Time  Nick        Message
22:39 bag         ok I’m back to cleaning the garage :)   once Ginny is awake we’re going for a hike w00t w00t
22:38 bag         later ashimema
22:35 rangi       cya ashimema
22:34 ashimema    I'm off.. have a good day peeps
22:33 ashimema    oh well
22:33 ashimema    rangi.. I've got a koha on jessie already.. didn't need that particular trick though..
22:30 rangi       heh you're on
22:29 bag         Hey rangi - my pats are playing your steelers thursday night ;)  we should bet a pint on the game ;)
22:28 bag         amazing day here
22:28 huginn      bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 20.4°C (3:27 PM PDT on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
22:28 bag         @wunder 97215
22:28 cait        rangi: let him go back to bed :)
22:27 rangi       i probably should try to run early copies of ubuntu releases too
22:26 rangi       i run a koha on debian unstable .. helps to bump into these things before they get into stable
22:25 ashimema    thanks guys
22:25 ashimema    just one I hadn't come accross yet..
22:25 ashimema    yeah.. it's a great default..
22:24 rangi       but a warning on upgrade would help
22:24 rangi       its a good default
22:24 ashimema    seems so
22:24 ashimema    did they go and change the bloody defaults behind my back to 'block everything'
22:24 ashimema    but I hadn't added that new one..
22:23 ashimema    I have updated the existing blocks..
22:23 * cait      is jsut the rubber duck :)
22:23 ashimema    that did the trick..
22:23 ashimema    ah.. thanks guys..
22:23 rangi       is what you need ashimema
22:23 rangi       Require all granted
22:23 cait        i gave no guarantees :)
22:22 rangi       yeah that first one is enough
22:21 ashimema    [off] you actually added a further permission there
22:21 ashimema    ooh..
22:20 rangi       that permission denied problem looks like exactly the fix
22:20 cait        my notes predate the correct fix in Koha... so...
22:19 cait        can you get the packages to update them correctly?
22:19 cait        [off]https://librarygeekgirl.ssl-secured-server.de/wiki/doku.php?id=koha:apache2
22:19 rangi       thats probably the cause of the 403
22:19 cait        [off] these are my notes, not sure if helpful...
22:19 ashimema    is that all that's changed though?
22:19 ashimema    yeah..
22:18 rangi       but the rules for access did change between apaches
22:18 ashimema    it was indeed old apache
22:18 cait        if it was old apache before... that could explain maybe?
22:18 rangi       jessie should be fine
22:18 ashimema    I've been trying to work out what's wring with them all evening.
22:17 ashimema    in what sense?
22:17 cait        did you make sure the apache configu files got updated correctly?
22:17 ashimema    not sure how many people out there are running koha on jessie
22:17 ashimema    his server is now at jessie
22:17 ashimema    no idea
22:17 cait        before it got messed up?
22:17 cait        hm was wheezy still the old apache?
22:16 wahanui     ashimema: that doesn't look right
22:16 ashimema    change one line to stable instead of wheezy.. so the system got in a right state at unattended upgrade time.
22:15 ashimema    somebody messed with the apt/sources.list file..
22:15 cait        and it started suddenly?
22:14 ashimema    only koha seems affected though :(
22:14 ashimema    on apache 2.4
22:14 ashimema    403 for everything
22:13 cait        what's the symptom? *volunteers as rubber duck*
22:13 ashimema    and tired :(
22:13 ashimema    I'm stuck
22:13 ashimema    I only have a symptop.. every cause I can think of isn't the cause
22:13 ashimema    problem is..
22:12 cait        so fix the server!
22:11 cait        oh
22:11 ashimema    can't untill I have this server fixed :'(
22:02 cait        go to bed?
22:00 ashimema    mwah
21:19 cait        hola
21:11 bag         hola
20:54 cait        magnuse: around?
20:51 cait        so quiet
19:31 tcohen      bye #koha
18:29 * andreashm waves
17:38 tcohen      magnuse: true
17:38 tcohen      in a community like this, with many people involved... it is important to make things easy for others to test your patches...
17:38 magnuse     i seem to remember somethin about database-changes in a separate patch or something like that?
17:38 tcohen      it is a good common practice
17:38 tcohen      i tried to follow that on my Koha patches, and kohadevbox patches too
17:37 magnuse     one of Viktor's hackers had a question about how to submit a large piece of work, in another channel
17:37 magnuse     thanks, tcohen
17:37 huginn      tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:37 tcohen      @later tell cait http://snag.gy/0AV8v.jpg
17:35 tcohen      why?
17:35 tcohen      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Refactoring_code
17:35 tcohen      the only reference i can think of, is the section that says 'if you want to refactor something (tidy), first fix the problem, then provide a followup for the tidy)
17:34 tcohen      we always say "separate patches for different things" is more readable
17:33 tcohen      usually, but not mandatory, it is not written
17:33 magnuse     is that written down somewhere?
17:32 magnuse     with separate patches for different things
17:32 magnuse     tcohen: you had some preference for how we submit patches
17:20 tcohen      khall_away: why are spaces bad for passwordS?
17:16 huginn      tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:16 tcohen      @later tell marcelr your patch for GetReserveFee broke the tests introduced by bug 14464. Please fix them ASAP
17:15 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14472: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dfde8b85a6eeea4db4f79e35d6540d0bfc9cdf4> / Bug 12357: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0618a9d31a1d98cc115564cb889bee1b958b358> / Bug 12357: Following whitespace failures on koha qa test tools. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc2452df238217efc06182
16:52 tcohen      a week!
16:52 huginn      tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 3 days, 1 hour, 43 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Joubu> Have to run, I will be afk for a week! bye #koha
16:52 tcohen      @seen Joubu
16:50 huginn      tcohen: The operation succeeded.
16:50 tcohen      @later tell eythian could you please provide one more Debian 8 box? The goal is to run MariaDB on it
15:34 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14683: [QA Follow-up] Similar change for staff <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdf4894c507f4bac6b2b79c7ca3b7a556d246ed5> / Bug 14683: [QA Follow-up] Mixup between mobile and smsalertnumber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b8d7168beb27342c4c483a0812e3a6789fabced> / Bug 14683: Unable to clear SMS number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=co
15:32 cait        maybe it always warns... but lets you check out on the self check
15:32 cait        hmm
15:29 andreashm   ah, got to go again (dinner) bbl.
15:29 andreashm   cait: humm, AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout doesn't seem to do anything. still get a checkout message. weird.
15:16 huginn      tcohen: drojf was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <drojf> hi #koha
15:16 tcohen      @seen drojf
15:14 cait        hm no drojf
15:14 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14760: Disabled courses display in the course reserves list for items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=73e9dcb70fcf24dc87af7c5af6f38102206863ae> / Bug 14470: Do not allow renew for on-site checkouts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea92a92f5384c3256de55b770d31342f796edc47> / Bug 14639: (QA followup) make schema mandatory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
15:14 * cait      waves again
15:10 * andreashm waves
15:09 andreashm   hey
15:09 reiveune    bye
15:02 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12525: Prevent adding several patron lists with the same name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f65aaac748833b57f9f1c8ae754d66c7e144d81> / Bug 12525: FIX patron lists dropdown is empty <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2e50e0b06587f45c5370b313ff7a7d7a432bcd5> / Bug 14343: Remove the DT pagination <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdif
14:54 cait        xarragon: glad i coudl be somewhat helpful in my confusion :)
14:32 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14098: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=297479cc9adb74e050fb630c342413f67ca7c5a8>
14:22 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14098: Implement the copy_and_replace action for MTT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f189696bb7bfeeb82e977d3b9a8eff6f24555b55> / Bug 14098: Add copy_and_replace action to MMT <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f74321977c50ef45daa4897933ee0fac378dcb6> / Bug 14098: Remove unedeed subroutines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f37
14:21 tcohen      oops
14:03 xarragon    cait: Yup you were right; jstree is used in the authorities detail view. Thanlks
14:00 xarragon    And jstree: ./jquery/plugins/jquery.jstree.js
13:58 xarragon    Or rather.. The list I might make, but not the framework for editing the contents.
13:58 xarragon    So I can probably wrangle that to do what i need instead of building a complex nested list structure myself
13:58 xarragon    Seems like we have treeview: ./jquery/plugins/jquery.treeview.pack.js
13:53 xarragon    Was off on my system, but it is very bare
13:51 wahanui     i guess AuthDisplayHierarchy is on
13:51 cait        AuthDisplayHierarchy
13:51 cait        xarragon: there is a pref related to that... might be easier to spot the code that way
13:50 xarragon    Hmm, well, I will look at the example of the authorities that you mentioned. I just stopped because I was realizing I was probbaly doing the wrong thing.
13:49 cait        if possible... but as i don't get the use case i might talk nosnsense :)
13:49 cait        i think generating html should happen in templates
13:48 xarragon    cait: Ok, will look
13:48 xarragon    So I am not sure if that sort of stuff goes in there..
13:48 xarragon    Well, it is just that I looked inside the Koha subdir and only found some classes for managing items etc, nothing that generates html output..
13:47 cait        if yes... i think we might already use a jquery library for that in the authorities module
13:47 cait        hm a tree that can be collapsed/uncollapsed?
13:47 cait        sorry, you lost me
13:42 xarragon    I need to generate a complete tree from a database table.. I could do it all serverside or dump the list and have JS build it. It is for Intranet only, CMS stuff. If done serverside, should I throw it in a 'Widget' class that renders itself as HTML which I drop into a template.. Or whjat is the recommended approach?
13:41 tcohen      Joubu: could you review my followup for 14639? I tried to make you happy :-D
13:30 tcohen      bye magnuse !
13:28 * magnuse   gotta run
13:27 magnuse     i'll let it sit a day or two to see if anyone has any comments
13:27 magnuse     got it
13:24 tcohen      magnuse: ready :-D
13:13 magnuse     yo! pull request paradise!
13:09 tcohen      magnuse: i will squash a couple commits and send the pull request. thanks!
13:06 tcohen      magnuse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGbzYlnz7c
13:06 * cait      waves
13:06 magnuse     tcohen: sure
12:59 tcohen      maybe we can start by creating a branch
12:59 tcohen      magnuse: would you accept a pull request? :-D
12:59 magnuse     kia ora tcohen
12:48 tcohen      hi magnuse
12:47 tcohen      morning!
12:19 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14698 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , AtomicUpdater - Keeps track of which updates have been applied to a database
12:19 kivilahtio_ khall_away: Can you skim Bug 14698? See the help of atomicupdate.pl -script? max 10 minutes
11:45 andreashm_  bye
11:45 andreashm_  byr
11:45 andreashm_  guess I'll be back later. =)
11:45 andreashm_  and now Annabelle is screaming at me to put the computer down. (at home today)
11:45 andreashm_  damn, got logged out.
11:44 cait        it can only be patron homebranch or item homebranch... and maybe would be easy to enh if necessary
11:43 cait        i am not sure what it preselects - but worth a try
11:43 cait        so the users can't choose where to pick up an item from
11:43 cait        also OPACAllowUserToChooseBranch
11:42 cait        so shoudl allow checkout
11:42 cait        it says if the user has it in his hand.. that's prio
11:42 cait        it coudl remove the warning
11:42 andreashm   I'll look at that one
11:41 andreashm   so pick-up library should always be the same as the issuing branch
11:41 cait        maybe try AlowItemsOnHoldCheckout
11:41 andreashm   We would like books to be sent back or returned to another library. but not sent out for holds.
11:40 andreashm   we could be doing it totally wrong though. =)
11:40 cait        are you sending items between branches?
11:40 andreashm   =)
11:40 andreashm   at least the way we have it set up now
11:40 cait        let me think :)
11:40 andreashm   'it does
11:40 andreashm   I know we can override, but its clunky (and might cause problems with the self checkout machines I imagine)
11:39 cait        hm it shouldn't
11:39 andreashm   A connected problem is that if an item is loaned out on one branch, and a hold is placed, Koha will block checkouts on the same book on another branch.
11:39 cait        can you phrase an example how you would want it to work?
11:38 cait        we ony have one library that send items between branches
11:38 cait        hm khall_away would be good for holds quesions
11:38 andreashm   a little, not much
11:38 andreashm   I would want "next available" to be limited per branch. (or preferably location, but that I know isn't in Koha)
11:38 cait        a look
11:38 cait        have you takean a lot at the branch transfer limits?
11:37 andreashm   and I haven't found a way to limit holds to a branch without it being for a patron of a specific branch. but that causes a lot of other problems
11:37 cait        how would you expect the 'next available' to work?
11:37 cait        hm
11:36 andreashm   yes, but if one item type is for 7 day loan and one is 30 it would be good if they weren't connected, but they are.
11:36 cait        I'd do some experimenting with the conditions between branches
11:36 cait        if you don't alloow holds on damaged...
11:36 cait        so for example if the itemtype is not holdable - it won't ever trigger a hold
11:36 andreashm   um, yes.
11:36 cait        does that make sense?
11:35 cait        the hold will exist until an item is returned or checked in that CAN fill it
11:35 cait        so if the rules there forbid it, the return won't trigger the hold
11:35 cait        when an item is returned, koha checks the circulation conditions - if the hold can fill the hold
11:35 cait        the hold is entered without an item number
11:35 cait        hm not quite
11:34 andreashm   (for "next available copy")
11:34 andreashm   is it correct that all items on a bib will be placed on hold, no matter branch or item type?
11:33 * andreashm is concerned about how Koha handles holds
11:33 * cait      waves
11:33 * andreashm waves
11:28 magnuse     in here, i meant
11:24 cait        can't say so
11:24 magnuse     *day
11:24 magnuse     wow, quiet dat
11:21 kivilahtio_ hi drojf!
11:09 drojf       hi #koha
09:53 huginn      cait: The operation succeeded.
09:53 cait        @later tell drojf ping
08:18 huginn      kivilahtio_: The operation succeeded.
08:18 kivilahtio_ @later tell tcohen But I really tried to see the thing from another point of view.
08:07 huginn      kivilahtio_: The operation succeeded.
08:07 kivilahtio_ @later tell tcohen I thought I had slides for both approaches? I would like to receive Joubu's feedback about it
08:07 magnuse     ncip! ncip! ncip!
07:35 huginn      Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:35 Francesca   @wunder wlg
07:15 wahanui     bonjour, gaetan_B
07:15 gaetan_B    hello
06:39 alex_a      bonjour
06:30 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 15.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
06:30 magnuse     @wunder marseille
06:30 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 07, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
06:30 magnuse     @wunder boo
06:28 wahanui     kia ora, reiveune
06:28 reiveune    hello
06:21 magnuse     kia ora Francesca
05:50 Francesca   sup
05:44 * magnuse   waves
05:23 * andreashm waves
05:22 andreashm   morning
03:45 Francesca   hello!