vote! http://abunchofthings.net/limesurvey/index.php/639452 :) 12:41 druthb beware of cait; she's hustling the vote today. :) 12:42 cait hustling? 12:42 druthb poking people to get out the vote. 12:43 cait ah 12:43 cait yeah :) 12:56 drojf meh typo 12:56 drojf not sending another mail 13:00 mario morning 13:01 cait morning :) vote! http://abunchofthings.net/limesurvey/index.php/639452 13:04 nengard ha cait 13:04 nengard is that an automatic reply? 13:04 drojf lol 13:04 nengard retweet and share on facebook too :) 13:04 nengard https://twitter.com/kohails/status/641585324725018625 13:05 cait :) 13:05 * druthb wonders if cait has been replaced by wahanui in a disguise. 13:17 cait :P 13:17 nengard actually we should change the response to 'hi' or 'hello' to be 'vote; 13:22 magnuse can someone change the topic of the #koha channel? 13:25 cait have to run bye all! 13:25 nengard magnuse I'm not sure how to do that 13:25 nengard Is it just #topic 13:37 magnuse nengard: i have no idea... 13:37 magnuse gotta run! 13:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:51 mtompset @seen magnuse 13:51 huginn mtompset: magnuse was last seen in #koha 14 minutes and 16 seconds ago: <magnuse> gotta run! 13:51 drojf hi mtompset 13:51 tcohen hi 13:51 drojf hi tcohen 13:51 mtompset drojf: Like my amending comment on the Wiki? ;) 13:51 drojf mtompset: indeed :D 13:58 mtompset I'll roll it back now. :) 13:58 drojf so it's not real? :P 14:00 * mtompset gives drojf the evil eye. 14:04 drojf heh kidding. nice to hear it's sorted out with the national library 14:09 mtompset And even if it wasn't (I know nothing, I am speaking hypothetically), it would still be held in Manila somewhere. 14:14 drojf but it wouldn't be very nice to say it's sorted out if it wasn't (speaking hypothetically) 14:17 mtompset No it wouldn't. 14:34 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 14:34 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 17.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on September 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 14:38 misilot quick question, is there a list of compatible label printers on the wiki or in the documentation somewhere? I have done a quick search and couldn't find anything 14:40 nengard not that i know of 14:41 misilot thanks nengard 15:38 nitz0 hi ppl... 15:49 nengard hello 16:03 pianohacker HI nengard 16:04 nengard hi 16:11 reiveune bye 16:43 gaetan_B bye 17:22 magnuse huh, i was sure bug 5020 was the big https bug... 17:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5020 trivial, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, on patron record sex should be gender 17:25 mtompset 5010 17:25 mtompset bug 5010 17:25 wahanui i heard bug 5010 was scary 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Fix OPACBaseURL to include protocol 17:26 pianohacker the final decision on that was to include the protocol, correct? 17:26 mtompset Yes. 17:26 mtompset because a whole bunch of 'http://' . $OPACBaseURL; is dumb. 17:26 mtompset and it prevents https. 17:27 mtompset (or gopher! BRING IT BACK!) 17:27 magnuse thanks, mtompset 17:27 magnuse i was only off by ten then :-) 17:27 magnuse yeah, we want gopher! 17:27 mtompset Someone suggested we do the same for the staff client. 17:27 mtompset I have yet to have the time to do so. 17:28 pianohacker rtsp://opac.koha.org/ 17:28 mtompset Why not? :) 17:29 pianohacker *sigh* it's sad that the biggest obstacle to that is domain ownership instead of inherent lunacy 17:33 mtompset Oh. I was thinking you were just putting filler, not an actually attempt at something that could be real. 17:36 pianohacker heh. mix o' both :) 19:35 magnuse have fun #koha 19:37 cait @later tell wizzyrea can we put the vote on the kc website? 19:37 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 20:06 tcohen hi 20:07 * cait grumps about the post losing half of a package she sent a friend :( 20:08 pianohacker cait: half? 20:09 cait 2 space invader shaped erasers i sent a friend 20:09 cait one made it... the other not 20:14 tcohen half??? 20:15 cait yeah, the envelope got teared and one of the space invaders fell out :( 20:15 * cait is quite grumpy about that 20:15 wnickc or, he escaped to plot his invasion. So...watch out 20:15 cait yeah... i hope he creates chaos at some post sorting center 20:17 tcohen maybe it blocked some important machine gears and it caused massive destruction on the post office 20:18 cait it's mean to think that right... 20:18 cait but it would be very space invaderish 20:21 cait :) 20:21 tcohen heh 20:30 tcohen i have 37 configured Koha instances sharing with HEA 20:30 tcohen but the site only mentions 24 in Argentina :-/ 20:31 cait hm 20:31 tcohen ah, i run the script again and now it worked 21:19 tcohen dcook: what is the status of your koha-oai-client patches? 21:45 pianohacker purely for another set of eyes, does anyone know why lines 88-97 of C4/Members/Attributes.pm aren't just push @results, $row? 21:45 cait can you paste a link? 21:45 * cait is too tired to ask git 21:47 pianohacker cait: https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/blob/master/C4/Members/Attributes.pm#L88 21:47 pianohacker it's been that way since the beginning of that module 21:49 cait you should ask someone else 21:49 pianohacker gmcharlt? 21:49 wahanui i guess gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. 21:50 pianohacker he, jmf and atz are the only ones to touch it back then :) 21:50 tcohen pianohacker: I think it is in line with the practice of making the fields retrieval explicit 21:50 tcohen we try to avoid SELECT * 21:50 pianohacker tcohen: true, but the explicit field retrieval is done in the select just above 21:51 tcohen pianohacker: yes, and the JOIN 21:51 pianohacker I'm about to add another field to that sub, and wondered why that code was there 21:51 pianohacker the explicit select is good, but I _think_ the code I linked to is pointless 21:52 cait tcohen: from line 88 21:52 cait maybe ensuring the sequence is not changed? by adding fields in between? 21:52 gmcharlt pianohacker: there's aliassing going on 21:52 gmcharlt value_description => $row->{'lib'}, 21:52 gmcharlt e.g. 21:52 pianohacker gmcharlt: Ah! There's the rub. That's why I asked, thanks 21:52 gmcharlt not ath one couldn't do in the aliasing in the SQL statement, I suppose 21:52 gmcharlt *not that 21:53 cait forget what i said 21:53 pianohacker gmcharlt: I'm tempted to change it to do it with AS and change that to push @results, $row. Any reason I shouldn't? 21:54 pianohacker fairly innocuous refactor to sneak in with my patch :) 21:58 tcohen pianohacker: if i were to touch that code in a serious way, I'd rather use DBIx if that was possible 21:58 tcohen but yeah, probably a major refactoring 21:59 pianohacker tcohen: yeah 21:59 pianohacker I'd figure a good time for that would be when we move patron attributes to Koha::AdditionalField (if that happens) 22:02 tcohen pianohacker: bug 10855? 22:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10855 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Additional fields for subscriptions 22:02 pianohacker tcohen: yar 22:03 tcohen what do u think of that feature? 22:03 pianohacker we have a project on the queue to extend that to acquisitions baskets and funds 22:03 nitz0 bye 22:04 pianohacker tcohen: I think it's decent, a little quirky but good 22:04 pianohacker you? 22:04 cait pianohacker: i think there might be a patch for orders already floating around 22:04 cait and subscriptions of course 22:04 tcohen more quirky than good, pero we can make it more useful 22:05 tcohen i mean, it is good enough for pushing, but needs some polishing 22:05 cait hm should have waited to put my glasses down :) 22:05 tcohen i expect to push it soon 22:05 pianohacker cait: ohhhh? 22:06 tcohen cait? 22:06 wahanui somebody said cait was regretting a bit that we didn't offer this as an option first... or on a test system for people to see 22:06 tcohen cait? 22:06 wahanui somebody said cait was looking for someone to qa the sip patches 22:06 * pianohacker looks at cait expectantly 22:06 cait bug 11844 22:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11844 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Additional fields for order lines 22:06 tcohen cait? 22:06 wahanui cait is working on a patch to make it possible to set the date individually - first step 22:07 pianohacker cait? 22:07 wahanui i think cait is too lazy to alk over to you ;) 22:07 pianohacker hehehe 22:07 cait huh 22:07 cait where did he pick all that up 22:07 cait cait? 22:07 wahanui you are working on a patch to make it possible to set the date individually - first step 22:07 cait forget cait 22:07 wahanui cait: I forgot cait 22:07 cait there. 22:07 pianohacker cait: yeah; we want to extend that to other parts of acquisitions 22:07 pianohacker cait? 22:07 pianohacker noooo 22:07 cait i don't even remember which patch that was 22:07 pianohacker pianohacker? 22:07 wahanui I HATE ALMOST EVERYTHING 22:07 pianohacker pianohacker? 22:07 wahanui I HATE ALMOST EVERYTHING 22:07 pianohacker aw 22:08 cait pianohacker? 22:08 pianohacker mean ol' eythian 22:08 wahanui I HATE ALMOST EVERYTHING 22:08 tcohen wahanui: cait is cait, go to bed 22:08 wahanui OK, tcohen. 22:08 cait cait? 22:08 wahanui you are, like, cait, go to bed 22:08 cait cait? 22:08 wahanui somebody said cait was cait, go to bed 22:08 pianohacker hehehe 22:08 cait forget cait 22:08 wahanui cait: I forgot cait 22:08 cait cais is <reply>cait, go to bed 22:08 cait cait? 22:08 cait cais? 22:08 wahanui cait, go to bed 22:08 cait hmpf 22:08 tcohen hehe :-D 22:08 cait now you know how it works... you can teach him 22:08 cait and i go to sleep :) 22:08 tcohen muahhahaha 22:09 cait bye all :) 23:09 Francesca hello #koha 23:48 pianohacker @later tell tcohen The last time I was working on something that used DBIC and added new tables, I had to run the schema loader but not submit any of the results with the bug. Is that still true? 23:48 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.